Y'know I watched LaToya on Piers last night...and let me say, I have a whole new respect for the woman. Granted, she said somethings that didn't make sense...

But she's a lot stronger than I gave her credit for. I knew her ex was abusive, but I didn't know it was really that bad. Or that her parents even consented to her marrying that guy. And that he threatened to kill her brother (somehow, I'm iffy on that myself.). I think at some points she sounded really genuine, at other times, she seemed talking out of her ass.

What sounded genuine is the love she has for Mike. And I respect that a lot.

What did you guys think exactly of what she said? Any difference of opinions?

[Edited 6/22/11 8:23am]

Swa said:

The Jackson kids recently got a glimpse of the coolest Michael Jackson memorial yet -- in the form of a SICK custom-painted motorcycle ... depicting the King of Pop at various stages in his career.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Y'know I watched LaToya on Piers last night...and let me say, I have a whole new respect for the woman. Granted, she said somethings that didn't make sense...

But she's a lot stronger than I gave her credit for. I knew her ex was abusive, but I didn't know it was really that bad. Or that her parents even consented to her marrying that guy. And that he threatened to kill her brother (somehow, I'm iffy on that myself.). I think at some points she sounded really genuine, at other times, she seemed talking out of her ass.

What sounded genuine is the love she has for Mike. And I respect that a lot.

What did you guys think exactly of what she said? Any difference of opinions?

[Edited 6/22/11 8:23am]

See, the thing about Latoya is that she tells so many lies, it makes it really hard to know when she is actually telling the truth or not. Sometimes she does tell the truth, but honestly, I think she tells more lies than truth. I caught part of the interview on Piers last night and all I could do is smh. Yeah she’s really good at acting like she’s sincere and genuine with her statements, but I remember how she went on several talk shows saying how Joe abused them both physically and sexually and that she knew about Michael’s inappropriate conduct with boys and she seemed oh so sincere and genuine about those claims too, like she really was being honest and truthful. Now she’s saying how great Joe is but refuses to directly answer whether or not she stands by her claims she made about Joe back then and says she was “forced” by her dead ex-husband to say those things. She says she knows who the people are who conspired to have Michael murdered but wont name them, only tells people to buy her book and “read between the lines” Really cant trust anything that comes out of her mouth.

I never supported Latoya back in the day because she lied about Michael and added fuel to the fire from the first allegtations. I understand now she was under duress from her husband Jack but I cant believe he had that much control over her. She redeemed herself in my eyes when she finally left her husband and recanted every damaging comment she made about her family. She came across to me very sincere and pretty candid when she talked about Michael forgiving her. The only thing Im not buying is her belief that there was a conspiracy to kill MJ. She cant name names but she throws it out there like its a fact. She has a book to promote she has to include something titalating to create a buzz. Due to her history I take anything she says with a 'grain of salt'.

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[Edited 6/22/11 9:34am]

NaughtyKitty said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Y'know I watched LaToya on Piers last night...and let me say, I have a whole new respect for the woman. Granted, she said somethings that didn't make sense...

But she's a lot stronger than I gave her credit for. I knew her ex was abusive, but I didn't know it was really that bad. Or that her parents even consented to her marrying that guy. And that he threatened to kill her brother (somehow, I'm iffy on that myself.). I think at some points she sounded really genuine, at other times, she seemed talking out of her ass.

What sounded genuine is the love she has for Mike. And I respect that a lot.

What did you guys think exactly of what she said? Any difference of opinions?

[Edited 6/22/11 8:23am]

See, the thing about Latoya is that she tells so many lies, it makes it really hard to know when she is actually telling the truth or not. Sometimes she does tell the truth, but honestly, I think she tells more lies than truth. I caught part of the interview on Piers last night and all I could do is smh. Yeah she’s really good at acting like she’s sincere and genuine with her statements, but I remember how she went on several talk shows saying how Joe abused them both physically and sexually and that she knew about Michael’s inappropriate conduct with boys and she seemed oh so sincere and genuine about those claims too, like she really was being honest and truthful. Now she’s saying how great Joe is but refuses to directly answer whether or not she stands by her claims she made about Joe back then and says she was “forced” by her dead ex-husband to say those things. She says she knows who the people are who conspired to have Michael murdered but wont name them, only tells people to buy her book and “read between the lines” Really cant trust anything that comes out of her mouth.

I agree. And personally I still don't trust her.

