STOP. EXPLOITING MICHAEL'S CHILDREN!!! PLEASE! GIVE THEM SOME PRIVACY! just the look on blanket's face disturbs me. they waited until their father was not here to do this. this really upsets me. i know michael said his children were children of ALL of us, but i don't think he meant it in this way. please katherine, respect your son's wishes to not do this to his children.

this truly hurts my heart.

NMuzakNSoul said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Yeah I was surprised too. I really dont like this, it looks to me like they are being used and exploited for the Jacksons benefit. Katherine should be pulling them away from the spotlight, not pushing them towards it.

Yeah that's how I feel.

it looks like exploitation b/c that's what it is.

mj's heal the world foundation was shuttered well before he died. a woman took the name over, and had been fraudulently using it to get people to contribute, thinking they were supporting mj's charity. they're only supporting her pocketbook. mj sued her before he died, but she's been resurrected by her association w/howard mann.

mann has a contract w/katherine that she is to do promotional appearances, and will make mj3 available to do them as well. kat gets $10K, plus 25% of the profits any of these ventures bring; there is nothing in the contract that says mj3 get anything. what's worse, the contract supersedes kat's death, meaning the kids are 'bound' to mann for his purposes. recently, the estate filed suit against mann and this heal the world woman, but as you can see, they're all thumbing their noses at the estate. they're purposely putting mj3 on tv to promote an illegal charity, and i'm sure the kids have no idea that's what they're doing.

they say, 'sow the wind, reap the whirlwind'. it is my prayer that not only will kat, mann and the others be sued by the estate, HARD, i hope that this action will cause her to lose custody of mj3. someone has to step in and stop this.

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NaughtyKitty said:

bboy87 said:

ANOTHER interview?

Yeah I was surprised too. I really dont like this, it looks to me like they are being used and exploited for the Jacksons benefit. Katherine should be pulling them away from the spotlight, not pushing them towards it.

Exactly. Blanket does not look comfortable at all. Paris seems to be watching her like a hawk and this time, Prince looks like he doesn't care.

kibbles said:

it looks like exploitation b/c that's what it is.

mj's heal the world foundation was shuttered well before he died. a woman took the name over, and had been fraudulently using it to get people to contribute, thinking they were supporting mj's charity. they're only supporting her pocketbook. mj sued her before he died, but she's been resurrected by her association w/howard mann.

mann has a contract w/katherine that she is to do promotional appearances, and will make mj3 available to do them as well. kat gets $10K, plus 25% of the profits any of these ventures bring; there is nothing in the contract that says mj3 get anything. what's worse, the contract supersedes kat's death, meaning the kids are 'bound' to mann for his purposes. recently, the estate filed suit against mann and this heal the world woman, but as you can see, they're all thumbing their noses at the estate. they're purposely putting mj3 on tv to promote an illegal charity, and i'm sure the kids have no idea that's what they're doing.

they say, 'sow the wind, reap the whirlwind'. it is my prayer that not only will kat, mann and the others be sued by the estate, HARD, i hope that this action will cause her to lose custody of mj3. someone has to step in and stop this.

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kibbles, i'm not a fan of what wietzman, branca and mc clain are doing (as i think they are illegally running the estate, as they never showed physical proof of branca running the estate as relevant as far as i know after his 2003 firing... why was the will not updated and signed by michael to fit the changing of the guard? there are people named in that will not in the camp any more)- i also find dileo's association with ATV/sony suspicious as to why he suddenly joined the fold again...and we could have debates on that one for decades.

but i have to say i concur with you ONE BILLION PERCENT on everything you said here.

dag said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Yeah I was surprised too. I really dont like this, it looks to me like they are being used and exploited for the Jacksons benefit. Katherine should be pulling them away from the spotlight, not pushing them towards it.

