dag said:

Swa said:

He's sexy as hell in plain, regular clothes. Love it. And the dude's moves look weird next to Mike's.

Agreed.

For all my MJ fan girls....I made this today. Enjoy!

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GettOffMyLand said:

Whats with the backlash on MJ's dancing?

I think his dancing has changed literally with every release. The dancing style fits the song he is performing. So take Blame it on the Boogie style, doesn't exactly work with later material. I think he is an incredibly adaptive dancer and can change into any style.

The crotch grabbing, the moonwalk etc are just iconic moves that have been performed in iconic performances and video's. They are done on every song since Thriller. They are just iconic moments.

The style changed everytime from Smooth Criminal, Dangerous, In the Closet, Ghost's. Yes he has trademark moves, but I still see a development process all the way through.

Look at This Is It, he was still changing the way he danced or interpreted songs.

I agree with this. Michael's dancing in This Is It was as strong as I have ever seen it. His moves were stronger, sexier and he was changing the way that he had danced in past. Michael's moves had a fresher approach to them. I know that we would have been blown away by his dancing and singing in the TII concerts. Damn that murdering bastard,Conrad Murray.

GettOffMyLand said:

Whats with the backlash on MJ's dancing?

I think his dancing has changed literally with every release. The dancing style fits the song he is performing. So take Blame it on the Boogie style, doesn't exactly work with later material. I think he is an incredibly adaptive dancer and can change into any style.

The crotch grabbing, the moonwalk etc are just iconic moves that have been performed in iconic performances and video's. They are done on every song since Thriller. They are just iconic moments.

The style changed everytime from Smooth Criminal, Dangerous, In the Closet, Ghost's. Yes he has trademark moves, but I still see a development process all the way through.

Look at This Is It, he was still changing the way he danced or interpreted songs.

I forgot to say that I agree with EVERYTHING in your post.

Uh y'all DO know it was one person saying she was tired of it?

Everybody and their mama knows those moves are iconic. No backlash here.

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Timmy84 said:

Uh y'all DO know it was one person saying she was tired of it?

Everybody and their mama knows those moves are iconic. No backlash here.

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There was another poster who claimed that the moves were corny and tacky.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

For all my MJ fan girls....I made this today. Enjoy!

mjforever said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

For all my MJ fan girls....I made this today. Enjoy!

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

For all my MJ fan girls....I made this today. Enjoy!

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Very nice.

Timmy84 said:

Uh y'all DO know it was one person saying she was tired of it?

Everybody and their mama knows those moves are iconic. No backlash here.

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I was just worried my years of leg kicking and crotch grabbing meant nothing

Michael virtually made his own dance vocab and was still developing until the end. That is beyond an achievement. Your own dance? That is unbelievable. End.

Japha11 said:

Michael virtually made his own dance vocab and was still developing until the end. That is beyond an achievement. Your own dance? That is unbelievable. End.

Not to mention the generation of pop stars he inspired with his pop and lock dance moves... I'm talking to you, Usher, Justin Timberlake, Justin Beiber, Janet, Britney and all boy bands.

So Grohl isn't on the song?

got this from Max Jax. It's from this month's issue of Q Magazine

FOO ARE YOU?
Michael Jackson's posthumous Michael album credits Dave Grohl as the drummer on (I Can't Make It) Another Day. Slight problem - the Foo Fighters man says it isn't him.

"I'm not on that song, dude," Grohl tells Q. "Lenny Kravitz called me, he said, I got a project - you wanna play drums on a Michael Jackson project? F*** yeah! He sends me a hard drive, we get the track and spend an afternoon putting massive f****** drums on it. We sent it back to Lenny and two months go by and I don't hear anything. Then I open up a magazine and it says, Michael Jackson record coming out next week and that song is on there. I'm like, Hold on a second, I haven't even f****** heard it yet! So I texted him, Dude, what's going on? I never f****** heard from him again. Then, when I heard the track it says: Featuring Dave Grohl on drums - my drums aren't even on there. I think they sampled, like, my snare and that's it.

bboy87 said:

So Grohl isn't on the song?

got this from Max Jax. It's from this month's issue of Q Magazine

FOO ARE YOU?
Michael Jackson's posthumous Michael album credits Dave Grohl as the drummer on (I Can't Make It) Another Day. Slight problem - the Foo Fighters man says it isn't him.

