lastdecember said:

unique said:

you can't compare bands like aha and rick springfield and styx to prince. they have a much smaller fanbase, so if they want to play a whole album they aren't limiting the number of tickets they would be selling. why should prince play a theatre tour of an album when he can play stadiums? he can play what he wants when he wants in a small venue if he wanted to play a whole album, but right now he can sell large venues if he plays the hits, so why would he wanna stop doing that? it's the promoters and agents that offer him money to play those shows, they wouldn't offer as much money if he wasn't going to play the hits

the problem with him dumping albums from playing them live is down to the time between recording the album, releasing it and going on tour. if he wants a major release he's going to have delays, and in between the delays he ends up writing and recording another album and losing interest in the last one, so the record companies were to blame before, and these days it's just commercial reasons that he doesn't play the new songs, cuz he is offered money to play hits, not new songs, the promoter knows what the audiences want to make them buy tickets and it's not songs from the new album

i'm sure you've seen long established artists before, and it's great when the hits are played, and it's a downer when you hear the words "here's a new one...", as everyone rushes to the bar and toilets whilst thom yorke goes in a trance playing something that doesn't even vaguely represent music, when people just want him to play creep and stuff from the bends and ok computer and he can stick his drum machine up his arse. people go to see them to hear high and dry and just, not the weirdy crap. it's the same with prince, folk want to hear purple rain, not the theocratic order

with the exception of a-ha you are right about fanbases being smaller, a-ha can go into any country and sell out, Prince is more limited to the states and uk, a-ha does many stadiums, almost all of their south american shows are stadiums and they have tons of stadiums still to go on this tour, so that to me is a tour...when you are actually going around to different venues and places. Now the USA is not a-ha's place, it hasnt been for a long time, and yet the venues that they went into they sold out quicker than any artist that has ever played there, though they were smaller venues than what they normally play, that is irrelevant long term, but, it is why they could not mount a full USA tour because the cost would eventually become a huge bill of trekking around the states playing 2500 seaters, but again that goes for any artist like you said. They are clearly raking in the money on all the other countries where they can sell 20-30,000 seats with no problem, and they have been known (and hold the rercord) for largest paying crowd, of 191,000. But they were selling these seats regardless of set lists, or promises of what they would play, their 2000 return tour, was a 24 set song list, and they did 12 from the new album at the time.

Now i agree with you on that people tend to get up and go to the bathroom when artists play a new song, but to me, i dont want to go to an Elton John show and hear Your Song, i want something new. And yes they get paid to play hits although im not sure an artist hands over their set list to a promoter and that gets them a check, the tours labeled as HITS tours maybe thats the case. But again i feel its the artists call, your ticket is to see the person on the ticket, thats all you are guaranteed.

Also can Prince sell "stadiums" are we sure of this, i mean he hasnt mounted a tour since 2004, and though that was huge, there werent "stadiums" in that tour, plus the world was alot different then, now no one is really selling out shows here regardless of who they are.

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the thing is there are far more people who want to hear the hits than people like yourself that are in the minority, and the artists play to the majority. promotors might not get the set list, but there are expectations when they book an artist, and if they knew the artist was going to play a load of new stuff and not many hits, they wouldn't be so keep to promote them in future. there are lots of people who would see bob dylan, spingsteen, etc etc if they knew it was a hits set, but wouldn't want to be bored by a load of new songs or obscure stuff. thats the difference between playing theatres and arenas, and whilst there is thirst from an audience to play large venues, it makes sense to capatalise on it, then you might get some more fans who support you on your obscurity tour, named after your dissapearing fame when you stop playing songs that people want to hear

Well, now one of them can claim something Prince can't, Tony winner. Does that piss fams off? Should it? Does anyone care? What day is it?

sosgemini said:

Well, now one of them can claim something Prince can't, Tony winner. Does that piss fams off? Should it? Does anyone care? What day is it?

who?

unique said:

sosgemini said:

Well, now one of them can claim something Prince can't, Tony winner. Does that piss fams off? Should it? Does anyone care? What day is it?

who?

The white one with long hair. He won for songwriter (which ever category that is) and for producing Memphis.

sosgemini said:

unique said:

who?