Exactly. Blanket does not look comfortable at all. Paris seems to be watching her like a hawk and this time, Prince looks like he doesn't care.

yeah... i haven't even SEEN the video, and just by the still, your desription is exactly what i saw. they are severely disrespecting michael's wishes and legacy.

kibbles said:

NMuzakNSoul said:

Yeah that's how I feel.

it looks like exploitation b/c that's what it is.

mj's heal the world foundation was shuttered well before he died. a woman took the name over, and had been fraudulently using it to get people to contribute, thinking they were supporting mj's charity. they're only supporting her pocketbook. mj sued her before he died, but she's been resurrected by her association w/howard mann.

mann has a contract w/katherine that she is to do promotional appearances, and will make mj3 available to do them as well. kat gets $10K, plus 25% of the profits any of these ventures bring; there is nothing in the contract that says mj3 get anything. what's worse, the contract supersedes kat's death, meaning the kids are 'bound' to mann for his purposes. recently, the estate filed suit against mann and this heal the world woman, but as you can see, they're all thumbing their noses at the estate. they're purposely putting mj3 on tv to promote an illegal charity, and i'm sure the kids have no idea that's what they're doing.

they say, 'sow the wind, reap the whirlwind'. it is my prayer that not only will kat, mann and the others be sued by the estate, HARD, i hope that this action will cause her to lose custody of mj3. someone has to step in and stop this.

[Edited 2/24/11 9:28am]

I didnt know this! Now this makes me

NaughtyKitty said:

kibbles said:

it looks like exploitation b/c that's what it is.

mj's heal the world foundation was shuttered well before he died. a woman took the name over, and had been fraudulently using it to get people to contribute, thinking they were supporting mj's charity. they're only supporting her pocketbook. mj sued her before he died, but she's been resurrected by her association w/howard mann.

mann has a contract w/katherine that she is to do promotional appearances, and will make mj3 available to do them as well. kat gets $10K, plus 25% of the profits any of these ventures bring; there is nothing in the contract that says mj3 get anything. what's worse, the contract supersedes kat's death, meaning the kids are 'bound' to mann for his purposes. recently, the estate filed suit against mann and this heal the world woman, but as you can see, they're all thumbing their noses at the estate. they're purposely putting mj3 on tv to promote an illegal charity, and i'm sure the kids have no idea that's what they're doing.

they say, 'sow the wind, reap the whirlwind'. it is my prayer that not only will kat, mann and the others be sued by the estate, HARD, i hope that this action will cause her to lose custody of mj3. someone has to step in and stop this.

[Edited 2/24/11 9:28am]

I didnt know this! Now this makes me

Me neither.

MJJstudent said:

kibbles said:

it looks like exploitation b/c that's what it is.

mj's heal the world foundation was shuttered well before he died. a woman took the name over, and had been fraudulently using it to get people to contribute, thinking they were supporting mj's charity. they're only supporting her pocketbook. mj sued her before he died, but she's been resurrected by her association w/howard mann.

mann has a contract w/katherine that she is to do promotional appearances, and will make mj3 available to do them as well. kat gets $10K, plus 25% of the profits any of these ventures bring; there is nothing in the contract that says mj3 get anything. what's worse, the contract supersedes kat's death, meaning the kids are 'bound' to mann for his purposes. recently, the estate filed suit against mann and this heal the world woman, but as you can see, they're all thumbing their noses at the estate. they're purposely putting mj3 on tv to promote an illegal charity, and i'm sure the kids have no idea that's what they're doing.

they say, 'sow the wind, reap the whirlwind'. it is my prayer that not only will kat, mann and the others be sued by the estate, HARD, i hope that this action will cause her to lose custody of mj3. someone has to step in and stop this.

[Edited 2/24/11 9:28am]

kibbles, i'm not a fan of what wietzman, branca and mc clain are doing (as i think they are illegally running the estate, as they never showed physical proof of branca running the estate as relevant as far as i know after his 2003 firing... why was the will not updated and signed by michael to fit the changing of the guard? there are people named in that will not in the camp any more)- i also find dileo's association with ATV/sony suspicious as to why he suddenly joined the fold again...and we could have debates on that one for decades.

but i have to say i concur with you ONE BILLION PERCENT on everything you said here.

raymone bain says that she once asked mj if his estate was in order, and he replied, 'yes'. she says when she tried to press him on it, he got annoyed and told her he had it taken care of and that it was what he wanted. as you probably know, bain was around after branca left. clearly, mj was satisfied with the state of affairs.

