ALL Y'ALL SHUT THE FUCK UP!

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RKJCNE said:

aardvark15 said:

Madonna hasn't been big in years. Yeah 4 Minutes was a hit but not the album itself. More Successful Tours? Michael has the most successful tours in music history, more hits? Next to Glee, Elvis has the largest amount of songs to get into the Hot 100. Also he was 18 Number One hits! The most of anybody on the U.S charts. I am a fan of Madonna but saying that she is more successful than MJ and Elvis is just ignorant.

Sticky & Sweet was the most successfull solo tour of all time, topping her previous. I think that counts as being pretty big in the past couple years.

Madonna is second to the Beatles in terms of chart success. Not counting Glee.

Automatically putting Madonna far behind MJ and Elvis is sexist.

It's not sexist. She's great just not as big. Sticky & Sweet isn't the most successful tour by a solo artist. It's the 2nd. And by big I mean studio wise. anybody with a world known name came have a big tour. Doesn't mean the albums sell

Timmy84 said:

ALL Y'ALL SHUT THE FUCK UP!

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READ THIS

^ Heh I was addressing it in general. The fuck is talking about sales gonna do but add 100 pages?!

THINK ABOUT YOUR ACTIONS PEOPLE!

Also check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ic_artists

aardvark15 said:

RKJCNE said:

Sticky & Sweet was the most successfull solo tour of all time, topping her previous. I think that counts as being pretty big in the past couple years.

Madonna is second to the Beatles in terms of chart success. Not counting Glee.

Automatically putting Madonna far behind MJ and Elvis is sexist.

It's not sexist. She's great just not as big. Sticky & Sweet isn't the most successful tour by a solo artist. It's the 2nd. And by big I mean studio wise. anybody with a world known name came have a big tour. Doesn't mean the albums sell

Ill post this AGAIN

Confessions: 8 - 12 millions sold

The Sticky & Sweet Tour broke many records in terms of its ticket sales, commercial gross and audience attendance. After the first leg, it became the highest grossing tour by a solo artist, earning $282 million, breaking the previous record Madonna herself held with her Confessions Tour. Overall, Madonna performed to over 3.5 million fans in 32 countries, grossing a total of US$408 million, making it also the fourth highest grossing tour of all time, only behind U2's U2 360° Tour, AC/DC's Black Ice World Tour and The Rolling Stones's A Bigger Bang Tour. It still remains the highest grossing tour by a solo artist. At the 2009 Billboard Touring Awards, the Sticky & Sweet Tour won the Top Tour and Top Draw prizes, which acknowledge the highest-grossing and highest-attended tours of the year, respectively. Madonna's manager Guy Oseary won the Top Manager award.

You know, I wouldn't mind the OP telling all of y'all to kiss her ass for fucking her thread up.

Thanks a lot stans.

Timmy84 said:

You know, I wouldn't mind the OP telling all of y'all to kiss her ass for fucking her thread up.

Thanks a lot stans.

sounds like fun

aardvark15 said:

RKJCNE said:

Sticky & Sweet was the most successfull solo tour of all time, topping her previous. I think that counts as being pretty big in the past couple years.

Madonna is second to the Beatles in terms of chart success. Not counting Glee.

Automatically putting Madonna far behind MJ and Elvis is sexist.

It's not sexist. She's great just not as big. Sticky & Sweet isn't the most successful tour by a solo artist. It's the 2nd. And by big I mean studio wise. anybody with a world known name came have a big tour. Doesn't mean the albums sell

Yes it was

Tours mean alot more success these days then album sales, even still 25+ years into her career she still got a top 5 single and a #1 album.

JoeTyler said:

Timmy84 said:

You know, I wouldn't mind the OP telling all of y'all to kiss her ass for fucking her thread up.

Thanks a lot stans.

sounds like fun

You WOULD like that shit, wouldn't you? [img:$uid]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/71.gif[/img:$uid]

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Timmy84 said:

JoeTyler said:

sounds like fun

You WOULD like that shit, wouldn't you? [img:$uid]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/71.gif[/img:$uid]

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as long as it's clean

JoeTyler said:

Timmy84 said:

You WOULD like that shit, wouldn't you? [img:$uid]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/71.gif[/img:$uid]

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as long as it's clean

RKJCNE said:

LiLi1992 said:

I understand that you're a fan of Madonna, but assume that she is more successful than Michael and Elvis - really weird.

