GettOffMyLand said:

Damn people move on already. People can disagree but if you think someone is a troll, ignore them, don't feed them...report that shit but don't carry it 4 f***ing pages. This is the shit that made most people leave MJ boards and come here. I don't want to move again!! I like my new home

Yeah do like I do, pretend you're just scrolling but you don't actually see the post lol that's what I do.

If he suffered from any kind of mental illness, or if you are going by your theories, then he should have gotten help for it, why would you call death on anyone, especially from a murder a blessing for their children? That is the stupidest thing I've read on this board to date from anyone, I'm sorry but I had to say it. Not trying to put you down here, but really?!

Imaginative said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

We have that ability. We just don't want you spewing your negativity where it is not needed.

Since when do you speak for all of the members of Prince.org?

I can pose a similar question: If you don't want to be exposed to such horrible negativity, why do YOU keep coming here? Isn't there a Neverland Board for you somewhere, where everyone looks at Jackson through the same rose-colored glasses you wear?

Yes, he was mentally ill. This is not really up for debate. People of sound mind and body do not take anesthesia recreationally. People who are not mentally ill do not kill themselves, especially when they are the sole parent to three young children.

Again, I reiterate.. this thread is to "DISCUSS ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING MJ." Apparently, you don't have the constitution to "discuss" the "everything" and "anything" part, so it's YOU who doesn't belong.

I don't like MJ forums, to be honest.

Come on. Be real. Us Michael fans don't want you spewing your negativity. You and I both know that.

And, no, you cannot just proclaim him mentally ill simply because he took drugs. Plenty of people take drugs, doesn't make them mentally ill. He didn't kill himself either.

And even if it is "anything" and everything", you know that this is a hub for all MJ fans, and all the trolls get kicked off. If you're not wanted, you might as well just:

Timmy84 said:

Does anyone else prefer this to the original?

alphastreet said:

If he suffered from any kind of mental illness, or if you are going by your theories, then he should have gotten help for it, why would you call death on anyone, especially from a murder a blessing for their children? That is the stupidest thing I've read on this board to date from anyone, I'm sorry but I had to say it. Not trying to put you down here, but really?!

I agree, he SHOULD have gotten help for it, especially when there are children involved. As I said, I feel that he was not a responsible parent. I don't know, maybe it's the dangling of the child over the balcony or the recreational anesthesia.

I'm sure he loved them, but his children were obviously victims of his mental illness and they are MUCH better off being raised by an emotionally stable adult, if at all possible. Is it really your position that it's okay for a single parent to take Anesthesia every day?

smoothcriminal12 said:

Timmy84 said:

Does anyone else prefer this to the original?

I do!

Get outta that box! :helpssmoothcriminalout:

Will you just stop responding some of the fans make it worse and yes obviously Michael wasn’t mentally right I’m sure I wouldn’t be either if I went through half the stuff he went through but I won’t focus on that let’s just focus on his gift please smh.

Anyway can someone direct me to some good Michael photos I know some sites but need some really good ones it would be appreciated.

smoothcriminal12 said:

I don't like MJ forums, to be honest.

Come on. Be real. Us Michael fans don't want you spewing your negativity. You and I both know that.

And, no, you cannot just proclaim him mentally ill simply because he took drugs. Plenty of people take drugs, doesn't make them mentally ill. He didn't kill himself either.

And even if it is "anything" and everything", you know that this is a hub for all MJ fans, and all the trolls get kicked off. If you're not wanted, you might as well just:

If you don't want it, leave. Why is it okay to have threads critical of Dylan, The Beatles, Madonna, The Rolling Stone, etc., but nothing negative can be said about Jackson? This is a PRINCE board, and folks have absolutely no problem dealing with negativity about him. Why don't you just be an adult and GROW UP?

He didn't take just any drug... he took ANESTHESIA every day!!! How old are you? Do you know that ANYTIME you take anesthesia in a hospital, you have to sign your life away because of the risks? And he took it everyday with no consideration to the welfare of his children. Have you ever heard of another human being taking ANESTHESIA recreationally?

Wow. There is negativity and there is realilty. You seem to have a hard time dealing with either.

[Edited 7/5/11 16:39pm]

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Does anyone else prefer this to the original?

I do!

Get outta that box! :helpssmoothcriminalout:

Thank God I'm not the only one.

Imaginative said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I don't like MJ forums, to be honest.

Come on. Be real. Us Michael fans don't want you spewing your negativity. You and I both know that.

