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Reply #330 posted 10/05/11 11:09am

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Flo6 said:

I used to be, but post many readings/research, not anymore I think:) wink

Btw, I would be curious to know how to explain that on his 1996 [or 1997?] 'Blood on the Dancefloor' album, we have a scene of a city skyline with buildings collapsing in huge clouds of dust in the background.

An interesting coincidence, I must say...

In terms of connections, I certainly can believe that he had ties in much, much higher echelons in society and circles than the average mortal. That's normal when you reach that level of fame - a different class, a different level of operating, and different affiliations for sure.

alphastreet said:

Oh you would be surprised. Some fans believe he knows information about 9-11 or stuff going on in the world and is in trouble and all kinds of "theories". And the whole thing about him and Elvis (yes, that Elvis) being connected, and that he's going to come back in 2012 or 13' cause of saying "4 years to get it right" in This Is It and stuff like that.

No..Prince said "Obama ready to drop the bomb" 2 years before it happens. Maybe if more people read the news and pay attention then you would predict a sum of an outcome more than those who cannot also.
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Reply #331 posted 10/05/11 12:32pm

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Due to unavoidabl e circumstances, the Black Eyed Peas will be unable to perform at this Saturday’s Michael Forever event. Chris Hunt, CEO Global Live Events, said: “It is with regret that we announce the removal of Black Eyed Peas from the Michael Forever bill, but I look forward to a great night with other earth shattering artists. The event is really getting into gear and is going to be a fantastic evening for all”.


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Reply #332 posted 10/05/11 1:33pm

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paisleypark4 said:

Flo6 said:

I used to be, but post many readings/research, not anymore I think:) wink

Btw, I would be curious to know how to explain that on his 1996 [or 1997?] 'Blood on the Dancefloor' album, we have a scene of a city skyline with buildings collapsing in huge clouds of dust in the background.

An interesting coincidence, I must say...

In terms of connections, I certainly can believe that he had ties in much, much higher echelons in society and circles than the average mortal. That's normal when you reach that level of fame - a different class, a different level of operating, and different affiliations for sure.

No..Prince said "Obama ready to drop the bomb" 2 years before it happens. Maybe if more people read the news and pay attention then you would predict a sum of an outcome more than those who cannot also.

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Reply #333 posted 10/05/11 2:19pm

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I don't know why people always say the MJ/Lisa Marie kiss at the awards show was awkward. She always looked pretty into it, to me.

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Reply #334 posted 10/05/11 2:36pm

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Lisa has always maintained that her relationship with MJ was real, but she did not enjoy that kiss. I heard her say so several times. She cursed him out when they got backstage b/c she felt he kissed her onstage to try and improve his image.

She was pissed and not into it at all lol

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Reply #335 posted 10/05/11 2:43pm

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Militant said:

I don't know why people always say the MJ/Lisa Marie kiss at the awards show was awkward. She always looked pretty into it, to me.

Yeah I always thought their affection was for real.

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Reply #336 posted 10/05/11 2:44pm

Timmy84

Cinnamon234 said:

Lisa has always maintained that her relationship with MJ was real, but she did not enjoy that kiss. I heard her say so several times. She cursed him out when they got backstage b/c she felt he kissed her onstage to try and improve his image.

She was pissed and not into it at all lol

Yeah I read that. lol

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Reply #337 posted 10/05/11 2:48pm

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Militant said:

I don't know why people always say the MJ/Lisa Marie kiss at the awards show was awkward. She always looked pretty into it, to me.

