It's only a two edge sword in the sense that the chinese got acces to the WTO in return of submitting to western based rules they do not share at all.

Not exactly a two edge sword that cuts just as deep on both sides.

Yeah its just you and me left now

Let's just get back to discussing MJ and Madonna's superbowl performance

Tremolina said:

Yeah its just you and me left now

Let's just get back to discussing MJ and Madonna's superbowl performance

I am not a football fan but how was it? Was Nikki Minaj performing?

^ me neither and I couldn't care less!

actually I think she hasn't performed even yet!

So, what do we talk about now

angel345 said:

So, what do we talk about now

we need somebody to disagree and argue with us

or give an opinion on this:

This begs the questions:

Will globalisation - next to the internet (which is the ultimate form of it) - change the way we perceive intellectual property for good?

And: Will the industry be able to adapt and survive, or will it go down in a global pool of greed, incompetence and piracy?

Or: Will we, including China who knows how, "crack down" on the internet and the billions of people with their computers who make it?

Tremolina said:

angel345 said:

So, what do we talk about now

we need somebody to disagree and argue with us

or give an opinion on this:

This begs the questions:

Will globalisation - next to the internet (which is the ultimate form of it) - change the way we perceive intellectual property for good?

And: Will the industry be able to adapt and survive, or will it go down in a global pool of greed, incompetence and piracy?

Or: Will we, including China who knows how, "crack down" on the internet and the billions of people with their computers who make it?

There's so many changes that people are trying to adapt or not want to adapt. Things take absolute time. Will the record industry survive? Well, that depends on if they want it to survive. The industry is sinking, and even Stevie Wonder could see that. But then someone needs to chime in

[Edited 11/19/11 14:36pm]

who would that 'someone' be?

I think you've pretty much shut this thread down with your list. Her term paper is done

[Edited 11/20/11 19:18pm]

I'm still lurking and reading and interested in the recording industry!

Dave1992 said:

I'm still lurking and reading and interested in the recording industry!

Cool. And even better, you are a musician, so your opinion is even more interesting to me. What do you think dave? Is the industry and the world's mentality changing for the better of copyright or to its detriment? Where do you see solutions?

angel345 said:

I think you've pretty much shut this thread down with your list. Her term paper is done

With MY work eh?

Tremolina said:

Dave1992 said:

I'm still lurking and reading and interested in the recording industry!

Cool. And even better, you are a musician, so your opinion is even more interesting to me. What do you think dave? Is the industry and the world's mentality changing for the better of copyright or to its detriment? Where do you see solutions?

My experience and access to information is limited, so I can't really tell.

I can talk about theory, though.

Let's take China as an example. You correctly pointed out that the "losses" made there are not actual "losses", because the potential gain is hardly realistic there. We also don't want to lose their interest in music overall (even if they don't pay for it), because we'd lose them as potential customers. So there's no point in simply trying to shut that whole market down.

What I can imagine myself doing (speaking as a musician) is to either recognise myself as a big enough artist and people in China as a big enough market for me to tour that country and sell albums as part of the ticket price (like many artists, including Prince, did already).

If I'm not big enough as an artist anyway the mentality about copyright in China can't be a major concern to me and the potential losses cannot be that big.

You can't change a whole society (even if I personally try to show my audience the real value of music etc).

It's an easy "solution", although Im well aware it only concern a very small part of a huge net of different problems, but from a musician's point of view this is what I can imagine myself doing. I'm a bit of a limited expert when it comes to this topic.

Tremolina said:

angel345 said:

I think you've pretty much shut this thread down with your list. Her term paper is done

With MY work eh?

She didn't come back

angel345 said:

Tremolina said:

With MY work eh?

She didn't come back

You are right she didn't.

Dave1992 said:

Tremolina said:

Cool. And even better, you are a musician, so your opinion is even more interesting to me. What do you think dave? Is the industry and the world's mentality changing for the better of copyright or to its detriment? Where do you see solutions?

My experience and access to information is limited, so I can't really tell.

I can talk about theory, though.

Let's take China as an example. You correctly pointed out that the "losses" made there are not actual "losses", because the potential gain is hardly realistic there. We also don't want to lose their interest in music overall (even if they don't pay for it), because we'd lose them as potential customers. So there's no point in simply trying to shut that whole market down.

What I can imagine myself doing (speaking as a musician) is to either recognise myself as a big enough artist and people in China as a big enough market for me to tour that country and sell albums as part of the ticket price (like many artists, including Prince, did already).

If I'm not big enough as an artist anyway the mentality about copyright in China can't be a major concern to me and the potential losses cannot be that big.

You can't change a whole society (even if I personally try to show my audience the real value of music etc).

It's an easy "solution", although Im well aware it only concern a very small part of a huge net of different problems, but from a musician's point of view this is what I can imagine myself doing. I'm a bit of a limited expert when it comes to this topic.

Haha Well, to clear up any and all misunderstandings, my question to you personally is more along the lines of how you as a musician feel about the threats and opportunities of the internet and the nature and future of the western based music industry. I understand of course that your knowledge is limit on china and world trade issues and don't expect you to be an expert on anything really. Just very interested in your view as a musician on the way 'globalisation' hits you 'at home'.

Tremolina said:

angel345 said:

She didn't come back

You are right she didn't.

Look at it like this: if she gets an 'A', she would probably come back and thank you for it

She better!

And pay me my royalties

No of course not, but credit would be nice and required of course, for a serious paper.

You know, when PURplEMaPLeSyrup's would really do this, that would sum this whole thread up in a nutshell...

Tremolina said:

She better!

And pay me my royalties

No of course not, but credit would be nice and required of course, for a serious paper.

You know, when PURplEMaPLeSyrup's would really do this, that would sum this whole thread up in a nutshell...

And she will give you a hug

[Edited 11/21/11 16:46pm]

hey i'm really not writing a paper, just being my usual ignorant curious self! but 2gether uall could start a revolution about this matter. thanks and hugs to every1, this may take me months to digest...

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

hey i'm really not writing a paper, just being my usual ignorant curious self! but 2gether uall could start a revolution about this matter. thanks and hugs to every1, this may take me months to digest...

It's Trem's fault

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

hey i'm really not writing a paper, just being my usual ignorant curious self! but 2gether uall could start a revolution about this matter. thanks and hugs to every1, this may take me months to digest...

Can I have one for myself?

angel345 said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

hey i'm really not writing a paper, just being my usual ignorant curious self! but 2gether uall could start a revolution about this matter. thanks and hugs to every1, this may take me months to digest...

It's Trem's fault

I just can't help myself

Tremolina said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

hey i'm really not writing a paper, just being my usual ignorant curious self! but 2gether uall could start a revolution about this matter. thanks and hugs to every1, this may take me months to digest...

Can I have one for myself?

thats 4 U

[Edited 11/24/11 12:33pm]

Tremolina said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

hey i'm really not writing a paper, just being my usual ignorant curious self! but 2gether uall could start a revolution about this matter. thanks and hugs to every1, this may take me months to digest...

Can I have one for myself?

Aww

Tremolina said:

angel345 said:

It's Trem's fault

I just can't help myself

I know , but starting a revolution? Perhaps you and Kate Bush can start one