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Brian Wilson reunites with The Beach Boys, new tour and album

After years of acrimony with lawsuits, threats and a divided family, founding member and chief creative force in The Beach Boys Brian Wilson wis reuniting with his cousin Mike Love and other members for the first time since 1967. Wilson's brothers Dennis and Carl, who were also in the group have both passed. Remaining original members besides of Love, include Al Jardine. Bruce Johnston has been with the group on and off since 1965 when Brian Wilson stopped touring in 1965.

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Reply #1 posted 12/17/11 3:33am

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After years of acrimony with lawsuits, threats and a divided family, founding member and chief creative force in The Beach Boys Brian Wilson is reuniting with his cousin Mike Love and other members for the first time since 1967. Wilson's brothers Dennis and Carl, who were also in the group have both passed. Remaining original members besides of Love, include Al Jardine. Bruce Johnston has been with the group on and off since 1965 when Brian Wilson stopped touring in 1965.

wow, I'm excited at all, even though they are 69-73 years old, lol

but that information you posted IS EXTREMELY INNACURATE, there was already a BB reunion in 1975, and another one in 1985...

hope this tour gets the coverage it truly deserves...

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Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary, I am simply reporting what the news release and press articles are saying, that this is the first time Wilson will have performed with the group called The Beach Boys since 1965. He indeed continued to write and produce on and off for a period of time, but not appear live.

Brian has done a few solo tour dates, last in 2006, but as The Beach Boys, I can't find any stories of him performing with them since the Sixties. Hell most fo his time has been spent in mental instutitions post The Beatkes SGT. PEPPER album, which sent him into a emotional downfall.

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After years of acrimony with lawsuits, threats and a divided family, founding member and chief creative force in The Beach Boys Brian Wilson is reuniting with his cousin Mike Love and other members for the first time since 1967. Wilson's brothers Dennis and Carl, who were also in the group have both passed. Remaining original members besides of Love, include Al Jardine. Bruce Johnston has been with the group on and off since 1965 when Brian Wilson stopped touring in 1965.

wow, I'm excited at all, even though they are 69-73 years old, lol

but that information you posted IS EXTREMELY INNACURATE, there was already a BB reunion in 1975, and another one in 1985...

hope this tour gets the coverage it truly deserves...

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Reply #3 posted 12/17/11 4:31am

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That is pretty cool... i do really like The Beach Boys but they are old now, REALLY OLD

I Just don't know if the magic is still there so many years later...

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Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary, I am simply reporting what the news release and press articles are saying, that this is the first time Wilson will have performed with the group called The Beach Boys since 1965. He indeed continued to write and produce on and off for a period of time, but not appear live.


Brian has done a few solo tour dates, last in 2006, but as The Beach Boys, I can't find any stories of him performing with them since the Sixties. Hell most fo his time has been spent in mental instutitions post The Beatkes SGT. PEPPER album, which sent him into a emotional downfall.




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After years of acrimony with lawsuits, threats and a divided family, founding member and chief creative force in The Beach Boys Brian Wilson is reuniting with his cousin Mike Love and other members for the first time since 1967. Wilson's brothers Dennis and Carl, who were also in the group have both passed. Remaining original members besides of Love, include Al Jardine. Bruce Johnston has been with the group on and off since 1965 when Brian Wilson stopped touring in 1965.



wow, I'm excited at all, even though they are 69-73 years old, lol



but that information you posted IS EXTREMELY INNACURATE, there was already a BB reunion in 1975, and another one in 1985...



hope this tour gets the coverage it truly deserves...





Thanks for posting this RnBAmbassador. I've read many of the reports about this & they did say similar things. The media always seems to disregard everything The Beach Boys did in the 70s...Brian Wilson did return in 1976, & remained a part of the Beach Boys Touring Lineup until the
mid 80s...
I believe he stopped when he released his first self-titled solo album in 1988, even though he still made appearances with them until his youngest brother, Carl Wilson, passed in 1998. After that, of course, the band splintered & Brian went solo full-time, while Mike Love & Bruce Johnston kept touring as The Beach Boys...

