rialb said:

What were the major musical movements circa 2000-2010?

Ringtone music like Laffy Taffy and maybe emo and Nelly style sing-rapping. I don't know what emo sounds like, but I've seen kids dressed in that way. I don't follow much new stuff. The newer acts I like make old style music like Raul Midon, Soil & PIMP Sessions, Lizz Wright or Sharon Jones & The Dap Kings. I quit listening to the radio on purpose long ago.

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Damn near all forms of RAP . . YES, I said it because it's the damn truth

Grunge Music and all the artist that made it . . . YES I said it because it's the damn truth.

Swivel head barbie dolls singers who can't sing their butts out of a shower.

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trueiopian said:

Mariah Carey and Britney Spears.

Oh damn! How could I have forgotten Britney Spears? That trick should have been at the top of my list!

728huey said:

1. Pat Boone - In the early days of rock and roll, when much of white America over the age of 21 freaked out at the sight of white teens going happily nuts over the music by black artists, he was brought in to sanitize said black music.

Sounds like Eminem.

MickyDolenz said:

rialb said:

What were the major musical movements circa 2000-2010?

Ringtone music like Laffy Taffy and maybe emo and Nelly style sing-rapping. I don't know what emo sounds like, but I've seen kids dressed in that way. I don't follow much new stuff. The newer acts I like make old style music like Raul Midon, Soil & PIMP Sessions, Lizz Wright or Sharon Jones & The Dap Kings. I quit listening to the radio on purpose long ago.

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from what i heard EMO is basically groups like Snow Patrol on that order, mellow, dramatic, slow begnnings building choruses, basically hair metal ballads, without the ....hair and awful fashion.

britney spears, kesha, chris brown etc

JoeTyler said:

here's mine:

1.The Monkees (easily the first corporate/sellout/artificial act of modern pop music)

2.Whitney Houston (enter the era of cheap & crappy hard-dance which replaced the original R&B sound; at least Janet had much better singles...)

3.Poison (they turned hard-rock into a joke, and spawned dozens of crappy imitators)

4.Winger (the most offending imitators of the Poison formula; "Seventeen" is probably the worst single of the late 80s and that's sayin' something...)

5.Deicide (the most hateful and pathetic band of the entire death-metal subgenre; metal stopped being fun in the 90s with the mainstream success of the crappy black-metal and death-metal)

6.Weezer (the godfathers of the boring, insipid & overrated alternative rock of the 90s. At least Nirvana and the Pixies had balls and twisted humor)

7.Alanis Morrisette (I don't hate her, but she spawned the sterile female/songwriter craze of the late-90s and dozens of crappy imitators)

8.Boyzone (perhaps the most insulting dance/pop-boy band of the mid-90s; by comparison, the BSB are respectable and worthy...)

9.Usher (enter the era of cheap & crappy synth-shit/hop, he has spawned dozens of crappy imitators; on top of that his singles are crap... at least the BEP craft good singles)

10.Chris Brown (the worst mainstream rapper of all time, and a complete piece of shit as a person, Chuck D should destroy this little twit...)

When was Chris Brown a rapper?

lastdecember said:

MickyDolenz said:

Ringtone music like Laffy Taffy and maybe emo and Nelly style sing-rapping. I don't know what emo sounds like, but I've seen kids dressed in that way. I don't follow much new stuff. The newer acts I like make old style music like Raul Midon, Soil & PIMP Sessions, Lizz Wright or Sharon Jones & The Dap Kings. I quit listening to the radio on purpose long ago.

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from what i heard EMO is basically groups like Snow Patrol on that order, mellow, dramatic, slow begnnings building choruses, basically hair metal ballads, without the ....hair and awful fashion.

I never liked that type of music. They always considered My Chemical Romance "emo" but I don't get that vibe from them though they always wanna put them in that category. I doubt real "emo" kids would listen to crap like that though. The ones who do are posers. Same with "punks" but they list Avril Lavigne as a punk rocker and had no idea about either Debbie Harry or Joan Jett. Like you expect "emo" kids to know who the Cure is or who Bauhaus were despite them claiming to be emo or "gothic" and having no clue about music. Like hip-hop fans of this generation not knowing who the hell MC Lyte or Madame X is but have the nerve to think Lil Kim or Nicki Minaj are what is considered hip-hop. I doubt it's a generational thing anymore. More of a smart vs. dumb theory going around here. Or those scene kids who will listen to artists who everyone else thinks it's cool, jumping on trends, then posing in their underwear in front of the poster of their favorite band acting like they know what is cool and what is not.

bboy87 said:

JoeTyler said:

10.Chris Brown (the worst mainstream rapper of all time, and a complete piece of shit as a person, Chuck D should destroy this little twit...)

