Whether they sell more albums than Prince, who gives a shit?? Prince still kicks their ass when it comes to making good music.

ernestsewell said:

Dreamer2 said:

So it's true they .....lost ......Prince still owns the o2 .....

Who da man!

No one is the man. No one lost, or won. It's not a contest, people. Prince wishes he still had the American fan base that Bon Jovi has currently. Bon Jovi can sell out a damn country if they wanted, and they are selling a ton more records than Prince has in almost 10 years. Let's compare facts as to who owns what:

Their last album in 2009? Yeah, over 2 million world wide. Low numbers considering how much downloading is going on, but Prince didn't even make gold with a 3 record set.

Bon Jovi's 2007 release - 4 million world wide. Prince? Planet Earth - nothing to speak of.

Bon Jovi 2005 release - 7 million records world wide. Prince? 3121 in 2006 - Gold.

Bon Jovi 2002 release - 6 million world wide. Prince? 2001's The Rainbow CHildren - didn't even crack the top 100 in the US, and barely made that in Switzerland (which is of course a huge market....NOT)

Prince doesn't own shit. He can't even compile a decent DVD, yet Bon Jovi makes movies about tours and it's on Showtime exclusively running more than Golden Girls reruns when Rue McClannahan died. He could learn something from the New Jersey boys.

Bon Jovi has the main thing that Prince will never have....his master recordings, plain and simple. With that aside, how was this even a competition between the two? Did Jon Bon Jovi come out and say "were going to beat prince" no he could care less and so should Prince. How about props to both for being to go to a country that they arent from and still sell out shows 25-30 years into their careers, but with that aside, to be technical here Prince hadnt done the UK in some time, Bon Jovi has practically resided in the UK for touring and releasing music. So the uk is probably thinking, damn U guys are back already you were just here last month, Prince was gone for awhile from that country, kind of like the fact he hasnt toured here in 6 years now.

So regardless of what people think of them or him, i happen to like both artists, but feel Prince is in a fucking RUT, MPLsound was the biggest BS overrated piece of crap ever, it made NPS and Jughead look like fucking Mozart, call it what it is. Prince is tired right now, this new song he just did, once again, comfort zone, same shit new year.

lastdecember said:

Bon Jovi has the main thing that Prince will never have....his master recordings, plain and simple. With that aside, how was this even a competition between the two? Did Jon Bon Jovi come out and say "were going to beat prince" no he could care less and so should Prince. How about props to both for being to go to a country that they arent from and still sell out shows 25-30 years into their careers, but with that aside, to be technical here Prince hadnt done the UK in some time, Bon Jovi has practically resided in the UK for touring and releasing music. So the uk is probably thinking, damn U guys are back already you were just here last month, Prince was gone for awhile from that country, kind of like the fact he hasnt toured here in 6 years now.

So regardless of what people think of them or him, i happen to like both artists, but feel Prince is in a fucking RUT, MPLsound was the biggest BS overrated piece of crap ever, it made NPS and Jughead look like fucking Mozart, call it what it is. Prince is tired right now, this new song he just did, once again, comfort zone, same shit new year.

That's the muthafukkin' truth! And that is why Bon Jovi, whether you like their music or not, is a lot smarter on the business side than Prince has been in recent years.

ernestsewell said:

lastdecember said:

Bon Jovi has the main thing that Prince will never have....his master recordings, plain and simple. With that aside, how was this even a competition between the two? Did Jon Bon Jovi come out and say "were going to beat prince" no he could care less and so should Prince. How about props to both for being to go to a country that they arent from and still sell out shows 25-30 years into their careers, but with that aside, to be technical here Prince hadnt done the UK in some time, Bon Jovi has practically resided in the UK for touring and releasing music. So the uk is probably thinking, damn U guys are back already you were just here last month, Prince was gone for awhile from that country, kind of like the fact he hasnt toured here in 6 years now.

So regardless of what people think of them or him, i happen to like both artists, but feel Prince is in a fucking RUT, MPLsound was the biggest BS overrated piece of crap ever, it made NPS and Jughead look like fucking Mozart, call it what it is. Prince is tired right now, this new song he just did, once again, comfort zone, same shit new year.

That's the muthafukkin' truth! And that is why Bon Jovi, whether you like their music or not, is a lot smarter on the business side than Prince has been in recent years.

