God, I can't stand Eminem at the best of times, but I do find him particularly grating when he takes up his victim stance. He's made a fortune through putting out twaddle with little substance, that's just a mulch of low-grade humour and controversy-courting, designed to appeal to the suburban teenagers and frat boys that are now the main market for hip hop, yet he still likes to maintain this notion that he's some poor, misunderstood soul, because people focus on the controversy at the expense of the true, underlying 'point'.
To me, though, there is no real point, 'message', or 'statement', to what he says; or, if there is, it's an artistic statement on the level of swearing in front of an elderly relative or sticking your bare arse out a moving car window. Like the Wizard of Oz, what's behind the screen - in his case, a veil of controversy and hype - isn't really much to write home about. He showed a lot of potential early on, but he happily squandered it to capture the mass market. Along with others, to me, he's one of the iconic figures of hip hop's descent from an artistic and cultural movement of real vibrancy and potency to the turgid, stale, utterly conventional and non-threatening genre it appears as in the mainstream today. Tosser.
I liked the Slim Shady LP. I heard he was even better on his '96 debut, what was it called, Infinite. I think starting with Marshall Mathers, that's when Eminem sold out to pop. The same shit he was "beefing" with.
Yeah, I'm probably being slightly too harsh. I think he's definitely got a talent for wordplay, and even on something like Stan you see his ability to craft a narrative, which is impressive. I just think that he chose to forego developing that side of his craft, and decided to go along with churning out frat boy crap and controversy-courting, where he'd found his niche in the market. (I mean, at the point you can release Just Lose It as the lead single/video of an album, you have nothing left to say as an artist!) I just get irked when he pulls the 'poor me' crap, as he definitely made his own bed.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
No, not at all. I'm not talking about an answer record or any type of record whatsover. I'm saying that instead of those people using their television exposure picketing and begging and pleading with people not to buy his music and talking about how they want acceptance, they should have been using that television exposure telling him in droves that if you keep on talking your shit about us, we're going to gang up on your ass in numbers and beat the fuck out of you.
All that begging and pleading makes us look like the weak fools while he sits up and laughs. Turn the tables on his ass and put some fear in his ass. That way we're the ones sitting up laughing while his little ass goes off somewhere and cries.
So what you are SAYING is that we should have put out an Antoine Dodson out there on 'em? That would have caught alot of attention! "We gon find you!"
Definately not. Don't put no flaming queen out there talking shit. That would definately be a laughing stock to him and everyone else. If it were to be one person, it would need to be someone extremely masculine who looks like he can beat some ass. It doesn't need to be one person though because one person, no matter who they are, is not a threat to anyone. That's what police and bodyguards are for. It needs to be a mob of gay people threatening to beat his ass. In other words, the same droves of people who were begging and pleading with people to not buy his music instead needed to be mad, pissed off, and threatening his ass with bodily harm. There is strength in numbers and if you get an angry mob of people mad at you threatening to whoop your ass, regardless if the mob is gay or not, even the Incredible Hulk would take off running for his life.
I liked the Slim Shady LP. I heard he was even better on his '96 debut, what was it called, Infinite. I think starting with Marshall Mathers, that's when Eminem sold out to pop. The same shit he was "beefing" with.
Yeah, I'm probably being slightly too harsh. I think he's definitely got a talent for wordplay, and even on something like Stan you see his ability to craft a narrative, which is impressive. I just think that he chose to forego developing that side of his craft, and decided to go along with churning out frat boy crap and controversy-courting, where he'd found his niche in the market. (I mean, at the point you can release Just Lose It as the lead single/video of an album, you have nothing left to say as an artist!) I just get irked when he pulls the 'poor me' crap, as he definitely made his own bed.
His problem to me is he is self obsessed. All he seems to be able to say is "I'm crazy" "I'm persecuted" "I'm just trying to raise my daughter" "people are obsessed with me" and, back then "kim is a bitch"
That's why he seems to gravitate toward stupid shit, because he doesn't have any other subject matter.
To me, though, there is no real point, 'message', or 'statement', to what he says; or, if there is, it's an artistic statement on the level of swearing in front of an elderly relative or sticking your bare arse out a moving car window.
Based on some of the stuff that he says in his songs yes I agree to a point...which his comedic songs, are comedic yes. However when you cast out the serious songs that he does and say that he has no point in what he says only shows that you are not listening to his albums...do you even own any of them?