When was Chris Brown a rapper?

well, at least he tries to be a rapper, he's the clown of the town...

This is an entirely subjective list, and I'm sure most will disagree with my picks.

The Beatles: The spawned millions of followers of their annoying, tinny, irritating sound.

The Eagles: Yawn-central arena rock reached its peak with these bozos.

Pink Floyd: I can respect the curious adventuresome nature of prog, but these guys just went waaaaaaay too far into their navel for my liking, resulting in countless high school and college kids tormenting their friends and roommates with this "deep", "cool" sludge.

Led Zeppelin: See Pink Floyd, but for cock-rock.

Queen: They made a career out of glam-lite, stealing thunder from far more worthy artists like David Bowie, T. Rex and Roxy Music, among a host of others.

Backstreet Boys: Their rabid success in the late 90s ruined mainstream radio for good, it seems.

Creed: Their nauseating "inspiring" post-grunge ruined mainstream rock for good, it seems.

Beyonce: Her aggressive obnoxiousness changed the way female artists need to be marketed, produced and presented. The pinnacle of "dumb" music.

The Black Eyed Peas: Disgustingly "legitimized" by a Super Bowl Halftime performance, they are laregly responsible for inflicting Fuggie on the world.

Oh yeah, I totally forgot Simon Cowell. The whole Idol thing has absolutely destroyed creativity and uniqueness among pop radio.

Moonbeam said:

Oh yeah, I totally forgot Simon Cowell. The whole Idol thing has absolutely destroyed creativity and uniqueness among pop radio.

It needs to die like now. Thankfully though NONE of the Idols' careers have had that much lasting power. Clay Aiken got dropped from his label and so did David Archuleta. Won't be long until the 2009 cast get dropped from their label too. It's almost assured they would. One of them was being billed to be the breakthrough star of 2010 but his 2009 awards performance ruined any chance he had. Won't even be surprised if he struggles to put out another album. No one wants to hear his pseudo glam rock, which wasn't even that to begin with. But other than that their relevance was shot years ago.

Moonbeam said:

This is an entirely subjective list, and I'm sure most will disagree with my picks.

The Beatles: The spawned millions of followers of their annoying, tinny, irritating sound.

The Eagles: Yawn-central arena rock reached its peak with these bozos.

Pink Floyd: I can respect the curious adventuresome nature of prog, but these guys just went waaaaaaay too far into their navel for my liking, resulting in countless high school and college kids tormenting their friends and roommates with this "deep", "cool" sludge.

Led Zeppelin: See Pink Floyd, but for cock-rock.

Queen: They made a career out of glam-lite, stealing thunder from far more worthy artists like David Bowie, T. Rex and Roxy Music, among a host of others.

Backstreet Boys: Their rabid success in the late 90s ruined mainstream radio for good, it seems.

Creed: Their nauseating "inspiring" post-grunge ruined mainstream rock for good, it seems.

Beyonce: Her aggressive obnoxiousness changed the way female artists need to be marketed, produced and presented. The pinnacle of "dumb" music.

The Black Eyed Peas: Disgustingly "legitimized" by a Super Bowl Halftime performance, they are laregly responsible for inflicting Fuggie on the world.

Oddly enough, I can respect your choices (and I'm a Zeppelin fan), specially Queen: don't get me wrong I love the band but they only released two strong albums, Night at the Opera and the Game, period, a loud & flashy singles act. Freddie and Brian are amazing anyway.

but the Beatles?? c'mon, like Dylan, you may not like their sound, but they basically defined the pop formula for the 70s, 80s and 90s. Give'em "credit" cuz both Bowie and Roxy are BIG Beatles fans lol

and by the way, no Weezer??

I'm siding with Micky. This is all decisive.

JoeTyler said:

Moonbeam said:

This is an entirely subjective list, and I'm sure most will disagree with my picks.

The Beatles: The spawned millions of followers of their annoying, tinny, irritating sound.

The Eagles: Yawn-central arena rock reached its peak with these bozos.

Pink Floyd: I can respect the curious adventuresome nature of prog, but these guys just went waaaaaaay too far into their navel for my liking, resulting in countless high school and college kids tormenting their friends and roommates with this "deep", "cool" sludge.

Led Zeppelin: See Pink Floyd, but for cock-rock.

Queen: They made a career out of glam-lite, stealing thunder from far more worthy artists like David Bowie, T. Rex and Roxy Music, among a host of others.

Backstreet Boys: Their rabid success in the late 90s ruined mainstream radio for good, it seems.

Creed: Their nauseating "inspiring" post-grunge ruined mainstream rock for good, it seems.

Beyonce: Her aggressive obnoxiousness changed the way female artists need to be marketed, produced and presented. The pinnacle of "dumb" music.