Oh, come on, Lisa! lol
Lisa wanted this more than Michael! Look at her face. All clear! wink

Do not tear myself away from this image. So passionate!
I never considered Michael's in this aspect, I mean, he usually played with children and animals. lol
So I remember him: a very strange and unusual. , I can not imagine him in relationships with women (with men I do not see MJ too - just explain, do not think that I allude to this wink )

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Reply #338 posted 10/05/11 2:53pm

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i think their relationship was real though. or at least, that he was trying. i kind of think he found it too difficult to be in a real relationship with someone sad

if he'd started dating young it would have probably helped him. by the time the lisa thing happened he was in his mid-thirties and way too set on being alone and not having to deal with a partner or anything. i don't think he was capable of adapting at that point, with all the sycophants surrounding him and all

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Reply #339 posted 10/05/11 3:06pm

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I still feel LMP was good for Michael. As for the "kiss" I think in retrospect she felt pissed but in the moment she was out there with him giving the middle finger to all the haters - something she loved to do.

I'm glad that with time, Lisa Marie has been able to set the record straight and admit to acting hurt after the break up.

It was a tough relationship for both of them - but while it lasted it was the real deal.

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Reply #340 posted 10/05/11 4:37pm

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Flo6 said:

Totally co-sign what I put in bold. Me too I was puzzled by the idea of a 'kidnap' - first time I heard such a theory.


I believe MJ is much, much smarter than the rest of us/this world, that he has outsmarted us all on this level [escaping his demons, the forces that were after him for his money, etc,].



For the doubters of this scenario, all I'd like to know and understand from the pile of evidence and other fishy facts on/before/after 25/09 - to take just one of them - is how they fitted his 1.80 meter in such a small coffin. hmmm


Let's get to the basic maths here...



Anyway, meanwhile we are being distracted from what really happened and being thrown colorful dust into our eyes with circus and fancy shows... rolleyes




I have always thought that MJ was not in that casket at the funeral. I have always thought that for security of his remains and for family privacy that MJ was buried at an earlier secret service just for family and that the service that was televised was more like a memorial service with an empty casket. Who would no any better. Also they could conceal the true burial place of MJ from rabid fans. I think this would explain the inappropriate size of the coffin. I have never heard there was a discrepancy with the size but I am not surprised



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dag said:



This makes no sense to me. Who did they do the autopsy on? How could so many people, paramedics, doctors at the hospital get fooled into thinking it was MJ? If he's abducted, how does he manage to release the secretly taped material, Best of Joy, that she's refering to as him trying to reach out for help? And what would anyone gain from abducting him?


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i stand by the hoax theory, however i DO NOT believe michael was "kidnapped" i believe Michael is Completley and Totally behind it, ( i know you are about to give me the 'hes a crazy fan who just doesnt want to let go') but no, in all honesty i believe that michael is still here, but deffinitally NOT kidnapped.

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Reply #341 posted 10/05/11 4:48pm

Timmy84

falloff People really wanna think Michael would be that conniving. Wake up! He ain't coming back! lol Just like 2Pac ain't coming back. Just like Elvis. Hell just like Marvin. He ain't coming back. lol They ain't Jesus. lol

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Reply #342 posted 10/05/11 6:09pm

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Jackson tribute: the tears and the tribulation

A star-studded concert in memory of the King of Pop, due to take place in Cardiff this weekend, has become overshadowed by controversy. Neil McCormick reports.

Prosecutors have played a recording in which the rambling and slurring popstar talks to Conrad Murray, the doctor charged with his death, about his plans to build a children's hospital
Prosecutors have played a recording in which the rambling and slurring popstar talks to Conrad Murray, the doctor charged with his death, about his plans to build a children's hospital Photo: ASSOCIATED PRESS

Guitarist Tommy Organ knows exactly where he was when he heard news of Michael Jackson’s death: on his way to rehearse with Jackson. “I didn’t believe it,” says Organ. “I kept saying, 'The media is just picking at him again.’ I kept getting phone calls, and I was saying, 'Let me go down to rehearsal because no one’s called me to say it’s cancelled.’ Then I walked into the Staples Centre, my amp was off, and the lights were half-way turned down on stage, and I knew…”

And Organ, a big, muscular black man, starts sobbing, tears running down beneath his sunglasses.

“The day before he was on stage, dancing and singing. Next day, he was gone.”