And, no, you cannot just proclaim him mentally ill simply because he took drugs. Plenty of people take drugs, doesn't make them mentally ill. He didn't kill himself either.

And even if it is "anything" and everything", you know that this is a hub for all MJ fans, and all the trolls get kicked off. If you're not wanted, you might as well just:

If you don't want it, leave. Why is it okay to have Dylan, The Beatles, Madonna, etc. are over-rated threads, but the same can't be said about Jackson? This is a PRINCE board, and folks have no problem dealing with negativity about him.

He didn't take just any drug... he took ANESTHESIA every day!!! How old are you? Do you know that ANYTIME you take anesthesia in a hospital, you have to sign your life away because of the risks? And he took it everyday with no consideration to the welfare of his children. Have you ever heard of another human being taking ANESTHESIA recreationally?

Wow. There is negativity and there is realilty. You seem to have a hard time dealing with either.

I'm done feeding the troll, cause this is gonna go on forever.

Imaginative said:

Emancipation89 said:

I think there have been many many songs that have been written by MJ and recorded but never released...

And this is just up to Dangerous era...

Outtakes are compelling when they come from prolific artists who generally create more music than they can release.

Jackson released a total of 6 albums of original material in the 30 years following Off the Wall. Given this, and the quality of material on the posthumous Michael, it seems highly unlikely that any lost classics will be unearthed.

[Edited 7/5/11 16:23pm]

Says who? Maybe to you I guess.

I remember reading an interview where MJ talked about his imagery and music business. He pretty much explained why he's doing what he's doing. He was a firm believer of "being mysterious" when it comes to...pretty much everything including his personal image and persona. He said he wanted to make the crowd "wait" by giving a gap of at least 4 or 5 years between releasing studio albums. I sure wish he could've released more albums but I can't say what would've worked best for him, commercial-success wise...and neither can you. He just did what he thought was best for him. And I think he earned huge amount of success from Bad and Dangerous by doing that. They didn't top Thriller but those two albums are on the list of best selling albums of all time. He also had mentioned several times that he's a perfectionist that he won't release an album unless he thinks it's perfect.

After History...I think he was very suffering from the pressure from his record company. He did a public interview and talked about how Sony was treating him, how they were rushing him to release new albums, and how they were not letting him put certain songs on the album...etc.

Timmy84 said:

GettOffMyLand said:

Damn people move on already. People can disagree but if you think someone is a troll, ignore them, don't feed them...report that shit but don't carry it 4 f***ing pages. This is the shit that made most people leave MJ boards and come here. I don't want to move again!! I like my new home

Yeah do like I do, pretend you're just scrolling but you don't actually see the post lol that's what I do.

Sowwy 2 u both...please ignore us...to me it's kinda interesting to see negative perspective of MJ...as long as it's not personally disrespectful...

Timmy84 said:

GettOffMyLand said:

Damn people move on already. People can disagree but if you think someone is a troll, ignore them, don't feed them...report that shit but don't carry it 4 f***ing pages. This is the shit that made most people leave MJ boards and come here. I don't want to move again!! I like my new home

Yeah do like I do, pretend you're just scrolling but you don't actually see the post lol that's what I do.

Sorry Timmy. Usually I never do this but Michael has a soft spot in my heart.

Can someone direct me to a good Michael photo site. Please ? wow

Emancipation89 said:

Imaginative said:

Outtakes are compelling when they come from prolific artists who generally create more music than they can release.

Jackson released a total of 6 albums of original material in the 30 years following Off the Wall. Given this, and the quality of material on the posthumous Michael, it seems highly unlikely that any lost classics will be unearthed.

[Edited 7/5/11 16:23pm]

Says who? Maybe to you I guess.

I remember reading an interview where MJ talked about his imagery and music business. He pretty much explained why he's doing what he's doing. He was a firm believer of "being mysterious" when it comes to...pretty much everything including his personal image and persona. He said he wanted to make the crowd "wait" by giving a gap of at least 4 or 5 years between releasing studio albums. I sure wish he could've released more albums but I can't say what would've worked best for him, commercial-success wise...and neither can you. He just did what he thought was best for him. And I think he earned huge amount of success from Bad and Dangerous by doing that. They didn't top Thriller but those two albums are on the list of best selling albums of all time. He also had mentioned several times that he's a perfectionist that he won't release an album unless he thinks it's perfect.

After History...I think he was very suffering from the pressure from his record company. He did a public interview and talked about how Sony was treating him, how they were rushing him to release new albums, and how they were not letting him put certain songs on the album...etc.