This is great news & if the new album sounds anything like their great material from 66-73, it's gonna be real cool. I'll definitely go see 'em when they come to the A!
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Reply #5 posted 12/17/11 9:15am

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Brian reunited with them in 1976. He stayed on until 1985 I believe.

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Timmy84 said:

Brian reunited with them in 1976. He stayed on until 1985 I believe.

exactly, Brian was a full BB member from 75 to 1986, including the LiveAid performance, Brian left in 1988, aprox, so he wasn't there during the "Kokomo-89/92" years...

aaand during the 68-74 era he did not tour, but he co-wrote a reasonably high number of GOOD BB songs for the (forgotten) albums of that era; Sunflower (70) was basically a Brian/Carl/Dennis album...

provide evidence? this is the Internet era, lol, Wikipedia...

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JoeTyler said:

Timmy84 said:

Brian reunited with them in 1976. He stayed on until 1985 I believe.

exactly, Brian was a full BB member from 75 to 1986, including the LiveAid performance, Brian left in 1988, aprox, so he wasn't there during the "Kokomo-89/92" years...

Brian did appear on the Wipeout song and video though.

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Timmy84 said:

Brian reunited with them in 1976. He stayed on until 1985 I believe.

was never really BIG on them, though they have some of the great harmonies and some amazing songs like "god only knows" and some others , i just feel the whole "surf" thing was very limiting, how many times can u go back into the "waves" and things like that, but it'll be cool to hear something new, but i can see this coming apart very qucik


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JoeTyler said:

exactly, Brian was a full BB member from 75 to 1986, including the LiveAid performance, Brian left in 1988, aprox, so he wasn't there during the "Kokomo-89/92" years...

Brian did appear on the Wipeout song and video though.

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didn't know that! biggrin I thought that Brian forgot the BB for good after 1988...

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lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

Brian reunited with them in 1976. He stayed on until 1985 I believe.

was never really BIG on them, though they have some of the great harmonies and some amazing songs like "god only knows" and some others , i just feel the whole "surf" thing was very limiting, how many times can u go back into the "waves" and things like that, but it'll be cool to hear something new, but i can see this coming apart very qucik

the surf era (62-65) is still amazing; true, the albums are not very consistent, and the cheesy filler is everywhere, but the singles are just plain amazing; with Pet Sounds they became a short-lived "albums band", but that's why they fell from grace during the late-60s: people wanted catchy surf songs, not "serious" pop/rock albums, "Do It Again" (69) was their most successful single since 1965 because it partially brought back the surf sound...

that said, these guys only released like 4 or 5 good songs after 1973...sadly

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JoeTyler said:

MickyDolenz said:

Brian did appear on the Wipeout song and video though.

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didn't know that! biggrin I thought that Brian forgot the BB for good after 1988...

Well it was before Kokomo, I think 1987 or 88.

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lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

Brian reunited with them in 1976. He stayed on until 1985 I believe.

was never really BIG on them, though they have some of the great harmonies and some amazing songs like "god only knows" and some others , i just feel the whole "surf" thing was very limiting, how many times can u go back into the "waves" and things like that, but it'll be cool to hear something new, but i can see this coming apart very qucik

But wait a minute, Brian Wilson tried his better to get the Beach Boys away from the "surf-based" gimmick a bit with the Pet Sounds & the unreleased Smile albums.

The real problems were Brian's own bandmates were not happy about moving from the easy "surf-based" hit-making formula and the execs from Capital Records thought Brian was losing his damn mind for doing too much music studio experimenting, hence why Smile was never released.

And BTW, Paul McCartney admitted that The Beach Boys' Pet Sounds was the inspiration for The Beetles' Sgt. Pepper. This alone proves to me that Brian Wilson is a musical genius that should have been never held back from greatness in the late 1960's.


