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Thread started 09/27/11 11:42pm

Inez6

I wonder how Prince feels about Sly Stone being homeless

The music industry does not come with a manuel. Some people invest the money they make and some think it will last for ever. I wonder how an artist feels about finding out someone they looked up to at some point is homeless..... I mean what do you really do if you were in his shoes? Do you reach out to healp or do you turn a cheek? especially if drugs are involved.

What would you do?

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Reply #1 posted 09/28/11 12:16am

Heidi

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what on earth are you talking about?

Doesn't Larry live in the house next to Prince in MN?

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Reply #2 posted 09/28/11 12:27am

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Sly supposedly has hundreds of songs in his rv camper. Sounds a lot like Prince in that regard, both sitting on unreleased music. I am glad Prince isn't the homeless one. I am sad for Sly's decline, maybe he's just beyond caring about Earthly gain. I hope they both find their happiness, and release the music.
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Reply #3 posted 09/28/11 12:27am

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Heidi said:

what on earth are you talking about?

Doesn't Larry live in the house next to Prince in MN?

err, Larry /= Sly.

Sly's daughter, who creates music under the name BabyStone, tweeted this the other day:

@BabyStoneMusic

if someone CHOOSES to live in a camper van, that doesn't necessarily make them "homeless" FYI. #holdyourjudgment

If I were in Prince's shoes? I would base my decisions on my understanding of the situation, which is no doubt vastly greater than the understanding I have right now.

What I do know is that there are a lot of ways to help the ones you care about, and not all of those ways involve money, or even "reaching out" in the traditional sense.

[Edited 9/28/11 0:29am]

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Reply #4 posted 09/28/11 12:28am

Inez6

Unfortunately there was a post on TMZ that said Sly Stone was homeless. It also reported that he sold his publishing rights to Michael Jackson for a million dollars in the 80's which was a really dumb move. I guess he didn't have a good business manager. Um. Yeah look into it hunny.

[Edited 9/28/11 0:29am]

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Reply #5 posted 09/28/11 12:40am

Inez6

Please don't take what I said out of content..... What I am trying to say is I wondered how someone felt about finding out how some one they were influenced by is doing in this day and age. Don't twist my words...

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Reply #6 posted 09/28/11 1:35am

DoffieParker

i think prince would offer him jehova when all sly wants is cocaine & drugs & women

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Reply #7 posted 09/28/11 1:44am

SoulAlive

Report: Sly Stone Homeless, Living in Van

September 2011

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If Sly Stone ever decides to take his show on the road and tour again, at least he won't have to walk far to the van.

The Sly & the Family Stone frontman, known for such hits in the lte '60s and early '70s as "Dance to the Music," "Everyday People" and "Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin)," is currently homeless, and living in a van in Los Angeles' rough-and-tumble Crenshaw district, according to a report co-written by Stone documentarian William Alkema for the New York Post.

According to the article, as little as four years ago, the 68-year-old musician -- born Sylvester Stewart -- lived in a lavish Napa Valley home complete with a vineyard, and had several cars.

But in recent years, a drug habit (Stone has been arrested multiple times for cocaine possession) and fiscal difficulties (last year he sued his former manager, Jerry Goldstein, for $50 million, claiming that Goldstein had defrauded him) led Stone into his current situation.

Not that he appears to mind.

“I like my small camper,” Stone tells the Post. “I just do not want to return to a fixed home. I cannot stand being in one place. I must keep moving.”

And despite it all, he's still recording music, on a laptop computer in his van -- and with reportedly hundreds of songs currently in the can, the musician is hoping that today's hit-makers will reach out and help him stage a comeback.

“I see all the guys playing those old songs," Stone says. "Let these guys know, like Lady Gaga, let me come in, just let me come in and pay me if you like it.”

It might be a while before Stone gets another crack at the stage.

His live performances have been exceedingly rare over the past two decades, and when he has taken the stage, the results have tended toward the shambolic -- such as his brief, bizarre appearance at last year's Coachella Music and Arts Festival.

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Reply #8 posted 09/28/11 6:05am

SodaShoes

Hey, I pray for the guy's god-speed resue.

I know what it's like to need one of those.

It's an uphill climb to the finish line.
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Reply #9 posted 09/28/11 6:25am

TrevorAyer

I wonder if Prince pays Sly everytime he covers Sly at his shows, which is a lot of the time

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Reply #10 posted 09/28/11 6:40am

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TrevorAyer said:

I wonder if Prince pays Sly everytime he covers Sly at his shows, which is a lot of the time

He would be paying MJ's estate, since Sly's publishing was sold to Michael.

That's why if you buy the re-releases of the classic Sly material, the credits have been changed so it says "MiJac Music".

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Reply #11 posted 09/28/11 8:26am

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Sly needs rehab. It's amazing that 40 years of abusing cocaine and alcohol haven't killed him already... So sad. sad

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Reply #12 posted 09/28/11 8:40am

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Chiquetet said:

Heidi said:

what on earth are you talking about?

Doesn't Larry live in the house next to Prince in MN?

err, Larry /= Sly.

Sly's daughter, who creates music under the name BabyStone, tweeted this the other day:

@BabyStoneMusic

if someone CHOOSES to live in a camper van, that doesn't necessarily make them "homeless" FYI. #holdyourjudgment

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Reply #13 posted 09/28/11 9:08am

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What does it say about the situation when the Family tours without Sly and has to do a show?