Longer career, more successful tours, more hits, crossover success in film, successfull label, etc.

It's not weird. It's common knowledge.

More successful tours??
More successful on what parameters?
Only fans of Madonna's compare the absolute figures. Properly take into account market conditions.

Highest Grossing Tours adjusted with inflation of Tickets Price
(in USD millions per show Adjusted with 2008 price)

1 Rolling Stones - Voodoo Lounge (1994-1995) 862
2 Pink Floyd - Division Bell (1994). 673
3 Rolling Stones - Bridges To Babylon (1997-1998) 615
4 Rolling Stones - Bigger Bang (2005-2007) 610
5 Rolling Stones - Steel Wheels (1989-1990) 572
6 Michael Jackson - Bad (1987-1989) 561
7 Rolling Stones - 1981-1982 Tour (1981-1982) 480
8 Rolling Stones - Licks (2002-2003) 429
9 Michael Jackson - History (1996-1997) 428
10 U2 - Vertigo (2005-2006) 425

Biggest Tours by Attendance

(in 000's)

1 Rolling Stones - Steel Wheels (1989-1990) 6500
2 Rolling Stones - Voodoo Lounge (1994-1995) 6400
3 Guns N Roses - Use Your Illusion (1991-1993) 5800
4 Pink Floyd - Division Bell (1994.) 5500
5 U2 - ZooTV (1992-1993) 5400
6 Rolling Stones - 1981-1982 Tour (1981-1982) 4900
7 Rolling Stones - Bigger Bang (2005-2007) 4800
8 U2 - Vertigo (2005-2006) 4620
9 Rolling Stones - Bridges To Babylon (1997-1998) 4577
10 Michael Jackson - History (1996-1997) 4500

Your knowledge - is wrong.

Best selling music artists of all time (data for 2006)
The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) just released their updated figures.
01. The Beatles 40 + 400,000,000 UK 60s (1962-1970) Rock / Pop Guinness
02. Michael Jackson 14 350,000,000 US 70s-00s (1979 -) Pop / R & B
03 Elvis Presley 150 + 300,000,000 US 50s-70s (1956-1977) Country / Rock
04. Madonna 16 275,000,000 US 80s-00s (1984 -) Pop

Madonna was named the Guinness World Record's most successful female artist ever. But the most successful artist in general was named Jackson.
To put her behind the Beatles, Elvis and Michael does not sexism - it's just a statement of the facts!

The most successful solo act, obviously, Jackson OR Presley. But I can not decide who exactly.

Sorry, Timmy!

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LiLi1992 said:

RKJCNE said:

Longer career, more successful tours, more hits, crossover success in film, successfull label, etc.

It's not weird. It's common knowledge.

More successful tours??
More successful on what parameters?
Only fans of Madonna's compare the absolute figures. Properly take into account market conditions.

Highest Grossing Tours adjusted with inflation of Tickets Price
(in USD millions per show Adjusted with 2008 price)

1 Rolling Stones - Voodoo Lounge (1994-1995) 862
2 Pink Floyd - Division Bell (1994). 673
3 Rolling Stones - Bridges To Babylon (1997-1998) 615
4 Rolling Stones - Bigger Bang (2005-2007) 610
5 Rolling Stones - Steel Wheels (1989-1990) 572
6 Michael Jackson - Bad (1987-1989) 561
7 Rolling Stones - 1981-1982 Tour (1981-1982) 480
8 Rolling Stones - Licks (2002-2003) 429
9 Michael Jackson - History (1996-1997) 428
10 U2 - Vertigo (2005-2006) 425

Biggest Tours by Attendance

(in 000's)

1 Rolling Stones - Steel Wheels (1989-1990) 6500
2 Rolling Stones - Voodoo Lounge (1994-1995) 6400
3 Guns N Roses - Use Your Illusion (1991-1993) 5800
4 Pink Floyd - Division Bell (1994.) 5500
5 U2 - ZooTV (1992-1993) 5400
6 Rolling Stones - 1981-1982 Tour (1981-1982) 4900
7 Rolling Stones - Bigger Bang (2005-2007) 4800
8 U2 - Vertigo (2005-2006) 4620
9 Rolling Stones - Bridges To Babylon (1997-1998) 4577
10 Michael Jackson - History (1996-1997) 4500

Your sources SUCK. YOU are wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...cert_tours

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IDRAG4MJ said:

chamber said:

Madonna was still becoming "Madonna" when that thing was being assembled. My guess is that she wasn't invited. if she cared about being snubbed, then I'm sure she got a kick out of the fact that "Crazy For You" bumped "We Are the World" out of the #1 spot.

