armpit said:

Unholyalliance said:

Oh my fucking god THANK YOU!

I've been trying to tell these people this. I don't know why people think this kinda shit is only exclusive to MJ fans. It's NOT. Not in the least. Especially on an artist specific fanforum.

It's just as unbearable on the Prince and More forums here as well. In general, though, I like to stick to general music forums or non-(insert artist) subforums. There's a lot more room for way more discussions about other artists I like to listen to.

Though some people want to stick to their favorite artist too. That's ok with me.

No one was saying that only MJ fans defend their favorite artist. I certainly didn't. But let's not bullshit around about this - any one who has ever spent ANY real amount of time online in the MJ fan community, knows that they take that shit to another level - it's an entirely different beast. You know this, I know this.

There's a reason why the MJ fan community is the laughingstock of all fan communities, and the one that people are warned away from on a regular basis. And contrary to what a lot of obsessive fans want to think, it isn't solely because MJ's public image was so bad in the last years of his life.

It's because most MJ fans are fucking psychotic.

I take it you don't read the Prince:Music and More forum, lol.

I think if you're going to make statements about a fan base then don't make generalist views stating *most* MJ fans are this or that... surely your time on here has introduced you to many a fan that doesn't fit that description.

Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' jacket up for auction

By SANDY COHEN - AP Entertainment Writer | AP – 26 minutes ago

http://beta.news.yahoo.co...00860.html

His wig? Cant believe they're actually going to auction that off And the battered mailbox? Was it battered by the ambuluance backing out of the driveway?

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bboy87 said:

OMG LOVE THIS! Thanks for posting!

armpit said:

No one was saying that only MJ fans defend their favorite artist. I certainly didn't. But let's not bullshit around about this - any one who has ever spent ANY real amount of time online in the MJ fan community, knows that they take that shit to another level - it's an entirely different beast. You know this, I know this.

There's a reason why the MJ fan community is the laughingstock of all fan communities, and the one that people are warned away from on a regular basis. And contrary to what a lot of obsessive fans want to think, it isn't solely because MJ's public image was so bad in the last years of his life.

It's because most MJ fans are fucking psychotic.

You are talking out of your ass right now. One look inside the Prince and More forums already prove you wrong.

Swa said:

armpit said:

No one was saying that only MJ fans defend their favorite artist. I certainly didn't. But let's not bullshit around about this - any one who has ever spent ANY real amount of time online in the MJ fan community, knows that they take that shit to another level - it's an entirely different beast. You know this, I know this.

There's a reason why the MJ fan community is the laughingstock of all fan communities, and the one that people are warned away from on a regular basis. And contrary to what a lot of obsessive fans want to think, it isn't solely because MJ's public image was so bad in the last years of his life.

It's because most MJ fans are fucking psychotic.

I take it you don't read the Prince:Music and More forum, lol.

I think if you're going to make statements about a fan base then don't make generalist views stating *most* MJ fans are this or that... surely your time on here has introduced you to many a fan that doesn't fit that description.

You know?!

Damn, who is putting up these items to be auctioned off. This stuff should be going to MJ's kids.

The King of Dance

Does anyone know where the footage beginning at around 2:17 is from?

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mjforever said:

This is the first time I've watched this footage. I couldn't watch it up till now because I had a chance to be there and I didn't go because I didn't have money back then. My friends who went there saw him up real close as he was walking to the audience. It was my last chance to see Mike alive. I'll regret that I didn't go for the rest of my life.

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dag said:

This is the first time I've watched this footage. I couldn't watch it up till now because I had a chance to be there and I didn't go because I didn't have money back then. My friends who went there saw him up real close as he was walking to the audience. It was my last chance to see Mike alive. I'll regret that I didn't go for the rest of my life.

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least 1 year after end of the process, 2005....There he looks much more powerful and self-confident than 2009 in the press conference in London. I am glad that he gets there again recognition and he feels that the fans have not turned to him the back.

armpit said:

Unholyalliance said:

Oh my fucking god THANK YOU!