i haven't updated my will in years b/c i'm satisfied with what's in there. same thing w/mj; why would he need to update his will and trust when it was what he wanted? he gave his money to his kids, made a provision for his mother to be taken care of during her lifetime, and gave to charities. knowing what we know about mj, there is nothing particularly shocking about that.

branca, mcclain and another guy, an accountant, were named as executors. the accountant later asked to be removed and was, which was noted in the trust doc. so who is named in the will/trust that is not supposed to be? branca could not provide evidence of running the estate b/c mj was alive and was running his estate himself. branca is one of the best entertainment lawyers out there, cut his teeth on the elvis estate, and had known mj a long time. whatever their ups and downs - and no one is saying that there were none - mj apparently felt branca was still a good choice to administer his estate. mj was about business. it was he who asked branca to come back to his team in what turned out to be the last few weeks of his life, and branca was in the process of making deals for mj when murray killed him. i don't understand the 'illegal' comment.

same thing with dileo - he was asked to come back. i don't particularly like him either; he's always been kinda shady, but i guess he served his purpose.

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I'm through with these fools including the family. My heart is going out to his children.

Here is some more info on Melissa Johnson/Heal the World foundation:

2/09/2011

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good find, naughty kitty.

i went to the tmz website to try to download the mann contract but it's taking too long, but here's the link to the article: http://www.tmz.com/2010/1...ward-mann/

again, it is my prayer that all of these people get theirs, including kat. there is just no excuse for this type of evil. i feel so, so, so sorry for mj3.

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^^ Is Katherine really that senile? Jesus Christ...

Mike must be rolling in his grave.

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kibbles said:

good find, naughty kitty. i went to the tmz website to try to download the mann contract but it's taking too long, but here's the link to the article: http://www.tmz.com/2010/1...ward-mann/ again, it is my prayer that all of these people get theirs, including kat. there is just no excuse for this type of evil. i feel so, so, so sorry for mj3.

I agree. I wanna be surprised by Katherine's actions but I guess she was ALWAYS like this. Whatever with her too. Just whatever. To Prince, Paris & Blanket, I pray your "family's" ignorance disease don't spread on either of y'all.

Timmy84 said:

kibbles said:

good find, naughty kitty. i went to the tmz website to try to download the mann contract but it's taking too long, but here's the link to the article: http://www.tmz.com/2010/1...ward-mann/ again, it is my prayer that all of these people get theirs, including kat. there is just no excuse for this type of evil. i feel so, so, so sorry for mj3.

I agree. I wanna be surprised by Katherine's actions but I guess she was ALWAYS like this. Whatever with her too. Just whatever. To Prince, Paris & Blanket, I pray your "family's" ignorance disease don't spread on either of y'all.

Me too. So far I find them to be cautious. Except for Prince who for some reason must have been in a great mood during this interveiw cause he surely didn't seem to enjoy the Oprah one, you can see that they are not very comfortable doing this.

kibbles said:

good find, naughty kitty.

i went to the tmz website to try to download the mann contract but it's taking too long, but here's the link to the article: http://www.tmz.com/2010/1...ward-mann/

again, it is my prayer that all of these people get theirs, including kat. there is just no excuse for this type of evil. i feel so, so, so sorry for mj3.

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Thanks Kibbles, after reading your post I just had to find more info on Melissa J. so I Googled her and found these articles. Un-freakin-believable! I cant believe Katherine had those kids go on that interview wearing the t-shirts of a fraudelent charity! She's got them involved with Mann and his shady illegal business dealing. And all this time people have been thinking that Joe was the main bad guy in the family. Something needs to be done--enough is enough!

NaughtyKitty said:

So Katherine Jackson and MJ3 did a sit down interview with Good Morning America. The full interview will air tomorrow but they showed a clip of it this morning:

All in favour of building a pseudo-family to adopt the kids from Katherine and raise them proper please say "ay".

This makes me just sad...I wish I could do something myself.

SherryJackson said:

NaughtyKitty said:

So Katherine Jackson and MJ3 did a sit down interview with Good Morning America. The full interview will air tomorrow but they showed a clip of it this morning:

All in favour of building a pseudo-family to adopt the kids from Katherine and raise them proper please say "ay".