Like the Wizard of Oz, what's behind the screen - in his case, a veil of controversy and hype - isn't really much to write home about. He showed a lot of potential early on, but he happily squandered it to capture the mass market. Along with others, to me, he's one of the iconic figures of hip hop's descent from an artistic and cultural movement of real vibrancy and potency to the turgid, stale, utterly conventional and non-threatening genre it appears as in the mainstream today. Tosser.
However as you can see he is DOING SOMETHING right..his last two albums have sold greatly in a dying genere on the radio...people still want to actually purchase his music and not download it...that speaks for it self..these people want the messages..not pop or fluff as you say he has been putting out
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^ Well I think it's partially due to who's on his albums rather than it just being him... or he has a pop sound to his music now. I think my cousin had "I'm Not Afraid" as his ringtone whenever I called him lol
To me (and maybe to a WHOLE LOT others), Eminem just screams "attention whore". Especially with his taunts against non-threatening pop stars. Sure rappers have diss non-threatening acts but they were all rappers. He's the only one that has nerve to go after someone like, say, Britney or Christina or Mariah. It seems that he was personally offended that they didn't accept his advances so he attacked them. Same with 'N Sync just because one of them called him out on, I believe, him talking about he was gonna kill his mama or ex-wife (has he retired from those subjects yet? I believe he has but I'm not sure). I do think he has some skills but it seems like he uses his pent-up anger at the wrong people. Like really?
He didnt really start talking about pop idols in that era until MTV and magazines started putting him on next to them...making him sit right next to people I'm guesing he were not fans of....Teen mags putting his face all over right next to Nsync and stuff...I guess they got the message and stopped when the second album came out. I thought it was funny, however I can see how some people thought it was childish.
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To me (and maybe to a WHOLE LOT others), Eminem just screams "attention whore". Especially with his taunts against non-threatening pop stars. Sure rappers have diss non-threatening acts but they were all rappers. He's the only one that has nerve to go after someone like, say, Britney or Christina or Mariah. It seems that he was personally offended that they didn't accept his advances so he attacked them. Same with 'N Sync just because one of them called him out on, I believe, him talking about he was gonna kill his mama or ex-wife (has he retired from those subjects yet? I believe he has but I'm not sure). I do think he has some skills but it seems like he uses his pent-up anger at the wrong people. Like really?
He didnt really start talking about pop idols in that era until MTV and magazines started putting him on next to them...making him sit right next to people I'm guesing he were not fans of....Teen mags putting his face all over right next to Nsync and stuff...I guess they got the message and stopped when the second album came out. I thought it was funny, however I can see how some people thought it was childish.
It was. If he didn't want the pop stardom, he should've said "no thanks I'm fine where I'm at, I don't wanna be in the same room with them." I mean if he was that sincere, he'd avoid them and hang out with his friends but he was chasing pop stardom too. So his actions were rendered childish because he wanted to be around there. When he didn't want to anymore, that's when he hid in his home afraid to come out.
To me (and maybe to a WHOLE LOT others), Eminem just screams "attention whore". Especially with his taunts against non-threatening pop stars. Sure rappers have diss non-threatening acts but they were all rappers. He's the only one that has nerve to go after someone like, say, Britney or Christina or Mariah. It seems that he was personally offended that they didn't accept his advances so he attacked them. Same with 'N Sync just because one of them called him out on, I believe, him talking about he was gonna kill his mama or ex-wife (has he retired from those subjects yet? I believe he has but I'm not sure). I do think he has some skills but it seems like he uses his pent-up anger at the wrong people. Like really?
yes, As talented as he is, it all adds up to not much. Talking loud and not saying much, but saying it very cleverly.
He seems scared to take on other rappers by name (not that I endorse that kind of stupidity either), but NSynch & Moby? They are not exactly tough guys.
have you ever heard that Everlast Diss? That Limp Bizkit diss? That Benzino diss?? Rappers KNOW BETTER than to try and battle Eminem, he killed Jay Z on "Renegade" already and crushed everyone on Drake's "Forever", they just know better not to mess with dude...especially after how bad he crushed Benzino...killed his whole 'career' as much as LL did to Canibus.
