NONSENSE said:

Of course he would. If Eminem was black he'd be slinging burgers.

THANK YOU!

His constant downplaying of his white privilege can be put to rest, but since we're living in a so-called "post racial times", he can def find some use in his downplaying.

And Deebee, you're not harsh or unfair, not by the slightest chance.

I'll keep it short, something I'm not generally very good at. Regardless of what anyone may feel about Marshall Mathers "talent", or lack thereof, the guy had a power and opportunity in his hands that very few people will ever touch and he did absolutely nothing with it. That's what will forever seperate him from someone like Tupac.

Dumb cunt makes dumb music for dumb audience. Sells millions. Dumb world we live in.

DesireeNevermind said:

paisleypark4 said:

have you ever heard that Everlast Diss? That Limp Bizkit diss? That Benzino diss?? Rappers KNOW BETTER than to try and battle Eminem, he killed Jay Z on "Renegade" already and crushed everyone on Drake's "Forever", they just know better not to mess with dude...especially after how bad he crushed Benzino...killed his whole 'career' as much as LL did to Canibus.

Eminem has also talked on this subject on Recovery:

Went away I guess to open up some lanes
But there was no one who even knew what I was going through
Hatred was flowing through my veins
On the verge of going insane
I almost made a song dissin Lil Wayne
It's like I was jealous of him cause the attention he was gettin'
I felt horrible about myself
He was spittin and I wasn't
Anyone who was buzzin back then coulda got it
Almost went at Kanye too
God it feels like I'm goin' psychotic
Thank god that I didn't do it
I would of had my ass handed to me
And I knew it but proof wasn't here to see me through it
I'm in the booth poppin another pill tryna talk myself into it
Are you stupid? You gon' start dissin people for no reason?
Especially when you can't even write a decent punchline even
You're lying to yourself, you're slowly dying, you're denying
Your health is declinging with your self esteem, you're crying out for help

Em knows better than to go after Weezy or Kaney outright. Either of those dudes could bury him. This is an acceptance/friend shot out. Clever and I dig it.

lowkey said:

if he was black he would have hardly got any attention, his 'greatness' is mostly based on him being white in a black dominated field. .

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VANILLA ICE!?!

VANILLA ICE!?!

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In case you forgot to mention them, the first successful "Caucasian" rappers were the Beastie Boys and 3rd Base (who attacked Ice famously).

paisleypark4 said:

lowkey said:

if he was black he would have hardly got any attention, his 'greatness' is mostly based on him being white in a black dominated field. .

[Edited 10/12/10 20:53pm]

That's a damn lie do I have to pull out Snow, Vanilla Ice, Cypress Hill, or Bubba Sparxxx or do you not want to be slayed today?

yeah, there is a reason Vanilla Ice was a joke from the moment he started. And even his name says "look, I'm a white rapper!!" He was a novelty act

Eminem succeeded because of his skills

Timmy84 said:

VANILLA ICE!?!

VANILLA ICE!?!

[img:$uid]http://www.gifsoup.com/view/65640/don-t-curse-in-my-house-o.gif[/img:$uid]

In case you forgot to mention them, the first successful "Caucasian" rappers were the Beastie Boys and 3rd Base (who attacked Ice famously).

paisleypark4 said:

Timmy84 said:

VANILLA ICE!?!

VANILLA ICE!?!

[img:$uid]http://www.gifsoup.com/view/65640/don-t-curse-in-my-house-o.gif[/img:$uid]

In case you forgot to mention them, the first successful "Caucasian" rappers were the Beastie Boys and 3rd Base (who attacked Ice famously).

Oh no that was just the top of my head..

lowkey

going to try to come and talk about Eminem 's success comes from being white, and don't say a damn thing about the Bestie Boys success...that was a straight fail soon as Lowkey said that... [img:$uid]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:HybfNROSagK4gM:http://buzzedition.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/FAIL-Cats-We-shall-decide.jpg[/img:$uid]

But still why even mention Vanilla Ice, man? You know cats howl at that name, dude.

NDRU said:

paisleypark4 said:

That's a damn lie do I have to pull out Snow, Vanilla Ice, Cypress Hill, or Bubba Sparxxx or do you not want to be slayed today?

yeah, there is a reason Vanilla Ice was a joke from the moment he started. And even his name says "look, I'm a white rapper!!" He was a novelty act

Eminem succeeded because of his skills

Least Marshall has that.