Hey, I'd love to hear an amazing new track as much as the next guy, but realistically, it just seems unlikely. I don't think Michael had the same relationship to music as someone like McCartney and Prince had, where music (to use Ellington's term) is their Mistress. I get the feeling that Jackson could easily go years without much musical expression and it really wouldn't bother him.

Curious as to your thoughts as why the better material was left off of Michael and This Is It. Seems like that would have been the time to get killer outtakes out to the public.

Imaginative said:

He didn't take just any drug... he took ANESTHESIA every day!!! How old are you? Do you know that ANYTIME you take anesthesia in a hospital, you have to sign your life away because of the risks? And he took it everyday with no consideration to the welfare of his children. Have you ever heard of another human being taking ANESTHESIA recreationally?

Wow. There is negativity and there is realilty. You seem to have a hard time dealing with either.

[Edited 7/5/11 16:39pm]

...I can see why you think it was very irresponsible of him to take anesthetic drug every day...and I agree I wish he could've made better choices. But that doesn't mean Michael was mentally ill. He trusted so-called "doctors" around him and I think that was his biggest mistake.

[Edited 7/5/11 16:50pm]

Imaginative said:

alphastreet said:

If he suffered from any kind of mental illness, or if you are going by your theories, then he should have gotten help for it, why would you call death on anyone, especially from a murder a blessing for their children? That is the stupidest thing I've read on this board to date from anyone, I'm sorry but I had to say it. Not trying to put you down here, but really?!

I agree, he SHOULD have gotten help for it, especially when there are children involved. As I said, I feel that he was not a responsible parent. I don't know, maybe it's the dangling of the child over the balcony or the recreational anesthesia.

I'm sure he loved them, but his children were obviously victims of his mental illness and they are MUCH better off being raised by an emotionally stable adult, if at all possible. Is it really your position that it's okay for a single parent to take Anesthesia every day?

He was desperate to sleep and medical ethics were out the window, someone still is here to answer to THAT. And that someone knew exactly how it worked, and STILL left him unattended and used it without proper equipment, should have told him to not tour but only saw opportunity and was even getting upset with AEG and took matters into his own hands. He had taken it on tour in the past whether you agree or not, but he was also familiar with it and didn't want it at all when it was offered to him for a dental procedure a few years back.

Imaginative said:

Emancipation89 said:

Says who? Maybe to you I guess.

I remember reading an interview where MJ talked about his imagery and music business. He pretty much explained why he's doing what he's doing. He was a firm believer of "being mysterious" when it comes to...pretty much everything including his personal image and persona. He said he wanted to make the crowd "wait" by giving a gap of at least 4 or 5 years between releasing studio albums. I sure wish he could've released more albums but I can't say what would've worked best for him, commercial-success wise...and neither can you. He just did what he thought was best for him. And I think he earned huge amount of success from Bad and Dangerous by doing that. They didn't top Thriller but those two albums are on the list of best selling albums of all time. He also had mentioned several times that he's a perfectionist that he won't release an album unless he thinks it's perfect.

After History...I think he was very suffering from the pressure from his record company. He did a public interview and talked about how Sony was treating him, how they were rushing him to release new albums, and how they were not letting him put certain songs on the album...etc.

Hey, I'd love to hear an amazing new track as much as the next guy, but realistically, it just seems unlikely. I don't think Michael had the same relationship to music as someone like McCartney and Prince had, where music (to use Ellington's term) is their Mistress. I get the feeling that Jackson could easily go years without much musical expression and it really wouldn't bother him.

Curious as to your thoughts as why the better material was left off of Michael and This Is It. Seems like that would have been the time to get killer outtakes out to the public.

Lots of outtakes were leaked on the net in the past decade, as well as released commercially on rereleases and greatest hits packages. As for his relationship to music, Prince and McCartney weren't working since grade school and touring practically every year, I doubt he got much of a vacation as a child, so it makes sense why he took long breaks though they got frustrating later on.

babybugz said:

Can someone direct me to a good Michael photo site. Please ? wow

Steady Laughing ain't online anymore? I know MJJPictures is still in hiatus. Maybe that MJ Photos Collector site. That's the only MJ picture sites I know.

alphastreet said:

Imaginative said:

Hey, I'd love to hear an amazing new track as much as the next guy, but realistically, it just seems unlikely. I don't think Michael had the same relationship to music as someone like McCartney and Prince had, where music (to use Ellington's term) is their Mistress. I get the feeling that Jackson could easily go years without much musical expression and it really wouldn't bother him.