She did say a lot of stuff that made me go or . She was like "If only I had done more, Michael would still be alive. I wouldn't have allowed this to happen." Noble sentiment, but SERIOUSLY? Michael was a very private person. JANET loved/loves her brother more than any of them, and she could barely come near him. I don't think ANY of his family knew of his taking Propofol, or that he even needed it to fall asleep (which btw, I think he needed to address the reasons WHY he wasn't falling asleep than go to a quick and very dangerous fix). I agree Michael was "clean" from any of the harder drugs that he used to do, but he obviously had some issues if he was taking a drug that's not supposed to be used except in a hospital setting. That was an error in judgement on his part.

Piers confronted LaToya on the denouncing of her brother, and said "there's only so much you can blame on someone else". She agreed and I figured that was genuine. But the whole "He was gonna kill Michael"...I didn't believe that. Not for one second. I realized LaToya was a battered woman, but even some things you just can't believe no matter what. Riiiiiiight, he was going to get close enough to Michael to have him whacked. Either she's delusional, or the ex is. Or both.

Her allegations about who conspired to kill her brother, while I do believe he was murdered, I think she was talking out of her ass there. She has no proof, and had no reason to say these things unless she could prove it. I never heard of Michael calling LaToya in a frantic phonecall whispering "help me, they're gonna kill me". Please, if this was true, she should've gone straight to the cops or take action. If he was my brother, I'd've done so. His safety is the most important, above public speculation.

And Michael wasn't so understanding of her betrayal if I remember correctly. I think he didn't speak to her for 10 years nad in the early 2000's he finally forgave her. In any case, I felt when she spoke about loving her brother, she was genuine. And her struggle to finally leave her ex was truly inspirational. hence my newfound respect.

Free2BMe said:

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

Almost two years to the day that we lost such a remarkable human being. His personal issues aside, no artist defined my childhood and love for music as much as this man.

I remember driving to class and preparing to do a group presentation and my cousin called and said MJ was dead. I was thinking it was a sick joke, but I remember the radios cutting into regular programming to announce he was in critical condition. I remembered being paralyzed with so many feelings of sadness. Never been to a concert, but lived for the music, the videos, and whatever was coming next from the guy. By the time I got to school, I just couldn't bring myself to do the presentation that day, but went to the lobby to watch the TV and all the video montages, celebrity testimonials, and eulogies started pouring in.

Even writing this, I find myself just listening to some of the old J5/MJ songs like "Music and Me", "With a Child's Heart", and "Happy" thinking how in the 50 years he was on this Earth, even as a child, his music, talent, and charisma just transcended those of everyone else around him. Katherine and Joe Jackson, despite whatever failings they may have had as parents, gave us a wonderfully talented group of children who provided the world with beautiful sounds. Most specifically, they provided us with Michael, a once in a lifetime entertainer who combined otherwordly talents to become the greatest entertainer of all time.

In the end, others may play instruments, others may have redefined pop culture as a group, and others still may wear a man made tile of music royalty in a bygone era, but no man (IMO) has had the far reaching global appeal of MJ and with the 2 year anniversary coming up, I hope those of us who grew up on this man's music keep his music front and center for future generations to cherish and admire forever.

Love lives forever....

Eloquent tribute. I agree with every single word. Beautiful.

Thanks. In a way, since June 25th of that year, the world seems a much emptier place.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

NaughtyKitty said:

See, the thing about Latoya is that she tells so many lies, it makes it really hard to know when she is actually telling the truth or not. Sometimes she does tell the truth, but honestly, I think she tells more lies than truth. I caught part of the interview on Piers last night and all I could do is smh. Yeah she’s really good at acting like she’s sincere and genuine with her statements, but I remember how she went on several talk shows saying how Joe abused them both physically and sexually and that she knew about Michael’s inappropriate conduct with boys and she seemed oh so sincere and genuine about those claims too, like she really was being honest and truthful. Now she’s saying how great Joe is but refuses to directly answer whether or not she stands by her claims she made about Joe back then and says she was “forced” by her dead ex-husband to say those things. She says she knows who the people are who conspired to have Michael murdered but wont name them, only tells people to buy her book and “read between the lines” Really cant trust anything that comes out of her mouth.

I agree. And personally I still don't trust her.