I don't know what convinced industry folks that Snow and Vanilla and Bubba were legitimate rappers. Vanilla was promoted initially as the white MC Hammer. Now he's doing some rap metal mess. FAIL. Ugh, he even did a duet of his one hit with those...X Factor twin brothers, forgot their name (and don't remind me who they are, UK ORGers lol).

Timmy84 said:

NDRU said:

yeah, there is a reason Vanilla Ice was a joke from the moment he started. And even his name says "look, I'm a white rapper!!" He was a novelty act

Eminem succeeded because of his skills

Least Marshall has that.

I don't know what convinced industry folks that Snow and Vanilla and Bubba were legitimate rappers. Vanilla was promoted initially as the white MC Hammer. Now he's doing some rap metal mess. FAIL. Ugh, he even did a duet of his one hit with those...X Factor twin brothers, forgot their name (and don't remind me who they are, UK ORGers lol).

I don't doubt that the Beasties and MM were more popular because of the novelty, though. But they are more than just novelty.

NDRU said:

Timmy84 said:

Least Marshall has that.

I don't know what convinced industry folks that Snow and Vanilla and Bubba were legitimate rappers. Vanilla was promoted initially as the white MC Hammer. Now he's doing some rap metal mess. FAIL. Ugh, he even did a duet of his one hit with those...X Factor twin brothers, forgot their name (and don't remind me who they are, UK ORGers lol).

I don't doubt that the Beasties and MM were more popular because of the novelty, though. But they are more than just novelty.

Exactly.

Timmy84 said:

NDRU said:

yeah, there is a reason Vanilla Ice was a joke from the moment he started. And even his name says "look, I'm a white rapper!!" He was a novelty act

Eminem succeeded because of his skills

Least Marshall has that.

I don't know what convinced industry folks that Snow and Vanilla and Bubba were l6012639egitimate rappers. Vanilla was promoted initially as the white MC Hammer. Now he's doing some rap metal mess. FAIL. Ugh, he even did a duet of his one hit with those...X Factor twin brothers, forgot their name (and don't remind me who they are, UK ORGers lol).

LOL!!! Yes a hot mess....I'd still spread some vanilla ice on him though..he look better than he did back then imo lol.

However Eminem definitley has skills..NO ONE can say that he does not.

"

The Slim Shady LP [Aftermath/Interscope, 1999]
Anybody who believes kids are naive enough to take this record literally is right to fear them, because that's the kind of adult teenagers hate. Daring moralizers to go on the attack while explicitly--but not (fuck you, dickwad) unambiguously--declaring itself a satiric, cautionary fiction, this cause célèbre runs short of ideas only toward the end, when Dre's whiteboy turns provocation into the dull sensationalism fools think is his whole story. Over an hour his cadence gets wearing, too. But he flat-out loves to rhyme--"seizure"/"T-shirt," "eyeballs"/"Lysol"/"my fault," "BM"/"GM"/"be him"/"Tylenol PM"/"coliseum," "Mike D"/"might be"--and you have to love the way he slips in sotto voce asides from innocent bystanders. Sticking nine-inch nails through his eyelids, flattening a black bully with a four-inch broom, reminding his conscience/producer about Dee Barnes, watching helplessly as an abused Valley Girl OD's on his shrooms, cajoling his baby daughter Hailey into helping him get rid of her mom's body, he shows more comic genius than any pop musician since--Loudon Wainwright III? A-

The Marshall Mathers LP [Interscope, 2000]
Unless you hope to convince the platinum hordes that you live on Mars, there's even less point moralizing about this one than there was with the last. Right, Marshall Whoever is homophobic; right, he breathes. In context, the worst thing about his casual fag-baiting is that it's at once so received--like the shock-horror his boys envision in "Amityville," the one provocation here whose boundaries are predictable--and, because he's a devastating wordslinger in every context, so hurtful anyway. But the real Slim Whoever seems far more deeply disturbed about stardom, drugs, his marriage, and boning his mom--which latter, like it or not, is the fantasy (or whatever) that sets all the rest up, a big fat fuck you to the black culture Eminem respects and owes so explicitly, for if Snoop or Too Short or DMX would never say such a thing, just how bad can they be? Disable your prejudgment button and you'll hear a work of art whose immense entertainment value in no way compromises its intimations of a pathology that's both personal and political, created by one of those charming rogues you encounter so much more often on the page--exceptionally witty and musical, discernibly thoughtful and good-hearted, indubitably dangerous and full of shit. He may yet give a fuck--he has it in him. But not on anyone else's terms or timetable. A"