The Black Eyed Peas: Disgustingly "legitimized" by a Super Bowl Halftime performance, they are laregly responsible for inflicting Fuggie on the world.

Oddly enough, I can respect your choices (and I'm a Zeppelin fan), specially Queen: don't get me wrong I love the band but they only released two strong albums, Night at the Opera and the Game, period, a loud & flashy singles act. Freddie and Brian are amazing anyway.

but the Beatles?? c'mon, like Dylan, you may not like their sound, but they basically defined the pop formula for the 70s, 80s and 90s. Give'em "credit" cuz both Bowie and Roxy are BIG Beatles fans lol

and by the way, no Weezer??

Well, I like how the artists you mention use the influence in a way so as not to sound like The Beatles. Listening to mid-late 60s mainstream pop for me is a difficult experience.

I'm happy to acknowledge their influence and talent - I just don't like the sound. Same goes for Zeppelin, Queen, The Eagles and Pink Floyd. They're all legitimate artists and icons, but I'll be damned if I want to listen to them.

As for Weezer, I also don't like them at all, but I don't think they were either big enough or influential enough to warrant inclusion on this list. I do detest a lot of that late 90s, early 00s whiny pop-punk like Sum 41, New Found Glory, etc., but Weezer seemed a bit different to that.

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Chris Brown isn't a rapper.

MickyDolenz said:

2freaky4church1 said:

You forget they did that movie Head. Frank Zappa even loved them.

elephant parts is a pretty funny movie too!

Timmy84 said:

Weird thing is up until 2009, I was in the same position you guys were about how music declined after the advance of technology but I think in the fray there is still great music that is often in critical raves but is not as commercially successful as one would hope. But I think it's just a cycle that repeats itself. Maybe not in the way it used to do but it does repeat itself...

Thank you.. Just a bunch of music snobs ranting as usual

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

Weird thing is up until 2009, I was in the same position you guys were about how music declined after the advance of technology but I think in the fray there is still great music that is often in critical raves but is not as commercially successful as one would hope. But I think it's just a cycle that repeats itself. Maybe not in the way it used to do but it does repeat itself...

Thank you.. Just a bunch of music snobs ranting as usual

Yeah in a way I can get some of the arguments here, but at the end of the day, it's really just a cycle. I think it's because people prefer a genre of music and when that other genre gets more popular they get mad. It happens.

MJJstudent said:

elephant parts is a pretty funny movie too!

Charlie Smalls, who later wrote The Wiz, appeared on the show too.

couple things. uhhhh, Chris Brown is NOT a rapper. hate him if you must, but at least get his genre right. Neither he nor Usher would make my top 10 list, they are just the latest in a slew of MJ imitators and/or teen artists designed to milk the tween market and Usher has had GREAT singles, ballads in particular (Nice and Slow, U Got It Bad, and There Goes My Baby are quality joints to name a few). Alanis' OTHER incarnation as a Canadian pop ingenue was the corporate sell job, her thoughtful, more serious self that became a star is the real her (the fact that she sparked imitators like Avril Lavigne and Fiona Apple is not her fault)

and Whitney, hmmm, too much of a classic voice to be on such a list IMO, her thin pop dance numbers, welll i see why she's on your list. good point, i hadn't thought about how she affected "uptempo R & B"

but here are a couple that should be on,

Elvis Presley, the original thief and steal from black artists and go gazilliplatinum remaking and selling their stuff to white ppl.

New Kids on the Block (the new edition swagger jackers who spawned the boy bad phenom years later)

I give you Poison and Winger.

Let me think on this, should have a couple more

datdude said:

Elvis Presley, the original thief and steal from black artists

This again? First of all Elvis never hid his influences and spoke about them all the time. Second, blacks bought his records and Elvis even used to get written about in Jet magazine. Third there were white acts long before Elvis that were influenced by or performed black based music such as Stephen Foster, Benny "King Of Swing" Goodman, Nick LaRocca, Bix Beiderbecke, Artie Shaw, Moon Mullican, Bob Wills, and many others. You're also forgetting the many blackface acts (blacks performed blackface too). Some latin music is based on African music. Why don't you say that Marion Anderson "stole" white music singing opera and she made a good living at it too or the many black R&B/soul/disco/etc. acts & producers that used strings and orchestras on their songs. What about Sammy Davis Jr, Paul Robeson, and Nat "King" Cole singing showtunes and standards? Everybody is influenced by something, your comment makes no sense. Now the record & publishing companies and some managers steal (money) from everyone, no matter what the race.

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Lil' Wayne and his Young Money clan automatically came to mind

Y'all give artists TOO MUCH POWER sometimes without even realizing it. Just saying.