She did say a lot of stuff that made me go or . She was like "If only I had done more, Michael would still be alive. I wouldn't have allowed this to happen." Noble sentiment, but SERIOUSLY? Michael was a very private person. JANET loved/loves her brother more than any of them, and she could barely come near him. I don't think ANY of his family knew of his taking Propofol, or that he even needed it to fall asleep (which btw, I think he needed to address the reasons WHY he wasn't falling asleep than go to a quick and very dangerous fix). I agree Michael was "clean" from any of the harder drugs that he used to do, but he obviously had some issues if he was taking a drug that's not supposed to be used except in a hospital setting. That was an error in judgement on his part.

Piers confronted LaToya on the denouncing of her brother, and said "there's only so much you can blame on someone else". She agreed and I figured that was genuine. But the whole "He was gonna kill Michael"...I didn't believe that. Not for one second. I realized LaToya was a battered woman, but even some things you just can't believe no matter what. Riiiiiiight, he was going to get close enough to Michael to have him whacked. Either she's delusional, or the ex is. Or both.

Her allegations about who conspired to kill her brother, while I do believe he was murdered, I think she was talking out of her ass there. She has no proof, and had no reason to say these things unless she could prove it. I never heard of Michael calling LaToya in a frantic phonecall whispering "help me, they're gonna kill me". Please, if this was true, she should've gone straight to the cops or take action. If he was my brother, I'd've done so. His safety is the most important, above public speculation.

And Michael wasn't so understanding of her betrayal if I remember correctly. I think he didn't speak to her for 10 years nad in the early 2000's he finally forgave her. In any case, I felt when she spoke about loving her brother, she was genuine. And her struggle to finally leave her ex was truly inspirational. hence my newfound respect.

Yeah she's delusional, and so is Jack for ever thinking he could make her a big superstar

EXACTLY! I totally agree

1sotrue, did Latoya actually recant the statements she made? Because all I've ever heard her say was Jack forced her to say those things and when asked directly about her past statements in interviews, she evades answering.

Could anyone possibly be more adorable, more talented, more anything...?

^ Looking like a mini-Jimi Hendrix.

Timmy84 said:

^ Looking like a mini-Jimi Hendrix.

No, Mike's much cuter.

Another unbelievable video. I've been watching it over and over again for the past hour.

[Edited 6/22/11 13:08pm]

^ I just meant with the head band.

• JUNE 22, 2011, 11:25 A.M. ET

Former Michael Jackson Associate Admits To Tax Charges

DOW JONES NEWSWIRES 
 

Raymone Bain, a public-relations specialist and former general manager of the late pop star Michael Jackson, pleaded guilty to charges she failed to file federal and District of Columbia income-tax returns.

Bain pleaded guilty to two counts of failure to file federal income-tax returns and Washington income-tax returns in federal court in Washington, D.C. The federal violation carries a maximum penalty of 12 months in prison and a $100,000 fine while the Washington violation carries a maximum of six months in prison and a $5,000 fine.

She is scheduled to be sentenced in August, according to the Department of Justice.

According to evidence presented in court, Bain worked in the sports and entertainment industry and founded the public relations firm Davis, Bain & Associates. Beginning in 2006, she became personal general manager for Jackson and president of Michael Jackson Co. Jackson died in June 2009.

Despite earning "substantial income," according to the Justice Department, Bain knowingly failed to file her income-tax returns and failed to pay income taxes owed during 2006 through 2008. The plea documents show the tax loss was between $200,000 and $400,000.

Bain's other clients have included Sammy Davis Jr.'s estate, tennis star Serena Williams, Viacom Inc.'s (VIA) Paramount Pictures, Sony Corp.'s (SNE, 6758.TO) Arista Records, the Congressional Black Caucus and the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, according to her personal website.

http://online.wsj.com/art...08894.html

Former general manager for late pop star Michael Jackson pleads guilty in tax case

Press, Updated: Wednesday, June 22, 2:40 PM

http://www.washingtonpost...story.html

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NaughtyKitty said:

• JUNE 22, 2011, 11:25 A.M. ET

Former Michael Jackson Associate Admits To Tax Charges

DOW JONES NEWSWIRES 
 

Raymone Bain, a public-relations specialist and former general manager of the late pop star Michael Jackson, pleaded guilty to charges she failed to file federal and District of Columbia income-tax returns.

