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Reply #360 posted 10/06/11 9:55am

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bboy87 said:

I'm on KOPD and looking through the thread about the autopsy report, there was a message from someone who worked on the TII shows

A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..


Hi,

My name is jhon. I will spare a second name as i do not want any lawsuits brought against me by AEG or any company affiliated with them.

I worked as part of the technical team on Michaels This is it production.

Firstly let me just say, Michael was a good man, i bare him no ill will or malice, but the reason for this posting is for a few simple reasons--I am publicly not permitted to talk about any aspect of the this is it production. Everyone who worked on that has been told not to give any kind of public statement, only officials or people who are granted permission by AEG are allowed to discuss publicly about the production. People who are allowed are the obvious ones, such as directors(Kenny etc.) Dancers, a few people from production(set, costume designers), musical director etc, the dancers etc...

Understand this...everything that is being said by these people has been vetted and checked. They are told which details to reveal.

MY main anger and point of this article is 3 main things, that i witnessed but did not see in the dvd movie(that my nephew purchased)

1. Many of the vocals used in this is it movie are not the vocals i heard. Please hear me out.
I heard Michael sing ALL of his songs without playback, in the rehearsals we NEVER USE PLAYBACK. When i was younger and starting out i got a job on Michaels earlier tour in 1991. I worked as a junior in productions, and i witnessed 2 rehearsal sessions.--there was no playback, even though when he had taken the show out of rehearsals and onto the road there was a playback. I am sure you can find rehearsals from an earlier tour on the INTERNET--just look into it-he never uses playback on rehearsals-it is pointless because there is no audience .
Basically from my experience with Michael, he never uses playback in rehearsals.--it is a waste, as there is no audience.

I am unhappy that Kenny did not show Michaels real voice on a few songs.

2. My second problem is that some performances from Michael has been left out. He turned up for around 3 rehearsals a week, out of a 6 day week. And in the end had done around 4 full rehearsals before june 25th.

How it worked was like this---Michael spent time learning the moves with his choreographer, and would come in and rehearse with the dancers on average 1-2 times a week, the 3rd day when he was at rehersals he looked into productions and had costume fittings etc.. When Michael was absent there would be a double, just to step in(so the dancers could rehearse). I blatantly saw this double in the movie, in the Smooth criminal performance. You see, that background(with the towers and building)was fully completed after his death. Any footage of him in-front of those building in smooth criminal is not him, HOWEVER IT IS MICHAEL WHEN THE BACKGROUND IS WHITE. That particular scene was confusing, as they mixed the 2 footages together-the footage of the buildings is used with a Michael step in( a double), and when he is in-front of a white screen that is him.-confusing but watch that scene again and you will know what i mean.--it is him when he says POW and he is in front of a WHITE screen, BUT IT IS THE DOUBLE WHEN HE IS IN-FRONT OF A 3D BACKGROUND OF BUILDINGS.

Other performances that, after researching it, has been denied. MICHAEL did perform dirty Diana--it was a masterpiece.---granted Michael did not sound all that good, it was only rehearsal.--he did it twice. The set up was excellent.---why AEG are denying it had taken place i do not know.

We are the world was also performed, and heal the world and a few others.

iNFACT IF YOU LOOK HARD ENOUGH ON THE INTERNET YOU WILL FIND FANS THAT HAVE RECORDED HIM PERFORMING DIRTY DIANA(ON THERE PHONES OUTSIDE STAPLE CENTRE), BUT KENNY HAS DENIED THAT HE PERFORMED IT.

I just wanted to let you guys, the real fans, that there is the real footage out there somewhere and one day you will hopefully get to see it.

3. MY third problem with the movie is it did not address the health concerns that we all saw. Not the thinness, Michael, if my memory serves me well has always been thin-this was not a problem. The problems that i saw, was basically Michael had some problem with his feet. After his rehearsal with the dancers, he would usually be in a great deal of pain, from his feet. I don't know if any one can shed some light on this, but someone on set said his skin on his feel tears easily and has become very sensitive-after years of putting them to use i guessed-this is why Michaels dancers were going to do a large number of the heavy routines, with Michael only participating in a few dance routines(such as beat it the way you make me feel), the rest of the time he would be just walking around stage, filling the room with his presence

He was also in great pain from his back. Although this is not in the movie, but on days that Michael was not there randy, don't know his second name but from my understanding at the time, he was the man who was funding this elaborate show, randy was always talking to Kenny about Michaels and his worries about him not completing 50. Randy and Kenny were talking a lot, and made alot of plans in-case his health fails, Randy also hired a doctor for Michael.

Kenny, as instructed by Randy, always made sure the camera's were rolling on the days mj turned up for rehearsals, although he denies this, but these film footages were made as a guarantee, that if something happened he would have something get his investment back on. I don't know if you fans know this, or whether it is common knowledge or not, but Kenny and Randy are cousins(i think distant)

In fact we were all told that if we saw Michael and his entourage we were to send word to Kenny immediately so as he could instruct the camera men to film.

Well i have said my peace...

