babybugz said:

musicjunky318 said:

Especially in this sales climate.

Hell even going gold.

Yep!

musicjunky318 said:

4 is an r&b album with no strong pop singles to crossover and smash. It's as simple as that. Run The World was too weak and everything else is too, how do I put it, black. But still...it's done better than many flop CD's out there. People need to stop acting like being close to a million units is a total failure. I reckon that's pretty good. The singles flopped. I would rather people buy my album than just download a song here a song there and never think twice about picking up my entire shit. (See Rihanna)

Except people buy Rihanna's singles and albums.

Layzie said:

musicjunky318 said:

4 is an r&b album with no strong pop singles to crossover and smash. It's as simple as that. Run The World was too weak and everything else is too, how do I put it, black. But still...it's done better than many flop CD's out there. People need to stop acting like being close to a million units is a total failure. I reckon that's pretty good. The singles flopped. I would rather people buy my album than just download a song here a song there and never think twice about picking up my entire shit. (See Rihanna)

Except people buy Rihanna's singles and albums.

The devil is a liar. She's had no substantial album success. Took her 7 singles and a re-release to go double platinum in 07 with GGGB. That's pathetic. After 7 singles? And a re-packaging?

musicjunky318 said:

Layzie said:

Except people buy Rihanna's singles and albums.

The devil is a liar. She's had no substantial album success. Took her 7 singles and a re-release to go double platinum in 07 with GGGB. That's pathetic. After 7 singles? And a re-packaging?

Bullshit. GGGB is sitting at 9mil ww. Loud is close to 6 mil.

And do you really wanna complain about countless singles from one album and re-packaging in a thread where you're defending Beyonce?

Layzie said:

musicjunky318 said:

The devil is a liar. She's had no substantial album success. Took her 7 singles and a re-release to go double platinum in 07 with GGGB. That's pathetic. After 7 singles? And a re-packaging?

Bullshit. GGGB is sitting at 9mil ww. Loud is close to 6 mil.

And do you really wanna complain about countless singles from one album and re-packaging in a thread where you're defending Beyonce?

Beyonce's sales dwarf Rihanna's. Inside and outside of DC. Forehead dominates radio and I-tunes singles. That's it.

Why did I get Maxine Shaw/Kyle Barker flashback when I skimmed through this thread?

musicjunky318 said:

Layzie said:

Bullshit. GGGB is sitting at 9mil ww. Loud is close to 6 mil.

And do you really wanna complain about countless singles from one album and re-packaging in a thread where you're defending Beyonce?

Beyonce's sales dwarf Rihanna's. Inside and outside of DC. Forehead dominates radio and I-tunes singles. That's it.

No shit. I'm not arguing who sold the most. My beef is with that tired ass myth that Rihanna doesn't sell albums.

Layzie said:

musicjunky318 said:

Beyonce's sales dwarf Rihanna's. Inside and outside of DC. Forehead dominates radio and I-tunes singles. That's it.

No shit. I'm not arguing who sold the most. My beef is with that tired ass myth that Rihanna doesn't sell albums.

Well shit after 7 singles and being on the radio every 5 minutes you would think she could compete with heavyweight sellers. The correlation between album and single success is way off.

@musicjunky Rihanna sells she might not be touching Gaga or Beyonce but she sells. Don't let your hate for rihanna get in the way now But she does better single wise than album wise no denying that. The girl is popular.

babybugz said:

@musicjunky Rihanna sells she might not be touching Gaga or Beyonce but she sells. Don't let your hate for rihanna get in the way now But she does better single wise than album wise no denying that. The girl is popular.

LOL But bugzzyyyyyyyyyy

Yeah ok.

Beyonce goes platinum-It's hard selling a mill nowadays

Rihanna goes platinum-FLOP BITCH

And I don't see singles being an artist's strong point as a bad thing.

Layzie said:

Yeah ok.

Beyonce goes platinum-It's hard selling a mill nowadays

Rihanna goes platinum-FLOP BITCH

And I don't see singles being an artist's strong point as a bad thing.

This is The NON Prince discussion = Beyonce.org... get use to it

This is the exact same point I was trying to make earlier.. people here are hyprocrites and biased which is why I take none of the posts seriously.

mjscarousal said:

Layzie said:

Yeah ok.