Bain pleaded guilty to two counts of failure to file federal income-tax returns and Washington income-tax returns in federal court in Washington, D.C. The federal violation carries a maximum penalty of 12 months in prison and a $100,000 fine while the Washington violation carries a maximum of six months in prison and a $5,000 fine.

She is scheduled to be sentenced in August, according to the Department of Justice.

According to evidence presented in court, Bain worked in the sports and entertainment industry and founded the public relations firm Davis, Bain & Associates. Beginning in 2006, she became personal general manager for Jackson and president of Michael Jackson Co. Jackson died in June 2009.

Despite earning "substantial income," according to the Justice Department, Bain knowingly failed to file her income-tax returns and failed to pay income taxes owed during 2006 through 2008. The plea documents show the tax loss was between $200,000 and $400,000.

Bain's other clients have included Sammy Davis Jr.'s estate, tennis star Serena Williams, Viacom Inc.'s (VIA) Paramount Pictures, Sony Corp.'s (SNE, 6758.TO) Arista Records, the Congressional Black Caucus and the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, according to her personal website.

http://online.wsj.com/art...08894.html

Former general manager for late pop star Michael Jackson pleads guilty in tax case

Press, Updated: Wednesday, June 22, 2:40 PM

WASHINGTON — A former general manager for Michael Jackson pleaded guilty Wednesday for failing to file tax returns during the time she worked for the late pop star.

The Justice Department said Raymone Bain failed to pay income taxes owed from 2006 through 2008. During that period, she was responsible for daily operations of the Michael Jackson Co., including financial, public relations and marketing tasks. Court documents put the tax loss between $200,000 and $400,000. Under a plea agreement with the government, Bain agreed to pay the back taxes she owes and must file accurate returns covering five years starting in 2004 before her sentencing Aug. 31.

She pleaded guilty to two counts in federal court Wednesday. She could face up to a year in prison and a $100,000 fine for failing to file a federal tax return in 2008, and up to six months in prison and a $5,000 fine for failure to file a District of Columbia tax return in 2008.

http://www.washingtonpost...story.html

[Edited 6/22/11 13:17pm]

This doesn't surprise me.. I feel she was bilking Michael..

Every dog has there day!!!

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This is nothing against white people and I know it's just dominant forces and white privlege. I already know Rolling Stone hasn't exactly given Michael the best treatment, but I saw a book with the top 100 artists of all time in Rolling Stone today. Michael got a positive review written by LA Reid, but he was in the top 40, somewhere in the 30's, he should have been in the top 5. The Beatles were at #1 and though I LOVE them, it was really unfair. Beatles and Elvis were at the top of the book cover too, Michael at the bottom, along with Little Richard and two other (white) artists, I couldn't help but notice that. And in a 90's book about Rolling Stone covers and pop culture, Madonna and Prince were there but not Michael. I already know Michael was aware of this treatment and approached them about it, but he got good treatment in the beginning of Dangerous era with a very good review. It upsets me when I'm reminded of things like this and every time I want to tell people it's not about race, it's about gender and controversy too, at the end of the day, I believe it is race primarily.

^^^I have that book I thought he was higher than that?

^^ Race is always going to be a difficult issue when it comes to Michael and how he was treated. Whilst I have no doubt that on both sides of the racial divide there was animosity against Michael, I'm not sure you can argue that Rolling Stone was being racist in their approach.

Michael's career was one where he was loved and adored by critics and then vilified by them. You saw the support and rise during the OTW and Thriller era, then as the "persona" took over from the music many critics couldn't get past it. Rightly or wrongly, Michael's public image hurt the respect critics had for him - where it was easier to make fun of him than take him seriously on a musical level.

I think you also have to keep in mind that editors, writers, etc come and go, and their view of Michael will be different depending on what they were into and when MJ hit for them. I find generally critics who were around for OTW, Thriller were generally more kind in later year reviews, where as those coming up through Dangerous and HiStory had their view of his music tainted by tabloid tales and what was seen as the rebirthing of rock with Grunge. For many, Michael was an old act, and could never compete with what was happening "now".

RS I thought did a brilliant retrospective when Michael past, and reframed his career through the music, the way it always should have been.