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we are the world still out sold crazy for you 30x

When you have some of the biggest acts of the day on one song, I would expect it to. However, "Crazy For You" still gets healthy recurrent airplay and has gone on to become an AC staple...I can't recall the last time I heard "We Are the World" played anywhere. Probably not since before the 1990s.

Timmy84 said:

SoulAlive said:

there's the answer

What's amazing to me is,how many 'big' names either weren't invited or chose not to be a part of it...

Aretha Franklin - probably chose not to be a part of it

Luther Vandross - invited but probably was too busy to do it

Patti LaBelle - she's ALWAYS saying she was going to do something as eventful as this and probably said "but I was never invited" (then again was she at the American Music Awards at all?)

Donna Summer - Invited but probably had other options like her babies

Rick James - I couldn't see Rick wanting to be a part of it!

What's ironic about Donna not participating is....

Her 1982 song "State Of Independence" (produced by Quincy Jones) is actually where Quincy got the inspiration for 'We Are The World' For that song,he assembled an "all-star choir" and it worked out so well,he did the exact same thing for We Are The World.

as for Rick James.....I know he was cool with Quincy and Michael but with his wild reputation,they probably didn't wanna bring any controversy to this project

JoeTyler said:

LiLi1992 said:

More successful tours??
More successful on what parameters?
Only fans of Madonna's compare the absolute figures. Properly take into account market conditions.

Highest Grossing Tours adjusted with inflation of Tickets Price
(in USD millions per show Adjusted with 2008 price)

1 Rolling Stones - Voodoo Lounge (1994-1995) 862
2 Pink Floyd - Division Bell (1994). 673
3 Rolling Stones - Bridges To Babylon (1997-1998) 615
4 Rolling Stones - Bigger Bang (2005-2007) 610
5 Rolling Stones - Steel Wheels (1989-1990) 572
6 Michael Jackson - Bad (1987-1989) 561
7 Rolling Stones - 1981-1982 Tour (1981-1982) 480
8 Rolling Stones - Licks (2002-2003) 429
9 Michael Jackson - History (1996-1997) 428
10 U2 - Vertigo (2005-2006) 425

Biggest Tours by Attendance

(in 000's)

1 Rolling Stones - Steel Wheels (1989-1990) 6500
2 Rolling Stones - Voodoo Lounge (1994-1995) 6400
3 Guns N Roses - Use Your Illusion (1991-1993) 5800
4 Pink Floyd - Division Bell (1994.) 5500
5 U2 - ZooTV (1992-1993) 5400
6 Rolling Stones - 1981-1982 Tour (1981-1982) 4900
7 Rolling Stones - Bigger Bang (2005-2007) 4800
8 U2 - Vertigo (2005-2006) 4620
9 Rolling Stones - Bridges To Babylon (1997-1998) 4577
10 Michael Jackson - History (1996-1997) 4500

Your sources SUCK. YOU are wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...cert_tours

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I'm not talking about absolute numbers.

Good! Where is your data, taking into account inflation?
Let's compare!
Recent tours have been to Jackson in 1997. Let's compare the fees Jackson's tours and Madonna`s tours in the 90s .... When they were two touring artist, Jackson has always collected more money. It's just a fact.
Average price of concert ticket in 2008: $ 67.33
Average price of concert ticket in 1997: $ 29.81
Compare absolute figures - laughable!! It is impossible to ignore market fluctuations and general conditions.
Jackson has the maximum number of viewers was 4.5 million people, Madonna - 3.5

LiLi1992 said:

JoeTyler said:

Your sources SUCK. YOU are wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...cert_tours

[Edited 10/23/11 10:50am]

I'm not talking about absolute numbers.

Good! Where is your data, taking into account inflation?
Let's compare!
Recent tours have been to Jackson in 1997. Let's compare the fees Jackson's tours and Madonna`s tours in the 90s .... When they were two touring artist, Jackson has always collected more money. It's just a fact.
Average price of concert ticket in 2008: $ 67.33
Average price of concert ticket in 1997: $ 29.81
Compare absolute figures - laughable!! It is impossible to ignore market fluctuations and general conditions.
Jackson has the maximum number of viewers was 4.5 million people, Madonna - 3.5

the link I posted speaks for itself!