Beyonce goes platinum-It's hard selling a mill nowadays

Rihanna goes platinum-FLOP BITCH

And I don't see singles being an artist's strong point as a bad thing.

This is The NON Prince discussion = Beyonce.org... get use to it

This is the exact same point I was trying to make earlier.. people here are hyprocrites and biased which is why I take none of the posts seriously.

The examples you've used to illustrate your points don't make sense. Honestly.

Its like you're just mad at whatever anybody says about the topics raised in this thread, regardless off the fact that I think a good amount of it has actually been agreeing with you.

Layzie said:

Yeah ok.

Beyonce goes platinum-It's hard selling a mill nowadays

Rihanna goes platinum-FLOP BITCH

And I don't see singles being an artist's strong point as a bad thing.

Me neither. And if sales are inconsequential, it's funny how 90 percent of the Orgers waste little time trashing Aguilera( for example) when her sales lag. But when discussing Weaveonce, it's a different matter.

mjscarousal said:

RKJCNE said:

Boy... YOU CRAY CRAY

How was her album poorly received by the public when...

It went #1

Stayed #1 on it's second week

It's going platinum

One of the best selling albums of the year

It became her most critically acclaimed album

Now actually answer that, or don't respond to me at all, cuz guess what? In 2011 going platinum means it was well received.

Let's see you go platinum. Until then STAY CUTE.

Boy YOU PRESSED PRESSED LOL I see you still tripping...

When will you get that through your thick small obsessed krazy ass Beyonce brain??? Post more statistics or grammys you think she might win.. I DONT GIVE A FUCK... EVERYONE has said it is going to eventually sell a million and when it does or sales more I STILL WONT GIVE A FUCK LOL Cause SELLS DONT reflect Quality something I wouldnt expect you to know nothing about...

If Adele can still be beautiful make authentic music keep her clothes on not overexpose herself and stay true to her artisty AND still SELL UNLIKE Beyonce then ANYBODY with artistic merit can...

I have to much dignity and respect for myself and as a young woman to do half the shit most of these female pop tarts do just to be mainstream and sell alot of records which means nothing at the end of the day....

LMAO at alot of these comments... Beyonce is backed up by a machine... its easy for her to sell if she wants to... other artist acts are not backed with the same marketing.. Yall talk as if everyone is backed by the same marketing...

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I am not obsessed with beyonce, but judging by this thread it's pretty damn obvious you are.

And to reiterate what I keep saying. ADELE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

And you keep saying sales don't mean anything, but obviously to you they do cause you keep bringing up Beyonce's.

Identity said:

Layzie said:

Yeah ok.

Beyonce goes platinum-It's hard selling a mill nowadays

Rihanna goes platinum-FLOP BITCH

And I don't see singles being an artist's strong point as a bad thing.

Me neither. And if sales are inconsequential, it's funny how 90 percent of the Orgers waste little time trashing Aguilera( for example) when her sales lag. But when discussing Weaveonce, it's a different matter.

Well that's because Floptina is Floptina. It is what it is.

^

And there it is.

I just knew you couldn't resist the opportunity!

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Identity said:

^

And there it is.

I just knew you couldn't resist the opportunity!

[Edited 12/7/11 19:26pm]

LMAOOOOOOOOOO

musicjunky318 said:

Identity said:

Me neither. And if sales are inconsequential, it's funny how 90 percent of the Orgers waste little time trashing Aguilera( for example) when her sales lag. But when discussing Weaveonce, it's a different matter.

Well that's because Floptina is Floptina. It is what it is.

RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

Boy YOU PRESSED PRESSED LOL I see you still tripping...

When will you get that through your thick small obsessed krazy ass Beyonce brain??? Post more statistics or grammys you think she might win.. I DONT GIVE A FUCK... EVERYONE has said it is going to eventually sell a million and when it does or sales more I STILL WONT GIVE A FUCK LOL Cause SELLS DONT reflect Quality something I wouldnt expect you to know nothing about...

If Adele can still be beautiful make authentic music keep her clothes on not overexpose herself and stay true to her artisty AND still SELL UNLIKE Beyonce then ANYBODY with artistic merit can...