"I'm not on that song, dude," Grohl tells Q. "Lenny Kravitz called me, he said, I got a project - you wanna play drums on a Michael Jackson project? F*** yeah! He sends me a hard drive, we get the track and spend an afternoon putting massive f****** drums on it. We sent it back to Lenny and two months go by and I don't hear anything. Then I open up a magazine and it says, Michael Jackson record coming out next week and that song is on there. I'm like, Hold on a second, I haven't even f****** heard it yet! So I texted him, Dude, what's going on? I never f****** heard from him again. Then, when I heard the track it says: Featuring Dave Grohl on drums - my drums aren't even on there. I think they sampled, like, my snare and that's it.

Aw that's FUCKED UP! But you know what? I knew something was fishy because the drums I heard wasn't even typical Dave Grohl drumming.

bboy87 said:

So Grohl isn't on the song?

got this from Max Jax. It's from this month's issue of Q Magazine

FOO ARE YOU?
Michael Jackson's posthumous Michael album credits Dave Grohl as the drummer on (I Can't Make It) Another Day. Slight problem - the Foo Fighters man says it isn't him.

"I'm not on that song, dude," Grohl tells Q. "Lenny Kravitz called me, he said, I got a project - you wanna play drums on a Michael Jackson project? F*** yeah! He sends me a hard drive, we get the track and spend an afternoon putting massive f****** drums on it. We sent it back to Lenny and two months go by and I don't hear anything. Then I open up a magazine and it says, Michael Jackson record coming out next week and that song is on there. I'm like, Hold on a second, I haven't even f****** heard it yet! So I texted him, Dude, what's going on? I never f****** heard from him again. Then, when I heard the track it says: Featuring Dave Grohl on drums - my drums aren't even on there. I think they sampled, like, my snare and that's it.

I was sceptical of it - it sounded more like drum machines that Dave - it lacked a bit of Dave's urgency when he plays and random accents and fills.

Would love to hear Dave's mix of it.

bboy87 said:

So Grohl isn't on the song?

got this from Max Jax. It's from this month's issue of Q Magazine

FOO ARE YOU?
Michael Jackson's posthumous Michael album credits Dave Grohl as the drummer on (I Can't Make It) Another Day. Slight problem - the Foo Fighters man says it isn't him.

"I'm not on that song, dude," Grohl tells Q. "Lenny Kravitz called me, he said, I got a project - you wanna play drums on a Michael Jackson project? F*** yeah! He sends me a hard drive, we get the track and spend an afternoon putting massive f****** drums on it. We sent it back to Lenny and two months go by and I don't hear anything. Then I open up a magazine and it says, Michael Jackson record coming out next week and that song is on there. I'm like, Hold on a second, I haven't even f****** heard it yet! So I texted him, Dude, what's going on? I never f****** heard from him again. Then, when I heard the track it says: Featuring Dave Grohl on drums - my drums aren't even on there. I think they sampled, like, my snare and that's it.

You know what, that whole project turned out shady. And the version of Another Day on the album sucks. The mix that was first leaked sounded MUCH better.

The "Today" show talking about MJ and Barry Gibbs recording in the studio:

http://today.msnbc.msn.co...9#43370449

NaughtyKitty said:

The "Today" show talking about MJ and Barry Gibbs recording in the studio:

http://today.msnbc.msn.co...9#43370449

I really hate those "insightful" comments such as those mady by the editor.

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GettOffMyLand said:

Timmy84 said:

Uh y'all DO know it was one person saying she was tired of it?