I wonder if some things will be mentioned or explained in court.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #361 posted 10/06/11 10:02am

Timmy84

This is real interesting...

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Reply #362 posted 10/06/11 10:22am

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The whole concert deal was shady. Everything about it. And poor Mike. He did it all for his fans.

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Reply #363 posted 10/06/11 10:24am

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Derek1984 said:

The whole concert deal was shady. Everything about it. And poor Mike. He did it all for his fans.

I agree. I think both Randy Ortega and Randy Phillips were shady to me.

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Reply #364 posted 10/06/11 12:10pm

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Did Kenny/AEG really deny that "Dirty Diana" had been rehearsed? Because even Michael Bearden had said they rehearsed it. Remember, he told the anecdote about the girl dancer in the bed with Michael and he said "Where's Orianthi gonna be" and MJ said "She can be in the bed too." lol lol

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Reply #365 posted 10/06/11 12:15pm

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Did Kenny/AEG really deny that "Dirty Diana" had been rehearsed? Because even Michael Bearden had said they rehearsed it. Remember, he told the anecdote about the girl dancer in the bed with Michael and he said "Where's Orianthi gonna be" and MJ said "She can be in the bed too." lol lol

[Edited 10/6/11 12:10pm]

My brain's fishy on the memory but I think Kenny denied "Dirty Diana" ever being performed.

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Reply #366 posted 10/06/11 12:15pm

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They could have all shared....it's wonderful smile

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Reply #367 posted 10/06/11 12:16pm

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The battle of the century! lol

13-year-old Justin Bieber and 12-year old Michael Jackson singing the same song.

Who is cooler??

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Reply #368 posted 10/06/11 1:11pm

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"the resonator" posted this on gearslutz.com
I worked with Michael on many occasions...first in 1979 shortly following the release of "Off The Wall", which was recorded at my old studio, Image Recording, when it was owned by its former owner, Allen Zentz. I then spent some time in 1980 (or 81?) with Michael recording demo's for Thriller. This was great, because it was just the two of us and whoever Michael had coming in. "John, we have Jonathan Moffit coming at 12:00, then Greg Phillinganes at 1:00...oh, and we're recording strings at 4:00!". Wow, what a great experience working so closely with him. I had him on the mic for some days recording vocals, and it was an amazing experience...he would be dancing up a storm while singing and doing all of those "grunts, oohs, ahhs" vocal sounds that would pepper his tracks. He asked me to take up the carpet so he could dance, and in between takes, he would sing other popular songs of the day just freestyle and acapella and we would talk about the music we liked. Over the next year or two, I hosted the Jacksons many times, recording various tracks, claps (we had a jacuzzi room which they loved to use for the massive white-noise claps that people liked back then). I got to know all the brothers. Bruce Swedien came back to Image Recording to record a song (or two?) for the Jackson's "Victory" record in about 1983. Another great experience, as Bruce did (as I recall) a string quartet and (perhaps) Michael's vocal at the same time. Bruce IS the best of all time, by the way. BEST. I believe there were a couple of sundry Jacksons sessions over the next couple of years, but by that time, Michael was hugely popular and I didn't see him as much. The next time was really in 1995, when Robmix and I worked on the HIStory album. Rob worked on this for quite a long time (2 years?), while I worked on it for a few months. We were all holed up in Larrabee North, where Bruce had a room (or were you guys at Record One, Rob?)...Eddie Delena was recording quite a lot Michael's vocals at Larrabee in one room, and I was put in another room to engineer for whomever needed it...my most memorable session being some days with Dallas Austin and on one day, recording The Notorious B.I.G. for his rap on "This Time Around". There I was, standing in a room with Dallas, Biggie and Michael. I'll never forget it. The final days of that album were made interesting, by Bruce giving me the task to sequence the album and edit it down to a size that we could fit onto a CD. This was no small undertaking, as about 7 minutes needed to be trimmed somewhere. I laid this all out in Sound Tools and came to know every bar of every song very intimately. I found places where songs could be tightened up and came up with many suggestions. On the night of mastering, I was put in a room at Bernie Grundman's with my Sound Tools rig, and in this room, I would have to "negotiate" with Michael about what to take out. I'll never forget this night...Michael came in, and Bruce told MJ that we would have to remove either 1) one whole song or 2) edit the others to fit onto a CD. We chose the latter...I started with song one and played Michael my edits, "Oh no, we can't take THAT out...it's my favorite part of the album!". OK. Let's try another, "Oh no, we MUST keep those four bars". OK...let's go to the vamp, which carries on for two minutes...how about removing these eight bars, "Oh no, that's my favorite part of the vamp!". Well, you get the picture. Meanwhile, Jimmy Jam was in with us, telling Michael that all these edits were killer and actually make things better. And over the course of about 5 hours, we got it down. By this time, it was probably 3:00am, and I was wiped out. Bruce walked in..."Okay, John, I want you to make all these edits on the 1/2" masters right now!". My first thought was, "You've GOT to be kidding!" I had used some crossfades in Tools and such, plus I was worn out from "bartering" with Michael. But, into Bernie's room we went, and with Bruce over my shoulder, I cut the 1/2" tapes. As I recall, this took a couple of hours, and we were done. By the way, video footage of my "bartering session" with Michael exists, although I was never able to get a copy. Perhaps someday! After that album's completion, we were all invited to The Neverland Ranch with spouses and kids for a day of fun, with Michael as our host. What a memorable day that I will recount in another post...my arms hurt now!
Cool info on the makings of some Michael Jackson albums.
Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Reply #369 posted 10/06/11 1:15pm