I have to much dignity and respect for myself and as a young woman to do half the shit most of these female pop tarts do just to be mainstream and sell alot of records which means nothing at the end of the day....

LMAO at alot of these comments... Beyonce is backed up by a machine... its easy for her to sell if she wants to... other artist acts are not backed with the same marketing.. Yall talk as if everyone is backed by the same marketing...

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[Edited 12/7/11 18:01pm]

I am not obsessed with beyonce, but judging by this thread it's pretty damn obvious you are.

And to reiterate what I keep saying. ADELE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

And you keep saying sales don't mean anything, but obviously to you they do cause you keep bringing up Beyonce's.

LOL YES YOU ARE...

And you act like I have been the ONLY person who has been replying in this thread when you and countless others have as well (oh thats right you only do that to people who criticise Beyonce)so if your labeling me as obsessed then you probably should label yourself and a few other people in here... most of my replies in here havent even been on Beyonce specifically but more so making points related to peaks and popularity

LOL

You STILL MAD because I posted that silly Adele gif...

I dont care about Beyonces sale... you must have senile issues because YOU are the one bringing up BEYONCE SALES.. You and countless others are the ones relentlessly coming in here bitching about how she will eventually make a million copies ... like who gives a fuck LOL

If I have said anything about sales I have said that sales do not reflect quality and only popularity.. I am not counting how many number of sales Beyonce has or hasnt like alot of you are and you as well... So please STFU about shit that isnt true... and take a look at the man in the mirror... Yea I did bring Adele up but I also said that it wasnt intended to change the direction of the thread BUT instead to show that she had NO promotion and had a less marketing machine behind her when her album came out unlike Beyonce but her album sold more than her still... I find that to be very impressive.. compared to what some of you in here calling "impressive" Beyonce being able to sale a million (which is dued to he marketing unlike most artists out now)

mjscarousal said:

RKJCNE said:

I am not obsessed with beyonce, but judging by this thread it's pretty damn obvious you are.

And to reiterate what I keep saying. ADELE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

And you keep saying sales don't mean anything, but obviously to you they do cause you keep bringing up Beyonce's.

LOL YES YOU ARE...

And you act like I have been the ONLY person who has been replying in this thread when you and countless others have as well (oh thats right you only do that to people who criticise Beyonce)so if your labeling me as obsessed then you probably should label yourself and a few other people in here... most of my replies in here havent even been on Beyonce specifically but more so making points related to peaks and popularity

LOL

You STILL MAD because I posted that silly Adele gif...

I dont care about Beyonces sale... you must have senile issues because YOU are the one bringing up BEYONCE SALES.. You and countless others are the ones relentlessly coming in here bitching about how she will eventually make a million copies ... like who gives a fuck LOL

If I have said anything about sales I have said that sales do not reflect quality and only popularity.. I am not counting how many number of sales Beyonce has or hasnt like alot of you are and you as well... So please STFU about shit that isnt true... and take a look at the man in the mirror... Yea I did bring Adele up but I also said that it wasnt intended to change the direction of the thread BUT instead to show that she had NO promotion and had a less marketing machine behind her when her album came out unlike Beyonce but her album sold more than her still... I find that to be very impressive.. compared to what some of you in here calling "impressive" Beyonce being able to sale a million (which is dued to he marketing unlike most artists out now)

If you bring up Adele and her sales to Beyonce then you are still saying sales matter. Your logic is chasing it's own tale.

RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

LOL YES YOU ARE...

And you act like I have been the ONLY person who has been replying in this thread when you and countless others have as well (oh thats right you only do that to people who criticise Beyonce)so if your labeling me as obsessed then you probably should label yourself and a few other people in here... most of my replies in here havent even been on Beyonce specifically but more so making points related to peaks and popularity

LOL

You STILL MAD because I posted that silly Adele gif...

