klick2me said:

Allow me to take this a little further; would it be safe to say that Sly's addiction is the reason that P and Sly have not hooked up musically? I have often wondered about this. How is it that Jesse Johnson played with Sly but not Prince? klick

I don't think so. Why would he hook up with Larry then?

Or does Larry hide his drugs for Prince?

Cerebus said:

Genesia said:

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

I don't believe you.

Yay I have supporter

klick2me said:

Allow me to take this a little further; would it be safe to say that Sly's addiction is the reason that P and Sly have not hooked up musically? I have often wondered about this. How is it that Jesse Johnson played with Sly but not Prince? klick

Sly hasn't played with anybody. That's my point. Other than his brief, weird appearance with a giant mohawk a few years back (that he walked out of in the middle ), he hasn't really hooked up with anybody. I don't think its a matter of Prince or Larry or whoever not wanting to hook up with Sly, its Sly being a recluse and seperating himself from EVERYONE. I mean, really, do you think Prince or Larry would tell Sly no if he called them up? I don't.

HE'S NOT HOMELESS

http://www.showbiz411.com...s-paid-for

Dewrede said:

HE'S NOT HOMELESS

http://www.showbiz411.com...s-paid-for

Rock icon Sly Stone is NOT homeless even though he’s living in a van. The New York Post story that’s caused such a sensation was paid for by the writer of the piece. I can tell you both of these truths are according to a source close to Stone. This isn’t to say that Sly–real name Sylvester Stewart–isn’t in perilous financial shape. It’s also not to say that his $50 million lawsuit against former manager Jerry Goldstein isn’t valid. I’ve been writing about Goldstein’s abuse of Stone for years–I wrote about it in the New York Post at least 15 years ago.

And Goldstein is famous for his financial problems with former clients–the group War is primary among them. But just to clarify–Sly is living in that van by his own choice. My source says that Sly’s attorney, Robert Alan, rented him a very nice home in Woodland Hills, California with four bedrooms, a pool, etc. (Alan declined to comment.) Sly just refuses to go there. Another friend tells me, “Sly always liked living in Winnebagos. He never liked being in a house.”

Indeed, Stone is going to look at a couple of new vans this week, I’m told. And it’s not like he’s living in a beat up panel van. His accommodations are fine for what they are. “He’s too paranoid to come inside,” says a friend. This is the result of 40 years of drug abuse.

But this is the way Stone has operated for more than 25 years–sell anything for quick cash.

There’s so much more about his lawsuit against Goldstein that will come to light soon. Once depositions are completed, and a trial date is set, things will get very interesting.

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Sounds like this writer might not be the most objective, either. This does back up the comment from his daughter, though.

But like I said, Sly has been choosing his own path since the early 70s. I don't think its a case of people not wanting, or trying, to help him at all.

Dewrede said:

HE'S NOT HOMELESS

http://www.showbiz411.com...s-paid-for

[Edited 9/28/11 18:41pm]

Um......didn't He do the same thing putting 2gether THERE'S A RIOT GOIN' ON?????

Maybe there's a MASTERPIECE of that level somewhere in that Van!!!!!!

Let Us Pray.........

WetDream said:

Dewrede said:

HE'S NOT HOMELESS

http://www.showbiz411.com...s-paid-for

Thanks. I posted this along with Sly HIMSELF saying he's not homeless (i also posted the only recent thought Prince expressed on Sly) on the 1st page....Am i invisible?

[Edited 9/28/11 18:41pm]

spin

errant said:

WetDream said:

Thanks. I posted this along with Sly HIMSELF saying he's not homeless (i also posted the only recent thought Prince expressed on Sly) on the 1st page....Am i invisible?

[Edited 9/28/11 18:41pm]

spin

Nah. Insanity.

WetDream said:

Dewrede said:

HE'S NOT HOMELESS

http://www.showbiz411.com...s-paid-for

Thanks. I posted this along with Sly HIMSELF saying he's not homeless (i also posted the only recent thought Prince expressed on Sly) on the 1st page....Am i invisible?

[Edited 9/28/11 18:41pm]

sowwy , hadn't read the whole thread

It seems like Prince should try and help him out. After all Prince has been making a career the last 10 years by CONSTANTLY ramming sly's music down our throat. But I am sure Prince could care less about him in reality

If he could care less, that means he cares. If he couldn't care less... oh... forget it...

I'm wondering if some of the paranoia has more to do with the 3 strikes law in Cali?

It looks like a Roadtrek - which are great for 1-2 people and don't want a gas guzzling RV. They're not cheap either. Go to a swap meet and you'll see some rough looking camper vans.

dandeeland said:

It seems like Prince should try and help him out. After all Prince has been making a career the last 10 years by CONSTANTLY ramming sly's music down our throat. But I am sure Prince could care less about him in reality

Read the thread--in the other artists' forum, one poster stated that Prince and Larry reached out to Sly at one time. Of course, I can't verify that source, but I certainly wouldn't doubt it, considering Larry's history with Sly.

djThunderfunk said:

Sly needs rehab. It's amazing that 40 years of abusing cocaine and alcohol haven't killed him already...

Yes, it really is so inspirational

purplethunder3121 said:

dandeeland said:

It seems like Prince should try and help him out. After all Prince has been making a career the last 10 years by CONSTANTLY ramming sly's music down our throat. But I am sure Prince could care less about him in reality

Read the thread--in the other artists' forum, one poster stated that Prince and Larry reached out to Sly at one time. Of course, I can't verify that source, but I certainly wouldn't doubt it, considering Larry's history with Sly.

