Timmy84 said:

You know what? A few years ago, I would've agreed with the sentiments of how Beyonce's this and that, but now, I'm starting to believe that y'all just love to talk about her and her "failing sales". If sales don't matter to some of you, why come in here and celebrate because a woman only doing platinum. I would go further but typing any more than that is no longer an option here.

Chick would be a beautiful, oversinging disaster--even if she went six times platinum. She makes my ears bleed.

Cerebus said:

Timmy84 said:

You know what? A few years ago, I would've agreed with the sentiments of how Beyonce's this and that, but now, I'm starting to believe that y'all just love to talk about her and her "failing sales". If sales don't matter to some of you, why come in here and celebrate because a woman only doing platinum. I would go further but typing any more than that is no longer an option here.

This is where I ended up, too. I started to feel like I was feeding the sickness.

lol I let it go. It's like she got more money than all of us... I don't give a fuck. I admit I like some of her songs and I don't mind her performance style all that much. Some moments make me chuckle still though...lol

Timmy84 said:

You know what? A few years ago, I would've agreed with the sentiments of how Beyonce's this and that, but now, I'm starting to believe that y'all just love to talk about her and her "failing sales". If sales don't matter to some of you, why come in here and celebrate because a woman only doing platinum. I would go further but typing any more than that is no longer an option here.

4 is a strong album.

Timmy84 said:

You know what? A few years ago, I would've agreed with the sentiments of how Beyonce's this and that, but now, I'm starting to believe that y'all just love to talk about her and her "failing sales". If sales don't matter to some of you, why come in here and celebrate because a woman only doing platinum. I would go further but typing any more than that is no longer an option here.

People get way to heated on Beyonce on this org, god knows why?

I find her much less interesting than most modern pop stars.

smoothcriminal12 said:

mjscarousal said:

That is not true... *coughs* Janet Jackson (34), Michael Jackson (35-38) and Madonna (35)

She peaked way to early if you ask me which was techincally at (28)

[Edited 12/6/11 22:21pm]

Arguably Michael peaked from 21-25.

Wow didnt think I would say this but youve lost ALL cred

Yall love to make Beyonce the victim because alot of people express their objective opinions on her which goes against what is unpopular... whatever

Michael was still very popular AFTER Thriller sold BAD over 20 million copies.. and he was saling out stadiums, massive airplay, awards etc..

His noticable decline was after History...

Like are you honestly implying acts like Jodeci, TLC, En Vogue, Black Street, Monica etc could sale out stadiums and were saling over 10 million with each album?

You can have ALL the seats...

[Edited 12/7/11 14:39pm]

mjscarousal said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Arguably Michael peaked from 21-25.

Wow didnt think I would say this but youve lost ALL cred

I didn't say I THINK that. I said arguably.

Personally I think he peaked with Dangerous nad HIStory. But that's just me.

But arguably, Michael peaked from 21-25. Arguably.

[Edited 12/7/11 14:38pm]

smoothcriminal12 said:

mjscarousal said:

Wow didnt think I would say this but youve lost ALL cred

I didn't say I THINK that. I said arguably.

Personally I think he peaked with Dangerous nad HIStory. But that's just me.

But arguably, Michael peaked from 21-25. Arguably.

[Edited 12/7/11 14:38pm]

Still not true...

Most people arguably connect the three Q albums (Quincy Jone projects) OTW, Thriller and BAD and suggest that was the height of popularity.. (which I STILL disagree with not to mention people always suggest these are his best works because of the collab with Quincy and ironically Michael was around 30 when BAD CAME out so he still was OVER 30 arguably if this was to be true

But technically

BEFORE Thriller, Off The Wall came out AND Michael was not nearly as popular as he was with Thriller.. OTW sold well but not nearly as much as it did when Thriller came out... By the time Thriller came out he was around the age you are suggesting is arguably where he peaked between 21-25 which is bullshit sorry...Thats when his popularity really took off as a SOLO act anyway...

ABeautifulOne said:

Terrib3Towel said:

Beyonce's Dangerously in love shipped about 4,688,000 in the U.S.

What do I win?

Or is that considered 5x platium?

You don't win a thing but I just find it interesting demerit an artist because they aren't your cup of tea.