I dont care about Beyonces sale... you must have senile issues because YOU are the one bringing up BEYONCE SALES.. You and countless others are the ones relentlessly coming in here bitching about how she will eventually make a million copies ... like who gives a fuck LOL

If I have said anything about sales I have said that sales do not reflect quality and only popularity.. I am not counting how many number of sales Beyonce has or hasnt like alot of you are and you as well... So please STFU about shit that isnt true... and take a look at the man in the mirror... Yea I did bring Adele up but I also said that it wasnt intended to change the direction of the thread BUT instead to show that she had NO promotion and had a less marketing machine behind her when her album came out unlike Beyonce but her album sold more than her still... I find that to be very impressive.. compared to what some of you in here calling "impressive" Beyonce being able to sale a million (which is dued to he marketing unlike most artists out now)

If you bring up Adele and her sales to Beyonce then you are still saying sales matter. Your logic is chasing it's own tale.

YOUR logic is blinding your understanding...

It is not saying that sales matter...

I think it is impressive that does not mean I care about sales... I just think its impressive that an artist who had NO promo, NO interviews, NO REAL promotion for the album sold more than Beyonce who had a hell of alot more.(which is why I dont understand why some of you think its impressive she is going to sell a million because based on all that she did for the album you would think she would have sold at least 4-5 million by now) I teased you with the gifs but I havent been mentioning this throughout the thread.

YOU on the other hand insisting that she is eventually going to sale a million shows that sells matter to you because if you didnt you wouldnt keep insisting what is already obvious...Also implying that her album going to number one and it being one of the best albums of the years... WHO CARES... the article is measuring HER ALBUMS and compared to HER ALBUMS it didnt sell well and to be technically more albums OVERALL sold more... period.. thats not bashing that just stating facts BUT if you enjoyed the album good for you..

mjscarousal said:

RKJCNE said:

If you bring up Adele and her sales to Beyonce then you are still saying sales matter. Your logic is chasing it's own tale.

YOUR logic is blinding your understanding...

It is not saying that sales matter...

I think it is impressive that does not mean I care about sales... I just think its impressive that an artist who had NO promo, NO interviews, NO REAL promotion for the album sold more than Beyonce who had a hell of alot more.(which is why I dont understand why some of you think its impressive she is going to sell a million because based on all that she did for the album you would think she would have sold at least 4-5 million by now) I teased you with the gifs but I havent been mentioning this throughout the thread.

YOU on the other hand insisting that she is eventually going to sale a million shows that sells matter to you because if you didnt you wouldnt keep insisting what is already obvious...Also implying that her album going to number one and it being one of the best albums of the years... WHO CARES... the article is measuring HER ALBUMS and compared to HER ALBUMS it didnt sell well and to be technically more albums OVERALL sold more... period.. thats not bashing that just stating facts BUT if you enjoyed the album good for you..

Albums sales don't matter, but let's talk about Beyonce's album sales, even though they don't matter but hey look at Adele's album sales, but album sales don't matter...

RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

YOUR logic is blinding your understanding...

It is not saying that sales matter...

I think it is impressive that does not mean I care about sales... I just think its impressive that an artist who had NO promo, NO interviews, NO REAL promotion for the album sold more than Beyonce who had a hell of alot more.(which is why I dont understand why some of you think its impressive she is going to sell a million because based on all that she did for the album you would think she would have sold at least 4-5 million by now) I teased you with the gifs but I havent been mentioning this throughout the thread.

YOU on the other hand insisting that she is eventually going to sale a million shows that sells matter to you because if you didnt you wouldnt keep insisting what is already obvious...Also implying that her album going to number one and it being one of the best albums of the years... WHO CARES... the article is measuring HER ALBUMS and compared to HER ALBUMS it didnt sell well and to be technically more albums OVERALL sold more... period.. thats not bashing that just stating facts BUT if you enjoyed the album good for you..

Albums sales don't matter, but let's talk about Beyonce's album sales, even though they don't matter but hey look at Adele's album sales, but album sales don't matter...

RJ... this thread is about Beyonce "4" sales... so sales are going to be discussed and based on some comments in this thread related to Beyonce "4" sales other artists were brought up to make points associated with sales.... doesnt mean people care about sales.(This is a music discussion so at times things may go off topic and get back on but its all closely related together..) I ONLY brought up Adele to point out an observation I wasnt even trying to make a serious point with it. Beyonce had everything in front of her for success, good promotion, etc.. the public didnt receive it as well as they did HER PAST works... impressively and shockingly they pulled more to an artist like Adele (who makes non generic pop music) who ended up having more music success this year than Beyonce WITHOUT PR antics or promotion but me and you both know this I dunno why we are arguing about this... You must really enjoy arguing for no reason...

