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Reply #270 posted 12/15/10 11:43am

SherryJackson
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Reply #271 posted 12/15/10 11:46am

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Timmy84 said:

Jesus Christ...

comfort Awww Timmy...

Maybe this will cheer you up

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Reply #272 posted 12/15/10 11:49am

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errant, you've missed a million epic posts by me and others,

falloff "epic" - yeah, I bet.

save me the time. did anyone come up with some proof that Michael's not singing them or did anyone come up with any sort of explanation as to why Sony or the Estate would waste their time with fake vocals? a recap will suffice.

I meant epic in length and detail, not necessarily in quality (not my call to make although others have certainly indicated that they feel that way), so your judgmental mocking isn't needed here.

I have the answers you seek but if that's how you choose to respond, I'm not going to waste my time.

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Reply #273 posted 12/15/10 11:49am

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #274 posted 12/15/10 11:55am

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Reply #275 posted 12/15/10 11:58am

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #276 posted 12/15/10 11:58am

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Militant said:

errant said:

falloff "epic" - yeah, I bet.

save me the time. did anyone come up with some proof that Michael's not singing them or did anyone come up with any sort of explanation as to why Sony or the Estate would waste their time with fake vocals? a recap will suffice.

I meant epic in length and detail, not necessarily in quality (not my call to make although others have certainly indicated that they feel that way), so your judgmental mocking isn't needed here.

I have the answers you seek but if that's how you choose to respond, I'm not going to waste my time.

I will vouch for the epic-ness of quality and quantity of Militant's posts. cool biggrin He is pro...nod

*departs*

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Reply #277 posted 12/15/10 12:12pm

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #278 posted 12/15/10 12:19pm

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #279 posted 12/15/10 12:27pm

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #280 posted 12/15/10 12:31pm

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Precious, precious Michael.

Thank you, Dag

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Reply #281 posted 12/15/10 12:33pm

mookie

NEW JACKSON MAKES IT SONY IN DECEMBER

December 15, 2010

You know it’s that time of year when Michael Jackson rises again.

Epic’s MICHAEL, the late superstar’s second official posthumous release (after last year’s This Is It soundtrack), hit retail Tuesday, and first-week sales estimates are now between 225-250k for the album.

That would put the Moonwalker in a vigorous three-horse race with Sony stable mate Susan Boyle’s still-reigning The Gift and Big Machine frisky colt Taylor Swift’s Speak Now for #1 on next week’s HITS Top 50 sales chart.

Those totals are based on one-day sales reports from those hardy music retailers who haven’t abandoned their stores to set up Christmas tree lots.

The next three positions are all Team Stringer/Barnett acts, too, with Columbia’s Glee Cast Christmas and Jackie Evancho albums vying with Jive/JLG’s debuting R. Kelly, with estimates for the latter in the 150-160k range, which would beat most industry forecasts, as the veteran R&B superstar tends to do. That would give Sony five of the top six albums on next week’s chart.

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news08337m01

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Reply #282 posted 12/15/10 12:35pm

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Timmy84 said:

@errant, moving away from the topic, did you buy the album yet? lol

not "bought" it yet. it's on my Christmas list, since I always have a hard time coming up with things I will let other people buy for me, instead of just going to get them myself. but I've heard it. been listening off and on since last Tuesday lol

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Reply #283 posted 12/15/10 12:36pm

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Reply #284 posted 12/15/10 12:36pm

tangerine7

Can anyone make a version of (I Can't Make It) Another Day with the bass hittin' harder?

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Reply #285 posted 12/15/10 12:42pm

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Reply #286 posted 12/15/10 12:52pm

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Reply #287 posted 12/15/10 1:10pm

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Militant said:

The difference between "Hollywood Tonight" and the Cascio songs is that, even with all the digital processing and manipulation, Melodyne'd (which I use a lot and know exactly how it works and how it makes people sound) and auto-tuned vocals...... it still sounds like Michael.