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paisleypark4 said:

"the resonator" posted this on gearslutz.com
I worked with Michael on many occasions...first in 1979 shortly following the release of "Off The Wall", which was recorded at my old studio, Image Recording, when it was owned by its former owner, Allen Zentz. I then spent some time in 1980 (or 81?) with Michael recording demo's for Thriller. This was great, because it was just the two of us and whoever Michael had coming in. "John, we have Jonathan Moffit coming at 12:00, then Greg Phillinganes at 1:00...oh, and we're recording strings at 4:00!". Wow, what a great experience working so closely with him. I had him on the mic for some days recording vocals, and it was an amazing experience...he would be dancing up a storm while singing and doing all of those "grunts, oohs, ahhs" vocal sounds that would pepper his tracks. He asked me to take up the carpet so he could dance, and in between takes, he would sing other popular songs of the day just freestyle and acapella and we would talk about the music we liked. Over the next year or two, I hosted the Jacksons many times, recording various tracks, claps (we had a jacuzzi room which they loved to use for the massive white-noise claps that people liked back then). I got to know all the brothers. Bruce Swedien came back to Image Recording to record a song (or two?) for the Jackson's "Victory" record in about 1983. Another great experience, as Bruce did (as I recall) a string quartet and (perhaps) Michael's vocal at the same time. Bruce IS the best of all time, by the way. BEST. I believe there were a couple of sundry Jacksons sessions over the next couple of years, but by that time, Michael was hugely popular and I didn't see him as much. The next time was really in 1995, when Robmix and I worked on the HIStory album. Rob worked on this for quite a long time (2 years?), while I worked on it for a few months. We were all holed up in Larrabee North, where Bruce had a room (or were you guys at Record One, Rob?)...Eddie Delena was recording quite a lot Michael's vocals at Larrabee in one room, and I was put in another room to engineer for whomever needed it...my most memorable session being some days with Dallas Austin and on one day, recording The Notorious B.I.G. for his rap on "This Time Around". There I was, standing in a room with Dallas, Biggie and Michael. I'll never forget it. The final days of that album were made interesting, by Bruce giving me the task to sequence the album and edit it down to a size that we could fit onto a CD. This was no small undertaking, as about 7 minutes needed to be trimmed somewhere. I laid this all out in Sound Tools and came to know every bar of every song very intimately. I found places where songs could be tightened up and came up with many suggestions. On the night of mastering, I was put in a room at Bernie Grundman's with my Sound Tools rig, and in this room, I would have to "negotiate" with Michael about what to take out. I'll never forget this night...Michael came in, and Bruce told MJ that we would have to remove either 1) one whole song or 2) edit the others to fit onto a CD. We chose the latter...I started with song one and played Michael my edits, "Oh no, we can't take THAT out...it's my favorite part of the album!". OK. Let's try another, "Oh no, we MUST keep those four bars". OK...let's go to the vamp, which carries on for two minutes...how about removing these eight bars, "Oh no, that's my favorite part of the vamp!". Well, you get the picture. Meanwhile, Jimmy Jam was in with us, telling Michael that all these edits were killer and actually make things better. And over the course of about 5 hours, we got it down. By this time, it was probably 3:00am, and I was wiped out. Bruce walked in..."Okay, John, I want you to make all these edits on the 1/2" masters right now!". My first thought was, "You've GOT to be kidding!" I had used some crossfades in Tools and such, plus I was worn out from "bartering" with Michael. But, into Bernie's room we went, and with Bruce over my shoulder, I cut the 1/2" tapes. As I recall, this took a couple of hours, and we were done. By the way, video footage of my "bartering session" with Michael exists, although I was never able to get a copy. Perhaps someday! After that album's completion, we were all invited to The Neverland Ranch with spouses and kids for a day of fun, with Michael as our host. What a memorable day that I will recount in another post...my arms hurt now!
Cool info on the makings of some Michael Jackson albums.

cool

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Reply #370 posted 10/06/11 3:20pm

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bboy87 said:

I'm on KOPD and looking through the thread about the autopsy report, there was a message from someone who worked on the TII shows

A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..


Hi,

My name is jhon. I will spare a second name as i do not want any lawsuits brought against me by AEG or any company affiliated with them.

I worked as part of the technical team on Michaels This is it production.

Firstly let me just say, Michael was a good man, i bare him no ill will or malice, but the reason for this posting is for a few simple reasons--I am publicly not permitted to talk about any aspect of the this is it production. Everyone who worked on that has been told not to give any kind of public statement, only officials or people who are granted permission by AEG are allowed to discuss publicly about the production. People who are allowed are the obvious ones, such as directors(Kenny etc.) Dancers, a few people from production(set, costume designers), musical director etc, the dancers etc...