I'm not demeriting anyone, her sales suck. Period.

NoVideo said:

SoulAlive said:

Mariah Carey had twins and I didn't see her releasing 10 videos from her last album! Beyonce is in love with herself,that's the real reason for the excessive videos.

Come on, now. It's not unusual for artists to prepare videos for an entire album, it's been done many times by many different artists. Eurythmics did it for their "Savage" album, Prince pretty much did it for 'Symbol'... if I recall didn't Beyonce also do it for "Deja Vu"? I know there were a bunch of videos from that album. Even Tori did it for "Abnormally Attracted to Sin", although they were called "visuallettes" lol. Hasn't Janet Jackson done it as well? I seem to remember a home video for Rhythm Nation that had clips for all (or nearly all) the tracks. I'm sure there are many many others.

I think folks are trying to latch onto anything they can to get a dig in at Beyonce. Not sure why she bothers ya so much She's a talented entertainer. I like a lot of her stuff, and my appreciation for her has grown since I saw her live. Truly a fun, entertaining show.

Oh come on...you know that Beyonce is extremely vain.She's in love with herself How many artists make a video for almost every song on their album? Yes,you mentioned a few others who have done this,but Beyonce does it with EVERY album! Most artists make videos only for the singles that they release.But hey,if you like that about Beyonce,no problem...but let's call it what it is She's in love with herself.

4 is an r&b album with no strong pop singles to crossover and smash. It's as simple as that. Run The World was too weak and everything else is too, how do I put it, black. But still...it's done better than many flop CD's out there. People need to stop acting like being close to a million units is a total failure. I reckon that's pretty good. The singles flopped. I would rather people buy my album than just download a song here a song there and never think twice about picking up my entire shit. (See Rihanna)

mjscarousal said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I didn't say I THINK that. I said arguably.

Personally I think he peaked with Dangerous nad HIStory. But that's just me.

But arguably, Michael peaked from 21-25. Arguably.

[Edited 12/7/11 14:38pm]

Still not true...

Most people arguably connect the three Q albums (Quincy Jone projects) OTW, Thriller and BAD and suggest that was the height of popularity.. (which I STILL disagree with not to mention people always suggest these are his best works because of the collab with Quincy and ironically Michael was around 30 when BAD CAME out so he still was OVER 30 arguably if this was to be true

But technically

BEFORE Thriller, Off The Wall came out AND Michael was not nearly as popular as he was with Thriller.. OTW sold well but not nearly as much as it did when Thriller came out... By the time Thriller came out he was around the age you are suggesting is arguably where he peaked between 21-25 which is bullshit sorry...Thats when his popularity really took off as a SOLO act anyway...

Whether or not it's true is irrelevant, one could still argue that it is.

Sometimes people just put out sub-par albums. I wouldn't say her album flopped yet, since it is still the top selling R&B album of the year and the 7th highest selling overall album of the year, but it's fair to say it's a disappointment. Some of the tracks are decent (Love On Top, 1+1, Best Thing I Never Had), but she torpedoed her album by choosing Run The World as the leadoff single. The problem was that song was a club single and should have stayed in the clubs. It had no melody and few catchy hooks to get people interested in the song. If she had released RTW just for the clubs, she could have created some buzz for the album's release, and it would have highlighted her other tracks as better radio-frendly singles.

musicjunky318 said:

4 is an r&b album with no strong pop singles to crossover and smash. It's as simple as that. Run The World was too weak and everything else is too, how do I put it, black. But still...it's done better than many flop CD's out there. People need to stop acting like being close to a million units is a total failure. I reckon that's pretty good. The singles flopped. I would rather people buy my album than just download a song here a song there and never think twice about picking up my entire shit. (See Rihanna)

Thank you.

You know what I find funny?

Its the SAME hyprocrites people that will always be quick to criticize better artists with more artistic merit and obvious talent BUT when it comes to Beyonce they are quick to say people love to bash her, etc.

ITS TIRED...

NO ONE is bashing her... Her album sales compared to her other albums were slower and while it will still reach a million it was not well received by the public... period... Someone made a thread and folks responded.. its music discussion..