Timmy84 said:

leave Elvis and Michael out of this discussion.

Exactly.STAY ON TOPIC,FOLKS!

JoeTyler said:

LiLi1992 said:

I'm not talking about absolute numbers.

Good! Where is your data, taking into account inflation?
Let's compare!
Recent tours have been to Jackson in 1997. Let's compare the fees Jackson's tours and Madonna`s tours in the 90s .... When they were two touring artist, Jackson has always collected more money. It's just a fact.
Average price of concert ticket in 2008: $ 67.33
Average price of concert ticket in 1997: $ 29.81
Compare absolute figures - laughable!! It is impossible to ignore market fluctuations and general conditions.
Jackson has the maximum number of viewers was 4.5 million people, Madonna - 3.5

the link I posted speaks for itself!

Sorry, but you studied in school economics and marketing??
You brought absolute terms.
Illiterate compare fees for concert tours in the 00-ies and 90-ies, because ticket prices on average rose by 2.5 times, inflation was about 50%.

I know the absolute data, you're right there.
I brought the data for inflation and ticket prices. The data from the Economic Journal.
Competently compare data for a period of time. Because the grossing tours Beatles in the 60s were great, now it's a penny.

The number of spectators at the concerts - more than a constant. And Michael is strongly superior in this aspect.

We're talking about different things, but both are correct.
Once you show only the numbers, I show the numbers that are calculated by economists considering market fluctuations that have occurred over 10 years.

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I told you,STAY ON TOPIC,please.This thread is not about Elvis,Michael Jackson,or sold-out world tours

Was she at the American Music Awards that year? I think WATW happened partly because all those artists were there for that show or the Grammys or whatever it was.

BUt yeah in retrospect, having La Toya and Randy--not to mention Dan Akroyd!!--and not Madonna seems a bit of a mistake

NDRU said:

Was she at the American Music Awards that year? I think WATW happened partly because all those artists were there for that show or the Grammys or whatever it was.

BUt yeah in retrospect, having La Toya and Randy--not to mention Dan Akroyd!!--and not Madonna seems a bit of a mistake

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related

SoulAlive said:

I told you,STAY ON TOPIC,please.This thread is not about Elvis,Michael Jackson,or sold-out world tours

Sorry, but this is "the most successful solo act" - an obvious lie and a provocation!
If on, then I do not know why Madge was not involved, but I think she had the reputation of "bad" girl then, so a social project and she - were incompatible things

dont turn this into a MJ vrs madonna ..thread because madonna fans will loose ..

JoeTyler said:

NDRU said:

Was she at the American Music Awards that year? I think WATW happened partly because all those artists were there for that show or the Grammys or whatever it was.

BUt yeah in retrospect, having La Toya and Randy--not to mention Dan Akroyd!!--and not Madonna seems a bit of a mistake

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related

OUTRAGEOUS!!

SoulAlive said:

Timmy84 said:

What's ironic about Donna not participating is....

Her 1982 song "State Of Independence" (produced by Quincy Jones) is actually where Quincy got the inspiration for 'We Are The World' For that song,he assembled an "all-star choir" and it worked out so well,he did the exact same thing for We Are The World.

Like I said she probably wanted to go home and raise her family.

LiLi1992 said:

SoulAlive said:

I told you,STAY ON TOPIC,please.This thread is not about Elvis,Michael Jackson,or sold-out world tours

Sorry, but this is "the most successful solo act" - an obvious lie and a provocation!
If on, then I do not know why Madge was not involved, but I think she had the reputation of "bad" girl then, so a social project and she - were incompatible things

That don't give you a right to bitch about it though. Same with the others bringing it up. Just stop it.

RKJCNE said:

aardvark15 said:

Madonna hasn't been big in years. Yeah 4 Minutes was a hit but not the album itself. More Successful Tours? Michael has the most successful tours in music history, more hits? Next to Glee, Elvis has the largest amount of songs to get into the Hot 100. Also he was 18 Number One hits! The most of anybody on the U.S charts. I am a fan of Madonna but saying that she is more successful than MJ and Elvis is just ignorant.

Sticky & Sweet was the most successfull solo tour of all time, topping her previous. I think that counts as being pretty big in the past couple years.

Madonna is second to the Beatles in terms of chart success. Not counting Glee.

Automatically putting Madonna far behind MJ and Elvis is sexist.