Eminem has also talked on this subject on Recovery:
Went away I guess to open up some lanes But there was no one who even knew what I was going through Hatred was flowing through my veins On the verge of going insane I almost made a song dissin Lil Wayne It's like I was jealous of him cause the attention he was gettin' I felt horrible about myself He was spittin and I wasn't Anyone who was buzzin back then coulda got it Almost went at Kanye too God it feels like I'm goin' psychotic Thank god that I didn't do it I would of had my ass handed to me And I knew it but proof wasn't here to see me through it I'm in the booth poppin another pill tryna talk myself into it Are you stupid? You gon' start dissin people for no reason? Especially when you can't even write a decent punchline even You're lying to yourself, you're slowly dying, you're denying Your health is declinging with your self esteem, you're crying out for help
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He didnt really start talking about pop idols in that era until MTV and magazines started putting him on next to them...making him sit right next to people I'm guesing he were not fans of....Teen mags putting his face all over right next to Nsync and stuff...I guess they got the message and stopped when the second album came out. I thought it was funny, however I can see how some people thought it was childish.
It was. If he didn't want the pop stardom, he should've said "no thanks I'm fine where I'm at, I don't wanna be in the same room with them." I mean if he was that sincere, he'd avoid them and hang out with his friends but he was chasing pop stardom too. So his actions were rendered childish because he wanted to be around there. When he didn't want to anymore, that's when he hid in his home afraid to come out.
Yup..thus came the drug use and so on...however he did take alot of time off to raise his daughters. I was glad he came back out of the light, thus it has seemed as if his albums are theraputic and gets his frustrations out. More artists should take not and be lot more personal...it shows growth and artistry..that's whay he is still important figure to rap music. His honesty works for him.
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yes, As talented as he is, it all adds up to not much. Talking loud and not saying much, but saying it very cleverly.
He seems scared to take on other rappers by name (not that I endorse that kind of stupidity either), but NSynch & Moby? They are not exactly tough guys.
have you ever heard that Everlast Diss? That Limp Bizkit diss? That Benzino diss?? Rappers KNOW BETTER than to try and battle Eminem, he killed Jay Z on "Renegade" already and crushed everyone on Drake's "Forever", they just know better not to mess with dude...especially after how bad he crushed Benzino...killed his whole 'career' as much as LL did to Canibus.
I am not saying he's afraid of going head to head with rappers, but he didn't diss Jay Z on renegade, he shared a song with him. Nas dissed Jay Z by name saying exactly what you did "Eminem killed you on your own track..." and compared him to a camel
And Everlast, Fred Durst, those guys are not really rappers. Everlast was a pop singer by that point.
So apparently because the stupid idiot thinks that blacks can get away with homophobic remarks and whites can't, he must feel cheated that he can't get away with making them. This means he wants to make homophobic remarks which makes him bottom of the barrel absolute gutter trash. Somebody really needs to stuff his mouth with a dick so big that he can't talk his stupid shit.
Relax VA. Eminem, 50 Cent & Dr. Dre are still boyfriends!
have you ever heard that Everlast Diss? That Limp Bizkit diss? That Benzino diss?? Rappers KNOW BETTER than to try and battle Eminem, he killed Jay Z on "Renegade" already and crushed everyone on Drake's "Forever", they just know better not to mess with dude...especially after how bad he crushed Benzino...killed his whole 'career' as much as LL did to Canibus.
I am not saying he's afraid of going head to head with rappers, but he didn't diss Jay Z on renegade, he shared a song with him. Nas dissed Jay Z by name saying exactly what you did "Eminem killed you on your own track..." and compared him to a camel
And Everlast, Fred Durst, those guys are not really rappers. Everlast was a pop singer by that point.
Nas: "Eminem murdered you on your own shit..."
Everlast actually did have rap credentials when he was with House of Pain in case anyone forgot.
Everlast was the only decent one out of them. Benzino is crap as a rapper man. Limp Bizkit shouldn't be taken seriously.
Crap rapper or not Benzino tried to come after Em with some old cassette tape he had made in the early 90's. Em killed him severly on "Nail In The Coffin". Fred Durst tried to come for him too...that was going to be an easily lost battle.
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Everlast was the only decent one out of them. Benzino is crap as a rapper man. Limp Bizkit shouldn't be taken seriously.