Dont get me wrong I love Prince to death, but he isnt a business-smart guy, plain and simple, he is smarter than many but nowhere close. Now the change came in 1991 when Bon Jovi fired his managers, Prince didnt do that, he re-signed for millions, Jon said to the band, "look im the leader, follow me and i will take care of you" and he did, i dont want to get off on a rant here but Jon Bon Jovi is one of the smartest rock stars ever, plain and simple, u can hate them, think they suck, think they are cheesy, dont deserve the fame BLAH BLAH BLAH we can debate that about everyones fame till we are blue in the face, but the point is very simple, Jon is smart and did things right, Prince did not, Jon got his masters because he mainly decided that they as a band would act as a corporation, and gave in on some things but in the end, got the main things they need. Now they oversee every part of their business down to the t-shirt designs. Prince just didnt do things that way, whether it was not having the same things offered, or just initial greed when he resigned, or just plain freaking ego, he didnt do it right.

Dreamer2 said:

metallicjigolo said:

O Honey..Don't try that shit! The NUMBERS ARE... Prince 21 NITES...Bon Jovi 12.

Peace.

Who da man!

Errrrr.......PRINCE DA MAN!!!!!

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21 NIGHTS BABY!!!

[Edited 6/7/10 16:18pm]

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Jon Bon Jovi is reportedly disgusted that Axl Rose gets more media attention than he doesbecause the reclusive Guns N’ Roses frontman “hasn’t made a record in 13 years.” Jon can’t seem to get over the fact that the press will always be more fascinated with the bad boy legacy of Guns N’ Roses than they are with his crappy band. He fumes:

“You know what I’ve done in 13 years? A lot. But they have continued to write about the freak show aspect of him. Because he’s a recluse. That makes him interesting, right?”

I know what he’s done in 13 years: shitty music. The fact that such a tool dares to compare himself to Axl Rose is beyond my comprehension. I enjoy his “rock” music as much as the sound of the toilet flushing.

Who da' man?

I'm surprised they even got 12!

kenny88 said:

I'm surprised they even got 12!

So are they as they pushed that promo boat off the cliff .... shame.....even went to the top of the O2 to stage a press / music jam ....

Maybe Prince is coming to London this week to give tips on how to sell out concerts in London

Oh ...P.S. ...Bon Jovi PR did say that they will try and beat Prince's record of 21 Nights...

Prince 21

Bon Jovi 12

Who Da Man!

I'm a huge Prince fan.

I'm a casual Bon Jovi fan, probably not even that...last time I brought one of their albums was back in the day, "Keep The Faith" I think it was; I was twelve at the time)

I was at the concert last night, and like them or not, I had a brilliant time. It was no Prince 2007 but it was great fun nonetheless.

Life's too short, I'm not gonna let the "established musical order" stop me from going to a good show. Bon Jovi are cheesy and not in the same league as other artist? So what...I still had a wicked time.

bon jovi give rock a band name

Dreamer2 said:

Who Da Man!

Michael Jackson

ernestsewell said:

blackbob said:

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE APPEAL OF BON JOVI AND THAT OTHER ONE....KNICKLEBACK....?......WHAT IS THE APPEAL OF LISTENING TO THE SAME SHIT OVER AND OVER AGAIN ?....WHOLE ALBUMS THAT SOUND EXACTLY THE SAME ?.....I ADMIT I CANT LISTEN TO THAT TYPE OF MUSIC OVER A WHOLE ALBUM.....ITS JUST TOO PREDICTABLE...I LIKE THE ODD TRACK LIKE AC/DC BUT I COULDNT LISTEN TO A WHOLE ALBUM OF THAT STUFF...IS IT JUST ME ?...........sorry for shouting.....

They're just a rock band. I loved them through their first 3 or 4 album, but lost interest a bit. I'm not a big defender of them, but I can recognize the fact that they have a very wide spread appeal to the mass public. If folks don't like 'em, ...well, let's talk about someone we do like.

oooooooooh your half way there .....

Bon Jovi 12

Prince 21

Who da man!

ernestsewell said:

Dreamer2 said:

So it's true they .....lost ......Prince still owns the o2 .....

Who da man!

No one is the man. No one lost, or won. It's not a contest, people. Prince wishes he still had the American fan base that Bon Jovi has currently. Bon Jovi can sell out a damn country if they wanted, and they are selling a ton more records than Prince has in almost 10 years. Let's compare facts as to who owns what:

Their last album in 2009? Yeah, over 2 million world wide. Low numbers considering how much downloading is going on, but Prince didn't even make gold with a 3 record set.

