TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

Don't seem like it did but I keep hearing that whenever Aretha sung in church, C.L. was jealous because Aretha sounded like her mother. Also Rev. Franklin was on some Rev. Marvin Gay, Sr./Bill Wyman type shit with some female members of his congregation. One of his illegitimate daughters was with a teenage congregation member. Rev. Franklin was a man whore. I'm thinking for you to run off and leave your children behind, it was more to it than philandering. I think Barbara was also physically abused and told to be put in her place. Apparently C.L. never married again after Barbara left him. He didn't even attend her funeral.

What you talkin' about hell C.L. made a pass at all the women and lil' girls his congregation, my understanding is many a gun and knife was pulled on that fool. It's a by the grace of something some didn't shoot or stab him. C.L. was notorious, my grandmother said, when he came to town he'd scope the congregation like rock musicians scope for women in the audience. Does anyone have a copy of American Masters, they speak of Barbara a lil'. Again trying to be balanced the reason given for C.L. taking those kids was he could provide for them. If I recall when Aretha/siblings visted Buffalo NY though she stayed with her maternal grandmother, her mother appeared in and out. Mostly out.... during her brief life.

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That's the truth! My favorite aunt who was on the gospel circuit in the mid-50s had a fling with Rev. Franklin,

^ I heard most popular gospel acts were doing the same thing blues and rock acts would do. Yeah they might've been singing about The Good Word but they had women (and even young girls) chasing them. Sam Cooke had to deal with several paternity lawsuits from women he bedded when he was with the Highway QC's and the Soul Stirrers.

Marvin used to talk about when he was little and his father took him with him to gospel concerts in what they called the inteniary circuit, he saw several gospel stars get high, buzzed on booze and fool around on their wives with other women. The same gospel acts going "praise the Lord" onstage were the same who would "sin" when the concerts were over.

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^N that shit is still going on today. DL BS.

lazycrockett said:

^N that shit is still going on today. DL BS.

It was always like that. Never changed. That's why whenever a gospel musician talks about being saved and righteous, I have to laugh...

Timmy84 said:

lazycrockett said:

^N that shit is still going on today. DL BS.

It was always like that. Never changed. That's why whenever a gospel musician talks about being saved and righteous, I have to laugh...

My mother said the first time she ever had a beer, she was 13; a deacon bought one for her and her sister. She said, silly us we were drinking it through a straw.

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

It was always like that. Never changed. That's why whenever a gospel musician talks about being saved and righteous, I have to laugh...

My mother said the first time she ever had a beer, she was 13; a deacon bought one for her and her sister. She said, silly us we were drinking it through a straw.

I heard someone say church is an excuse to wean themselves from the drugs, alcohol and sex they had consumed the night before to "save themselves for the Lord" knowing they'll be covered for the other six days.

Timmy84 said:

^ I heard most popular gospel acts were doing the same thing blues and rock acts would do. Yeah they might've been singing about The Good Word but they had women (and even young girls) chasing them. Sam Cooke had to deal with several paternity lawsuits from women he bedded when he was with the Highway QC's and the Soul Stirrers.

Marvin used to talk about when he was little and his father took him with him to gospel concerts in what they called the inteniary circuit, he saw several gospel stars get high, buzzed on booze and fool around on their wives with other women. The same gospel acts going "praise the Lord" onstage were the same who would "sin" when the concerts were over.

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Hell yeah! They were doing it up just as much as the secular artist! They all use to hang. My aunt had a photo book with all of the people on that circuit. She use to cook for Sam Cook & do his hair, Couldn't stand Billie Holiday's smoking, dated CL Franklin & Lou Rawls and I just found out one of her daughter's my cousin's father is one of the Blind boys of Mississippi. She got around but she was a cool lady, I miss her...she had the best stories. I wish I had foresight enough to record her memoirs before she past.

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Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

My mother said the first time she ever had a beer, she was 13; a deacon bought one for her and her sister. She said, silly us we were drinking it through a straw.

I heard someone say church is an excuse to wean themselves from the drugs, alcohol and sex they had consumed the night before to "save themselves for the Lord" knowing they'll be covered for the other six days.