This week, in a vast rehearsal space in west London, a tightly drilled band of LA session musicians have been running through Jackson’s hits. Organ is on guitar, snaking out the riff to Thriller, sound booming from huge speakers suspended from the roof of a room of aircraft-hanger proportions, while spotlights criss-cross the floor.

Deep into preparations for Saturday’s Michael Forever tribute concert at the Cardiff Millennium Stadium, the band shift into a shimmering, supple Human Nature, while musical director Kevin Dorsey listens intently. On an area marked out in front of the raised stage platform, a spotlight comes to rest on a microphone set up in front of a chrome-and-leather bar stool. No one sits at it.

“It’s the strangest feeling being on this stage,” says Dorsey, who worked as a backing vocalist for Jackson for more than 20 years, becoming a close musical collaborator and friend. “I’ve done hundreds of shows over the years with Mike, and I’m so used to looking to my left and there he is. When I hear the music, I always hear him. It’s a little ghostly.”

Of the nine-piece band Dorsey has assembled, six have history playing for Jackson. “This is our last hoorah with Mike.”

As is usually the case with Jackson, however, the event has been mired in controversy from the outset, creating a very public split in the Jackson family. It hasn’t helped that this weekend’s celebrations conflict with the ongoing trial in LA of Jackson’s doctor,

Conrad Murray, accused of his involuntary manslaughter. Jermaine, Randy and Janet Jackson have all been publicly critical of the event, although 13 members of the family will be attending, including Michael’s 81-year-old mother Katherine and three children (Prince, 14, Paris, 13, and Blanket, nine). Brothers Marlon, Tito and Jackie, sister La Toya and nephews 3T will all perform.

“I think in a large family where there have been disagreements all played out in the public eye, it would be a miracle to get every single member on board,” argues Chris Hunt, the urbane British CEO of Global Live, whiich is staging the event. “I don’t claim to be completely altruistic, but it is really the family’s tribute to their own.”

The closer you look, however, the more complicated things appear.

Beneficiaries of the concert include a trust fund for Jackson’s children (seeded with $100,000 and administered by

his mother, the event’s most enthusiastic cheerleader) and two of Jackson’s favoured charities (Aids Project Los Angeles and the Prince’s Trust), but it will also profit private investors and Global Live itself, one of whose directors, Paul Ring, is also an employee of LaToya Jackson’s Ja-Tail company. When you consider the conflicts the concert has inspired, it doesn’t seem so surprising that it has taken two years (and at least three failed attempts by others, including Jermaine) to get a tribute off the ground at all.

More damaging even than virulent criticism by the Michael Jackson Fan Club has been a public exchange of frosty letters with lawyers for the executors of the estate of Michael Jackson. It is the latter who, in fact, control Jackson’s name, likeness and intellectual property, at least until his children come of age, and evidently do not always see eye to eye with the Jackson family. Indeed, the Cardiff venue appears to have been chosen because, under UK intellectual property law, specific “rights of name, life story and likeness do not apply” (to quote Hunt’s written response to the estate’s criticism).

Look closely and you will notice that Michael Jackson’s name and likeness are not used on any official concert promotion, which might go some way to explaining sluggish ticket sales. This is a tribute concert that has a gaping hole where the object of its admiration ought to be.

Despite initial expectations of excess demand, the 74,000 capacity stadium has not sold out (organisers are reluctant to reveal ticket sale numbers). It will be the first global pay-per-view live broadcast on Facebook, with a potential audience of 800 million, but it currently boasts only 10,000 “likes” on its own Facebook page.

The timing has certainly been unfortunate, although Hunt argues that the concert date was set before the trial of Dr Conrad Murray was postponed to last

month. A perceived insensitivity and generally poisonous atmosphere, however, clearly hasn’t helped attract the kind of stellar line-up you might expect at a tribute to the King of Pop.

A somewhat eccentric bill features US stars Smokey Robinson, Gladys Knight, Christina Aguilera, Usher, Ne-Yo, Cee Lo Green, obscure Nineties indie rockers Alien Ant Farm and a UK contingent of former X Factor contestants, including Leona Lewis, JLS and Alexandra Burke. It’s more like a radio roadshow than a superstar extravaganza.