Crap rapper or not Benzino tried to come after Em with some old cassette tape he had made in the early 90's. Em killed him severly on "Nail In The Coffin". Fred Durst tried to come for him too...that was going to be an easily lost battle.
Well Benzino was easy to crack anyways. Same with Nick Cannon. Benzino and Fred have always been crap.
I am not saying he's afraid of going head to head with rappers, but he didn't diss Jay Z on renegade, he shared a song with him. Nas dissed Jay Z by name saying exactly what you did "Eminem killed you on your own track..." and compared him to a camel
And Everlast, Fred Durst, those guys are not really rappers. Everlast was a pop singer by that point.
Nas: "Eminem murdered you on your own shit..."
Everlast actually did have rap credentials when he was with House of Pain in case anyone forgot.
ah, okay it's been a few years
I know Everlast was a rapper, and he tried to fire back at Eminem & lost, but at the time Eminem started with him he was not acting like a tough rapper anymore. I have not really seen Eminem go at another hot headed young rapper
Everlast actually did have rap credentials when he was with House of Pain in case anyone forgot.
ah, okay it's been a few years
I know Everlast was a rapper, and he tried to fire back at Eminem & lost, but at the time Eminem started with him he was not acting like a tough rapper anymore. I have not really seen Eminem go at another hot headed young rapper
Yeah the period Eminem attacked him was when Everlast came out with "What It's Like". I bet if they battled again this time Eminem wouldn't have a comeback...or maybe he would and it would turn out to be a great rap battle. Everlast is back with House of Pain members DJ Lethal and Danny Boy and with two other guys they're now La Coka Nostra. Very underground now.
have you ever heard that Everlast Diss? That Limp Bizkit diss? That Benzino diss?? Rappers KNOW BETTER than to try and battle Eminem, he killed Jay Z on "Renegade" already and crushed everyone on Drake's "Forever", they just know better not to mess with dude...especially after how bad he crushed Benzino...killed his whole 'career' as much as LL did to Canibus.
I am not saying he's afraid of going head to head with rappers, but he didn't diss Jay Z on renegade, he shared a song with him. Nas dissed Jay Z by name saying exactly what you did "Eminem killed you on your own track..." and compared him to a camel
And Everlast, Fred Durst, those guys are not really rappers. Everlast was a pop singer by that point.
It was not a diss, but anytime Em gets on the mic you know that he is going to go hard and sound better than the main artist on the track.
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Based on some of the stuff that he says in his songs yes I agree to a point...which his comedic songs, are comedic yes. However when you cast out the serious songs that he does and say that he has no point in what he says only shows that you are not listening to his albums...do you even own any of them?
Marshall, is that you?? I'm not professing to have any more than a casual interest in him or his records, but what I've heard hasn't impressed me, and thus far I've decided against investing in his entire back catalogue just to make sure there's not a gem I'm missing out on!
I've heard some of his 'serious' songs, though. Often seems to be overblown (and overproduced!), self-indulgent twaddle about how hard done by he is, which leaves me cold. Post anything you reckon is worth hearing, though. Like I said above, I'm happy to admit he's got a talent which he might have made more of had he not gone the mass-market route.
However as you can see he is DOING SOMETHING right..his last two albums have sold greatly in a dying genere on the radio...people still want to actually purchase his music and not download it...that speaks for it self..these people want the messages..not pop or fluff as you say he has been putting out
He's "doing something right" to sell records, certainly. Whether that equates to doing something worth a damn artistically is a contentious and oft-debated issue (especially round these parts!). I still think he's as dull as many of the other plastic pop stars shifting units.
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"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Everlast actually did have rap credentials when he was with House of Pain in case anyone forgot.
ah, okay it's been a few years
I know Everlast was a rapper, and he tried to fire back at Eminem & lost, but at the time Eminem started with him he was not acting like a tough rapper anymore. I have not really seen Eminem go at another hot headed young rapper
They too scared...they respect Em too much to do that...
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Based on some of the stuff that he says in his songs yes I agree to a point...which his comedic songs, are comedic yes. However when you cast out the serious songs that he does and say that he has no point in what he says only shows that you are not listening to his albums...do you even own any of them?
Marshall, is that you?? I'm not professing to have any more than a casual interest in him or his records, but what I've heard hasn't impressed me, and thus far I've decided against investing in his entire back catalogue just to make sure there's not a gem I'm missing out on!