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This is not acurate. Brian Wilson was inactive, in mental treatment and all sorts of problems during this time.

The press release clearly says this will be the first time he has toured with the band since 1967.

He did keep writing and producing The Beach Boys off and on, but he didn't your with them.

"...The line-up for the reunion tour will include the group’s original leaders Brian Wilson and Mike Love, along with one of the first members, Al Jardine. Those three were part of the original quintet that formed in Hawthorne, Calif., in 1961, and fused Chuck Berry guitar parts with smooth harmonies to celebrate surf culture. Two other early members will join them: David Marks, who joined the group in 1962 for their first album “Surfin’ Safari” on Capitol Records; and Bruce Johnston, who joined the band in 1965 after Brian Wilson quit touring to focus on writing songs."

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Brian reunited with them in 1976. He stayed on until 1985 I believe.

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All of the articles I find say Brian Wilson has not performed live with The Beach Boys since 1965. Below comes from Brian's website.

Founded in Hawthorne, California in 1961, The Beach Boys were originally comprised of the three teenaged Wilson brothers: Brian, Carl and Dennis, their cousin Mike Love, and school friend Al Jardine. In 1962, neighbor David Marks joined the group for their first wave of hits on Capitol Records, leaving in late 1963, and in 1965, Bruce Johnston joined the band when Brian Wilson retired from touring to focus on writing and producing records for the group. For five decades, America's first pop band to reach the 50 year milestone has recorded and performed the music that has become the world's favorite soundtrack to summer.

The Beach Boys signed with Capitol Records in July 1962 and released their first album, Surfin' Safari, that same year. The album spent 37 weeks on the Billboard chart, launching the young group known for its shimmering vocal harmonies and relaxed California style into international stardom. The Wilson/Love collaboration resulted in many huge international chart hits, and under Brian Wilson's musical leadership, the band's initial surf-rock focus was soon broadened to include other themes, making The Beach Boys America's preeminent band of the 1960s.

I WILL AWAIT SOMEONE TO FIND INFO TO THE CONTRARY!

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^ Then you got your info wrong because he did reunite with them in 1976:

[img:$uid]http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2010/10/14/dd-selvin15_PH3_0502398640.jpg[/img:$uid]

It's funny you're relying on false info posted on people's websites. Even artists' websites can have biographies wrong. In Tina's, they said she married Ike in 1958 when it was 1962. lol Come on now.

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Reply #17 posted 12/17/11 8:37pm

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TonyVanDam said:

lastdecember said:

was never really BIG on them, though they have some of the great harmonies and some amazing songs like "god only knows" and some others , i just feel the whole "surf" thing was very limiting, how many times can u go back into the "waves" and things like that, but it'll be cool to hear something new, but i can see this coming apart very qucik

But wait a minute, Brian Wilson tried his better to get the Beach Boys away from the "surf-based" gimmick a bit with the Pet Sounds & the unreleased Smile albums.

The real problems were Brian's own bandmates were not happy about moving from the easy "surf-based" hit-making formula and the execs from Capital Records thought Brian was losing his damn mind for doing too much music studio experimenting, hence why Smile was never released.

And BTW, Paul McCartney admitted that The Beach Boys' Pet Sounds was the inspiration for The Beetles' Sgt. Pepper. This alone proves to me that Brian Wilson is a musical genius that should have been never held back from greatness in the late 1960's.


I always took it that the rest of the Beach Boys wasn't really feeling Brian's move into psychedelic/serious rock music because their brand had sold well in years but Brian was smart because he didn't want them to be pegged as a surf band. That's what caused Brian and Mike Love to beef for years.

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if it hadn't have been for mike feckin love and capitol records ...who knows how great brian wilson would have become...not allowing him to explore his songwriting genius to the full just as it was flowering in 66-67 was a crime against great art...the pressure caused the fragile psyche of brian to collapse in the wave of negativity and doubt that was coming his way at that time...