An invitation to pantomime heavy rockers Kiss was quickly rescinded when estate lawyer Howard Weitzman pointed out that band leader Gene Simmons had previously referred to Jackson as “a child molester”.

In the rehearsal room, Dorsey tries to shrug off controversy as irrelevant to the musicians. “The hardest part of this job has not been the music; it’s the politics,” he admits in a deep, dark voice (that fans of cult classic Ferris Bueller’s Day Off might recognise for his periodic declamations of “Oh yeah!”).

“It was always like that with Slim (his nickname for Jackson). You never knew what was true or what was gossip, and for me I didn’t care. I used to ask him, 'Doesn’t it hurt?’ and he said, 'If they’re talking about you, that means they’re thinking about you.’ So I approach it the way my friend would have wanted me to, which is no matter what happens, his music will be right.”

There won’t be any video footage or musical excerpts featuring Jackson himself at the Cardiff concert, for copyright reasons. Dorsey suggests this is no bad thing. “In our opening, we thought about having different people say 'Michael’, 'Michael’, 'Michael’, but I put a stop to it because I felt it was such downer to do all that and then him not appear. Usually when you hear that, what you see popping out of a toaster or space shuttle is Mike. But this time you’d see Ne-Yo or Leona Lewis. No disrespect to all the artists, but in my personal opinion there was no one better, and I don’t see anyone being better than Slim.

“This show is gonna be happy as hell, but it’s gonna be sad also, because the person we know for the music won’t be out front, performing.”

The empty stool in the rehearsal room seems an apt symbol for the whole Michael Forever event.

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Reply #343 posted 10/05/11 6:12pm

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Nvncible1 said:

paisleypark4 said:

No..Prince said "Obama ready to drop the bomb" 2 years before it happens. Maybe if more people read the news and pay attention then you would predict a sum of an outcome more than those who cannot also.

O SAAMAAA!!!!

Hahah how can I fuck that up!?!? Fail

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Reply #344 posted 10/05/11 6:14pm

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Global Live's attempt on making a tribute concert is a failure anyways.

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Reply #345 posted 10/05/11 6:28pm

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falloff People really wanna think Michael would be that conniving. Wake up! He ain't coming back! lol Just like 2Pac ain't coming back. Just like Elvis. Hell just like Marvin. He ain't coming back. lol They ain't Jesus. lol

LOOOOL!!! No, they're not. lol

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Reply #346 posted 10/05/11 7:16pm

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Timmy84 said:

falloff People really wanna think Michael would be that conniving. Wake up! He ain't coming back! lol Just like 2Pac ain't coming back. Just like Elvis. Hell just like Marvin. He ain't coming back. lol They ain't Jesus. lol

LOOOOL!!! No, they're not. lol

Oh he's alive he's just in hiding from the illuminati lol

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Reply #347 posted 10/05/11 7:25pm

Timmy84

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crazymouse said:

LOOOOL!!! No, they're not. lol

Oh he's alive he's just in hiding from the illuminati lol

And Pac's with him. lol

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Reply #348 posted 10/05/11 7:30pm

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aardvark15 said:

Oh he's alive he's just in hiding from the illuminati lol

And Pac's with him. lol

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Reply #349 posted 10/05/11 7:31pm

Timmy84

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Timmy84 said:

And Pac's with him. lol

Classic. falloff

"And what the fuck is that? It might be doo-doo!" falloff

Miss ya Chappelle! biggrin

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Reply #350 posted 10/05/11 7:35pm

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Timmy84 said:

aardvark15 said:

Classic. falloff

"And what the fuck is that? It might be doo-doo!" falloff

Miss ya Chappelle! biggrin

Love that part. In the style of Rick James "Chappelle was a helluva drug"

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Reply #351 posted 10/05/11 7:53pm

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I'm gonna buy it just for the mix of Heartbreak Hotel

I'd love for the estate to release a "stripped" compilation of michael's songs

Yes, I remember this.. The cellist Tina Guo did an amazing job at the beginning of This Place Hotel.