And I want you guys to know something.... in every single recording session I've ever done, in studios all over the world, even on the most electronic of songs, I've never heard any chain or combination of vocal processing, editing, tempo changes, or anything, that makes one person's voice COMPLETELY unrecognizable from anything and everything else they've ever done. Sorry, believers, but in the real world this does not happen. So Teddy is trying to bullshit people who don't know any better. "Monster" was recorded within (at a push) 15BPM of what you're hearing. AT MOST. And he thinks people don't know the effect speeding up vocals has? I speed up vocals all the time if I'm working on dancier, edgier remixes of songs for people or sampling old recordings to make hip-hop stuff. It sounds exactly like what you'd expect - the same person singing faster. Not a different person completely, which is what the lead vocals on the Cascio songs sound like. I could speed up any MJ song right now and change the melody with Melodyne and you'd still be able to obviously tell that's it Michael Jackson singing. The same way "2000 Watts" was obviously Michael Jackson to me the first time I heard it, and doesn't need questioning.

Anyway. My CD and T-Shirt just showed up. Little unimpressed with the design and structure of the booklet. The plain blue of the CD, the inlay and the back of the booklet is just a little dull. Michael's albums always had more nuance than this, there was always a layer of depth there that just isn't present in this design, anywhere. And it's not just becaue Michael ain't here to do it himself, it's also that there's no creativity coming from anywhere. Something feels rushed. It doesn't seem like this was a labor of love by anyone. There's so much they could have done. What's with all the blank space? You couldn't put any quotes there by Michael? You couldn't have ran a competition for a fan to have some input or to have a dedication to Michael there by someone that loved him? You couldn't, have, at the very least, have ONE actual PHOTOGRAPH of Michael on there? Not even a single quote by anyone that worked on the album about what Michael meant to them? Hell I'd take a quote from 50 Cent about what Michael meant to him even though the song he's on ain't even Michael singing. I'd take a quote from Orianthi. Even Teddy. Akon. Lenny. Neff-U. ANYTHING! Really, how hard is this? Are they making any effort at all?

You know, there's always going to be disagreements about who should be running the Estate, who should be involved, and whatnot. But, to me, I feel like if Katherine and some other family members had a bit more involvement, this whole thing would feel like it was done with love. Not just a cash-grab for some lawyers and music producers.

Tupac's Estate is controlled by his mother, Afeni Shakur. And, while there's certainly been some low points, (a few shady lawyers and bad ideas like getting Eminem to produce a whole album come to mind), overall, every project did feel like it was done with love and respect and the intent of keeping Tupac's legacy alive. Since he died, we've had at least 10 discs of posthumous material. And with some exceptions like the Eminem-produced album I mentioned, most of it has been of a VERY high quality. The remixes are done tastefully. Some are kept more or less in their original forum with a few minor changes. And even in the case of the one Em did, every album had booklets and artwork and designs where you could literally feel the love and respect that everyone involved had for the artist. I'm deadly serious. I'm sure some of you own some Tupac albums and can look for yourselves. Endless tributes, letters from his mother to the fans, great unreleased photos, photo montages of 'Pac with artists and producers involved, detailed timelines of his albums, the whole works.

10 albums. Another one coming within the next year if all goes to plan. Tupac's professional career in his lifetime, from the release date of his debut solo album "2Pacalypse Now" to his death in 1996, was less than 5 years.

Michael may not have been a studio addict like 'Pac. But we're talking about a man whose professional career lasted 40 years. And was the most famous man of all time. One of the most photographed people in history. A man loved by countless millions of people. And yet this whole project feels cold. Something about the whole thing feels emotionless. I'm looking at this packaging, thinking about how in the fuck the Estate and Sony have managed to fuck this whole thing up to where they've upset and disappointed so many people...... and I'm thinking to myself....... WHERE IS THE MOTHERFUCKING LOVE? Watch the "Hold My Hand" video. Michael is BARELY in it. You know what's completely crazy? The Estate could have fans input for free. They don't even gotta ask, turn on a damn computer, get online and read some motherfucking forums rather than sending people copyright takedown links and hiring web sheriff. I'm pretty sure that every single person here could have thought of one better idea for the album booklet/inlay than "Let's just leave a whole bunch of blank space and have one random ass painting and some scans of a few notes and that'll do."

This whole situation has broken my heart.

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Concerning Tupac I heard the eminem produce posthumous album was one of the better ones actually even though I’m a big tupac fan I don’t own his posthumous albums anyway back to Michael. I feel like everything involving Michael as been rushed like no one cares enough to do a proper tribute to him. No one gives a fuck really that's how I see it. The bandwagon fans jumped right back off and this album will be forgotten in a month.

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Reply #288 posted 12/15/10 1:16pm

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Unholyalliance said:

babybugz said:

Keep in mind that was Michael’s project he was here to oversee it he’s not now so that’s why it’s crap lol.