Well of course they didn't sit there categorizing who they will rank according to skin colour. But the top 3 big sellers are the Beatles, MJ and Elvis in whatever order and by now, this should really be of second nature. Even if they weren't fans after certain eras, all they have to do is appreciate him cause the younger artists were all copying him and will continue to do it, and they all cite him as an influence, even if he was inspired by others or even if there are other great song-and-dance male musicians. They can at least acknowledge his musical and cultural impact. I feel very sad all the time what the public image led to and almost resentful ages ago, but I am hoping it gets better with time. He will not be forgotten at all, but I do get paranoid at times. And the same people who thought he was an "old act" by the 90's had no problems with "old acts" like Madonna and Prince who are the same age, even if they started after he did, and they had no problem with other older acts. I'm referring to the 90's, not the 80's where you could be any age to get a hit. It still worked in the 90's.

I bought the Rolling Stone issue too, that picture was so hard to look at though it captured everything about him perfectly through that expression. Not only his beauty, but his trauma and flaws, I can barely look at it for too long without tearing up. I thought I would be so depressed this week cause of the anniversary and I'm sure you've read my posts about being down, but surprisingly, I am doing okay. I'm actually going to see Jermaine Jackson perform a tribute song to him this weekend with another musician, and though it's going to be sad and bittersweet, I do feel excited in a way, like I'm celebrating him and living my life too, imperfect, but a work in progress.

dag said:

Timmy84 said:

^ Looking like a mini-Jimi Hendrix.

No, Mike's much cuter.

Another unbelievable video. I've been watching it over and over again for the past hour.

[Edited 6/22/11 13:08pm]

Moon walks.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

dag said:

No, Mike's much cuter.

Another unbelievable video. I've been watching it over and over again for the past hour.

[Edited 6/22/11 13:08pm]

Moon walks.

Wow - I've not seen that before. Surely though this must exist in colour, as this is from American Bandstand

NaughtyKitty said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Yeah she's delusional, and so is Jack for ever thinking he could make her a big superstar

Please, if this was true, she should've gone straight to the cops or take action. If he was my brother, I'd've done so. His safety is the most important, above public speculation.

EXACTLY! I totally agree

1sotrue, did Latoya actually recant the statements she made? Because all I've ever heard her say was Jack forced her to say those things and when asked directly about her past statements in interviews, she evades answering.

I dont have any proof that she publicly recanted her statements she made against her family and of Michael. That's just specualtion on my part but Im sure there's some interview tv or print that exists that states she's sorry for what she put her family through.

NaughtyKitty said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Y'know I watched LaToya on Piers last night...and let me say, I have a whole new respect for the woman. Granted, she said somethings that didn't make sense...

But she's a lot stronger than I gave her credit for. I knew her ex was abusive, but I didn't know it was really that bad. Or that her parents even consented to her marrying that guy. And that he threatened to kill her brother (somehow, I'm iffy on that myself.). I think at some points she sounded really genuine, at other times, she seemed talking out of her ass.

What sounded genuine is the love she has for Mike. And I respect that a lot.

What did you guys think exactly of what she said? Any difference of opinions?

[Edited 6/22/11 8:23am]

See, the thing about Latoya is that she tells so many lies, it makes it really hard to know when she is actually telling the truth or not. Sometimes she does tell the truth, but honestly, I think she tells more lies than truth. I caught part of the interview on Piers last night and all I could do is smh. Yeah she’s really good at acting like she’s sincere and genuine with her statements, but I remember how she went on several talk shows saying how Joe abused them both physically and sexually and that she knew about Michael’s inappropriate conduct with boys and she seemed oh so sincere and genuine about those claims too, like she really was being honest and truthful. Now she’s saying how great Joe is but refuses to directly answer whether or not she stands by her claims she made about Joe back then and says she was “forced” by her dead ex-husband to say those things. She says she knows who the people are who conspired to have Michael murdered but wont name them, only tells people to buy her book and “read between the lines” Really cant trust anything that comes out of her mouth.

You are so right. LaToya manipulates the truth. She says what she thinks the media wants to hear. She will flip-flop in a minute. If this album and book doesn't sell, she will slowly begin to throw in jabs about Michael because she knows that's what people want to hear. From the excerpts that I've read and what she has said in interviews, I can see her manipulation slowly starting to take shape. Btw, I never for a moment believed that Jack Gordon forced her to say what she said about Michael and Joe. She relished in that attention and I will never forget or forgive her for what she said about Michael and how she almost sent him to jail with her lies.