Curious as to your thoughts as why the better material was left off of Michael and This Is It. Seems like that would have been the time to get killer outtakes out to the public.

Lots of outtakes were leaked on the net in the past decade, as well as released commercially on rereleases and greatest hits packages. As for his relationship to music, Prince and McCartney weren't working since grade school and touring practically every year, I doubt he got much of a vacation as a child, so it makes sense why he took long breaks though they got frustrating later on.

That's what I'm saying; I don't think people like Prince and McCartney regard music as "work." I think for Jackson, music must have been somwhat of a chore or common sense says he would have created more of it.

Do you have to take vacations to stop doing things you love to do? No, of course not. We take vacations to DO things we love to do.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

Can someone direct me to a good Michael photo site. Please ? wow

Steady Laughing ain't online anymore? I know MJJPictures is still in hiatus. Maybe that MJ Photos Collector site. That's the only MJ picture sites I know.

Thank You timmy for not being a delusional dumbass fan and responding to politely answering my question it is appreciated. I'm Out

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

Steady Laughing ain't online anymore? I know MJJPictures is still in hiatus. Maybe that MJ Photos Collector site. That's the only MJ picture sites I know.

Thank You timmy for not being a delusional dumbass fan and responding to politely answering my question it is appreciated. I'm Out

lmao hell someone had to be there. out.

alphastreet said:

Imaginative said:

Is it really your position that it's okay for a single parent to take Anesthesia every day?

He was desperate to sleep and medical ethics were out the window, someone still is here to answer to THAT. And that someone knew exactly how it worked, and STILL left him unattended and used it without proper equipment, should have told him to not tour but only saw opportunity and was even getting upset with AEG and took matters into his own hands. He had taken it on tour in the past whether you agree or not, but he was also familiar with it and didn't want it at all when it was offered to him for a dental procedure a few years back.

So you're saying it was okay and good parenting? Curious, why don't you like the MJ forums? Not enough traffic?

[Edited 7/5/11 17:21pm]

sorry babybugz, I would have answered you if I knew of a site, I can't think of one right now, though there used to be a russian site years ago, wish I remembered the URL. Tumblr usually has awesome ones though.

Imaginative: your curiousity just led to making an ass out of yourself

[Edited 7/5/11 17:41pm]

Imaginative said:

Emancipation89 said:

Says who? Maybe to you I guess.

I remember reading an interview where MJ talked about his imagery and music business. He pretty much explained why he's doing what he's doing. He was a firm believer of "being mysterious" when it comes to...pretty much everything including his personal image and persona. He said he wanted to make the crowd "wait" by giving a gap of at least 4 or 5 years between releasing studio albums. I sure wish he could've released more albums but I can't say what would've worked best for him, commercial-success wise...and neither can you. He just did what he thought was best for him. And I think he earned huge amount of success from Bad and Dangerous by doing that. They didn't top Thriller but those two albums are on the list of best selling albums of all time. He also had mentioned several times that he's a perfectionist that he won't release an album unless he thinks it's perfect.

After History...I think he was very suffering from the pressure from his record company. He did a public interview and talked about how Sony was treating him, how they were rushing him to release new albums, and how they were not letting him put certain songs on the album...etc.

Hey, I'd love to hear an amazing new track as much as the next guy, but realistically, it just seems unlikely. I don't think Michael had the same relationship to music as someone like McCartney and Prince had, where music (to use Ellington's term) is their Mistress. I get the feeling that Jackson could easily go years without much musical expression and it really wouldn't bother him.

Curious as to your thoughts as why the better material was left off of Michael and This Is It. Seems like that would have been the time to get killer outtakes out to the public.

Because of what he felt as "overflooding" of material from 1969-1982, he wanted every album to have its own period/era

1979- Off The Wall

Destiny Tour/Off The Wall Tour- 1979-early 1980

5 singles from June 1979 to May 1980

the Jacksons' Triumph album, tour, and live album followed in July 1980 to November 1981

1982- Thriller

7 singles from October 1982 to February 1984

Victory album and tour in July 1984 to December 1984

because of overexposure and initial backlash, he spent 1985-1987 making Bad, Captain EO, the "Moonwalk" autobiography, We Are The World, and other projects that fell through