I've been trying to tell these people this. I don't know why people think this kinda shit is only exclusive to MJ fans. It's NOT. Not in the least. Especially on an artist specific fanforum.

It's just as unbearable on the Prince and More forums here as well. In general, though, I like to stick to general music forums or non-(insert artist) subforums. There's a lot more room for way more discussions about other artists I like to listen to.

Though some people want to stick to their favorite artist too. That's ok with me.

No one was saying that only MJ fans defend their favorite artist. I certainly didn't. But let's not bullshit around about this - any one who has ever spent ANY real amount of time online in the MJ fan community, knows that they take that shit to another level - it's an entirely different beast. You know this, I know this.

There's a reason why the MJ fan community is the laughingstock of all fan communities, and the one that people are warned away from on a regular basis. And contrary to what a lot of obsessive fans want to think, it isn't solely because MJ's public image was so bad in the last years of his life.

It's because most MJ fans are fucking psychotic.

HA! I'll bite and take you up on that.

I put Prince down as much as the next Prince fan when i see fit.

No doubt, he is great at times but his life and priveleged lifestyle is a gift.

I never saw Mike deriding his fans in song. Ever. He was above that, That aint beneath Prince though. I find it kind of funny to be honest. I mean i 'know' the man and his idiosyncrasies, but casual fans (like my Mrs) hear stories like the recent Matt Damon thing and they lose interest quickly.

Prince has such a high opinion of himself and is so much up his own ass it's just crazy. Lest you forget, Prince has a terrible public image too. He's irrelevant outside the fanbase and it doesn't really get much worse than being formerly great and forgotten.

What was he? the biggest Rock Star in the world for one solitary year? a long time ago too.

Prince has no right to be so pretentious.

And NOW it seems he's regularly acknowledging Michael? The biggest star the world has ever seen.

Fuck off Prince... and release some decent new music. If you can.

'Still Waiting'.

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Marrk said:

armpit said:

No one was saying that only MJ fans defend their favorite artist. I certainly didn't. But let's not bullshit around about this - any one who has ever spent ANY real amount of time online in the MJ fan community, knows that they take that shit to another level - it's an entirely different beast. You know this, I know this.

There's a reason why the MJ fan community is the laughingstock of all fan communities, and the one that people are warned away from on a regular basis. And contrary to what a lot of obsessive fans want to think, it isn't solely because MJ's public image was so bad in the last years of his life.

It's because most MJ fans are fucking psychotic.

HA! I'll bite and take you up on that.

I put Prince down as much as the next Prince fan when i see fit.

No doubt, he is great at times but his life and priveleged lifestyle is a gift.

I never saw Mike deriding his fans in song. Ever. He was above that, That aint beneath Prince though. I find it kind of funny to be honest. I mean i 'know' the man and his idiosyncrasies, but casual fans (like my Mrs) hear stories like the recent Matt Damon thing and they lose interest quickly.

Prince has such a high opinion of himself and is so much up his own ass it's just crazy. Lest you forget, Prince has a terrible public image too. He's irrelevant outside the fanbase and it doesn't really get much worse than being formerly great and forgotten.

What was he? the biggest Rock Star in the world for one solitary year? a long time ago too.

Prince has no right to be so pretentious.

And NOW it seems he's regularly acknowledging Michael? The biggest star the world has ever seen.

Fuck off Prince... and release some decent new music. If you can.

'Still Waiting'.

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MyNameIsPiper said:

Marrk said:

HA! I'll bite and take you up on that.

I put Prince down as much as the next Prince fan when i see fit.

No doubt, he is great at times but his life and priveleged lifestyle is a gift.

I never saw Mike deriding his fans in song. Ever. He was above that, That aint beneath Prince though. I find it kind of funny to be honest. I mean i 'know' the man and his idiosyncrasies, but casual fans (like my Mrs) hear stories like the recent Matt Damon thing and they lose interest quickly.