Understand this...everything that is being said by these people has been vetted and checked. They are told which details to reveal.

MY main anger and point of this article is 3 main things, that i witnessed but did not see in the dvd movie(that my nephew purchased)

1. Many of the vocals used in this is it movie are not the vocals i heard. Please hear me out.
I heard Michael sing ALL of his songs without playback, in the rehearsals we NEVER USE PLAYBACK. When i was younger and starting out i got a job on Michaels earlier tour in 1991. I worked as a junior in productions, and i witnessed 2 rehearsal sessions.--there was no playback, even though when he had taken the show out of rehearsals and onto the road there was a playback. I am sure you can find rehearsals from an earlier tour on the INTERNET--just look into it-he never uses playback on rehearsals-it is pointless because there is no audience .
Basically from my experience with Michael, he never uses playback in rehearsals.--it is a waste, as there is no audience.

I am unhappy that Kenny did not show Michaels real voice on a few songs.

2. My second problem is that some performances from Michael has been left out. He turned up for around 3 rehearsals a week, out of a 6 day week. And in the end had done around 4 full rehearsals before june 25th.

How it worked was like this---Michael spent time learning the moves with his choreographer, and would come in and rehearse with the dancers on average 1-2 times a week, the 3rd day when he was at rehersals he looked into productions and had costume fittings etc.. When Michael was absent there would be a double, just to step in(so the dancers could rehearse). I blatantly saw this double in the movie, in the Smooth criminal performance. You see, that background(with the towers and building)was fully completed after his death. Any footage of him in-front of those building in smooth criminal is not him, HOWEVER IT IS MICHAEL WHEN THE BACKGROUND IS WHITE. That particular scene was confusing, as they mixed the 2 footages together-the footage of the buildings is used with a Michael step in( a double), and when he is in-front of a white screen that is him.-confusing but watch that scene again and you will know what i mean.--it is him when he says POW and he is in front of a WHITE screen, BUT IT IS THE DOUBLE WHEN HE IS IN-FRONT OF A 3D BACKGROUND OF BUILDINGS.

Other performances that, after researching it, has been denied. MICHAEL did perform dirty Diana--it was a masterpiece.---granted Michael did not sound all that good, it was only rehearsal.--he did it twice. The set up was excellent.---why AEG are denying it had taken place i do not know.

We are the world was also performed, and heal the world and a few others.

iNFACT IF YOU LOOK HARD ENOUGH ON THE INTERNET YOU WILL FIND FANS THAT HAVE RECORDED HIM PERFORMING DIRTY DIANA(ON THERE PHONES OUTSIDE STAPLE CENTRE), BUT KENNY HAS DENIED THAT HE PERFORMED IT.

I just wanted to let you guys, the real fans, that there is the real footage out there somewhere and one day you will hopefully get to see it.

3. MY third problem with the movie is it did not address the health concerns that we all saw. Not the thinness, Michael, if my memory serves me well has always been thin-this was not a problem. The problems that i saw, was basically Michael had some problem with his feet. After his rehearsal with the dancers, he would usually be in a great deal of pain, from his feet. I don't know if any one can shed some light on this, but someone on set said his skin on his feel tears easily and has become very sensitive-after years of putting them to use i guessed-this is why Michaels dancers were going to do a large number of the heavy routines, with Michael only participating in a few dance routines(such as beat it the way you make me feel), the rest of the time he would be just walking around stage, filling the room with his presence

He was also in great pain from his back. Although this is not in the movie, but on days that Michael was not there randy, don't know his second name but from my understanding at the time, he was the man who was funding this elaborate show, randy was always talking to Kenny about Michaels and his worries about him not completing 50. Randy and Kenny were talking a lot, and made alot of plans in-case his health fails, Randy also hired a doctor for Michael.

Kenny, as instructed by Randy, always made sure the camera's were rolling on the days mj turned up for rehearsals, although he denies this, but these film footages were made as a guarantee, that if something happened he would have something get his investment back on. I don't know if you fans know this, or whether it is common knowledge or not, but Kenny and Randy are cousins(i think distant)

In fact we were all told that if we saw Michael and his entourage we were to send word to Kenny immediately so as he could instruct the camera men to film.

Well i have said my peace...

This was obviously posted early on in the TII movie "controversy" and many of the issues claimed have since been disproved.

The language used is obviously that of a fan / troll trying to stir things up, as is evidence by the alluding to the 1991 rehearsals and look around they are probably on the internet. Surely anyone wanting to prove their point would do research and know they were on the net, whereas someone wanting to strengthen their "fake" credibility would say - investigate it and then when you "discover" it you think WOW, he was right.

The whole smooth criminal thing has been disproved. There is only of a stunt doublt in the banister slide and the jump. The use of the "white" screen is to show the transition between what was shot and what was compiled. They didn't reshoot - it's just showing you how they made it - from greenscreen keylines to the finished product.