I've heard some of his 'serious' songs, though. Often seems to be overblown (and overproduced!), self-indulgent twaddle about how hard done by he is, which leaves me cold. Post anything you reckon is worth hearing, though. Like I said above, I'm happy to admit he's got a talent which he might have made more of had he not gone the mass-market route.
He's "doing something right" to sell records, certainly. Whether that equates to doing something worth a damn artistically is a contentious and oft-debated issue (especially round these parts!). I still think he's as dull as many of the other plastic pop stars shifting units.
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Thats a general opinion; you just fail to understand and that is not your fault. Some people just dont like the way he raps, his voice or just dont like the way he looks...I dont know what makes people not like him but really when it comes down to it there is no middle ground for Eminem, you like him or you don't. And if you believe just because they keep playing "Love The Way You Lie" and "Not Afraid" over and over on the radio means that he is pop fluff you really don't grab the rest of his music altogether.
This man has enough freestyles and unreleased material to fill three albums or more, that is not someone who is just out there for the money, Eminem does it because he LOVES what he does...unlike alot of pop artists and fluff rappers.
Good 'serious' songs by Em? Mosh..that was a single and it was definitley a serious track about George Bush...probably my favorite is "If I Had..."
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Definately not. Don't put no flaming queen out there talking shit. That would definately be a laughing stock to him and everyone else. If it were to be one person, it would need to be someone extremely masculine who looks like he can beat some ass. It doesn't need to be one person though because one person, no matter who they are, is not a threat to anyone. That's what police and bodyguards are for. It needs to be a mob of gay people threatening to beat his ass. In other words, the same droves of people who were begging and pleading with people to not buy his music instead needed to be mad, pissed off, and threatening his ass with bodily harm. There is strength in numbers and if you get an angry mob of people mad at you threatening to whoop your ass, regardless if the mob is gay or not, even the Incredible Hulk would take off running for his life.
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And you know gay people on tv not going to 'show anger' because we are being looked at under a microscope....not only would they be saying we are out of control but then they will say we ghetto too.
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yes, As talented as he is, it all adds up to not much. Talking loud and not saying much, but saying it very cleverly.
He seems scared to take on other rappers by name (not that I endorse that kind of stupidity either), but NSynch & Moby? They are not exactly tough guys.
have you ever heard that Everlast Diss? That Limp Bizkit diss? That Benzino diss?? Rappers KNOW BETTER than to try and battle Eminem, he killed Jay Z on "Renegade" already and crushed everyone on Drake's "Forever", they just know better not to mess with dude...especially after how bad he crushed Benzino...killed his whole 'career' as much as LL did to Canibus.
Eminem has also talked on this subject on Recovery:
Went away I guess to open up some lanes But there was no one who even knew what I was going through Hatred was flowing through my veins On the verge of going insane I almost made a song dissin Lil Wayne It's like I was jealous of him cause the attention he was gettin' I felt horrible about myself He was spittin and I wasn't Anyone who was buzzin back then coulda got it Almost went at Kanye too God it feels like I'm goin' psychotic Thank god that I didn't do it I would of had my ass handed to me And I knew it but proof wasn't here to see me through it I'm in the booth poppin another pill tryna talk myself into it Are you stupid? You gon' start dissin people for no reason? Especially when you can't even write a decent punchline even You're lying to yourself, you're slowly dying, you're denying Your health is declinging with your self esteem, you're crying out for help
Em knows better than to go after Weezy or Kaney outright. Either of those dudes could bury him. This is an acceptance/friend shot out. Clever and I dig it.
So apparently because the stupid idiot thinks that blacks can get away with homophobic remarks and whites can't, he must feel cheated that he can't get away with making them. This means he wants to make homophobic remarks which makes him bottom of the barrel absolute gutter trash. Somebody really needs to stuff his mouth with a dick so big that he can't talk his stupid shit.
Relax VA. Eminem, 50 Cent & Dr. Dre are still boyfriends!
have you ever heard that Everlast Diss? That Limp Bizkit diss? That Benzino diss?? Rappers KNOW BETTER than to try and battle Eminem, he killed Jay Z on "Renegade" already and crushed everyone on Drake's "Forever", they just know better not to mess with dude...especially after how bad he crushed Benzino...killed his whole 'career' as much as LL did to Canibus.