1987- Bad

9 singles from June 1987 to April 1989

Bad Tour from September 1987 to January 1989

Moonwalker in winter 1988/early 1989

various videos in 1987-1989

Moonwalk book

Moonwalker videogame in 1990

1991- Dangerous

Dangerous tour from June '92- November '93

Dancing The Dream book

videos from November 1991-fall 1993

as for MICHAEL, the Michael Jackson Estate and Sony using the "the album Michael Jackson was working on when he died" marketing tag but that wasn't the case. Michael was working on 2 albums when he passed but the Michael album isn't one of them

Hold My Hand- planned for the album but after the rough cut leaked, it was shelved

Hollywood Tonight- originated in 1999, then reworked through 2003-2007

Behind The Mask- an outtake from Thriller

Much Too Soon- another outtake from Thriller. the version on the album was recorded in 1994 during the HIStory sessions

Another Day is from 2000, the Invincible sessions

Best Of Joy- the only song on the album that's from 2009

The Way You Love Me- originally released in 2004, but then remixed for MICHAEL

the other 3 songs are constantly being debated whether it's really Michael singing

because

-some producers are reluctant to hand the songs they worked on with Michael to the estate, prompting them to not give permission for their release (eg. Will I Am)

and Michael not finalizing much material during his last recording sessions, the estate made a compilation. The other album Michael was working on was to be classical inspired project but it seems the estate has yet to comission it

they're still doing inventory on his unreleased material such as songs, videos, concerts, poems, and artwork

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

Steady Laughing ain't online anymore? I know MJJPictures is still in hiatus. Maybe that MJ Photos Collector site. That's the only MJ picture sites I know.

Thank You timmy for not being a delusional dumbass fan and responding to politely answering my question it is appreciated. I'm Out

Hey!

Have you checked out MJ Photos Collectors? it's a pretty nice site and they have a lot of photos

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www.mjphotocollectors.com

Imaginative said:

alphastreet said:

Lots of outtakes were leaked on the net in the past decade, as well as released commercially on rereleases and greatest hits packages. As for his relationship to music, Prince and McCartney weren't working since grade school and touring practically every year, I doubt he got much of a vacation as a child, so it makes sense why he took long breaks though they got frustrating later on.

That's what I'm saying; I don't think people like Prince and McCartney regard music as "work." I think for Jackson, music must have been somwhat of a chore or common sense says he would have created more of it.

Do you have to take vacations to stop doing things you love to do? No, of course not. We take vacations to DO things we love to do.

I don't think it was the music, but it probably was about him being too lazy to want to go through the whole process of releasing an album, making videos, doing a world tour, etc. He never sped through albums, like Prince, he wanted to make each album an era. Probably because of the sales he could get. The more you stretch out an album, the more sales you get, and we all know that Michael was a sales whore.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Imaginative said:

That's what I'm saying; I don't think people like Prince and McCartney regard music as "work." I think for Jackson, music must have been somwhat of a chore or common sense says he would have created more of it.

Do you have to take vacations to stop doing things you love to do? No, of course not. We take vacations to DO things we love to do.

I don't think it was the music, but it probably was about him being too lazy to want to go through the whole process of releasing an album, making videos, doing a world tour, etc. He never sped through albums, like Prince, he wanted to make each album an era. Probably because of the sales he could get. The more you stretch out an album, the more sales you get, and we all know that Michael was a sales whore.

it was more about fleshing a project out. The Bad era wasn't just about the album, it was the videos, the tours, the singles, Moonwalk, Moonwalker, and the look

If you think about it, he would promote an album for at least 2 or 3 years, then would retreat and then work on the next album

He promoted Thriller from late 1982 to late 1984, spent 1985 to 1987 making Bad, EO, and doing deals. Promoted back from 1987 to early 1989 promoting Bad, then spent 1989-1991 making Dangerous, for example

bboy87 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I don't think it was the music, but it probably was about him being too lazy to want to go through the whole process of releasing an album, making videos, doing a world tour, etc. He never sped through albums, like Prince, he wanted to make each album an era. Probably because of the sales he could get. The more you stretch out an album, the more sales you get, and we all know that Michael was a sales whore.

it was more about fleshing a project out. The Bad era wasn't just about the album, it was the videos, the tours, the singles, Moonwalk, Moonwalker, and the look

If you think about it, he would promote an album for at least 2 or 3 years, then would retreat and then work on the next album

He promoted Thriller from late 1982 to late 1984, spent 1985 to 1987 making Bad, EO, and doing deals. Promoted back from 1987 to early 1989 promoting Bad, then spent 1989-1991 making Dangerous, for example

That's true. He wasn't just about the music - everything had to be an extravagent show, which is quite sad, because it takes away from the real focus - the music.