Alot of you people make posts based on what other people think on here, based on how often someone high fives you or agrees, dont wanna come off as a basher/complainer and for some reason think its "cool" to cheerlead what is popular because on a site like this its the "unpopular" thing to do.. its beyond annoying.. some of you should just make the posts YOU want and not worry about how others will perceive it..

To be completely honest whether it sells 1 million or doesnt move.... there were BETTER r&b albums OVERALL this year... Jill, Marsha, Adele etc..

[Edited 12/7/11 15:44pm]

mjscarousal said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I didn't say I THINK that. I said arguably.

Personally I think he peaked with Dangerous nad HIStory. But that's just me.

But arguably, Michael peaked from 21-25. Arguably.

[Edited 12/7/11 14:38pm]

Still not true...

Most people arguably connect the three Q albums (Quincy Jone projects) OTW, Thriller and BAD and suggest that was the height of popularity.. (which I STILL disagree with not to mention people always suggest these are his best works because of the collab with Quincy and ironically Michael was around 30 when BAD CAME out so he still was OVER 30 arguably if this was to be true

But technically

BEFORE Thriller, Off The Wall came out AND Michael was not nearly as popular as he was with Thriller.. OTW sold well but not nearly as much as it did when Thriller came out... By the time Thriller came out he was around the age you are suggesting is arguably where he peaked between 21-25 which is bullshit sorry...Thats when his popularity really took off as a SOLO act anyway...

I agree wholeheartly with mj! Michael was already an established fixture in the industry by the time Off The Wall came out in the summer of '79. But I'd like to also include that The Jacksons' Destiny made a large dent in the R&B landscape and reclaimed interest in Michael and the brothers in the pop waters. People were quite amazed at the creative resurgence that came over the brothers Jackson and Michael independently. But as a solo artist, he definitely peaked from 1979-1991, from a popularity and commercial standpoint if you ask me. Alot of people say that his decline started when Bad came out and I disagree with that statement. But he wasn't that far off with the release of Off The Wall. That was a BIG album as well. Michael was definitely popular off of the releases of Destiny, Off The Wall, and Triumph. But Thriller was the icing on the cake!

You seriously want me to say fuck Michael Jackson, don't y'all? He ain't got nothing to do with this. I don't care if he was brought up to prove a point lmao

musicjunky318 said:

4 is an r&b album with no strong pop singles to crossover and smash. It's as simple as that. Run The World was too weak and everything else is too, how do I put it, black. But still...it's done better than many flop CD's out there. People need to stop acting like being close to a million units is a total failure. I reckon that's pretty good. The singles flopped. I would rather people buy my album than just download a song here a song there and never think twice about picking up my entire shit. (See Rihanna)

I agree.

smoothcriminal12 said:

mjscarousal said:

Still not true...

Most people arguably connect the three Q albums (Quincy Jone projects) OTW, Thriller and BAD and suggest that was the height of popularity.. (which I STILL disagree with not to mention people always suggest these are his best works because of the collab with Quincy and ironically Michael was around 30 when BAD CAME out so he still was OVER 30 arguably if this was to be true

But technically

BEFORE Thriller, Off The Wall came out AND Michael was not nearly as popular as he was with Thriller.. OTW sold well but not nearly as much as it did when Thriller came out... By the time Thriller came out he was around the age you are suggesting is arguably where he peaked between 21-25 which is bullshit sorry...Thats when his popularity really took off as a SOLO act anyway...

Whether or not it's true is irrelevant, one could still argue that it is.

Youve lost all credibility smooth and Im exactly kinda disappointed cause I had a lil crush on you anybody can argue anything but this conversation is on what MOST people assume and facts. MOST people argue what I posted. Ive gotten into HEATED discussions and conversations with non MJ fans in real life and on different boards that will atest to OTW, Thriller AND BAD being the height of Michaels popularity... thats in MOST cases.. some have argued Dangerous and History which once again Michael was near 40 He was over 30 in BOTH cases.. in an argued case and factually.

Timmy84 said:

You seriously want me to say fuck Michael Jackson, don't y'all? He ain't got nothing to do with this. I don't care if he was brought up to prove a point lmao

Go on and say it. Michael and Beyonce shouldn't even be in the same thread anyways. But this Beyonce situation is just stupid. Just sayin'!