Prince has such a high opinion of himself and is so much up his own ass it's just crazy. Lest you forget, Prince has a terrible public image too. He's irrelevant outside the fanbase and it doesn't really get much worse than being formerly great and forgotten.

What was he? the biggest Rock Star in the world for one solitary year? a long time ago too.

Prince has no right to be so pretentious.

And NOW it seems he's regularly acknowledging Michael? The biggest star the world has ever seen.

Fuck off Prince... and release some decent new music. If you can.

'Still Waiting'.

[Edited 6/6/11 16:48pm]

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(need to stop eating all this junk... )

Pass the chicken and pepsi, this gonna get good!

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

MyNameIsPiper said:

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(need to stop eating all this junk... )

Pass the chicken and pepsi, this gonna get good!

No. I'm done. Over before it started.

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Let's not turn this into a Prince V MJ discussion.

There's enough places on the web for that if you want to have those discussions - just pick a site that has your personal bias and go for it.

We don't need it here.

Swa said:

Let's not turn this into a Prince V MJ discussion.

There's enough places on the web for that if you want to have those discussions - just pick a site that has your personal bias and go for it.

We don't need it here.

Was i being 100% serious? Really? No i wasn't. Though there's a lot to hate. Prince has brightened my life up for 30 years on and off.

I just hate the vast majority of MJ/Prince internet fans. Fucking idiots.

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Marrk said:

Swa said:

Let's not turn this into a Prince V MJ discussion.

There's enough places on the web for that if you want to have those discussions - just pick a site that has your personal bias and go for it.

We don't need it here.

Was i being 100% serious? Really? No i wasn't. Though there's a lot to hate. Prince has brightened my life up for 30 years on and off.

I just hate the vast majority of MJ/Prince internet fans. Fucking idiots.

[Edited 6/6/11 18:47pm]

Marrk - I wasn't targeting you in particular - just the general direction the thread was going in. Pointless discussions.

Now back to the music....

Swa said:

Marrk said:

Was i being 100% serious? Really? No i wasn't. Though there's a lot to hate. Prince has brightened my life up for 30 years on and off.

I just hate the vast majority of MJ/Prince internet fans. Fucking idiots.

[Edited 6/6/11 18:47pm]

Marrk - I wasn't targeting you in particular - just the general direction the thread was going in. Pointless discussions.

Now back to the music....

I nominate Swa as moderator of this forum.

My two cents as an equal fan of both and someone who has posted on many a forum over the last decade....I find the MJ fan forums and community much less hospitable than the Prince fan forums/community.....which is exactly why I choose to post about MJ on here.

One more thing... Marrk, you don't sell out the O2 for 21 nights if you're irrelevant outside your fanbase. Come on now.

Militant said:

My two cents as an equal fan of both and someone who has posted on many a forum over the last decade....I find the MJ fan forums and community much less hospitable than the Prince fan forums/community.....which is exactly why I choose to post about MJ on here.

One more thing... Marrk, you don't sell out the O2 for 21 nights if you're irrelevant outside your fanbase. Come on now.

I went. More than once. So did a lot of fans, i dragged a few friends along who weren't that interested based on price alone. Tickets were £31.21p, IndigO2 £25. Where else can you get a night out in Londinium for that price?

So 200,000 tickets were sold. When is the last time an album of his sold that amount in the UK?

Militant said:

My two cents as an equal fan of both and someone who has posted on many a forum over the last decade....I find the MJ fan forums and community much less hospitable than the Prince fan forums/community.....which is exactly why I choose to post about MJ on here.

One more thing... Marrk, you don't sell out the O2 for 21 nights if you're irrelevant outside your fanbase. Come on now.

The first half of your post is exactly what I'm saying, only way more coherent.

I've known a lot of MJ fans over the years, who flat out avoid the MJ fan forums because they know they're bonkers.