During the allegations, she said something about taking back her statements with threats to kill michael AND janet if she didn't do the press conference. It was either 20-20 or a show in Europe, but I remember her wearing a brown halter outfit. I have it on tape somewhere. You guys are too paranoid in thinking she'll turn her back on him, even if she is flaky at times or what she says needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I don't think she's a bad person. And when there is emotional abuse, people will put on the biggest act to keep from getting killed, I've seen it happen too many times.

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

Free2BMe said:

Eloquent tribute. I agree with every single word. Beautiful.

Thanks. In a way, since June 25th of that year, the world seems a much emptier place.

I feel your pain. The world IS a much emptier place without Michael's presence. Everything he did or said was anticipated and exciting. There will never be anyone else who could make the world feel as Michael did. NO ONE will ever replace him.

NaughtyKitty said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Yeah she's delusional, and so is Jack for ever thinking he could make her a big superstar

Please, if this was true, she should've gone straight to the cops or take action. If he was my brother, I'd've done so. His safety is the most important, above public speculation.

EXACTLY! I totally agree

1sotrue, did Latoya actually recant the statements she made? Because all I've ever heard her say was Jack forced her to say those things and when asked directly about her past statements in interviews, she evades answering.

She has never recated or taken blame for what she said. That is the very reason why I will never support or respect her in any way. She uses this weak ass excuse that Jack Gordon forced her to say what she did. BullShit! LaToya said what she did to get attention AND money and that's the bottom line.

Swa said:

^^ Race is always going to be a difficult issue when it comes to Michael and how he was treated. Whilst I have no doubt that on both sides of the racial divide there was animosity against Michael, I'm not sure you can argue that Rolling Stone was being racist in their approach.

Michael's career was one where he was loved and adored by critics and then vilified by them. You saw the support and rise during the OTW and Thriller era, then as the "persona" took over from the music many critics couldn't get past it. Rightly or wrongly, Michael's public image hurt the respect critics had for him - where it was easier to make fun of him than take him seriously on a musical level.

I think you also have to keep in mind that editors, writers, etc come and go, and their view of Michael will be different depending on what they were into and when MJ hit for them. I find generally critics who were around for OTW, Thriller were generally more kind in later year reviews, where as those coming up through Dangerous and HiStory had their view of his music tainted by tabloid tales and what was seen as the rebirthing of rock with Grunge. For many, Michael was an old act, and could never compete with what was happening "now".

RS I thought did a brilliant retrospective when Michael past, and reframed his career through the music, the way it always should have been.

To me, that doesn´t excuse them. They were supposed to review his work, not his personal life and if someone working in the media knowing how they work can get influenced by tabloids, than they´re idiots.

from Max Jax:

===I'm sorry if this is in violation of any rules. If it is, feel free to delete this entire thread and punish my account accordingly===

I want to introduce something for all MJ fans for the 25th: The Michael Jackson Leaking initiative.

I implore all traders/keepers of rare Michael Jackson material to leak one and one only rare song from their collection for all of us on a day where we will grieve our king. The idea is for all fans to celebrate Michael's memory rather than mourning, and there is no better way to celebrate than to have some new music.

NOTE: The songs written underneath are only suggestions for the initiative, songs I know that a LOT of fans want to hear.

The goals set forth for this initiative is for "recent" tracks i.e. Invincible onwards to leak in an effort to create a fan-made album for all of us to love with all of our hearts:

[img:$uid]http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/4954/tothefans.png[/img:$uid]

These recent tracks are ones I know the fans want to hear:

* Hollywood (Tonight) (Demo)
* I Am a Loser/I Was the Loser
* People of the World
* Days in Gloucestershire
* Can't Get Your Weight Off Me
* Monster (Invincible session song) (Not known if this has been in the possession of fans)

Other songs a lot of fans want to hear, but are not necessarily recent are the following:

* Men in Black
* Chicago 1945 ('87 version and '01 version)
* Al Capone
* On My Anger
* You Are a Liar
* Bassouille (not known if this has ever reached the hands of fans, or even recorded)
* The Nightmare of Edgar Allan Poe (not known if this has ever reached the hands of fans, or even recorded)

A lot of fans also want a lot of 2009 material, especially those worked on by Neff-U.

I can understand that some rare collectors may not want to release these tracks because of the high demand for it, so if that is the situation, I only ask that a rare track, regardless of year/era, be considered for universal leakage. The above songs are ones that I would imagine most, if not all fans want to hear.