The white one with long hair. He won for songwriter (which ever category that is) and for producing Memphis.

tony winner produced memphis? that still makes no sense to me. i still have no idea wtf he is

unique said:

sosgemini said:

The white one with long hair. He won for songwriter (which ever category that is) and for producing Memphis.

tony winner produced memphis? that still makes no sense to me. i still have no idea wtf he is

How does that not make since? The dude wrote the songs and was a producer of Memphis so he won two Tony's last night.

Here:

http://www.nj.com/enterta..._wins.html

i have no idea who tony winner is. is he a member of bon jovie?

David Bryan, which is why i said, dont slight this band because they are "cheesy" that dont mean shit, look at most prince lyrics, love is fucking cheesy to begin with, so they are all spinning it in different ways, dudes can fucking play always have been able too, thats why they are still here, not luck.

unique said:

lastdecember said:

with the exception of a-ha you are right about fanbases being smaller, a-ha can go into any country and sell out, Prince is more limited to the states and uk, a-ha does many stadiums, almost all of their south american shows are stadiums and they have tons of stadiums still to go on this tour, so that to me is a tour...when you are actually going around to different venues and places. Now the USA is not a-ha's place, it hasnt been for a long time, and yet the venues that they went into they sold out quicker than any artist that has ever played there, though they were smaller venues than what they normally play, that is irrelevant long term, but, it is why they could not mount a full USA tour because the cost would eventually become a huge bill of trekking around the states playing 2500 seaters, but again that goes for any artist like you said. They are clearly raking in the money on all the other countries where they can sell 20-30,000 seats with no problem, and they have been known (and hold the rercord) for largest paying crowd, of 191,000. But they were selling these seats regardless of set lists, or promises of what they would play, their 2000 return tour, was a 24 set song list, and they did 12 from the new album at the time.

Now i agree with you on that people tend to get up and go to the bathroom when artists play a new song, but to me, i dont want to go to an Elton John show and hear Your Song, i want something new. And yes they get paid to play hits although im not sure an artist hands over their set list to a promoter and that gets them a check, the tours labeled as HITS tours maybe thats the case. But again i feel its the artists call, your ticket is to see the person on the ticket, thats all you are guaranteed.

Also can Prince sell "stadiums" are we sure of this, i mean he hasnt mounted a tour since 2004, and though that was huge, there werent "stadiums" in that tour, plus the world was alot different then, now no one is really selling out shows here regardless of who they are.

[Edited 6/13/10 14:55pm]

the thing is there are far more people who want to hear the hits than people like yourself that are in the minority, and the artists play to the majority. promotors might not get the set list, but there are expectations when they book an artist, and if they knew the artist was going to play a load of new stuff and not many hits, they wouldn't be so keep to promote them in future. there are lots of people who would see bob dylan, spingsteen, etc etc if they knew it was a hits set, but wouldn't want to be bored by a load of new songs or obscure stuff. thats the difference between playing theatres and arenas, and whilst there is thirst from an audience to play large venues, it makes sense to capatalise on it, then you might get some more fans who support you on your obscurity tour, named after your dissapearing fame when you stop playing songs that people want to hear

Well ther Bruce is a good example, he toured a few years back, played arenas, and did blues roots music the whole night, and tossed in something here and there, i think, what we tend to forget is that people that have been around are not all of a sudden going to get into someone and go see them, that may have been the case in the 70's and 80's but once ticket prices went through the roof the casual fan went, i think now you have to be so into an artist to go see them, and then you get what you get, but being so into them you should know everything from old to new. I would have no issue with Elton John dropping Your Song from the set list to put in an another album cut from his second album that is even better, hits, are far from the best songs, in most cases they are their worst, so if you are trying to reach a "casual" fan and draw them in, sure you play some hits, but you also have take into account other fans with you for 30 years that want to hear "Sixty Years On" (possibly Eltons Greatest Song) in place Your SOng that i can hear live on every live album and every hour on the lite station

http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/event/120043579E9957AA?tm_link=bonjovi

the bon jovi tickets at the o2 are now selling for £5, and apparently they had to resort to giving tickets away to make the place look full. they were even giving away free front row seats to try and fill the front of the stage up

now who was trying to say they were going to make more money than prince or sell more tickets than him?

unique said:

http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/event/120043579E9957AA?tm_link=bonjovi

the bon jovi tickets at the o2 are now selling for £5, and apparently they had to resort to giving tickets away to make the place look full. they were even giving away free front row seats to try and fill the front of the stage up

now who was trying to say they were going to make more money than prince or sell more tickets than him?