And...I don't even get into MJ vs Prince debates. They're stupid. Like you said, the fact that Prince managed to sell out the O2 and has sold the amount of records and has the body of work, respect, and fanbase that he has, says alot.

My reason for being here in the MJ thread on a Prince site (aside from being a massive fan of both) is that I like the discussion on the art and music of Michael on here. I avoid the MJ fan sites as I don't want to get caught up in fawning discussions over his hair, or how nice his butt looked in this shot or that. It's just not for me.

It's also why on the Prince:Music and More discussions you'll only ever find me in the Music discussions, and never caught up in fawning discussions over his hair, or how nice his butt looked in this shot or that. It's just not for me.

Michael Artwork - A life in images and allusions.

As promised here are some of the minute references to Michael in the album artwork. It's probably best to get your copy of the artwork out to spot them all. I'll do my best to have this make sense.

1. Bottom Left (BL) Picture of Joseph and Katherine with family sprouting. The image is wrapped by a belt - a sign of the strong disciplinarian that would have an effect on Michael.

2. Broken Guitar string that kicked off the formation of J5.

3. J5 MiniVan and Steel Town Records.

4. Apollo statue that the Jackson 5 dance on his arm.

5. Jackson 5 - Diana Ross Presents the Jackson 5 image - has a bubble that features an apple box that Michael used to stand on to reach the mic heights in recordings.

6. Behind Apollo is a school book, a rose (Ms Rose Fine) and velvet curtains to depict Michael's education and schooling (that of the stage).

7. Above the book is a swing with a rat on it - depicting Michael's childhood was spent in the studio recording - alluding to Ben (the rat also blows a bubblegum bubble - bubblegum pop).

8. A bubble near the J5 image has cartoon MJ in it.

9. There's a depiction of Going Places with epic record label behind MJ.

10. The Scarecrow from The Wiz - has a hawk on his shoulder to depict MJ being a hawk in the studio when he worked with Quincy.

11. OTW MJ has a glow around him depicting his inner fire.

12. To the right of the Scarecrow is Can You Feel It MJ with hands up to Quincy - showing the collaboration between the two.

13. There is a bubble with forceps - plastic surgery.

14. Behind the Thriller zombies is a hint of a film reel depicting MJ's pioneering of the short film music video.

15. Left of Billie Jean MJ is a bubble with a grammy.

16. Motown 25 MJ is standing over shattered glass showing his break from the group and the fracturing of his relationships.

17. Moon and spaceship - Moonwalk, MTV, ET.

18. Orbiting around the main MJ are bubbles with his fedora, aviators, and glove in it plus walk of fame star. There is also a cluster of bubbles depicting MJ and his 3 kids.

19. Gloved hand over his heart - showing his humanitarian efforts - the royalty garb a nod to KOP.

20 Butterfly - metamorphoses and Butterflies.

21. Cameras near the Leave Me Alone section depict the press. The dogs to the right of MJ and just under the rollercoaster depict the hounding he received and also his once friendly relationship with the press. Two dogs hold a newspaper, one holds torn underpants - biting MJ in the ass.

22. Goldfish with a crown - life in a goldfish bowl.

23. BAD video montage - songs represented include Bad, TWYMMF, SC, SD, LMA, and MITM (Mj's reflection in the baroque mirror). Leave Me Alone also shows MJ with his hands raised as he, Bubble and Muscles plunge down the rollercoaster - showing michael's love of fun and fearlessness.

24. Popcorn in bubble - love of movies and pop.

25. MJ on throne with busts of his 3 kids - supersoaker in hand. The throne has an apple (Applehead) and a chessboard on it.

26. Midget - is actually a mini MJ.

27. Bubbles is the one blowing the bubbles that swirl around the image.

28. The Dangerous album cover mask has images of the tracks in it - Pharoh and Neffertiti from RTT, Angles placing a bandage on a cracked earth - HTT, MJ and Naomi Campbell from ITC, a growling jaguar from BoW, and MJ in rocketman suit standing on Jaguar.