This makes me just sad...I wish I could do something myself.

Could you please explain this? I don't understnad this sentence. Who is going to adopt the kids and raise them... Sorry, English ain't my mother tongue...

NaughtyKitty said:

kibbles said:

good find, naughty kitty.

i went to the tmz website to try to download the mann contract but it's taking too long, but here's the link to the article: http://www.tmz.com/2010/1...ward-mann/

again, it is my prayer that all of these people get theirs, including kat. there is just no excuse for this type of evil. i feel so, so, so sorry for mj3.

[Edited 2/24/11 10:34am]

Thanks Kibbles, after reading your post I just had to find more info on Melissa J. so I Googled her and found these articles. Un-freakin-believable! I cant believe Katherine had those kids go on that interview wearing the t-shirts of a fraudelent charity! She's got them involved with Mann and his shady illegal business dealing. And all this time people have been thinking that Joe was the main bad guy in the family. Something needs to be done--enough is enough!

Both Joe & Katherine are bad guys but I think Katherine was more of the bad guy than Joe and that's not really saying much!

dag said:

SherryJackson said:

All in favour of building a pseudo-family to adopt the kids from Katherine and raise them proper please say "ay".

This makes me just sad...I wish I could do something myself.

Could you please explain this? I don't understnad this sentence. Who is going to adopt the kids and raise them... Sorry, English ain't my mother tongue...

Pretty much, we as fans form a small "family" or sorts, we adopt the kids, and we protect them and raise them ourselves. Apparently, Katherine can't do it...

It was a nice thought anyways...I love those kids and I'd raise them myself if I could.

dag said:

SherryJackson said:

All in favour of building a pseudo-family to adopt the kids from Katherine and raise them proper please say "ay".

This makes me just sad...I wish I could do something myself.

Could you please explain this? I don't understnad this sentence. Who is going to adopt the kids and raise them... Sorry, English ain't my mother tongue...

Well remember in Michael's will, he gave Diana Ross legal guardian custody in case Katherine passed away. So if Katherine dies, we know who will take care of them then. And Diana has already shown she could take care of five children since all five of them seem really well-adjusted, not to mention three of them graduating from college, four of them having successful careers in the entertainment business and one of them still attending college and another one that may be the next major star while growing up with a CHILDHOOD.

SherryJackson said:

dag said:

Could you please explain this? I don't understnad this sentence. Who is going to adopt the kids and raise them... Sorry, English ain't my mother tongue...

Pretty much, we as fans form a small "family" or sorts, we adopt the kids, and we protect them and raise them ourselves. Apparently, Katherine can't do it...

It was a nice thought anyways...I love those kids and I'd raise them myself if I could.

Thanks for explaining. I'd adopt them in a minute.

Timmy84 said:

dag said:

Could you please explain this? I don't understnad this sentence. Who is going to adopt the kids and raise them... Sorry, English ain't my mother tongue...

Well remember in Michael's will, he gave Diana Ross legal guardian custody in case Katherine passed away. So if Katherine dies, we know who will take care of them then. And Diana has already shown she could take care of five children since all five of them seem really well-adjusted, not to mention three of them graduating from college, four of them having successful careers in the entertainment business and one of them still attending college and another one that may be the next major star while growing up with a CHILDHOOD.

Yeah, they probably would be in better hands with her cause watching what's going on makes me worried.

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kibbles said:

MJJstudent said:

kibbles, i'm not a fan of what wietzman, branca and mc clain are doing (as i think they are illegally running the estate, as they never showed physical proof of branca running the estate as relevant as far as i know after his 2003 firing... why was the will not updated and signed by michael to fit the changing of the guard? there are people named in that will not in the camp any more)- i also find dileo's association with ATV/sony suspicious as to why he suddenly joined the fold again...and we could have debates on that one for decades.

but i have to say i concur with you ONE BILLION PERCENT on everything you said here.

raymone bain says that she once asked mj if his estate was in order, and he replied, 'yes'. she says when she tried to press him on it, he got annoyed and told her he had it taken care of and that it was what he wanted. as you probably know, bain was around after branca left. clearly, mj was satisfied with the state of affairs.