Robert Christgau

2freaky4church1 said:

"

The Slim Shady LP [Aftermath/Interscope, 1999]
Anybody who believes kids are naive enough to take this record literally is right to fear them, because that's the kind of adult teenagers hate. Daring moralizers to go on the attack while explicitly--but not (fuck you, dickwad) unambiguously--declaring itself a satiric, cautionary fiction, this cause célèbre runs short of ideas only toward the end, when Dre's whiteboy turns provocation into the dull sensationalism fools think is his whole story. Over an hour his cadence gets wearing, too. But he flat-out loves to rhyme--"seizure"/"T-shirt," "eyeballs"/"Lysol"/"my fault," "BM"/"GM"/"be him"/"Tylenol PM"/"coliseum," "Mike D"/"might be"--and you have to love the way he slips in sotto voce asides from innocent bystanders. Sticking nine-inch nails through his eyelids, flattening a black bully with a four-inch broom, reminding his conscience/producer about Dee Barnes, watching helplessly as an abused Valley Girl OD's on his shrooms, cajoling his baby daughter Hailey into helping him get rid of her mom's body, he shows more comic genius than any pop musician since--Loudon Wainwright III? A-

The Marshall Mathers LP [Interscope, 2000]
Unless you hope to convince the platinum hordes that you live on Mars, there's even less point moralizing about this one than there was with the last. Right, Marshall Whoever is homophobic; right, he breathes. In context, the worst thing about his casual fag-baiting is that it's at once so received--like the shock-horror his boys envision in "Amityville," the one provocation here whose boundaries are predictable--and, because he's a devastating wordslinger in every context, so hurtful anyway. But the real Slim Whoever seems far more deeply disturbed about stardom, drugs, his marriage, and boning his mom--which latter, like it or not, is the fantasy (or whatever) that sets all the rest up, a big fat fuck you to the black culture Eminem respects and owes so explicitly, for if Snoop or Too Short or DMX would never say such a thing, just how bad can they be? Disable your prejudgment button and you'll hear a work of art whose immense entertainment value in no way compromises its intimations of a pathology that's both personal and political, created by one of those charming rogues you encounter so much more often on the page--exceptionally witty and musical, discernibly thoughtful and good-hearted, indubitably dangerous and full of shit. He may yet give a fuck--he has it in him. But not on anyone else's terms or timetable. A"

Robert Christgau

Just about all of his albums are pretty top notch Even though..I didnt really get into The Eminem Show that much, and Encore was hit and miss. Relapse was definitley one of my favorites too...I put it up there with the first album. His lyrics on Marshall Mathers LP were amazing.

paisleypark4 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

"

The Slim Shady LP [Aftermath/Interscope, 1999]
Anybody who believes kids are naive enough to take this record literally is right to fear them, because that's the kind of adult teenagers hate. Daring moralizers to go on the attack while explicitly--but not (fuck you, dickwad) unambiguously--declaring itself a satiric, cautionary fiction, this cause célèbre runs short of ideas only toward the end, when Dre's whiteboy turns provocation into the dull sensationalism fools think is his whole story. Over an hour his cadence gets wearing, too. But he flat-out loves to rhyme--"seizure"/"T-shirt," "eyeballs"/"Lysol"/"my fault," "BM"/"GM"/"be him"/"Tylenol PM"/"coliseum," "Mike D"/"might be"--and you have to love the way he slips in sotto voce asides from innocent bystanders. Sticking nine-inch nails through his eyelids, flattening a black bully with a four-inch broom, reminding his conscience/producer about Dee Barnes, watching helplessly as an abused Valley Girl OD's on his shrooms, cajoling his baby daughter Hailey into helping him get rid of her mom's body, he shows more comic genius than any pop musician since--Loudon Wainwright III? A-

