bboy87 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Man, I'm on the wrong computer, lol. I got that info on my other one, but what ?uest said does make since. Where Are You Now and Buttercup sound similar, sounds like the same type of keyboard.

Does Jermaine sing lead on the '74 version of Where Are You Now? So far, I think we only know 2 songs where Michael sang lead and 3 or 4 where Jermaine sang lead

I have no clue. This is the first tim I'm hearing Where Are You Know was for the Stevie/J5 sessions.

bboy87 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Man, I'm on the wrong computer, lol. I got that info on my other one, but what ?uest said does make since. Where Are You Now and Buttercup sound similar, sounds like the same type of keyboard.

Does Jermaine sing lead on the '74 version of Where Are You Now? So far, I think we only know 2 songs where Michael sang lead and 3 or 4 where Jermaine sang lead

Another track is called "No News is Good News." What he don't know is if the whole album would have been produced by WOnder.

I think the track Cinderella Stay A While has a similar feel to Buttercup and Where Are You Now and Also If I Can't Nobody Can.

Was the Stevie Wonder-produced J5 album even finished is what I wanna know, if so, maybe that's why Stevie hasn't released anything from the sessions with the exception of "Buttercup".

Timmy84 said:

Was the Stevie Wonder-produced J5 album even finished is what I wanna know, if so, maybe that's why Stevie hasn't released anything from the sessions with the exception of "Buttercup".

You know what I think happened (Of course, I don't know this for sure ) Stevie probably overlooked the whole project and possibly let the boys have some conrol over this, hence the few writing credits Michael, Jermaine and the boys have during 1973.

Motown probably seen it and said "hey, who gave y'all permisiion to do y'alls on music? Only Stevie, Smokey and Marvin have these privllages ..."

Soon afterwards, they went on there own again for the Vegas shows and left the label soon.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Was the Stevie Wonder-produced J5 album even finished is what I wanna know, if so, maybe that's why Stevie hasn't released anything from the sessions with the exception of "Buttercup".

You know what I think happened (Of course, I don't know this for sure ) Stevie probably overlooked the whole project and possibly let the boys have some conrol over this, hence the few writing credits Michael, Jermaine and the boys have during 1973.

Motown probably seen it and said "hey, who gave y'all permisiion to do y'alls on music? Only Stevie, Smokey and Marvin have these privllages ..."

Soon afterwards, they went on there own again for the Vegas shows and left the label soon.

You know what...

You may be absolutely right! Because I'm starting to believe Stevie didn't even finish it. Besides he was too busy on other people's projects, not to mention his own stuff. He probably encouraged them to write more so he wouldn't have to do it.

[Edited 12/29/10 19:20pm]

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

You know what I think happened (Of course, I don't know this for sure ) Stevie probably overlooked the whole project and possibly let the boys have some conrol over this, hence the few writing credits Michael, Jermaine and the boys have during 1973.

Motown probably seen it and said "hey, who gave y'all permisiion to do y'alls on music? Only Stevie, Smokey and Marvin have these privllages ..."

Soon afterwards, they went on there own again for the Vegas shows and left the label soon.

You know what...

You may be absolutely right! Because I'm starting to believe Stevie didn't even finish it. Besides he was too busy on other people's projects, not to mention his own stuff. He probably encouraged them to write more so he wouldn't have to do it.

[Edited 12/29/10 19:20pm]

Jermaine has a song registered from 74 called Learnin to live with loneliness co-wrtten with Pam Soyer. Along with a song he wrote with Mike Whats Your Life and Mike on his on What A Lonely Way Too Go

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

You know what...

You may be absolutely right! Because I'm starting to believe Stevie didn't even finish it. Besides he was too busy on other people's projects, not to mention his own stuff. He probably encouraged them to write more so he wouldn't have to do it.

[Edited 12/29/10 19:20pm]

Jermaine has a song registered from 74 called Learnin to live with loneliness co-wrtten with Pam Soyer. Along with a song he wrote with Mike Whats Your Life and Mike on his on What A Lonely Way Too Go

Not to mention they wrote some songs for that girl group too...

Timmy84 said:

Was the Stevie Wonder-produced J5 album even finished is what I wanna know, if so, maybe that's why Stevie hasn't released anything from the sessions with the exception of "Buttercup".

Either stevie just chose not to share any of the songs or the album was no where near

completed.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

Was the Stevie Wonder-produced J5 album even finished is what I wanna know, if so, maybe that's why Stevie hasn't released anything from the sessions with the exception of "Buttercup".

Either stevie just chose not to share any of the songs or the album was no where near

completed.

Yeah I'm going with the latter now.

Even if it was finish that doesn’t mean he would release it though.

babybugz said:

Even if it was finish that doesn’t mean he would release it though.

Stevie never finished a lot of stuff. He was one to start on something and then minutes later get another idea.

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Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Jermaine has a song registered from 74 called Learnin to live with loneliness co-wrtten with Pam Soyer. Along with a song he wrote with Mike Whats Your Life and Mike on his on What A Lonely Way Too Go

Not to mention they wrote some songs for that girl group too...

It's crazy that Motown refused to let them write and produce their own material because those MDLT songs show you what they were capable of at that age (Jackie was 22, Tito was 21, Jermaine was 19, Marlon was 15 and Michael was 14)

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bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Not to mention they wrote some songs for that girl group too...

It's crazy that Motown refused to let them write and produce their own material because those MDLT songs show you what they were capable of at that age (Jackie was 22, Tito was 21, Jermaine was 19, Marlon was 15 and Michael was 14)

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^ With Motown it was all about trying to keep up that image of it being an assembly line, have the writers give you the songs rather than going through it yourself. That's why Joe decided to take the boys somewhere else soon afterwards.

Timmy84 said:

^ With Motown it was all about trying to keep up that image of it being an assembly line, have the writers give you the songs rather than going through it yourself. That's why Joe decided to take the boys somewhere else soon afterwards.

They was better when they left I love the Jackson 5 but the Jacksons is where it’s at.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

^ With Motown it was all about trying to keep up that image of it being an assembly line, have the writers give you the songs rather than going through it yourself. That's why Joe decided to take the boys somewhere else soon afterwards.

They was better when they left I love the Jackson 5 but the Jacksons is where it’s at.

There's a big discussion on another forum about what would Triumph sound like if Jermaine had stayed. ?uestlove posted this fantasy tracklisting

Side A

Let's Get Serious
Where Are You Now
Lovely One
Your Ways
EveryBody

Side B
Heartbreak Hotel
You're Supposed To Keep Your Love For Me
Burning Hot
Give It Up
Feeling Free

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

^ With Motown it was all about trying to keep up that image of it being an assembly line, have the writers give you the songs rather than going through it yourself. That's why Joe decided to take the boys somewhere else soon afterwards.

They was better when they left I love the Jackson 5 but the Jacksons is where it’s at.

I agree. Every time I go back to their Motown period, I get sad for some reason. They were really treated like cogs in a machine.