Bon Jovi's 2007 release - 4 million world wide. Prince? Planet Earth - nothing to speak of.

Bon Jovi 2005 release - 7 million records world wide. Prince? 3121 in 2006 - Gold.

Bon Jovi 2002 release - 6 million world wide. Prince? 2001's The Rainbow CHildren - didn't even crack the top 100 in the US, and barely made that in Switzerland (which is of course a huge market....NOT)

Prince doesn't own shit. He can't even compile a decent DVD, yet Bon Jovi makes movies about tours and it's on Showtime exclusively running more than Golden Girls reruns when Rue McClannahan died. He could learn something from the New Jersey boys.

Damm dude you are defending Bon Jovi how desperate can you be.

A few people came on the board claiming Bon Jovi would surpass P’s record a few months ago.

Many of us said this had no chance of happening and it looks like we were right.

In addition, you cannot really believe that P has no U.S. fanbase. If he went out on a U.S tour tomorrow the tickets would sell-out not to mention this has only been said about a dozen times over the years. It is ridiculous to compare an independent artist with a band that is signed to a major lable. Bon Jovi has marketing, payola and a whole team of people to keep their tired ass music on the radio and in the stores. P does not have any of this but, it was his choice to go independent and it is unfortunate that some so called fans are not smart enough to figure out that being independent in the music industry gives you less clout, airtime and sales.

ernestsewell said:

metallicjigolo said:

O Honey..Don't try that shit! The NUMBERS ARE... Prince 21 NITES...Bon Jovi 12.

Peace.

Michael Jackson sold out 50. Now sit down.

laurarichardson said:

Damm dude you are defending Bon Jovi how desperate can you be.

A few people came on the board claiming Bon Jovi would surpass P’s record a few months ago.

Many of us said this had no chance of happening and it looks like we were right.

In addition, you cannot really believe that P has no U.S. fanbase. If he went out on a U.S tour tomorrow the tickets would sell-out not to mention this has only been said about a dozen times over the years. It is ridiculous to compare an independent artist with a band that is signed to a major lable. Bon Jovi has marketing, payola and a whole team of people to keep their tired ass music on the radio and in the stores. P does not have any of this but, it was his choice to go independent and it is unfortunate that some so called fans are not smart enough to figure out that being independent in the music industry gives you less clout, airtime and sales.

You've obviously read nothing, so we're going to just breeze past your nonsense. Bye now, Ms. .

laurarichardson said:

ernestsewell said:

No one is the man. No one lost, or won. It's not a contest, people. Prince wishes he still had the American fan base that Bon Jovi has currently. Bon Jovi can sell out a damn country if they wanted, and they are selling a ton more records than Prince has in almost 10 years. Let's compare facts as to who owns what:

Their last album in 2009? Yeah, over 2 million world wide. Low numbers considering how much downloading is going on, but Prince didn't even make gold with a 3 record set.

Bon Jovi's 2007 release - 4 million world wide. Prince? Planet Earth - nothing to speak of.

Bon Jovi 2005 release - 7 million records world wide. Prince? 3121 in 2006 - Gold.

Bon Jovi 2002 release - 6 million world wide. Prince? 2001's The Rainbow CHildren - didn't even crack the top 100 in the US, and barely made that in Switzerland (which is of course a huge market....NOT)

Prince doesn't own shit. He can't even compile a decent DVD, yet Bon Jovi makes movies about tours and it's on Showtime exclusively running more than Golden Girls reruns when Rue McClannahan died. He could learn something from the New Jersey boys.

Damm dude you are defending Bon Jovi how desperate can you be.

A few people came on the board claiming Bon Jovi would surpass P’s record a few months ago.

Many of us said this had no chance of happening and it looks like we were right.

In addition, you cannot really believe that P has no U.S. fanbase. If he went out on a U.S tour tomorrow the tickets would sell-out not to mention this has only been said about a dozen times over the years. It is ridiculous to compare an independent artist with a band that is signed to a major lable. Bon Jovi has marketing, payola and a whole team of people to keep their tired ass music on the radio and in the stores. P does not have any of this but, it was his choice to go independent and it is unfortunate that some so called fans are not smart enough to figure out that being independent in the music industry gives you less clout, airtime and sales.

Very, so desperate he's using MJ (R.I.P) to back up his case for Bon Jovi ? ...