Eminem has also talked on this subject on Recovery:
Went away I guess to open up some lanes But there was no one who even knew what I was going through Hatred was flowing through my veins On the verge of going insane I almost made a song dissin Lil Wayne It's like I was jealous of him cause the attention he was gettin' I felt horrible about myself He was spittin and I wasn't Anyone who was buzzin back then coulda got it Almost went at Kanye too God it feels like I'm goin' psychotic Thank god that I didn't do it I would of had my ass handed to me And I knew it but proof wasn't here to see me through it I'm in the booth poppin another pill tryna talk myself into it Are you stupid? You gon' start dissin people for no reason? Especially when you can't even write a decent punchline even You're lying to yourself, you're slowly dying, you're denying Your health is declinging with your self esteem, you're crying out for help
Em knows better than to go after Weezy or Kaney outright. Either of those dudes could bury him. This is an acceptance/friend shot out. Clever and I dig it.
Eminem always said he never dissed "real rappers". I think it was all about respect with them. That's why he never really had a good battle rap because those he ended up dissing who WERE rappers didn't have good comebacks.
I’m a fan but em has been as pop as Nsync and Britney not the actual style but the jokey first singles he would come out with. He did both really, he’s always been mainstream. He just started recently working with pop act’s for example Rihanna. I like that song though
if he was black he would have hardly got any attention, his 'greatness' is mostly based on him being white in a black dominated field. anyway which black rappers is he refering to when it comes to gay bashing,most black rappers are too busy bashing black women to worry about the gays. ps...this dude is in a serious battle with his sexuality.
if he was black he would have hardly got any attention, his 'greatness' is mostly based on him being white in a black dominated field. anyway which black rappers is he refering to when it comes to gay bashing,most black rappers are too busy bashing black women to worry about the gays. ps...this dude is in a serious battle with his sexuality.
have you ever heard that Everlast Diss? That Limp Bizkit diss? That Benzino diss?? Rappers KNOW BETTER than to try and battle Eminem, he killed Jay Z on "Renegade" already and crushed everyone on Drake's "Forever", they just know better not to mess with dude...especially after how bad he crushed Benzino...killed his whole 'career' as much as LL did to Canibus.
Eminem has also talked on this subject on Recovery:
Went away I guess to open up some lanes But there was no one who even knew what I was going through Hatred was flowing through my veins On the verge of going insane I almost made a song dissin Lil Wayne It's like I was jealous of him cause the attention he was gettin' I felt horrible about myself He was spittin and I wasn't Anyone who was buzzin back then coulda got it Almost went at Kanye too God it feels like I'm goin' psychotic Thank god that I didn't do it I would of had my ass handed to me And I knew it but proof wasn't here to see me through it I'm in the booth poppin another pill tryna talk myself into it Are you stupid? You gon' start dissin people for no reason? Especially when you can't even write a decent punchline even You're lying to yourself, you're slowly dying, you're denying Your health is declinging with your self esteem, you're crying out for help
Em knows better than to go after Weezy or Kaney outright. Either of those dudes could bury him. This is an acceptance/friend shot out. Clever and I dig it.
Actually, I don't believe either one of them could beat Eminem. Absolutely not. Em is way too clever with words (plus he is a live battle champion). I mean, he's already annihilated Wayne's pathetic style of rapping in their collaboration "No Love," lol. And Kanye, in my opinion, is not as lyrically adept speed wise (or even conceptually) to even deal with a challenge.
The only current popular rapper I think could stomp Eminem in a battle is Lupe Fiasco, who is not only clever, but is extremely intelligent, which would be his advantage.
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I think he's definitely got a talent for wordplay, and even on something like Stan you see his ability to craft a narrative, which is impressive. I just think that he chose to forego developing that side of his craft, and decided to go along with churning out frat boy crap and controversy-courting, where he'd found his niche in the market. (I mean, at the point you can release Just Lose It as the lead single/video of an album, you have nothing left to say as an artist!) I just get irked when he pulls the 'poor me' crap, as he definitely made his own bed.
I'm not professing to have any more than a casual interest in him or his records, but what I've heard hasn't impressed me, and thus far I've decided against investing in his entire back catalogue just to make sure there's not a gem I'm missing out on! 
TVD you aint right. 