The claim to have all this info about Randy Phillips but not knowing his last name reeks of BS - as does the claim that he and Kenny are cousins and thus must be in cahoots.

To me, the testimony in the trial is more accurate to what we have been hearing since the rehearsals began than third hand "annonymous" or even worse fictional characters claims - a la jhon.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
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Reply #371 posted 10/06/11 3:22pm

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Swa said:

bboy87 said:

I'm on KOPD and looking through the thread about the autopsy report, there was a message from someone who worked on the TII shows

This was obviously posted early on in the TII movie "controversy" and many of the issues claimed have since been disproved.

The language used is obviously that of a fan / troll trying to stir things up, as is evidence by the alluding to the 1991 rehearsals and look around they are probably on the internet. Surely anyone wanting to prove their point would do research and know they were on the net, whereas someone wanting to strengthen their "fake" credibility would say - investigate it and then when you "discover" it you think WOW, he was right.

The whole smooth criminal thing has been disproved. There is only of a stunt doublt in the banister slide and the jump. The use of the "white" screen is to show the transition between what was shot and what was compiled. They didn't reshoot - it's just showing you how they made it - from greenscreen keylines to the finished product.

The claim to have all this info about Randy Phillips but not knowing his last name reeks of BS - as does the claim that he and Kenny are cousins and thus must be in cahoots.

To me, the testimony in the trial is more accurate to what we have been hearing since the rehearsals began than third hand "annonymous" or even worse fictional characters claims - a la jhon.

Yeah I wasn't fully convinced either.

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Reply #372 posted 10/06/11 3:25pm

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Timmy84 said:

paisleypark4 said:

"the resonator" posted this on gearslutz.com Cool info on the makings of some Michael Jackson albums.

cool

Now these insider stories i love reading, and believe.

I would love to hear the original mixes of the tracks before the edits were brought into effect - it's like hearing the inital longer version of Who Is It with the extra bars at the end - something about it makes it even funkier.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
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Swa said:

Timmy84 said:

cool

Now these insider stories i love reading, and believe.

I would love to hear the original mixes of the tracks before the edits were brought into effect - it's like hearing the inital longer version of Who Is It with the extra bars at the end - something about it makes it even funkier.

Yessir. nod

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Photos from America‘s Next Top Model: All-Stars cycle 17, episode 5, "LaToya Jackson," in which the remaining 10 models walk the runway for the Kardashian Kollection and then pose as Michael Jackson with LaToya Jackson as their consultant.

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Michael Jackson remembered by his band: 'The most alive person you could ever meet'

Full of contradictions: Michael Jackson, who died in 2009 (Photo: EPA)

While I was researching my Michael Jackson tribute concert feature for today’s Telegraph, The tears and tribulations, I spent a bit of time hanging out with musicians at the rehearsals. These are top Los Angeles session players, no nonsense, seen-it-all–before professionals, all middle-aged black men with quite bluff exteriors. They knew Jackson mainly in a professional capacity, as a musician and boss whom they worked for and played with for years, and the high regard they held for him was really striking. They frequently talk about Jackson in the present tense, and when you point it out they can get a little emotional. “Its crazy,” backing singer Romeo Johnson admits, “but he was the most alive person you could ever meet.”

It can be hard to get a handle on Jackson as a man, he embodied so many apparent contradictions, but music is the place where, arguably, people always saw the best of him. “All I know is when I was with him, he was the sweetest person in the world,” says Tommy Organ, a guitarist who was a featured player in the This Is it rehearsals that were underway when Jackson died in 2009. “When he came on stage he was always happy, always trying to help. When he heard anything that was out of key or wasn’t the right part, he would hum the exact notes he wanted and then he would end it with, ‘I’m telling you with love.’ It was never ‘Hey, what are you doing over there!’, it was always ‘maybe you should try this, with love’. You wanna play for a person like that.”

“Michael was not a musician but he had the ears of a musician, there was nothing that he didn’t hear,” recalls Kevin Dorsey, a backing singer for Jackson for over 20 years. “Always in the show, if someone made a mistake, he’d turn around and smile and point at them. He could hear through everything.” He recalls his first rehearsals with Jackson, for the Bad tour in 1988. “We were two hours and twenty minutes into the show, and there was a lighting error, and Michael said ‘all right, let’s go to the top.’ I thought, ‘OK , go to the top of the song, get it over with and take a break’. I thought I had six minutes left. And the other guys looked at me, they laughed, and said, ‘wait and watch.’ He didn’t mean the top of the song, he meant the top of the show. I had to do another two hours and 26 minutes. I said right there, this is going to be quite a run.”