29. Fruit on velvet pillow and golden fence - 3 fruit represent his kids.

30. Women - one's face is obscured by long black hair - Blanket's mother.

31. Oaktree and snakes next to the women - Neverland ranch and the snakes that infiltrated his life.

32. Burning money with MJ's face on it - showed his earnings but also his lavish spending.

33. Beetle on one of the $100 notes - MJ buying the Beatles catalogue.

34. Golden Mallet in Bubble - MJ's trials - and the high cost they took.

35. Bahrain Skyline - above the burning money.

36. Angel and Michael - World - Children - said to represent MJ's message - Will You Be There to save the world?

37. This is it Silhouette - classic pose but with a twist. MJ's hand is over his heart depicting his passing, the TII stage is empty as he would never take the stage in 02, and the pointing hand points back over his career and achievements.

38. Burning tabloids - in MJ's death all the tabloid gossip seemed irrelevant.

39. Bursting bubble - Michael's death.

40. Peter Pan - obvious.

41. Shooting Star - MJ blazing the trail.

42. An empty throne above the mountain of stars - there will never be another to sit in the throne.

Obviously there are many more images - there are 65 different scenes and MJ appears 50 times either literally or symbolically - i just tried to cover off the little things that aren't obvious.

BTW these are not my references but taken from the book that came with the art print by Kadir Nelson.

It's made me appreciate more the artwork that I first felt was that great as a "new album" cover.

I miss just hearing anything about him, and knowing that he was alive.

I miss Michael.

armpit said:

Unholyalliance said:

Oh my fucking god THANK YOU!

I've been trying to tell these people this. I don't know why people think this kinda shit is only exclusive to MJ fans. It's NOT. Not in the least. Especially on an artist specific fanforum.

It's just as unbearable on the Prince and More forums here as well. In general, though, I like to stick to general music forums or non-(insert artist) subforums. There's a lot more room for way more discussions about other artists I like to listen to.

Though some people want to stick to their favorite artist too. That's ok with me.

No one was saying that only MJ fans defend their favorite artist. I certainly didn't. But let's not bullshit around about this - any one who has ever spent ANY real amount of time online in the MJ fan community, knows that they take that shit to another level - it's an entirely different beast. You know this, I know this.

There's a reason why the MJ fan community is the laughingstock of all fan communities, and the one that people are warned away from on a regular basis. And contrary to what a lot of obsessive fans want to think, it isn't solely because MJ's public image was so bad in the last years of his life.

It's because most MJ fans are fucking psychotic.

I have to agree that there are SOME crazy MJ fans; but, fuck have you seen the psychotic Janet and Prince fans? Some of those people make even the craziest MJ fan look sane. Talk about taking the word "stan" to a new level, Janet and Prince fans do just that. Btw, the so-called "laughingstock of all fan communities" probably comes from the fact that MJ fans are so strong in their defense of all of the crap that was thrown at Michael by people who don't know shit and are too damn lazy to find out if what they read is true or not. You can't be a weak ass punk and be a fan of Michael Jackson. You have to be strong enough to stand up to shit from stupid people.

Swa said:

Great article here on MJ's career from a Jazz Perspective.

Michael Jackson (1958-200... Jazz Camp

Michael Jackson, for all his considerable talents, never enjoyed a large following among jazz devotees. His songs are rarely covered by jazz bands (although with one very famous exception), and if you raise his name in a discussion with serious jazzistas, they will usually change the topic to his former producer Quincy Jones, whose artistry is more closely aligned with jazz values.

Yet jazz fans are not immune to the appeal of pop. They will embrace a great songwriter like Joni Mitchell; or a pop star who fills his band with jazz players like Sting; or a hitmaker who shows some impressive instrumental chops like Stevie Wonder. But Michael Jackson did not fit easily into any of these categories.