Also, I hope you will be singing the same tune when you talk about other artists... since sales suddenly dont mean nothing to you when your posts suggest otherwise

5+ pages of some people still trying to justify Beyonce's failures!

And BTW, the very single cover design for Run The World (Girls) tells exactly why Beyonce's comeback attempt was a FAILED from the start.

[img:$uid]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Run_the_World_%28Girls%29_cover.jpg[/img:$uid]

How in the hell can Beyonce throw up the black-gloved fist while dressing up like a diva in a music industry that is still control worldwide by men?

Some of Beyonce's fanbase was able to see that bullshit for what it is: a visual contradiction.

TonyVanDam said:

5+ pages of some people still trying to justify Beyonce's failures!

And BTW, the very single cover design for Run The World (Girls) tells exactly why Beyonce's comeback attempt was a FAILED from the start.

[img:$uid]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Run_the_World_%28Girls%29_cover.jpg[/img:$uid]

How in the hell can Beyonce throw up the black-gloved fist while dressing up like a diva in a music industry that is still control worldwide by men?

Some of Beyonce's fanbase was able to see that bullshit for what it is: a visual contradiction.

Are you sure this obvious conspiracy doesn't have something to do with the illuminati?

Cerebus said:

TonyVanDam said:

5+ pages of some people still trying to justify Beyonce's failures!

And BTW, the very single cover design for Run The World (Girls) tells exactly why Beyonce's comeback attempt was a FAILED from the start.

[img:$uid]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Run_the_World_%28Girls%29_cover.jpg[/img:$uid]

How in the hell can Beyonce throw up the black-gloved fist while dressing up like a diva in a music industry that is still control worldwide by men?

Some of Beyonce's fanbase was able to see that bullshit for what it is: a visual contradiction.

Are you sure this obvious conspiracy doesn't have something to do with the illuminati?

[img:$uid]http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/full/460088748.gif?Expires=1323327114&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=cvxGUgkGWOJU5WSI6iT1TzCwAW1BqdUPblHQrNOqBkaCK~-gp3SM-kmYDJnHSIU02pgv4gDCey8QpUXl58dYwvLpyM9vxGnHLTxDx0CgDNAen1BgctG10yu9RiJza0h2QVvzpQB-syQtAmgj0Q06clJxkBHHJwilWN6TEzi7s~g_[/img:$uid]

Cerebus said:

TonyVanDam said:

5+ pages of some people still trying to justify Beyonce's failures!

And BTW, the very single cover design for Run The World (Girls) tells exactly why Beyonce's comeback attempt was a FAILED from the start.

[img:$uid]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Run_the_World_%28Girls%29_cover.jpg[/img:$uid]

How in the hell can Beyonce throw up the black-gloved fist while dressing up like a diva in a music industry that is still control worldwide by men?

Some of Beyonce's fanbase was able to see that bullshit for what it is: a visual contradiction.

Are you sure this obvious conspiracy doesn't have something to do with the illuminati?

Not necessity. It's more to do with bullshitty marketing.

mjscarousal said:

RKJCNE said:

Albums sales don't matter, but let's talk about Beyonce's album sales, even though they don't matter but hey look at Adele's album sales, but album sales don't matter...

RJ... this thread is about Beyonce "4" sales... so sales are going to be discussed and based on some comments in this thread related to Beyonce "4" sales other artists were brought up to make points associated with sales.... doesnt mean people care about sales.(This is a music discussion so at times things may go off topic and get back on but its all closely related together..) I ONLY brought up Adele to point out an observation I wasnt even trying to make a serious point with it. Beyonce had everything in front of her for success, good promotion, etc.. the public didnt receive it as well as they did HER PAST works... impressively and shockingly they pulled more to an artist like Adele (who makes non generic pop music) who ended up having more music success this year than Beyonce WITHOUT PR antics or promotion but me and you both know this I dunno why we are arguing about this... You must really enjoy arguing for no reason...

Also, I hope you will be singing the same tune when you talk about other artists... since sales suddenly dont mean nothing to you when your posts suggest otherwise

GIRL you'd better just admit album sales do mean something to you so you can quit while you're ahead.