“To me he was the epitome of excellence,” says Johnson. “This guy was totally involved in everything, more involved than I have seen any musician in my thirty years of career. In rehearsals, when musicians go through a run through, you might sing a wrong note or play a wrong chord and make a face like, ‘oops, hope they didn’t hear that’. Sometimes the artist will catch you, sometimes they won’t. Michael would go through three or four songs in a row, and he’d be so into entertainment mode, he would rehearse as if there were thirty or forty thousand people in front of him. Then he’d stop and go, ‘now in the first song, second verse, there should have been this part, and in the second song, first verse, you did this, then on the beginning of the third verse …’ Like, how did he hear it, first of all, and how did he retain it when he was doing his performance to even come back and correct us? That was amazing to me. “

“He was not one of the guys, who’d go out with us to the Hard Rock and kick back with a beer,” admits Dorsey, of the man he called Slim. “But we would have fun. He laughed a lot, quite a joker, he loved what he did. His work was his play.” Dorsey suggests that Jackson didn’t tour more often because of what it took out of him. “When he comes off that stage, there’s nothing left. Nothing left. Then he goes back to the hotel, he showers, eats, looks at the performance that we had that night, and then rehearses until four or five in the morning. I’ve never seen anyone with that work ethic, that just refuses to be nothing less than perfect.” Dorsey comes close to suggesting that the intense demands of the This Is It shows might have proved too much for Jackson. “A big thing was him being able to do things on his own terms. He was always comfortable when we worked twice a week, when we pushed him to three and four shows a week, it just wouldn’t work. I’m not saying he was not in the physical condition, but when you put out like that, you just don’t have that three and four times a week, it’s virtually impossible… He gave so much but you can only spread yourself so thin. How much does anyone have to give?”

Dorsey, who is musical director of the Michael Forever band, admits it has been personally hard rehearsing his friend’s songs with guest artists. “I’m so used to hearing it from him, I know there’s certain parts to the song where he would dig in, and you need that, cause it takes us to the next gear, and then as he gets to the vamp, he digs in one more time, and we go up to the next gear. And an artist can be performing, and I’m waiting for that to kick in, and in their own way they do it, but no one can do it like him. This band is pushing all the vocalists. Either you get down like you live, or the band is going to take it over. With other artists, I don’t know the intensity of their performance. With Slim, you always know what you’re gonna get … and that’s everything.”

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Reply #376 posted 10/06/11 7:15pm

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I'm on KOPD and looking through the thread about the autopsy report, there was a message from someone who worked on the TII shows

A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..


Hi,

My name is jhon. I will spare a second name as i do not want any lawsuits brought against me by AEG or any company affiliated with them.

I worked as part of the technical team on Michaels This is it production.

Firstly let me just say, Michael was a good man, i bare him no ill will or malice, but the reason for this posting is for a few simple reasons--I am publicly not permitted to talk about any aspect of the this is it production. Everyone who worked on that has been told not to give any kind of public statement, only officials or people who are granted permission by AEG are allowed to discuss publicly about the production. People who are allowed are the obvious ones, such as directors(Kenny etc.) Dancers, a few people from production(set, costume designers), musical director etc, the dancers etc...

Understand this...everything that is being said by these people has been vetted and checked. They are told which details to reveal.

MY main anger and point of this article is 3 main things, that i witnessed but did not see in the dvd movie(that my nephew purchased)

1. Many of the vocals used in this is it movie are not the vocals i heard. Please hear me out.
I heard Michael sing ALL of his songs without playback, in the rehearsals we NEVER USE PLAYBACK. When i was younger and starting out i got a job on Michaels earlier tour in 1991. I worked as a junior in productions, and i witnessed 2 rehearsal sessions.--there was no playback, even though when he had taken the show out of rehearsals and onto the road there was a playback. I am sure you can find rehearsals from an earlier tour on the INTERNET--just look into it-he never uses playback on rehearsals-it is pointless because there is no audience .
Basically from my experience with Michael, he never uses playback in rehearsals.--it is a waste, as there is no audience.

I am unhappy that Kenny did not show Michaels real voice on a few songs.

2. My second problem is that some performances from Michael has been left out. He turned up for around 3 rehearsals a week, out of a 6 day week. And in the end had done around 4 full rehearsals before june 25th.

How it worked was like this---Michael spent time learning the moves with his choreographer, and would come in and rehearse with the dancers on average 1-2 times a week, the 3rd day when he was at rehersals he looked into productions and had costume fittings etc.. When Michael was absent there would be a double, just to step in(so the dancers could rehearse). I blatantly saw this double in the movie, in the Smooth criminal performance. You see, that background(with the towers and building)was fully completed after his death. Any footage of him in-front of those building in smooth criminal is not him, HOWEVER IT IS MICHAEL WHEN THE BACKGROUND IS WHITE. That particular scene was confusing, as they mixed the 2 footages together-the footage of the buildings is used with a Michael step in( a double), and when he is in-front of a white screen that is him.-confusing but watch that scene again and you will know what i mean.--it is him when he says POW and he is in front of a WHITE screen, BUT IT IS THE DOUBLE WHEN HE IS IN-FRONT OF A 3D BACKGROUND OF BUILDINGS.

Other performances that, after researching it, has been denied. MICHAEL did perform dirty Diana--it was a masterpiece.---granted Michael did not sound all that good, it was only rehearsal.--he did it twice. The set up was excellent.---why AEG are denying it had taken place i do not know.