Yet Jackson had a better sense of the changes transforming the entertainment world during the late 20th century than any of these figures. Jazz fans not only should mourn his passing, but perhaps learn from his example, Then as now, formulas were changing, technologies were evolving, and Michael Jackson was the perfect talent to seize the opportunities of this new era.

In particular, the concept of the singer-songwriter so powerful during the 1970s (and whose individualism was very congruent with the jazz sensibility) would collapse as a platform for popular music during the 1980s. The intimacy and nuanced effects of this approach were not well suited to a multimedia age, which wanted something larger and more spectacular. Michael Jackson provided thispanem et circenses spectacle, although in his case it was a spectacle that sometimes continued offstage and in private life.

The arrival of music videos and cable television was almost like a second coming of talking movies. Just as during that earlier age, audiences were attracted to stars who could exploit the full potential of the new medium. A half-century before, movie releases had been marketed for their all singing, all talking, all dancing grandeur. The screen might be smaller at the home entertainment center during the 1980s, but the appetite for powerful visual effects was much the same. A Stevie Wonder or Joni Mitchell, for all their musical talent no doubt deeper than Jackson's when measured in mere sharps and flats were not capable of operating on this level.

In truth, no musical performer of his generation had a more powerful visual impact on the screen than Michael Jackson. He was so dynamic in front of the camera, that the Disney corporation even built a 3D film for its theme parks around him and got Francis Ford Coppola to direct it and George Lucas to serve as executive producer. What a strange turn of events: after all, 3D films had always focused on massive effects, scary or scenic, something on a Grand Canyon type of scale. Now a 3D film was built around a personality?

But Michael Jackson was not just another personality he also operated on a Grand Canyon kind of scale. And I can assure you from the lines I encountered when I went to see Captain EO at Disneyland, that this was a hugely popular attraction. How many films do you know that enjoy a decade-long run? In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the movie has a return engagement in the near future.

But it was in the more downsized and compact format of the music video where Michael Jackson crystallized his artistry and built his enormous audience. Here is the core of his legacy, one that you will not be able to appreciate if you simply listen to the compact disks or study the lead sheets.

This is not to dismiss his purely musical talents Jackson's genuine skills as a singer had been clear from his earliest years. And through some strange biological fluke perhaps aided by who-knows-what Jackson retained the childlike quality of his voice even after he reached adulthood. To some degree, he reminded me of Ella Fitzgerald, who also managed to convey a sweet innocence, almost the exact opposite of the sassiness and sultriness around her, and put its stamp on everything she sang. Jackson was the same, and in the midst of a music scene that featured some of the most brazen and push-the-envelope acts in the history of music the Sex Pistols were formed at almost the same moment that the Jackson 5 left Motown he always held on to the ingenuous aura of the child star.

But it was as a dancer that Michael Jackson parlayed his talents into superstardom. It was the moonwalk that killed the singer-songwriters, who stayed hidden behind their pianos and guitars while Jackson strutted the big stage. Youngsters everywhere imitated his steps, not his voice, and even today, his footwork is admired and emulated by countless stars and wannabe stars. (See some example here.)

All of this is foreign to the jazz sensibility. Jazz once had a close relationship with popular dance not coincidentally during its period of greatest financial success. But in the 1980s, jazz had lost this connection. Jazz bands might be able to cover Jackson's tunes (not often, as I noted above I still remember working in a combo where the sidemen rebelled after the leader wanted to play Beat It; he gave up and called another tune); but they could not assimilate the full effect of Michael Jackson, which started with his toes and only gradually arrived at the vocal chords and cerebellum.

Jazz fans did know about Quincy Jones, however. They had known about Jones long before Jackson and the mass audience had discovered him. They would give him much of the credit for Jackson's hits, and certainly he played a key part in the elevation of this pop superstar. Yet Jones's brilliance lay in adapting his techniques to Jackson's inherent strengths and potent charisma and not merely applying some formula he had learned from his jazz days.