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i have no time for mike love and i cant see what brian wilson gains from getting back with the rest of the surviving beach boys...brian wilson WAS the beach boys and he has a great band of his own now..

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All of the articles I find say Brian Wilson has not performed live with The Beach Boys since 1965. Below comes from Brian's website.

Founded in Hawthorne, California in 1961, The Beach Boys were originally comprised of the three teenaged Wilson brothers: Brian, Carl and Dennis, their cousin Mike Love, and school friend Al Jardine. In 1962, neighbor David Marks joined the group for their first wave of hits on Capitol Records, leaving in late 1963, and in 1965, Bruce Johnston joined the band when Brian Wilson retired from touring to focus on writing and producing records for the group. For five decades, America's first pop band to reach the 50 year milestone has recorded and performed the music that has become the world's favorite soundtrack to summer.

The Beach Boys signed with Capitol Records in July 1962 and released their first album, Surfin' Safari, that same year. The album spent 37 weeks on the Billboard chart, launching the young group known for its shimmering vocal harmonies and relaxed California style into international stardom. The Wilson/Love collaboration resulted in many huge international chart hits, and under Brian Wilson's musical leadership, the band's initial surf-rock focus was soon broadened to include other themes, making The Beach Boys America's preeminent band of the 1960s.

I WILL AWAIT SOMEONE TO FIND INFO TO THE CONTRARY!

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don't understand why you're so stubborn/touchy about this, but I'll post two clear examples:

1977 tour

http://www.youtube.com/wa...fDFee-GgU8

1985 live Aid

http://www.youtube.com/wa...f6vVt0cLnM

Brian did the 77-78 tour, and then the 85-86 dates, including LiveAid, AND he co-wrote/co-produced some albums and MANY songs of the 68-85 period...

the media has treated the 67-88 Brian as a lunatic who couldn't even leave his california house due to his sickness, and that was insulting, silly and just plain innacurate...

evidence...

but IT'S TRUE that Brian did NOT tour during the 66-74 era, at least I'll buy you that

AND these are the post-66 albums which Brian co-wrote/co-produced as a FULL member of the BB

Smiley Smile (67, ill-received substitute of "Smile")

Wild Honey (67)

Friends (68)

Sunflower (70, failed early-70s comeback)

Surf's Up (71, limited contribution)

15 Big Ones (76, big mid-70s comeback)

Love You (77)

the dreadful/forgotten 78-80 albums

The Beach Boys (85, decent mid-80s comeback)


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I am referring to live on stage, on tour, not pics, not the studio. Brian Wilson has been writing and producing for The Beach Boys on and off for most of their existence, I am saying his publicistt, his website, their website says he hasn't toured with them since 1965.

At the end of the day I could care less really, LOL, I just don't see anything on Beach Boy or Brian Wilson sites that say to the contrare. Please someone provide direct testimonial that Brian Wilson toured with The Beach Boys post 1965.

Thanks

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^ Then you got your info wrong because he did reunite with them in 1976:

[img:$uid]http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2010/10/14/dd-selvin15_PH3_0502398640.jpg[/img:$uid]

It's funny you're relying on false info posted on people's websites. Even artists' websites can have biographies wrong. In Tina's, they said she married Ike in 1958 when it was 1962. lol Come on now.

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Please someone provide direct testimonial that Brian Wilson toured with The Beach Boys post 1965.

Thanks

I posted two clear youtube links

there is your evidence, lol

don't give a fuck about what the sites say, they lie

lol

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RnBAmbassador said:

Please someone provide direct testimonial that Brian Wilson toured with The Beach Boys post 1965.

Thanks

I posted two clear youtube links

there is your evidence, lol

don't give a fuck about what the sites say, they lie

lol

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Reply #23 posted 12/18/11 6:26am

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Yeah, he was definitely with them all the way during that time period (76-most of the 80s), as crazy & choatic as that era was...