We are the world was also performed, and heal the world and a few others.

iNFACT IF YOU LOOK HARD ENOUGH ON THE INTERNET YOU WILL FIND FANS THAT HAVE RECORDED HIM PERFORMING DIRTY DIANA(ON THERE PHONES OUTSIDE STAPLE CENTRE), BUT KENNY HAS DENIED THAT HE PERFORMED IT.

I just wanted to let you guys, the real fans, that there is the real footage out there somewhere and one day you will hopefully get to see it.

3. MY third problem with the movie is it did not address the health concerns that we all saw. Not the thinness, Michael, if my memory serves me well has always been thin-this was not a problem. The problems that i saw, was basically Michael had some problem with his feet. After his rehearsal with the dancers, he would usually be in a great deal of pain, from his feet. I don't know if any one can shed some light on this, but someone on set said his skin on his feel tears easily and has become very sensitive-after years of putting them to use i guessed-this is why Michaels dancers were going to do a large number of the heavy routines, with Michael only participating in a few dance routines(such as beat it the way you make me feel), the rest of the time he would be just walking around stage, filling the room with his presence

He was also in great pain from his back. Although this is not in the movie, but on days that Michael was not there randy, don't know his second name but from my understanding at the time, he was the man who was funding this elaborate show, randy was always talking to Kenny about Michaels and his worries about him not completing 50. Randy and Kenny were talking a lot, and made alot of plans in-case his health fails, Randy also hired a doctor for Michael.

Kenny, as instructed by Randy, always made sure the camera's were rolling on the days mj turned up for rehearsals, although he denies this, but these film footages were made as a guarantee, that if something happened he would have something get his investment back on. I don't know if you fans know this, or whether it is common knowledge or not, but Kenny and Randy are cousins(i think distant)

In fact we were all told that if we saw Michael and his entourage we were to send word to Kenny immediately so as he could instruct the camera men to film.

Well i have said my peace...

Even if this is true or not AEG and Kenny need to sit down somewhere. Kenny was only about the money too.

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Reply #377 posted 10/06/11 7:58pm

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THE IMMORTAL CD

Whilst I know the CD is the music soundtrack from the Cirque show - any news on whether it is using the original master recordings or "live" recordings with the Cirque band.

I hope it's using the master recordings from the records to give it more of that reinvention feel - maybe with some new overdubs.

But I'll keep my mind and ears open.

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Reply #378 posted 10/07/11 5:51am

alphastreet

Wonderful article, and I think his behaviour with these musicians spoke for itself about his character and it's so unnecessary to write knowing him in a professional capacity and not other ways sometimes. I love hearing about how he executes his music and the production.

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Reply #379 posted 10/07/11 7:07am

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Me too, I find it very inspiring. I'm trying to apply his work ethics to my thesis-writing - with mixed results though:)..

alphastreet said:

Wonderful article, and I think his behaviour with these musicians spoke for itself about his character and it's so unnecessary to write knowing him in a professional capacity and not other ways sometimes. I love hearing about how he executes his music and the production.

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Reply #380 posted 10/07/11 8:59am

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So the Michael Forever tribute happens tomorrow. Surprised that they managed to sell 40,000 tickets.

Michael Jackson Concert: 40,000 Tribute Tickets Sold

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news...s-15217272

But the broadcast of the concert on Facebook has been cancelled:

Michael Jackson Tribute Concert Broadcast Cancelled on Facebook

http://www.pcmag.com/arti...1WONMI4ife

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Reply #381 posted 10/07/11 1:30pm

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NaughtyKitty said:

So the Michael Forever tribute happens tomorrow. Surprised that they managed to sell 40,000 tickets.

Michael Jackson Concert: 40,000 Tribute Tickets Sold

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news...s-15217272

But the broadcast of the concert on Facebook has been cancelled:

Michael Jackson Tribute Concert Broadcast Cancelled on Facebook

http://www.pcmag.com/arti...1WONMI4ife

Still below 70,000 so it's still a failure.

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Reply #382 posted 10/07/11 1:49pm

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Reply #383 posted 10/07/11 2:42pm

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Timmy84 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

So the Michael Forever tribute happens tomorrow. Surprised that they managed to sell 40,000 tickets.

Michael Jackson Concert: 40,000 Tribute Tickets Sold

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news...s-15217272

But the broadcast of the concert on Facebook has been cancelled:

Michael Jackson Tribute Concert Broadcast Cancelled on Facebook

http://www.pcmag.com/arti...1WONMI4ife

Still below 70,000 so it's still a failure.

If it was a wrestling show, it would be a moderate success by those numbers lol

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Reply #384 posted 10/07/11 2:47pm

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bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Still below 70,000 so it's still a failure.

If it was a wrestling show, it would be a moderate success by those numbers lol

lol That's true but for a music show it's a disaster. wink

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Reply #385 posted 10/07/11 3:08pm

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Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

If it was a wrestling show, it would be a moderate success by those numbers lol

lol That's true but for a music show it's a disaster. wink

lol

40,000 is WWE Royal Rumble numbers

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Reply #386 posted 10/07/11 4:39pm

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Timmy84 said:

lol That's true but for a music show it's a disaster. wink

lol

40,000 is WWE Royal Rumble numbers

To be fair - considering how haphazzardly this has been put together I'm impressed they sold 40,000. Sure it's not a sell out, but it's mildly respectable.