My mother's family or I should my grandmother church was Satified... which they now call Charismatics. (Yes, I left a s out because Black people don't use it anyways) I attended that church a young girl, the mess that when on made the soaps look like "Mary Freakin' Poppins". Good sangin' tho.

Ms Trina, is that like Pentecostal?

N Thats why this shit pisses me off.

http://www.npr.org/2012/0...k-churches

sorry dont mean to jack the thread. but just

steelyd said:

Timmy84 said:

^ I heard most popular gospel acts were doing the same thing blues and rock acts would do. Yeah they might've been singing about The Good Word but they had women (and even young girls) chasing them. Sam Cooke had to deal with several paternity lawsuits from women he bedded when he was with the Highway QC's and the Soul Stirrers.

Marvin used to talk about when he was little and his father took him with him to gospel concerts in what they called the inteniary circuit, he saw several gospel stars get high, buzzed on booze and fool around on their wives with other women. The same gospel acts going "praise the Lord" onstage were the same who would "sin" when the concerts were over.

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Hell yeah! They were doing it up just as much as the secular artist! They all use to hang. My aunt had a photo book with all of the people on that circuit. She use to cook for Sam Cook & do his hair, Couldn't stand Billie Holiday's smoking, dated CL Franklin & Lou Rawls and I just found out one of her daughter's my cousin's father is one of the Blind boys of Mississippi. She got around but she was a cool lady, I miss her...she had the best stories. I wish I had foresight enough to record her memoirs before she past.

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Yeah gospel artists were and are much like rock/R&B artists lol

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

I heard someone say church is an excuse to wean themselves from the drugs, alcohol and sex they had consumed the night before to "save themselves for the Lord" knowing they'll be covered for the other six days.

My mother's family or I should my grandmother church was Satified... which they now call Charismatics. (Yes, I left a s out because Black people don't use it anyways) I attended that church a young girl, the mess that when on made the soaps look like "Mary Freakin' Poppins". Good sangin' tho.

I can imagine...

Timmy84 said:

steelyd said:

Hell yeah! They were doing it up just as much as the secular artist! They all use to hang. My aunt had a photo book with all of the people on that circuit. She use to cook for Sam Cook & do his hair, Couldn't stand Billie Holiday's smoking, dated CL Franklin & Lou Rawls and I just found out one of her daughter's my cousin's father is one of the Blind boys of Mississippi. She got around but she was a cool lady, I miss her...she had the best stories. I wish I had foresight enough to record her memoirs before she past.

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Yeah gospel artists were and are much like rock/R&B artists lol

yeah, but today, I think they are worse, because of all the closet cases. There are great singers in gospel music, I don't have any respect for genre because of the hipocracy. Oh well, folks gotta believe in something... I guess.

scriptgirl said:

Ms Trina, is that like Pentecostal?

Yep. God forgive me but Pentecostal church is all the way live. My goodness as Timmy mentioned...., you had to stay high or drunk during the weekday. Every Sunday they preached to you HELL anyways. My mother told me as a young girl she was scared stupid because they kinda left out if you asked for God forgiveness, you sins would be forgiven. Any mistake any slip up whatever you're going straight to hell, don't pass go.

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steelyd said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah gospel artists were and are much like rock/R&B artists lol

yeah, but today, I think they are worse, because of all the closet cases. There are great singers in gospel music, I don't have any respect for genre because of the hipocracy. Oh well, folks gotta believe in something... I guess.

True.

TD3 said:

scriptgirl said:

Ms Trina, is that like Pentecostal?

Yep. God forgive me but Pentecostal church is all the way live. My goodness as Timmy mentioned...., you had to stay high or drunk during the weekday. Every Sunday they preached to you HELL anyways. My mother told me as a young girl she was scared stupid because they kinda left out if you asked for God forgiveness, you sins would be forgiven. Any mistake any slip up whatever you're going straight to hell, don't pass go.

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You ever notice how most black churches skip that part about forgiveness? Especially the olden churches when both my gramps used to be preachers (my paternal grandpa was a Bishop too...ooh wee lol).

Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

Yep. God forgive me but Pentecostal church is all the way live. My goodness as Timmy mentioned...., you had to stay high or drunk during the weekday. Every Sunday they preached to you HELL anyways. My mother told me as a young girl she was scared stupid because they kinda left out if you asked for God forgiveness, your sins would be forgiven. Any mistake any slip up whatever, you're going straight to hell don't pass go.

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You ever notice how most black churches skip that part about forgiveness? Especially the olden churches when both my gramps used to be preachers (my paternal grandpa was a Bishop too...ooh wee lol).

Maybe Black churches had the abbreviated, "CliffsNotes" edition of King James Bible. They didn't have time to talk about forgiveness, they just need to tell ya over and over again your are sinning!

LOL

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

You ever notice how most black churches skip that part about forgiveness? Especially the olden churches when both my gramps used to be preachers (my paternal grandpa was a Bishop too...ooh wee lol).

Maybe Black churches had the abbreviated, "CliffsNotes" edition of King James Bible. They didn't have time to talk about forgiveness, they just need to tell ya over and over again your are sinning!

The Old Ass Testament King James Bible at that.

Timmy84 said:

scriptgirl said:

And where all y'all finding out this gossip about C.L.?

Actually I think most of the info is in a book about C.L., I forgot the name of it but they pretty much confirmed what has been posted here. However there is gossip that C.L. possibly molested his daughter and that's how Clarence was born but I don't know how true that is and honestly don't want it to be. Aretha's fucked up.

Now I've always suspected that

And she was only 14, when she had him..

I swear I've learned more shit on this site than I have in a year and half in college.

From Aretha having mommy issues to Quincy Jones tryna butt-fuck Tupac.

Lawd I love it here.

lazycrockett said:

Im going to remember all the orgers throwing shade at Aretha.

HuMpThAnG said:

Timmy84 said:

Actually I think most of the info is in a book about C.L., I forgot the name of it but they pretty much confirmed what has been posted here. However there is gossip that C.L. possibly molested his daughter and that's how Clarence was born but I don't know how true that is and honestly don't want it to be. Aretha's fucked up.

Now I've always suspected that

And she was only 14, when she had him..

It must have being shocking back then having babies at 13 and 15 also unwed

Her preacher father, fathered a child with a 13 year old child that creep should never have been allowed near kids I dread to think her Mother knew he was abusing her.

In a way I feel sorry for Aretha she has the lowest self esteem always

threatened by females never males

SINGING IN A STRANGE LAND by Nick Salvatore. Excellent read. It goes deep.

Tell of C.L.'s adoption by the Franklin man, the real father abandoned Rachel Walker (that woud have been the real last name of C.L. and Aretha).

Barbara met C.L. as he would go around preaching. She already had Vaughn from a previous relationship. C.L. adopted him and Vaughn didn't know C.L. was not his father for many years into adulthood.

Barbara had no money and that is why she did not take her kids to Buffalo. She had just gotten employed well and was planning to move her kids to Buffalo the year she died. Cause of death was a heart attack, but many say it was heart break over all the turmoil caused bt her husband. She and C.L. never divorced and he shipped the kids to her funeral, but he did not attend.

Timmy84 said:

scriptgirl said:

And where all y'all finding out this gossip about C.L.?

Actually I think most of the info is in a book about C.L., I forgot the name of it but they pretty much confirmed what has been posted here. However there is gossip that C.L. possibly molested his daughter and that's how Clarence was born but I don't know how true that is and honestly don't want it to be. Aretha's fucked up.

Most geniuses have esteem issues, and they need their confidence massaged confidently. You'd be surprised at what you read when you pick up some of their biographies and the way they all go out in hiding it, Aretha though - unlike them - doesn't give a hint of a fuck, thats why she didn't charm school it

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My oh my, interesting thread we have here. Best thing I've read all week. Carry on.

I'm glad I started this thread myself

Women who don't like other women usually see them as competition. Either professionally, or romantically. It doesn't even matter if they're family.

Scarlett O'Hara was the same way.

Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

Maybe Black churches had the abbreviated, "CliffsNotes" edition of King James Bible. They didn't have time to talk about forgiveness, they just need to tell ya over and over again your are sinning!

The Old Ass Testament King James Bible at that.