Here are some great, overlooked songs from The Beach Boys in their classic 1968-1973 era...

Welcome back, Beach Boys.
R.I.P. Dennis & Carl Wilson.

Busy Doin' Nothin from Friends (1968)



Wild Honey (1968)



This Whole World from Sunflower (1970)



Its About Time from Sunflower (1970)



Long Promised Road rom Surf's Up (1971)



You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone from Carl And The Passions (1972)



The Trader from Holland (1973)

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And I guess to contribute to the "disagreement" that Brian didn't rejoin the band on stage or tour from '76-mid 80s, here's some more links...I mean no harm. cool I just love these clips.

1979: Rock And Roll Music (Brian playing bass guitar)


1980: Goin' On, great song, Brian on piano & backing vocals)


1981: God Only Knows, with Brian singing lead (Carl was on a solo tour)


1983: A cover of Del Shannon's Runaway, Brian dancing & singing background
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Reply #25 posted 12/18/11 7:13am

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lol How much more proof do you NEED? lol

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The Beach Boys need to fire their publicist and webmaster on their official site.

Thanks to the tried and faithful that dug up the You Tube clips. I was aware that Brian did tv shows with them, and now to see a few dates in the tears post 1967 and see no mention of that on The Beach Boys site or Brian Wilson's site and the press release touting the new tour in mind-boggling.

Here is what the Beach Boys site says in the Timeline section (paraphrased to a degree) In 1964 according to The Beach Boys official website in the Timeline section, it says Brian Wilson suffered a nervous breakdown on the airplane on a trip to Texas. Glen Campbell was brought in as a fill-in.

Wilson performed on tv, but the Sixties marked the end of him touring with The Beach Boys.

April 9, 1965, Bruce Johnston replaces Glen Campbell and continues as the replacement for Brian Wilson, and plays live with the group and in the studio. First gig with Johnston was in New Orleans on the April date afore-mentioned. In August, 1967. Brian make a are live appearance with The Beach Boys for the purpose of recording alive album in Hawaii. The album LEI’D IN HAWAII was never released.

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I guess Elvis is still alvie and chilling with 2Pac on a remote island as well, LOL.

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JoeTyler said:

I posted two clear youtube links

there is your evidence, lol

don't give a fuck about what the sites say, they lie

lol

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Reply #27 posted 12/18/11 11:54am

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Brian DID play live with the band after 1965, as some of you have already said. But I'm not sure if it was in whole tours or just in specific ocassions. I'd have to check it.

Also, in many of these appearances, Brian was just a circus attraction, he was taken on tour by his band mates just to get people attending the concerts to see the "fat, out of his mind freak". It was very, very sad. The family just trying to get more dollars from the genius.

I don't expect much from the announced tour. I prefer to enjoy the recently released The Smile Sessions, which is one of the fundamental pieces of musical work of the last century.

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Reply #28 posted 12/18/11 11:55am

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Javi said:

Brian DID play live with the band after 1965, as some of you have already said. But I'm not sure if it was in whole tours or just in specific ocassions. I'd have to check it.

Also, in many of these appearances, Brian was just a circus attraction, he was taken on tour by his band mates just to get people attending the concerts to see the "fat, out of his mind freak". It was very, very sad. The family just trying to get more dollars from the genius.

I don't expect much from the announced tour. I prefer to enjoy the recently released The Smile Sessions, which is one of the fundamental pieces of musical work of the last century.

Yeah, it was billed as a reunion but seeing as how Brian was then, it was sad how the group just dragged him out like that... I just hope this reunion is more successful.

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Javi said:

Also, in many of these appearances, Brian was just a circus attraction, he was taken on tour by his band mates just to get people attending the concerts to see the "fat, out of his mind freak". It was very, very sad. The family just trying to get more dollars from the genius.

that's completely subjective, just a cynical rant

proof? evidence?

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