i haven't updated my will in years b/c i'm satisfied with what's in there. same thing w/mj; why would he need to update his will and trust when it was what he wanted? he gave his money to his kids, made a provision for his mother to be taken care of during her lifetime, and gave to charities. knowing what we know about mj, there is nothing particularly shocking about that.

branca, mcclain and another guy, an accountant, were named as executors. the accountant later asked to be removed and was, which was noted in the trust doc. so who is named in the will/trust that is not supposed to be? branca could not provide evidence of running the estate b/c mj was alive and was running his estate himself. branca is one of the best entertainment lawyers out there, cut his teeth on the elvis estate, and had known mj a long time. whatever their ups and downs - and no one is saying that there were none - mj apparently felt branca was still a good choice to administer his estate. mj was about business. it was he who asked branca to come back to his team in what turned out to be the last few weeks of his life, and branca was in the process of making deals for mj when murray killed him. i don't understand the 'illegal' comment.

same thing with dileo - he was asked to come back. i don't particularly like him either; he's always been kinda shady, but i guess he served his purpose.

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i had a feeling there would be a dis-agreement on this... i was not there, so i cannot say whether or not michael really wanted all those people there. i cannot say that michael entrusted branca or any of those people towards the end of his life. just because things are said in public does not mean the battles are not raging behind the scenes. we caqn look at the victory tour as a major example of that.

i do indeed recall ms. bain stating in an interview about asking michael if the estate was in order. the thing is, if he was not satisfied with the state of afairs, it is possible the estate could have been part of that. i don't think michael always followed up on paperwork- he's acknowledged this. he was notorious for not liking confrontation, so he let others handle his business. to me, this backfired on him tremendously. and to me, this refers to matters of how the estate is being handled. in my view he never properly dealt with it after branca was fired and so now we get what we get. it seems strange to me that he would fire the man, then have no backing will to change the folks in the will according to the situation.

if branca was to return all ORIGINAL copies back to michael when he was fired, how is it branca had access to the original copy in 2009? did branca ask him for it back in 2009? did michael just volunteer to give it back? it makes no sense to me. a lot of unanswered questions. i don't believe whatever has been handed to me, regarding the information. i don't see people asking these kinds of questions.

i personally do not think it was michael who hired any of those people back. i think the ATV catalog was a huge factor in a lot of what went on, with the O2 residency, etc. folks at sony had been eyeing it for years, and what better way of attaining it, than the man who helps seal the deal back in 1985?

i think sadly, michael signed his life away, because he owed a lot of money. he owed a major financial debt to sony, amongst other organizations, and ultimately had no choice but to do the residency. i think a lot of folks held this against him and used ATV as collateral, which they continue to do to this day. the sony/sony/ATV sites are testament to that.

siegel was the accountant which left. he was on the initial will. branca was relieved of his duties in 2003. where is the physical proof he was rehired? i heard nothing from michael. i heard from EVERYONE ELSE. it's very fishy to me. so i don't believe it was him who called branca back. it was too convenient. reading the timeline of events in many sources (from pro- and not so pro michael sources- i read EVERYTHING to get some objectivity), it looks VERY suspicious.

it's also been said there was ANOTHER will after 2003 created. i want to find out if THIS is true... and if peter lopez knew anything about that, prior to him being offed. i do NOT in any way think that was a case of suicide.

if you know of physical proof in which michael personally asked dileo and branca to return, can you send me that information? i would totally, sincerely appreciate it. thanks.

again, it's already been established in depositions that michael did not always read contracts handed to him. he's acknowledged this in interviews. this is why i don't think whatever was going on was all of michael's doing. i do think there was a motive involved to get rid of him. if i am wrong i will be stood corrected. but i have yet to see proof to counter this.

i think they used his weaknesses. the case of jimi hendrix' transition is uncannily similar to michael's. it's crazy. i think branca and dileo weaseled their way back in, and because michael was in a corner he could not get out of, had no choice but to give in. again, i don't think he willingly allowed these two back in. in my consciousness and heart i do not. there is something very wrong here.

so, it looks like a case of respectfully agreeing to dis-agree here. that's cool. i do a lot of it.