(yes, please provide backgrounds about the recent Melkweg show that was moved to the Paradiso...)

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Reply #14 posted 09/28/11 10:27am

aardvark15

If I was Prince I'd think "I'm next". This happened to George and Rick. Well after Sly the only funk icon left is Prince.

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Reply #15 posted 09/28/11 10:40am

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aardvark15 said:

If I was Prince I'd think "I'm next". This happened to George and Rick. Well after Sly the only funk icon left is Prince.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Sly is where he is now (as are the others) as a result of his own choices. It's not like someone took what he had and threw him out.

Whether Prince is next is, likewise, his own choice. And I doubt that is a choice he will make.

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Reply #16 posted 09/28/11 11:51am

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He's not homeless - http://www.showbiz411.com...s-paid-for

and Sly himself - http://rumorfix.com/2011/...-a-new-rv/

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His only visible problems lie within body abuse and some bad decisions coming back to haunt him. I do find it a mystery how his voice has gone completely gravely in just a year though. Could be a simple explanation for it, i only wonder due to the new music.

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Reply #17 posted 09/28/11 11:54am

frenchylatina

maybe prince is disappointed at him for what he has become over the years (unlike larry)

but then again he never mentions sly in recent interviews and who knows what he really thinks of sly today and what larry has said about sly to him.

also i heard some former bandmembers are reaching out to sly to help him

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Reply #18 posted 09/28/11 1:46pm

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DoffieParker said:

i think prince would offer him jehova when all sly wants is cocaine & drugs & women

Cocaine AND drugs? Wow. Sly is even worse off than I thought.

Actually, Sly claimed in 2008 to have been clean for a number of years aside from the occasional beer. That doesn't mean it's true, but that's what he said. Also, if he's living in an RV it doesn't mean he's broke or homeless. A lot of people my grandparents age sold their homes when they retired, bought an RV and traveled the US. I don't know Sly's situation, of course, but neither do any of you.

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Reply #19 posted 09/28/11 1:54pm

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Mike didn't buy anything from Sly. His songs were part of the ATV catalogue, the same as Dion's, The Beatles, Elvis Presley's, etc. Mike offered Sly his publishing back for free, but Sly declined. Mike also gave Little Richard (who was also part of ATV) his songs back.

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Reply #20 posted 09/28/11 2:27pm

luvsexy4all

i wonder how prince feels about one of his best supporters being homeless

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Reply #21 posted 09/28/11 3:04pm

nursev

I know Prince feels for Sly, but he is not responsible for every old musician who falls on hard times!
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Reply #22 posted 09/28/11 4:12pm

WetDream

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There's a video of Prince on that site we all know, of a show from the recent Euro tour that shows Prince singing If You Want Me To Stay and Stand! and he says before kickin into Stand! that he's thankful for Sly and the amazing legacy he's left us and that he wishes him the very best. It was about a month after Sly was recently arrested for drug possession.
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Reply #23 posted 09/28/11 4:14pm

SoulAlive

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Sly needs rehab. It's amazing that 40 years of abusing cocaine and alcohol haven't killed him already... So sad. sad

I agree.

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Reply #24 posted 09/28/11 4:25pm

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Genesia said:

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

I don't believe you. hmph!

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Reply #25 posted 09/28/11 4:30pm

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SoulAlive said:

djThunderfunk said:

Sly needs rehab. It's amazing that 40 years of abusing cocaine and alcohol haven't killed him already... So sad. sad

I agree.

Serious help from friends, family and (if you believe such things are necessary, I don't) counselors, too. You don't generally break 40 year behavior patterns by doing 60 days in rehab. If he has an chance of living out his remaining years in a different state of mind it will take constant monitoring and invervention. Unfortunately. its always seemed to me like Sly pushed people so far away that they gave up. And I'm pretty sure this happened a looooong time ago. But he made those decisions, so who are we to judge him? Honestly, I think his business decisions are the only thing that should probably have been questioned at the time. Somebody had to know he was beign taken advantage of.

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Reply #26 posted 09/28/11 4:33pm

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nursev said:

I know Prince feels for Sly, but he is not responsible for every old musician who falls on hard times!

I actually agree with this. Prince has his own issues, worries, problems to deal with. He didn't create any of Sly's problems, so why should he feel like he needs to solve them?

In regards to something somebody said up above, you don't have to pay another artist to perform their song live. That's why there's tribute bands that actually make a pretty good living.

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Reply #27 posted 09/28/11 4:54pm

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On the other thread about this subject in the other artists' forum, someone pointed out that Prince and Larry reached out to Sly at one point and offered help but he turned them down. Also, it seems that there are still some people who care about Sly and still look out for him, even living in a van. The fact that Sly has survived all these years is still a miracle in itself...and there is always room for hope as long as one draws breath on this planet. wink

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Reply #28 posted 09/28/11 5:08pm

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Heidi said:

what on earth are you talking about?

Doesn't Larry live in the house next to Prince in MN?

It seems Larry made a smarter move than Sly.

Does Larry still do drugs secretly? Or did the Jehova's find out about it?

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Reply #29 posted 09/28/11 5:15pm

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Allow me to take this a little further; would it be safe to say that Sly's addiction is the reason that P and Sly have not hooked up musically? I have often wondered about this. How is it that Jesse Johnson played with Sly but not Prince?

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