This album is going to be really good. I thought the majority of the mixes for the show were great. I know it's not "new" music, but after attending the show, I am really excited for this album.

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Reply #352 posted 10/05/11 11:26pm

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Derek1984 said:

bboy87 said:

I'm gonna buy it just for the mix of Heartbreak Hotel

I'd love for the estate to release a "stripped" compilation of michael's songs

Yes, I remember this.. The cellist Tina Guo did an amazing job at the beginning of This Place Hotel.

This album is going to be really good. I thought the majority of the mixes for the show were great. I know it's not "new" music, but after attending the show, I am really excited for this album.

Well The Beatles Love soundtrack to the cirque show of the same name wasn't new music either and the love and deidcation they brought to that blew me away - so I hope (and expect) the same for this release.

I think of neysayers on this release will end up loving it.

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Reply #353 posted 10/05/11 11:29pm

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^^ And I'm LOVING hearing live horns playing accents on that track.

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Reply #354 posted 10/06/11 3:52am

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I just checked the Immortal Tour dates & cities.

I can't believe that among the 47 towns and 'villages' [seriously, with all my respect for their dwellers, some small towns in the middle of nowhere I've never heard of] that they have picked, Boston is not included!!.. What's wrong with them?!.. disbelief

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Reply #355 posted 10/06/11 7:25am

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The Immortal CD IS going to be really good. I was really impressed with what they did with the mixes. There were acapella's, remixes... I saw Greg Philliganes there and he's the musical director. He knows what to do with MJ's music. I'll be buying the deluxe version. I think some fans are going to be surprised how good this album will be.

I forgot to add.... Greg played the piano to an acapella version of I'll Be There. Sounded amazing.

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Reply #356 posted 10/06/11 8:14am

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Due to unavoidabl e circumstances, the Black Eyed Peas will be unable to perform at this Saturday’s Michael Forever event. Chris Hunt, CEO Global Live Events, said: “It is with regret that we announce the removal of Black Eyed Peas from the Michael Forever bill, but I look forward to a great night with other earth shattering artists. The event is really getting into gear and is going to be a fantastic evening for all”.


Why do I get the feeling that Will I am got his eyes opened (after dealing directly with GLE) and said "Hell Naw! I don't want any part of this."

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Reply #357 posted 10/06/11 8:19am

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Does anybody know the setlist or have to the setlist of the recent MJ tribute concert?

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I'm on KOPD and looking through the thread about the autopsy report, there was a message from someone who worked on the TII shows

A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..


Hi,

My name is jhon. I will spare a second name as i do not want any lawsuits brought against me by AEG or any company affiliated with them.

I worked as part of the technical team on Michaels This is it production.

Firstly let me just say, Michael was a good man, i bare him no ill will or malice, but the reason for this posting is for a few simple reasons--I am publicly not permitted to talk about any aspect of the this is it production. Everyone who worked on that has been told not to give any kind of public statement, only officials or people who are granted permission by AEG are allowed to discuss publicly about the production. People who are allowed are the obvious ones, such as directors(Kenny etc.) Dancers, a few people from production(set, costume designers), musical director etc, the dancers etc...

Understand this...everything that is being said by these people has been vetted and checked. They are told which details to reveal.

MY main anger and point of this article is 3 main things, that i witnessed but did not see in the dvd movie(that my nephew purchased)

1. Many of the vocals used in this is it movie are not the vocals i heard. Please hear me out.
I heard Michael sing ALL of his songs without playback, in the rehearsals we NEVER USE PLAYBACK. When i was younger and starting out i got a job on Michaels earlier tour in 1991. I worked as a junior in productions, and i witnessed 2 rehearsal sessions.--there was no playback, even though when he had taken the show out of rehearsals and onto the road there was a playback. I am sure you can find rehearsals from an earlier tour on the INTERNET--just look into it-he never uses playback on rehearsals-it is pointless because there is no audience .
Basically from my experience with Michael, he never uses playback in rehearsals.--it is a waste, as there is no audience.