Timmy84 said:

I'm through with these fools including the family. My heart is going out to his children.

tim, EXACTLY. i still have a lot of questions no one is answering though. i'm not sure why. there's no true investigative journalism on this issue, regarding AEG and sony's involvement. this is what i'm into. regarding the family, yes! i am MORE than through. they've already shown their hands since the 1980s, at least.

Timmy84 said:

dag said:

Could you please explain this? I don't understnad this sentence. Who is going to adopt the kids and raise them... Sorry, English ain't my mother tongue...

Well remember in Michael's will, he gave Diana Ross legal guardian custody in case Katherine passed away. So if Katherine dies, we know who will take care of them then. And Diana has already shown she could take care of five children since all five of them seem really well-adjusted, not to mention three of them graduating from college, four of them having successful careers in the entertainment business and one of them still attending college and another one that may be the next major star while growing up with a CHILDHOOD.

an important thing to mention is that she put her children first... which may be why they are well-adjusted. it was a big deal that she didn't perform for some time, to take care of her children. i recall the interview she did in 1978 about that... she wasn't trying to push her kids. and michael was open in not trying to push his either. he honored their choices and decisions. it's the OTHER family members who seem to be pushing them out there, seemingly faster than they may have even considered being there.

Timmy84 said:

Well remember in Michael's will, he gave Diana Ross legal guardian custody in case Katherine passed away. So if Katherine dies, we know who will take care of them then. And Diana has already shown she could take care of five children since all five of them seem really well-adjusted, not to mention three of them graduating from college, four of them having successful careers in the entertainment business and one of them still attending college and another one that may be the next major star while growing up with a CHILDHOOD.

I'll be shocked if Diana Ross ends up with them. Didn't Latoya already say that Katherine and Diana came to some agreement? I just can't see The Jacksons letting these cash cows out of their sights.

mookie said:

Timmy84 said:

Well remember in Michael's will, he gave Diana Ross legal guardian custody in case Katherine passed away. So if Katherine dies, we know who will take care of them then. And Diana has already shown she could take care of five children since all five of them seem really well-adjusted, not to mention three of them graduating from college, four of them having successful careers in the entertainment business and one of them still attending college and another one that may be the next major star while growing up with a CHILDHOOD.

I'll be shocked if Diana Ross ends up with them. Didn't Latoya already say that Katherine and Diana came to some agreement? I just can't see The Jacksons letting these cash cows out of their sights.

TEARS...

mookie said:

Timmy84 said:

Well remember in Michael's will, he gave Diana Ross legal guardian custody in case Katherine passed away. So if Katherine dies, we know who will take care of them then. And Diana has already shown she could take care of five children since all five of them seem really well-adjusted, not to mention three of them graduating from college, four of them having successful careers in the entertainment business and one of them still attending college and another one that may be the next major star while growing up with a CHILDHOOD.

I'll be shocked if Diana Ross ends up with them. Didn't Latoya already say that Katherine and Diana came to some agreement? I just can't see The Jacksons letting these cash cows out of their sights.

Well, but if something happened to Katherine, who from the Jacksons would take care of them. Most of his other brothers are not even able to take care of their own children. I can't imagine La Toya doing that so only Rebbie or Janet come to my mind, but I don't know.

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Timmy84 said:

dag said:

Could you please explain this? I don't understnad this sentence. Who is going to adopt the kids and raise them... Sorry, English ain't my mother tongue...

Well remember in Michael's will, he gave Diana Ross legal guardian custody in case Katherine passed away. So if Katherine dies, we know who will take care of them then. And Diana has already shown she could take care of five children since all five of them seem really well-adjusted, not to mention three of them graduating from college, four of them having successful careers in the entertainment business and one of them still attending college and another one that may be the next major star while growing up with a CHILDHOOD.

Yeah I kinda chuckled when I heard that he left custody of the kids to Diana in case of his mama passing. I do agree with Diana making an excellent mother for the three...but she's getting on in life herself. Does she really have the energy to be raising 3 young children again? She's at the age where she should be expecting grandchildren, not being a mother again. But it is still possible...

It's times like this tho that I wish Michael had married again, to a young lady who might have the strength to raise the kids in case of his absence. But then again....that lady never did come into his life.