The Marshall Mathers LP [Interscope, 2000]
Unless you hope to convince the platinum hordes that you live on Mars, there's even less point moralizing about this one than there was with the last. Right, Marshall Whoever is homophobic; right, he breathes. In context, the worst thing about his casual fag-baiting is that it's at once so received--like the shock-horror his boys envision in "Amityville," the one provocation here whose boundaries are predictable--and, because he's a devastating wordslinger in every context, so hurtful anyway. But the real Slim Whoever seems far more deeply disturbed about stardom, drugs, his marriage, and boning his mom--which latter, like it or not, is the fantasy (or whatever) that sets all the rest up, a big fat fuck you to the black culture Eminem respects and owes so explicitly, for if Snoop or Too Short or DMX would never say such a thing, just how bad can they be? Disable your prejudgment button and you'll hear a work of art whose immense entertainment value in no way compromises its intimations of a pathology that's both personal and political, created by one of those charming rogues you encounter so much more often on the page--exceptionally witty and musical, discernibly thoughtful and good-hearted, indubitably dangerous and full of shit. He may yet give a fuck--he has it in him. But not on anyone else's terms or timetable. A"

Robert Christgau

Just about all of his albums are pretty top notch Even though..I didnt really get into The Eminem Show that much, and Encore was hit and miss. Relapse was definitley one of my favorites too...I put it up there with the first album. His lyrics on Marshall Mathers LP were amazing.

yeah that was where I thought he had kind of run out of things to say. I got bored of it. I did like the first two, and have not heard the last two

paisleypark4 said:

Timmy84 said:

Least Marshall has that.

I don't know what convinced industry folks that Snow and Vanilla and Bubba were l6012639egitimate rappers. Vanilla was promoted initially as the white MC Hammer. Now he's doing some rap metal mess. FAIL. Ugh, he even did a duet of his one hit with those...X Factor twin brothers, forgot their name (and don't remind me who they are, UK ORGers lol).

LOL!!! Yes a hot mess....I'd still spread some vanilla ice on him though..he look better than he did back then imo lol.

However Eminem definitley has skills..NO ONE can say that he does not.

Believe it or not some people think the ability to write, talk and rhyme requires hardly any skill at all. So i guess they could.

Eminem is the male version of Lady GaGa. Anything for attention, moderate talent,

and HUGE ego. Nothing this fool says or does surprises me. Over-rated.

Vanilli said:

paisleypark4 said:

Vanilli said:

Eminem is the male version of Lady GaGa. Anything for attention, moderate talent,

and HUGE ego. Nothing this fool says or does surprises me. Over-rated.

Its funny how people go stumble into threads of an artist they do not like with only a button away from being slayed...

I love both em and gaga I don't give a fuck .

paisleypark4 said:

lowkey said:

if he was black he would have hardly got any attention, his 'greatness' is mostly based on him being white in a black dominated field. .

[Edited 10/12/10 20:53pm]

That's a damn lie do I have to pull out Snow, Vanilla Ice, Cypress Hill, or Bubba Sparxxx or do you not want to be slayed today?

we just disagree then, i dont hear these skills everybody talk about. i stand by my comment that if he was a black rapper with the same exact flow we wouldnt be talking about him today. lol@you name dropping those novelty acts. eminim benefitted from having dr dre in his corner and the power of mtv. i still dont personally know anybody who owns a eminim cd

paisleypark4 said:

Vanilli said:

Eminem is the male version of Lady GaGa. Anything for attention, moderate talent,

and HUGE ego. Nothing this fool says or does surprises me. Over-rated.

Its funny how people go stumble into threads of an artist they do not like with only a button away from being slayed...

i really really dont like him and i wouldnt normally go into a thread about him, but the subject matter caught my interest so i decided to give my opinion. please tell me how you intend on 'slaying' the people who dont share your feelings of his greatness?

lowkey said:

paisleypark4 said:

Vanilli said: Its funny how people go stumble into threads of an artist they do not like with only a button away from being slayed...

i really really dont like him and i wouldnt normally go into a thread about him, but the subject matter caught my interest so i decided to give my opinion. please tell me how you intend on 'slaying' the people who dont share your feelings of his greatness?