You are right, it's not Michael's fault, but it's not Sony's either. It's really the artist who is the blame here. While I do believe that Michael had really great taste for art, those suits at Sony don't. They just like whatever looks pretty. I expect that out of clients, not the artist. As an artist, he should know that and he should know better.

Just to feel better I will post this fabulous piece of art for all to see again:

[img:$uid]http://i53.tinypic.com/1zf0kex.jpg[/img:$uid]

Look at that balance in the composition. The symbolism and how everything interacts with each other. There is gold and yellow incorporated everywhere instead of just being in that huge ass centerpiece. The exquisite detail in the figures and in that Metropolis like world that is contained inside of that golden gate. Also, the composition fits the album cover so nicely. No gold statue cropped out oddly so all you have is this stupid gold shoulder sticking out and looking completely of place, because of poor planning from the artist in terms of cd cover proportions & measurements. Look at how mysterious, yet inviting MJ's eyes are. They suck you in as they read into your soul. The bright, warm blue on the outside and the cold and dark blue on the inside of that other world. They tell you to look at me, all that is deceivingly beautiful & strange on the outside, but yet come into the dark, cold, and lonely world that awaits you inside.

Ahhh....I feel better now.

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I have the Dangerous album cover as a T- Shirt.

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Reply #289 posted 12/15/10 1:20pm

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Plastic Surgery and skin bleaching. Shouldn't have tried to look like Prince, MJ. Messed yourself up big time.

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Reply #290 posted 12/15/10 1:24pm

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shygirl said:

Plastic Surgery and skin bleaching. Shouldn't have tried to look like Prince, MJ. Messed yourself up big time.

rolleyes

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #291 posted 12/15/10 1:45pm

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shygirl said:

Plastic Surgery and skin bleaching. Shouldn't have tried to look like Prince, MJ. Messed yourself up big time.

It always astounds me when people think they are actually saying something that will make look Michael look bad, but the reality is, all it does is make Prince fans look like dicks. Shutup Shygirl.

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Reply #292 posted 12/15/10 2:04pm

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shygirl said:

Plastic Surgery and skin bleaching. Shouldn't have tried to look like Prince, MJ. Messed yourself up big time.

What sucks is that for the past year or so, some of us have been posting real resourceful information and having interesting discussions about the man and his work and barely anyone came in the threads to throw shade...until now neutral

shygirl, you're not a MJ fan and you're not offering anything to the discussions or thread, so why come in here?

plus, the man had a LEGIT skin condition, if you choose to ignore that, that's your problem

and what about the man's look makes someone think he tried to look like Prince? With the rare occasion where they wore similar outfits, they looked nothing alike, so why say some shit like that? It makes no sense

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Reply #293 posted 12/15/10 2:06pm

Timmy84

Some people are just too damn proud to be ignorant. rolleyes

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Reply #294 posted 12/15/10 2:13pm

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Timmy84 said:

Some people are just too damn proud to be ignorant. rolleyes

Maybe I should've stayed on hiatus from this place lol

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Reply #295 posted 12/15/10 2:14pm

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Fell for it guys.

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Reply #296 posted 12/15/10 2:26pm

Timmy84

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Timmy84 said:

Some people are just too damn proud to be ignorant. rolleyes

Maybe I should've stayed on hiatus from this place lol

No I got a better idea, avoid this thread. Let them have it. bored2 lol

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Reply #297 posted 12/15/10 2:30pm

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babybugz said:

Fell for it guys.

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Reply #298 posted 12/15/10 2:35pm

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bboy87 said:

shygirl said:

Plastic Surgery and skin bleaching. Shouldn't have tried to look like Prince, MJ. Messed yourself up big time.

What sucks is that for the past year or so, some of us have been posting real resourceful and having interesting discussions about the man and his work and barely anyone came in the threads to throw shade...until now neutral

shygirl, you're not a MJ fan and you're not offering anything to the discussions or thread, so why come in here?

plus, the man had a LEGIT skin condition, if you choose to ignore that, that's your problem

and what about the man's look makes someone think he tried to look like Prince? With the rare occasion where they wore similar outfits, they looked nothing alike, so why say some shit like that? It makes no sense

Go on ahead and SLAY her to the gods. bored2 nod clapping

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Reply #299 posted 12/15/10 2:35pm

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Fell for it guys.

Yeah like a zombie. We need to stop feeding into this bullshit.

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