Is anyone from here actually going?

Now that the live broadcast is cancelled - how long until the online pay per view option is put forward for an edited "professionally produced" effort or download?

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Reply #387 posted 10/07/11 4:40pm

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Swa said:

bboy87 said:

lol

40,000 is WWE Royal Rumble numbers

To be fair - considering how haphazzardly this has been put together I'm impressed they sold 40,000. Sure it's not a sell out, but it's mildly respectable.

Is anyone from here actually going?

Now that the live broadcast is cancelled - how long until the online pay per view option is put forward for an edited "professionally produced" effort or download?

I doubt it. lol

I'm just awaiting the bad reviews now lol

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Reply #388 posted 10/08/11 11:47am

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Apparently this is the setlist. Mostly looks like a trainwreck, though I'd love to see 3T live again.

Also - look at what I bolded. I almost fell out of my chair. I love La Toya, but no. Just no.

Full set list

* Ne-Yo – Billie Jean

* Ne-Yo – The Lady In My Life

* JLS – The Way You Make Me Feel

* JLS and The Jacksons – Blame It On The Boogie

* The Jacksons – Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground)

* Jamie Foxx – Rock With You

* Alien Ant Farm – Smooth Criminal

* Alien Ant Farm – P.Y.T.

* Leona Lewis – Stranger In Moscow

* Leona Lewis – I’ll Be There

* Craig David – Human Nature

* Dance Jam – dance medley feat. Can You Feel It, Show Me The Way To Go, Smooth Criminal, Dangerous and Thriller

* Smokey Robinson – She’s Out Of My Life

* Gladys Knight – Believe In Yourself

* Beyonce – I Wanna Be Where You Are

* Gladys Knight and Smokey Robinson – I Just Can’t Stop Loving You

* 3T and Tito Jackson – Why/Heartbreak Hotel

* Diversity – dance medley feat. Jam, Black Or White, Remember The Time, Behind The Mask

* La Toya Jackson – In The Closet/Jam

* Cee Lo Green – I Can’t Help It

* Cee Lo Green – You Can’t Win

* Christina Aguilera – Smile

* Christina Aguilera – Dirty Diana

* Pixie Lott – I Want You Back

* Pixie Lott – You Are Not Alone

* Yolanda Adams – Earth Song

* Yolanda Adams – Another Part Of Me

* Alexandra Burke – Who’s Lovin’ You

* Alexandra Burke – Scream

* Jennifer Hudson – Leave Me Alone

* Jennifer Hudson – Gone Too Soon

* Reprise – Gone Too Soon

* Jamie Foxx, JLS and The Jacksons – Don’t Stop Til You Get Enough

[Edited 10/8/11 11:48am]

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Reply #389 posted 10/08/11 12:30pm

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Apparently this is the setlist. Mostly looks like a trainwreck, though I'd love to see 3T live again.

Also - look at what I bolded. I almost fell out of my chair. I love La Toya, but no. Just no.

Full set list

* Ne-Yo – Billie Jean

* Ne-Yo – The Lady In My Life

* JLS – The Way You Make Me Feel

* JLS and The Jacksons – Blame It On The Boogie

* The Jacksons – Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground)

* Jamie Foxx – Rock With You

* Alien Ant Farm – Smooth Criminal

* Alien Ant Farm – P.Y.T.

* Leona Lewis – Stranger In Moscow

* Leona Lewis – I’ll Be There

* Craig David – Human Nature

* Dance Jam – dance medley feat. Can You Feel It, Show Me The Way To Go, Smooth Criminal, Dangerous and Thriller

* Smokey Robinson – She’s Out Of My Life

* Gladys Knight – Believe In Yourself

* Beyonce – I Wanna Be Where You Are

* Gladys Knight and Smokey Robinson – I Just Can’t Stop Loving You

* 3T and Tito Jackson – Why/Heartbreak Hotel

* Diversity – dance medley feat. Jam, Black Or White, Remember The Time, Behind The Mask

* La Toya Jackson – In The Closet/Jam

* Cee Lo Green – I Can’t Help It

* Cee Lo Green – You Can’t Win

* Christina Aguilera – Smile

* Christina Aguilera – Dirty Diana

* Pixie Lott – I Want You Back

* Pixie Lott – You Are Not Alone

* Yolanda Adams – Earth Song

* Yolanda Adams – Another Part Of Me

* Alexandra Burke – Who’s Lovin’ You

* Alexandra Burke – Scream

* Jennifer Hudson – Leave Me Alone

* Jennifer Hudson – Gone Too Soon

* Reprise – Gone Too Soon

* Jamie Foxx, JLS and The Jacksons – Don’t Stop Til You Get Enough

[Edited 10/8/11 11:48am]

Craig David said on Twitter he's going to be doing 3 songs

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