4 was NOT A FLOP OR UNSUCCESSFUL ALBUM! It just sold lesser than her previous stuff. Again this is coming from a non-Beyonce fan, stan, or whatever. And if I hear someone compare Adele's monster hit with this one more time, I'm gonna scream.

silverchild said:

mjscarousal said:

Still not true...

Most people arguably connect the three Q albums (Quincy Jone projects) OTW, Thriller and BAD and suggest that was the height of popularity.. (which I STILL disagree with not to mention people always suggest these are his best works because of the collab with Quincy and ironically Michael was around 30 when BAD CAME out so he still was OVER 30 arguably if this was to be true

But technically

BEFORE Thriller, Off The Wall came out AND Michael was not nearly as popular as he was with Thriller.. OTW sold well but not nearly as much as it did when Thriller came out... By the time Thriller came out he was around the age you are suggesting is arguably where he peaked between 21-25 which is bullshit sorry...Thats when his popularity really took off as a SOLO act anyway...

I agree wholeheartly with mj! Michael was already an established fixture in the industry by the time Off The Wall came out in the summer of '79. But I'd like to also include that The Jacksons' Destiny made a large dent in the R&B landscape and reclaimed interest in Michael and the brothers in the pop waters. People were quite amazed at the creative resurgence that came over the brothers Jackson and Michael independently. But as a solo artist, he definitely peaked from 1979-1991, from a popularity and commercial standpoint if you ask me. Alot of people say that his decline started when Bad came out and I disagree with that statement. But he wasn't that far off with the release of Off The Wall. That was a BIG album as well. Michael was definitely popular off of the releases of Destiny, Off The Wall, and Triumph. But Thriller was the icing on the cake!

smh... thankyou..

mjscarousal said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Whether or not it's true is irrelevant, one could still argue that it is.

Youve lost all credibility smooth and Im exactly kinda disappointed cause I had a lil crush on you anybody can argue anything but this conversation is on what MOST people assume and facts. MOST people argue what I posted. Ive gotten into HEATED discussions and conversations with non MJ fans in real life and on different boards that will atest to OTW, Thriller AND BAD being the height of Michaels popularity... thats in MOST cases.. some have argued Dangerous and History which once again Michael was near 40 He was over 30 in BOTH cases.. in an argued case and factually.

OK, I've lost all credibility for saying that someone might have a different opinion on something? ALLright... You know I do agree with you.

[Edited 12/7/11 17:06pm]

silverchild said:

mjscarousal said:

Still not true...

Most people arguably connect the three Q albums (Quincy Jone projects) OTW, Thriller and BAD and suggest that was the height of popularity.. (which I STILL disagree with not to mention people always suggest these are his best works because of the collab with Quincy and ironically Michael was around 30 when BAD CAME out so he still was OVER 30 arguably if this was to be true

But technically

BEFORE Thriller, Off The Wall came out AND Michael was not nearly as popular as he was with Thriller.. OTW sold well but not nearly as much as it did when Thriller came out... By the time Thriller came out he was around the age you are suggesting is arguably where he peaked between 21-25 which is bullshit sorry...Thats when his popularity really took off as a SOLO act anyway...

I agree wholeheartly with mj! Michael was already an established fixture in the industry by the time Off The Wall came out in the summer of '79. But I'd like to also include that The Jacksons' Destiny made a large dent in the R&B landscape and reclaimed interest in Michael and the brothers in the pop waters. People were quite amazed at the creative resurgence that came over the brothers Jackson and Michael independently. But as a solo artist, he definitely peaked from 1979-1991, from a popularity and commercial standpoint if you ask me. Alot of people say that his decline started when Bad came out and I disagree with that statement. But he wasn't that far off with the release of Off The Wall. That was a BIG album as well. Michael was definitely popular off of the releases of Destiny, Off The Wall, and Triumph. But Thriller was the icing on the cake!

All I said is that someone may have a different viewpoint.

I can see why people are saying that the album performed poorly. Flop singles aside, this is by far her best album to date. It's too bad her daddy isn't around anymore to buy grammys because with 4, she actually deserves some.

[Edited 12/7/11 17:43pm]

Cerebus said:

Terrib3Towel said:

Beyonce's Dangerously in love shipped about 4,688,000 in the U.S.

What do I win?

Or is that considered 5x platium?