Everybody and their mama knows those moves are iconic. No backlash here.

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I was just worried my years of leg kicking and crotch grabbing meant nothing

yeah same, though those were not the focus of my mj-inspired dances

Yesterday I was watching a movie about the Doors with Val Kilmer on TV. I am not sure how accurate it is, well, if it's as accurate as the VH1 film about MJ, then please ignore this post. But obviously he and many other rockers were just perverted, self obsessed drug addicts, but since they are rock stars, nobody says a thing. How is it that whenever MJ's name is mentioned, it comes usually with words as "controversial", "weird" etc. singer, while the others are just super cool?

Cause even though his intentions were always good, from the get go, MJ always had a squeaky clean image and was a child star. And I'm sure race plays a part too, cause he was considered as token acceptance until "something" was there to bring him down, be it addiction to painkillers or plastic surgery or allegations. Janet is another good example, though respected, not treated the same since Superbowl and now everyone kisses Beyonce and Rihannas ass, the accepted minority girls in the mainstream right now, and once something really bad happens with one, someone else will be the next hot black girl

GettOffMyLand said:

Not sure I agree completely. I think most stars at the top of their game get a backlash from the media at some point. Now Michael got that tenfold. I am not saying there were not alot of reasons for that, but having said that Michael handed it to them on a plate over and over again. I am to young to know for sure but I would say someone like Jim Morrison got alot of negative press at the time (not to Michaels extent) but Jim Morrison has the advantage of being dead for 40 years and what he did back then is just considered normal rock star behaviour now. Look at the way alot of the media talk about Michael since he died, give it forty years and I can't imagine what they will be saying.

You probably do have a point. Media have gotten a little better with Mike, but still you hear that "controversial" BS. I didn't live at the time Jim Morrison was popular, so I don't know how much bad press he got, but I don't remember anyone calling him, Ozzy, or even for example Mozart controversial. Anyway, Ozzy for example is still alive and I don't hear people calling him wacko etc. Still it's freaking not fair. Imagine if a teacher acted this way. You'd be fired right away for setting bad example for kids and would never be able to get such job again. And who are the greater role models for children? Why doesn't anyone forbid them their job or something? Anyway, I know this sounds like me moralizing and that's the last think I want, but watchin it yesterday, it made me think about how he is viewed as a hero today. People may say, yeah, but he left something valuable behind. But you cannot measure for example teacher's work like that. Or take for example Madonna, she's done worse things than MIke publically and never got it so hard from the press and the public as him. Sorry for this phylosophical talk, guys, I am a teacher and an MJ fan, so that's how all this came into my mind yesterday....

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^ Talk to us anytime dag I was once working at a group home a few years back and a middle aged coworker was joking about mj's surgery with a kid and I was in the next room but could hear it all and was just turning red and shaking my head. Like teaching someone it's okay to tease somebody different from you.

GettOffMyLand said:

Dag - Sorry im having trouble respinding with quotes, my laptop slows to a stand still. I think it's an interesting subject. re Dave Grohl, just another example of what a joke that whole project was.

Exactly.

One more last thing. Remember this speech?

Back then a lot of people thought he lost his mind and was paranoid, but I find it interesting that in Project and Headway, which are two most popular textbooks for teaching English as a foreign language, you can find articles on history of pop music and you'll see Elvis mentioned there, the Beatles, Spice Girls and even Manic Street Preachers, but you won't find one mention of the King of Pop. Anyway, I can tell you that you wouldn't find one pupil of mine who'd know who Manic Street Preachers are.

I have always seen MJ in textbooks, even if not in the way I wanted them to write about it.

alphastreet said:

I have always seen MJ in textbooks, even if not in the way I wanted them to write about it.

Then I probably have the wrong textbooks. Or maybe it is better not to have anything written than some stupid article.

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He was in my music theory classes textbooks and the articles were positive with a picture of him from the bad tour. It was about him skyrocketing to fame in the 80's and mentioned the 90's briefly.