No one will come back to this thread who was talking smack about Bon Jovi outselling P at the 02 because the haters run like bugs from a Cracker Jack box when presented with facts. In addition, anyone who thought that Bon Jovi had a snowballs chance in hell of selling out this venue was smoking crack and should be too embarrassed to come back to this topic

laurarichardson said:

unique said:

http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/event/120043579E9957AA?tm_link=bonjovi

the bon jovi tickets at the o2 are now selling for £5, and apparently they had to resort to giving tickets away to make the place look full. they were even giving away free front row seats to try and fill the front of the stage up

now who was trying to say they were going to make more money than prince or sell more tickets than him?

No one will come back to this thread who was talking smack about Bon Jovi outselling P at the 02 because the haters run like bugs from a Cracker Jack box when presented with facts. In addition, anyone who thought that Bon Jovi had a snowballs chance in hell of selling out this venue was smoking crack and should be too embarrassed to come back to this topic

Like i said, Prince 21 - Bon Jovi 12 - Who Da Man!

It's amazing so many so called "Prince" fans were backing Bon Jovi .... oh well

ernestsewell said:

lastdecember said:

Bon Jovi has the main thing that Prince will never have....his master recordings, plain and simple. With that aside, how was this even a competition between the two? Did Jon Bon Jovi come out and say "were going to beat prince" no he could care less and so should Prince. How about props to both for being to go to a country that they arent from and still sell out shows 25-30 years into their careers, but with that aside, to be technical here Prince hadnt done the UK in some time, Bon Jovi has practically resided in the UK for touring and releasing music. So the uk is probably thinking, damn U guys are back already you were just here last month, Prince was gone for awhile from that country, kind of like the fact he hasnt toured here in 6 years now.

So regardless of what people think of them or him, i happen to like both artists, but feel Prince is in a fucking RUT, MPLsound was the biggest BS overrated piece of crap ever, it made NPS and Jughead look like fucking Mozart, call it what it is. Prince is tired right now, this new song he just did, once again, comfort zone, same shit new year.

That's the muthafukkin' truth! And that is why Bon Jovi, whether you like their music or not, is a lot smarter on the business side than Prince has been in recent years.

Who cares? When I put in a cd I'm not listening for business sense. As for the topic it seems pretty simple: 21> 12 right? At least it is here in America.

The best thing about Bon Jovi these days is John's facelift and his dyed blonde 70s style mane!

poetcorner61 said:

The best thing about Bon Jovi these days is John's facelift and his dyed blonde 70s style mane!

umm lets not go there Prince has more done on his face than Joan Rivers, and his hair is gone at this point, for the most part. If that makeup on Prince's face ever got chiseled off then we'd see the real 52 year old.

lastdecember said:

poetcorner61 said:

The best thing about Bon Jovi these days is John's facelift and his dyed blonde 70s style mane!

umm lets not go there Prince has more done on his face than Joan Rivers, and his hair is gone at this point, for the most part. If that makeup on Prince's face ever got chiseled off then we'd see the real 52 year old.

You get me wrong! John Bon Jovi looks great--way less than his age and much better looking than the other band members, who look their age! I think that is the real appeal for the band's younger fans, not the latest releases (which, I'm sorry, I don't care for). Of course, Prince has had some work done and although I think he should do a lighter hair dye and a shorter, more natural hair style, I think he looks pretty good and that most of his hair is still his...just as I think John's is...not everyone that old goes bald you know! I'm not that much younger than Prince and my hair is thick and full and I have yet to have ever dyed it in my life...just a sprinkling of silver so far!

who gives a shit?

lastdecember said:

poetcorner61 said:

The best thing about Bon Jovi these days is John's facelift and his dyed blonde 70s style mane!

umm lets not go there Prince has more done on his face than Joan Rivers, and his hair is gone at this point, for the most part. If that makeup on Prince's face ever got chiseled off then we'd see the real 52 year old.

Well someone posted a pic of P at a nightclub recently and he had no make-up on and he did not look 52. Black does not crack. Some of you bitches need to go over it and accept that fact that you are old and wrinkly and P is not.