Shipped is not the same as scanned. Since the advent of SoundScan in the early nineties we are able to count the actual number of units sold, verses the bloated shipped number. I worked in record stores for a long time and I can also tell you that sales totals don't take into acount returns.

Yep! Shipped does not equal Sold. Labels just put those shipped numbers out there to hype up certain artists. It doesn't count when 4 million are shipped but 3 million end up being shipped back to the record company because the shit didn't sell.

mjscarousal said:

You know what I find funny?

Its the SAME hyprocrites people that will always be quick to criticize better artists with more artistic merit and obvious talent BUT when it comes to Beyonce they are quick to say people love to bash her, etc.

ITS TIRED...

NO ONE is bashing her... Her album sales compared to her other albums were slower and while it will still reach a million it was not well received by the public... period... Someone made a thread and folks responded.. its music discussion..

Alot of you people make posts based on what other people think on here, based on how often someone high fives you or agrees, dont wanna come off as a basher/complainer and for some reason think its "cool" to cheerlead what is popular because on a site like this its the "unpopular" thing to do.. its beyond annoying.. some of you should just make the posts YOU want and not worry about how others will perceive it..

To be completely honest whether it sells 1 million or doesnt move.... there were BETTER r&b albums OVERALL this year... Jill, Marsha, Adele etc..

[Edited 12/7/11 15:44pm]

Boy... YOU CRAY CRAY

How was her album poorly received by the public when...

It went #1

Stayed #1 on it's second week

It's going platinum

One of the best selling albums of the year

It became her most critically acclaimed album

Now actually answer that, or don't respond to me at all, cuz guess what? In 2011 going platinum means it was well received.

Let's see you go platinum. Until then STAY CUTE.

Going platinum is a success. Period.

Timmy84 said:

Going platinum is a success. Period.

Especially in this sales climate.

RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

You know what I find funny?

Its the SAME hyprocrites people that will always be quick to criticize better artists with more artistic merit and obvious talent BUT when it comes to Beyonce they are quick to say people love to bash her, etc.

ITS TIRED...

NO ONE is bashing her... Her album sales compared to her other albums were slower and while it will still reach a million it was not well received by the public... period... Someone made a thread and folks responded.. its music discussion..

Alot of you people make posts based on what other people think on here, based on how often someone high fives you or agrees, dont wanna come off as a basher/complainer and for some reason think its "cool" to cheerlead what is popular because on a site like this its the "unpopular" thing to do.. its beyond annoying.. some of you should just make the posts YOU want and not worry about how others will perceive it..

To be completely honest whether it sells 1 million or doesnt move.... there were BETTER r&b albums OVERALL this year... Jill, Marsha, Adele etc..

[Edited 12/7/11 15:44pm]

Boy... YOU CRAY CRAY

How was her album poorly received by the public when...

It went #1

Stayed #1 on it's second week

It's going platinum

One of the best selling albums of the year

It became her most critically acclaimed album

Now actually answer that, or don't respond to me at all, cuz guess what? In 2011 going platinum means it was well received.

Let's see you go platinum. Until then STAY CUTE.

Boy YOU PRESSED PRESSED LOL I see you still tripping...

When will you get that through your thick small obsessed krazy ass Beyonce brain??? Post more statistics or grammys you think she might win.. I DONT GIVE A FUCK... EVERYONE has said it is going to eventually sell a million and when it does or sales more I STILL WONT GIVE A FUCK LOL Cause SELLS DONT reflect Quality something I wouldnt expect you to know nothing about...

If Adele can still be beautiful make authentic music keep her clothes on not overexpose herself and stay true to her artisty AND still SELL UNLIKE Beyonce then ANYBODY with artistic merit can...

I have to much dignity and respect for myself and as a young woman to do half the shit most of these female pop tarts do just to be mainstream and sell alot of records which means nothing at the end of the day....

LMAO at alot of these comments... Beyonce is backed up by a machine... its easy for her to sell if she wants to... other artist acts are not backed with the same marketing.. Yall talk as if everyone is backed by the same marketing...

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[Edited 12/7/11 18:01pm]

musicjunky318 said:

Timmy84 said:

Going platinum is a success. Period.

Especially in this sales climate.

Hell even going gold.