Because you thought you and the other people in here were going to have the good nerve to say that Eminem's popularity was only because he is caucasian, when it has already been proven that white rappers have already succeeded in the past not because of being white only; but from having catchy songs, good lyrics or great productions no matter what color they are. Hell there are white girl rappers out there RIGHT NOW who has been trying to get popular for the past 5 or six years with no fame or noriety...and I don't see their names on no plaque or on somebodys mixtape. How about Paul Wall? Nobody checking for him lately either..the Beastie Boys? Cypress Hill had their couple lil hits, Atmosphere? 'White rap legends' in their own right...don't sit there and try to take away someones talent because of their skin color. Going to sit here and tell me those guys were only populat because they were white, or because they have talent?

The fact of the matter is Eminem is a caucasian rapper, with skills and talked about things many many rappers were too afraid to do. The fact of the matter is that Eminem will not ever BE black, so coming in here with these "if's" and shit is out of the question. God makes no mistakes; and if Eminem is supposed to present his talents to the world this way; then it will be, and it has been.

The subject was that if he were black he would get away with saying 'fag'..well..where were any of you when the others said it? Where were you? Where was your protest signs picket lines and dislike opinions on threads? Where were the news crews? I want the receipts.

I want answers..don't make me have to come back in here and slay again.

Em is in fact very talented. I loved the Marshall Mathers LP era! I was a little unnerved by the dropping of the f-word but I would let it slide, eventually. But yeah I agree, Eminem has done things other rappers could never dream of doing. That's why he's the best.

NDRU said:

deebee said:

Yeah, I'm probably being slightly too harsh. I think he's definitely got a talent for wordplay, and even on something like Stan you see his ability to craft a narrative, which is impressive. I just think that he chose to forego developing that side of his craft, and decided to go along with churning out frat boy crap and controversy-courting, where he'd found his niche in the market. (I mean, at the point you can release Just Lose It as the lead single/video of an album, you have nothing left to say as an artist!) I just get irked when he pulls the 'poor me' crap, as he definitely made his own bed.

His problem to me is he is self obsessed. All he seems to be able to say is "I'm crazy" "I'm persecuted" "I'm just trying to raise my daughter" "people are obsessed with me" and, back then "kim is a bitch"

That's why he seems to gravitate toward stupid shit, because he doesn't have any other subject matter.

So you've heard about 3 songs from him? He raps in depth about heartache, envy, redemption, love, anger, resentment, death, suicide,obsession, pride, hope, forgiveness, doubt, success and failure. Thats just on his latest CD. Which deserves every award it is nominated for by the way. To say he has no subject matter is a little silly. I personally hope he retires after 'Recovery'. It would be a great way to end an excellent Hip Hop career.

paisleypark4 said:

lowkey said:

if he was black he would have hardly got any attention, his 'greatness' is mostly based on him being white in a black dominated field. .

[Edited 10/12/10 20:53pm]

That's a damn lie do I have to pull out Snow, Vanilla Ice, Cypress Hill, or Bubba Sparxxx or do you not want to be slayed today?

legendofnothing said:

NDRU said:

His problem to me is he is self obsessed. All he seems to be able to say is "I'm crazy" "I'm persecuted" "I'm just trying to raise my daughter" "people are obsessed with me" and, back then "kim is a bitch"

That's why he seems to gravitate toward stupid shit, because he doesn't have any other subject matter.

So you've heard about 3 songs from him? He raps in depth about heartache, envy, redemption, love, anger, resentment, death, suicide,obsession, pride, hope, forgiveness, doubt, success and failure. Thats just on his latest CD. Which deserves every award it is nominated for by the way. To say he has no subject matter is a little silly. I personally hope he retires after 'Recovery'. It would be a great way to end an excellent Hip Hop career.

I hope he retires and ends his career too.

I see fags calling each other fags all the time.

Hip hop is misogynistic, Hip hop is homophobic

Who the hell gives a good god damn.

Its music

I know women and gays who love eminem.

self loathing...

I dunno I watched that interview...

dudes looks mad melancholic...

I hate to say it, but I don't know how long em is gonna last...

EmbattledWarrior said:

dudes looks mad melancholic...

I hate to say it, but I don't know how long em is gonna last...

Marshall always had issues.

Timmy84 said:

EmbattledWarrior said:

dudes looks mad melancholic...

I hate to say it, but I don't know how long em is gonna last...

Marshall always had issues.

True,

and he does not seem to be enjoying his fame.

Never really has .

And ever since the recovery he's been more lethargic than usual.

One of those people who has a permanent dark cloud hanging over them.