I noticed last year that the 25th was not a day of celebration of Michael Jackson's life, but rather mourning his passing. MJ cared so much about us that I believe at least that he would want us to treasure our memories of him and to have us listen to the music he is no longer able to release. To those who see this, please make any traders of rare material aware of this initiative, in the hopes that this week can be one of celebration and not sadness.


Thanks for reading and bless you all,

- Jesta

bboy87 said:

from Max Jax:

===I'm sorry if this is in violation of any rules. If it is, feel free to delete this entire thread and punish my account accordingly===

I want to introduce something for all MJ fans for the 25th: The Michael Jackson Leaking initiative.

I implore all traders/keepers of rare Michael Jackson material to leak one and one only rare song from their collection for all of us on a day where we will grieve our king. The idea is for all fans to celebrate Michael's memory rather than mourning, and there is no better way to celebrate than to have some new music.

NOTE: The songs written underneath are only suggestions for the initiative, songs I know that a LOT of fans want to hear.

The goals set forth for this initiative is for "recent" tracks i.e. Invincible onwards to leak in an effort to create a fan-made album for all of us to love with all of our hearts:

[img:$uid]http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/4954/tothefans.png[/img:$uid]

These recent tracks are ones I know the fans want to hear:

* Hollywood (Tonight) (Demo)
* I Am a Loser/I Was the Loser
* People of the World
* Days in Gloucestershire
* Can't Get Your Weight Off Me
* Monster (Invincible session song) (Not known if this has been in the possession of fans)

Other songs a lot of fans want to hear, but are not necessarily recent are the following:

* Men in Black
* Chicago 1945 ('87 version and '01 version)
* Al Capone
* On My Anger
* You Are a Liar
* Bassouille (not known if this has ever reached the hands of fans, or even recorded)
* The Nightmare of Edgar Allan Poe (not known if this has ever reached the hands of fans, or even recorded)

A lot of fans also want a lot of 2009 material, especially those worked on by Neff-U.

I can understand that some rare collectors may not want to release these tracks because of the high demand for it, so if that is the situation, I only ask that a rare track, regardless of year/era, be considered for universal leakage. The above songs are ones that I would imagine most, if not all fans want to hear.

I noticed last year that the 25th was not a day of celebration of Michael Jackson's life, but rather mourning his passing. MJ cared so much about us that I believe at least that he would want us to treasure our memories of him and to have us listen to the music he is no longer able to release. To those who see this, please make any traders of rare material aware of this initiative, in the hopes that this week can be one of celebration and not sadness.


Thanks for reading and bless you all,

- Jesta

When shall we begin to see these songs?

dag said:

Swa said:

^^ Race is always going to be a difficult issue when it comes to Michael and how he was treated. Whilst I have no doubt that on both sides of the racial divide there was animosity against Michael, I'm not sure you can argue that Rolling Stone was being racist in their approach.

Michael's career was one where he was loved and adored by critics and then vilified by them. You saw the support and rise during the OTW and Thriller era, then as the "persona" took over from the music many critics couldn't get past it. Rightly or wrongly, Michael's public image hurt the respect critics had for him - where it was easier to make fun of him than take him seriously on a musical level.

I think you also have to keep in mind that editors, writers, etc come and go, and their view of Michael will be different depending on what they were into and when MJ hit for them. I find generally critics who were around for OTW, Thriller were generally more kind in later year reviews, where as those coming up through Dangerous and HiStory had their view of his music tainted by tabloid tales and what was seen as the rebirthing of rock with Grunge. For many, Michael was an old act, and could never compete with what was happening "now".

RS I thought did a brilliant retrospective when Michael past, and reframed his career through the music, the way it always should have been.

To me, that doesn´t excuse them. They were supposed to review his work, not his personal life and if someone working in the media knowing how they work can get influenced by tabloids, than they´re idiots.

others have done worse and get praised up and down and I do believe privlege plays a huge factor

Free2BMe said:

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

Thanks. In a way, since June 25th of that year, the world seems a much emptier place.

I feel your pain. The world IS a much emptier place without Michael's presence. Everything he did or said was anticipated and exciting. There will never be anyone else who could make the world feel as Michael did. NO ONE will ever replace him.

I will not be able to fill that void and now feel him being gone, but I'm trying so hard to stay happy. And I also find I have a habit of trying to fill a void.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

bboy87 said:

from Max Jax:

When shall we begin to see these songs?

If the fans who have the songs decide to participate and share them