The production tricks Jones brought to these hit tracks are fascinating to study. And sometimes daring in bizarre ways. How did Jones ever get the idea of taking little snippets of Jackson squeaking out high notes, and use them as background effects almost like birds chirping on the trees? Then Jones would mix this amalgamation of quasi-ambient sounds with a lead vocal, hypnotic bassline and a very 80s-style rhythmic sensibility. All this was a far cry from what Jones had done with Sinatra and jazz players, but give this man born in 1933 his due for understanding the new sensibility in a a way that no one of his generation could approach.

If you had any doubts that this was the right formula, you merely needed to look at the Billboardcharts. The Jackson-Jones collaborations sold around 200 million albums. The duo eventually parted ways, and Jackson was focused on producing his own music. Yet he never came close to matching the sales of his work with QJ.

Jazz fans might think that this success was driven more by technology (videos, cable TV) than by musical factors. But a close examination of the history of jazz shows that the same marriage of music and technology has driven its own success. The possibility of jazz as an improvised art form with large scale distribution depended on the invention of sound recordings. Benny Goodman's immense success and indeed the whole phenomenon of the Swing Era would not have been possible without the widespread adoption of radios in American households. Without long-playing records there would have been no Kind of Blue or A Love Supreme.

Music and technology have always been interlinked, ever since the first cave dweller figured out how make a bone into a flute, the hide of an animal into a drum. If the jazz world didn't embrace Jackson, it was due to the fact that the technologies he parlayed into fame were those which jazz players were either unable or unwilling to assimilate into their own creative endeavors.

Yet it's clear to me that, two decades after Jackson's biggest hits, the jazz world can still learn from his example. Only nowadays, the stakes from comprehending the symbiotic relationship of music, technology and media are even higher.

This blog entry posted by Ted Gioia

source: http://www.jazz.com/jazz-...erspective

Interesting read. Thanks for posting.

Free2BMe said:

I have to agree that there are SOME crazy MJ fans; but, fuck have you seen the psychotic Janet and Prince fans? Some of those people make even the craziest MJ fan look sane. Talk about taking the word "stan" to a new level, Janet and Prince fans do just that. Btw, the so-called "laughingstock of all fan communities" probably comes from the fact that MJ fans are so strong in their defense of all of the crap that was thrown at Michael by people who don't know shit and are too damn lazy to find out if what they read is true or not. You can't be a weak ass punk and be a fan of Michael Jackson. You have to be strong enough to stand up to shit from stupid people.

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This is what I've been trying to say for some time now. Also, the irony here is that everyone in this thread are still viewed as crazy MJ fanatics. I believe it's the stigma that comes with the fandom.

Free2BMe said:

armpit said:

No one was saying that only MJ fans defend their favorite artist. I certainly didn't. But let's not bullshit around about this - any one who has ever spent ANY real amount of time online in the MJ fan community, knows that they take that shit to another level - it's an entirely different beast. You know this, I know this.

There's a reason why the MJ fan community is the laughingstock of all fan communities, and the one that people are warned away from on a regular basis. And contrary to what a lot of obsessive fans want to think, it isn't solely because MJ's public image was so bad in the last years of his life.

It's because most MJ fans are fucking psychotic.

I have to agree that there are SOME crazy MJ fans; but, fuck have you seen the psychotic Janet and Prince fans? Some of those people make even the craziest MJ fan look sane. Talk about taking the word "stan" to a new level, Janet and Prince fans do just that. Btw, the so-called "laughingstock of all fan communities" probably comes from the fact that MJ fans are so strong in their defense of all of the crap that was thrown at Michael by people who don't know shit and are too damn lazy to find out if what they read is true or not. You can't be a weak ass punk and be a fan of Michael Jackson. You have to be strong enough to stand up to shit from stupid people.