Christ the last thing a man needs when he's down is religion! Sending in two JWs? That's just preying on someone whilst their defences are down!

Cerebus said:

If he could care less, that means he cares. If he couldn't care less... oh... forget it...

I first came across this when I started reading posts from Americans. I've never heard it used by anyone I know, as they are all intelligent enough to understand what they are saying.

So I have to assume that it is either, a) an Americanism, or, b) that the people using it are stupid.

I could be cheeky and suggest that 'a' actually includes 'b' automatically but I'm not going to.

Would the people that say "could care less" actually respond to this and give us an explanation? Just to clear this whole mess up really. Perhaps when we've educated those few (many?) we could have the answer placed as a sticky? Add it to the Forum Rules perhaps?

PS: AND STOP USING Z WHEN IT'S AN S!

[Edited 9/29/11 0:46am]

^I've always appreciated the psychology of the error - ie. if someone can be bothered posting to insist that they couldn't care less, then usually, literally by definition, they could. Therefore the error could be their subconscious correcting their assertion

Of course, in this context, it was referring to another person, so, alas, I'm stumped too

(Although that could just be how it started, and now it's used so much that people don't think about what they're saying, it's just a phrase they've heard/read and have started repeating.)

^Careful you two. You will get the orgs thenewpath cult on your ass, censoring your posts and/or calling you a hater.

Sad about Sly though - legend, but sometimes legends fall hard...

woogiebear said:

Um......didn't He do the same thing putting 2gether THERE'S A RIOT GOIN' ON?????

Maybe there's a MASTERPIECE of that level somewhere in that Van!!!!!!

Let Us Pray.........

I know Prince feels for Sly, but he is not responsible for every old musician who falls on hard times!

klick2me said:

Allow me to take this a little further; would it be safe to say that Sly's addiction is the reason that P and Sly have not hooked up musically? I have often wondered about this. How is it that Jesse Johnson played with Sly but not Prince? klick

the way an all-time genius mind like sly works-he would be playing the role as prince's caddy & he would never be a caddy for the genius of the next generation trying to take his place. makes no difference if prince had come up with the identical song and matters not how reverential or effusive in praise prince has been toward him. jesse, on the other hand though a bad man is no threat to take sly's throne. a sports analogy would be imagining an aging genius like micheal jordan agreeing to team with kobe bryant. as bad as jordan would want another title he would rather retire than get another title being caddy to kobe. geniuses like sly & mj wouldnt see the collaboration as a combining of generational superpowers-their minds dont work like the rest of us.

Why is it that so many of these stars end up broke before they die? Only a few big stars like Elton John and the Rolling Stones along with other British rock and rollers avoid this crap. Why, because they hire decent managers and not girlfriends for managers or family members. James Brown, Frankie Lymon, Jackie Wilson, David Ruffin, Marvin Gaye, Rick James were all virtually broke when they died, even Michael was near bankruptcy and how much longer has Prince got before Paisley Park is razed for a shopping mall.

Sly Stone is unfortunate, influential yes, but his last big hit was like nearly 40 years ago, he has not remained relevant or reincented himself say in the 80s or 90s, I bet that manager probably di rip him off, as usually managers in those days were more interested in getting rich rather than helping their artists. Its sad.

nursev said:

I know Prince feels for Sly, but he is not responsible for every old musician who falls on hard times!

Especially when they fell on hard times due to their own drug abuse and mismanagement of funds. Besides, who is to say that Sly cares what anyone thinks? Its not like he's asked Prince for help.

When Michael said he was a lover not a fighter I thought I'd rather be a hater as it didn't involve shagging little boys.

There's one thing I know for certain! MJ was a hellava business man! He owned every bodies music! I wouldn't be shocked if somebody said he owns the rights to Prince!

Militant said:

TrevorAyer said:

I wonder if Prince pays Sly everytime he covers Sly at his shows, which is a lot of the time

He would be paying MJ's estate, since Sly's publishing was sold to Michael.

That's why if you buy the re-releases of the classic Sly material, the credits have been changed so it says "MiJac Music".

Actually, its not Prince who pays for playing the cover - its ASCAP or BMI who pay Sly.

ASCAP and BMI charge licence fees to events that use music for entertainment, or anyone who is broadcasting music for public consumption. In the case of a festival, they take a percentage of the revenue from tickets sales (so, larger festivals pay more). They then collect the details of all the music played and then divvy up the money between all the artists whose works have been performed.

This also means that Prince receives a royalty for each of his own tunes played at the event, even though it is him performing the songs and he has already been paid a fee for the performance.

So, don't worry - Sly gets paid EVERY time his tracks are performed, no matter by whom is performing. Its just not the artist performing the work who has to fork out for it.

silkylee said:

There's one thing I know for certain! MJ was a hellava business man! He owned every bodies music! I wouldn't be shocked if somebody said he owns the rights to Prince!

I'd say he was a megalomaniac and a bit of a c***, especially outbidding Paul Macartney on the Beatles catalogue! I fundamentally disagree with an artist acting like some huge, coporate conglomerate buying up all the rights to other great artists tunes.

BTW, he didn't own "every bodies"(sic) music, by any stretch. Oh and, by your logic, prepare for the shock of learning that he didn't ever own the rights to Prince's music - Prince owns his own publishing and has always maintained that he'll retain control - its mentioned in Big White Mansion, for example;

"(What about dem publishing rights?)

Sell my publishing? What a laugh!

I don't know Bo, but I do know math"