How about Michael Jackson? Whether you like his music or not I think it's obvious that the legion of imitators that he spawned has seriously harmed the development of R & B music. Far, far too many modern male R & B singers are essentially Michael Jackson tribute artists/imitators. Is it fair to blame MJ for this? Maybe not but I think his influence on the last 25 years of music has been negative.

In the same vein we have Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey to "thank" for the apalling oversinging that has crept into popular music over the last twenty years. Just because you have a powerful voice and can hold and stretch notes for a long time does not mean you should do it on every darn song! Singers today should ignore Whitney and Mariah and dig into some Aretha Franklin records to hear how it should be done. Aretha could sing her behind off but she also knew when to hold back.

JoeTyler said:

Moonbeam said:

This is an entirely subjective list, and I'm sure most will disagree with my picks.

The Beatles: The spawned millions of followers of their annoying, tinny, irritating sound.

The Eagles: Yawn-central arena rock reached its peak with these bozos.

Pink Floyd: I can respect the curious adventuresome nature of prog, but these guys just went waaaaaaay too far into their navel for my liking, resulting in countless high school and college kids tormenting their friends and roommates with this "deep", "cool" sludge.

Led Zeppelin: See Pink Floyd, but for cock-rock.

Queen: They made a career out of glam-lite, stealing thunder from far more worthy artists like David Bowie, T. Rex and Roxy Music, among a host of others.

Backstreet Boys: Their rabid success in the late 90s ruined mainstream radio for good, it seems.

Creed: Their nauseating "inspiring" post-grunge ruined mainstream rock for good, it seems.

Beyonce: Her aggressive obnoxiousness changed the way female artists need to be marketed, produced and presented. The pinnacle of "dumb" music.

The Black Eyed Peas: Disgustingly "legitimized" by a Super Bowl Halftime performance, they are laregly responsible for inflicting Fuggie on the world.

Oddly enough, I can respect your choices (and I'm a Zeppelin fan), specially Queen: don't get me wrong I love the band but they only released two strong albums, Night at the Opera and the Game, period, a loud & flashy singles act. Freddie and Brian are amazing anyway.

but the Beatles?? c'mon, like Dylan, you may not like their sound, but they basically defined the pop formula for the 70s, 80s and 90s. Give'em "credit" cuz both Bowie and Roxy are BIG Beatles fans lol

and by the way, no Weezer??

I basically agree (but I think that A Night at the Opera is a bit overpraised due to the inclusion of "Bohemian Rhapsody"). I like Queen but most of their albums have a little too much filler and unlike most of their peers they never really delivered one killer album. For me News of the World was as close as they came to a masterpiece.

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Moonbeam said:

This is an entirely subjective list, and I'm sure most will disagree with my picks.

The Beatles: The spawned millions of followers of their annoying, tinny, irritating sound.

The Eagles: Yawn-central arena rock reached its peak with these bozos.

Pink Floyd: I can respect the curious adventuresome nature of prog, but these guys just went waaaaaaay too far into their navel for my liking, resulting in countless high school and college kids tormenting their friends and roommates with this "deep", "cool" sludge.

Led Zeppelin: See Pink Floyd, but for cock-rock.

Queen: They made a career out of glam-lite, stealing thunder from far more worthy artists like David Bowie, T. Rex and Roxy Music, among a host of others.

Backstreet Boys: Their rabid success in the late 90s ruined mainstream radio for good, it seems.

Creed: Their nauseating "inspiring" post-grunge ruined mainstream rock for good, it seems.

Beyonce: Her aggressive obnoxiousness changed the way female artists need to be marketed, produced and presented. The pinnacle of "dumb" music.

The Black Eyed Peas: Disgustingly "legitimized" by a Super Bowl Halftime performance, they are laregly responsible for inflicting Fuggie on the world.

Well, they did set the table for the success of Nickelback so, yeah, they've earned a spot on this list!

Realistically the blame should go to the A & R guys who sign up all of these soundalike artists. I never understood that way of thinking. If artist "A" is very popular and has a distinct sound doesn't it make sense to look for an artist "B" that has a sound that is as far away from artist "A" as possible? Why would I want to hear an inferior version? I would much prefer hearing someone do their own thing.

Timmy84 said:

rialb said:

Oh, I'm just really pissed off that "the kids" abandoned the Jonas Brothers so quickly. Michael Bland and Sonny Thompson deserved a bit more of that Jonas money!

Honestly their shelf life did not surprise me. How many teen acts do you know (with exceptions obviously) survive their third year?

You get a two-year head start, then you reach puberty and they forget you.

menudo??

MJJstudent said:

menudo??

They never had a consistent lineup as each member was replaced when they reached 16. I think the most popular version was the one just before Ricky Martin joined. That was the lineup who had the Saturday morning show on ABC, had a movie, and was on Silver Spoons and other programs.