I am unhappy that Kenny did not show Michaels real voice on a few songs.

2. My second problem is that some performances from Michael has been left out. He turned up for around 3 rehearsals a week, out of a 6 day week. And in the end had done around 4 full rehearsals before june 25th.

How it worked was like this---Michael spent time learning the moves with his choreographer, and would come in and rehearse with the dancers on average 1-2 times a week, the 3rd day when he was at rehersals he looked into productions and had costume fittings etc.. When Michael was absent there would be a double, just to step in(so the dancers could rehearse). I blatantly saw this double in the movie, in the Smooth criminal performance. You see, that background(with the towers and building)was fully completed after his death. Any footage of him in-front of those building in smooth criminal is not him, HOWEVER IT IS MICHAEL WHEN THE BACKGROUND IS WHITE. That particular scene was confusing, as they mixed the 2 footages together-the footage of the buildings is used with a Michael step in( a double), and when he is in-front of a white screen that is him.-confusing but watch that scene again and you will know what i mean.--it is him when he says POW and he is in front of a WHITE screen, BUT IT IS THE DOUBLE WHEN HE IS IN-FRONT OF A 3D BACKGROUND OF BUILDINGS.

Other performances that, after researching it, has been denied. MICHAEL did perform dirty Diana--it was a masterpiece.---granted Michael did not sound all that good, it was only rehearsal.--he did it twice. The set up was excellent.---why AEG are denying it had taken place i do not know.

We are the world was also performed, and heal the world and a few others.

iNFACT IF YOU LOOK HARD ENOUGH ON THE INTERNET YOU WILL FIND FANS THAT HAVE RECORDED HIM PERFORMING DIRTY DIANA(ON THERE PHONES OUTSIDE STAPLE CENTRE), BUT KENNY HAS DENIED THAT HE PERFORMED IT.

I just wanted to let you guys, the real fans, that there is the real footage out there somewhere and one day you will hopefully get to see it.

3. MY third problem with the movie is it did not address the health concerns that we all saw. Not the thinness, Michael, if my memory serves me well has always been thin-this was not a problem. The problems that i saw, was basically Michael had some problem with his feet. After his rehearsal with the dancers, he would usually be in a great deal of pain, from his feet. I don't know if any one can shed some light on this, but someone on set said his skin on his feel tears easily and has become very sensitive-after years of putting them to use i guessed-this is why Michaels dancers were going to do a large number of the heavy routines, with Michael only participating in a few dance routines(such as beat it the way you make me feel), the rest of the time he would be just walking around stage, filling the room with his presence

He was also in great pain from his back. Although this is not in the movie, but on days that Michael was not there randy, don't know his second name but from my understanding at the time, he was the man who was funding this elaborate show, randy was always talking to Kenny about Michaels and his worries about him not completing 50. Randy and Kenny were talking a lot, and made alot of plans in-case his health fails, Randy also hired a doctor for Michael.

Kenny, as instructed by Randy, always made sure the camera's were rolling on the days mj turned up for rehearsals, although he denies this, but these film footages were made as a guarantee, that if something happened he would have something get his investment back on. I don't know if you fans know this, or whether it is common knowledge or not, but Kenny and Randy are cousins(i think distant)

In fact we were all told that if we saw Michael and his entourage we were to send word to Kenny immediately so as he could instruct the camera men to film.

Well i have said my peace...

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #359 posted 10/06/11 9:50am

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I don't know why people always say the MJ/Lisa Marie kiss at the awards show was awkward. She always looked pretty into it, to me.

Because they want Mike to be a paedophile and so whenever he showed affection for ladies, it was disregarded as fake or awkward. I always thought they were happy. They sure did look that way and comfortable with each other. You can't fake that.

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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