Prince 21

Bon Jovi 12

Who Da Man !

I love it

Let's be real here - if Prince wanted to do 50 shows, he could have added another 29 shows to the 21 he did, and they would have all sold out as well. The momentum was there and the buzz was crazy.

And also - even as a huge MJ fan who would loved to have seen him do well - had he lived, there's no way he would have done all 50 concerts. I honestly don't think he would have done more than 15, unless he did some, took 6 months off and then did some more.

Prince holds the crown. He sold out 21 nights, but more importantly, he played 21 EXCELLENT shows. And the aftershows were perhaps even better (the ones where he played).

I'm no Bon Jovi fan, but they own P on this one.

Bon Jovi tickets are THREE times the price of Prince. Even if Prince did 36 nights to match the same sales turnover, Bon Jovi would still be much more profitable because their overheads on venue alone would be a third of P's. Let alone P's extravagances like hotels and and security, plus little trips to Prague to make videos no one sees.

and while Prince was giving his albums away, Bon Jovi were selling a couple of million.

Bob Jovi are number one at the bank thats for sure.

Militant said:

Let's be real here - if Prince wanted to do 50 shows, he could have added another 29 shows to the 21 he did, and they would have all sold out as well. The momentum was there and the buzz was crazy.

And also - even as a huge MJ fan who would loved to have seen him do well - had he lived, there's no way he would have done all 50 concerts. I honestly don't think he would have done more than 15, unless he did some, took 6 months off and then did some more.

Prince holds the crown. He sold out 21 nights, but more importantly, he played 21 EXCELLENT shows. And the aftershows were perhaps even better (the ones where he played).

the thing that no one gets outside of who sold out more, is the fact that ONE plays that country every year, and one plays once in a blue moon when he feels like it, which is why he hasnt toured america since 2004, and probably wont for another few years. The thing is that if Bon Jovi labeled it the farewell UK tour they would have had to more shows easily, or if they toured there once in a decade, we are debating over two artists, one in their 50's and another closing in on 50 that can still sell tons of tickets in a country they arent from, its not like Robbie Williams is coming here and doing 12 nights at MSG.

To me though seeing Prince 76 times in my life, nothing will ever top his musicianship on the One Nite Alone tour, he needs that back, because right now he is giving me covers, and laundry lists and medleys, and he is slowly becoming a novelity, if you are going to do HITS tours, play full hits, dont hit me with two lines of songs and call it a song (but thats another topic).

As for MJ playing 50 shows, i can guarantee after 3 shit would have started to be cancelled due to "reasons" unknown.

SquirrelMeat said:

I'm no Bon Jovi fan, but they own P on this one.

Bon Jovi tickets are THREE times the price of Prince. Even if Prince did 36 nights to match the same sales turnover, Bon Jovi would still be much more profitable because their overheads on venue alone would be a third of P's. Let alone P's extravagances like hotels and and security, plus little trips to Prague to make videos no one sees.

and while Prince was giving his albums away, Bon Jovi were selling a couple of million.

Bob Jovi are number one at the bank thats for sure.

Well i have to agrree on that, im a fan of both, but the facts are just that, i mean its not like either is ever gonna see "hard times" but BJ has "McCartney Estate" like money, he did his business right. And of course peoples come backs will be "his music sucks" ok so where is that in this topic? Tpain Sucks but outsells Prince, is that relevant in arguments?

SquirrelMeat said:

I'm no Bon Jovi fan, but they own P on this one.

Bon Jovi tickets are THREE times the price of Prince. Even if Prince did 36 nights to match the same sales turnover, Bon Jovi would still be much more profitable because their overheads on venue alone would be a third of P's. Let alone P's extravagances like hotels and and security, plus little trips to Prague to make videos no one sees.

and while Prince was giving his albums away, Bon Jovi were selling a couple of million.

Bob Jovi are number one at the bank thats for sure.

let's not forget that Prince took home all the money for the aftershows as well though. Even the ones he didn't perform at.

Militant said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I'm no Bon Jovi fan, but they own P on this one.

Bon Jovi tickets are THREE times the price of Prince. Even if Prince did 36 nights to match the same sales turnover, Bon Jovi would still be much more profitable because their overheads on venue alone would be a third of P's. Let alone P's extravagances like hotels and and security, plus little trips to Prague to make videos no one sees.

and while Prince was giving his albums away, Bon Jovi were selling a couple of million.

Bob Jovi are number one at the bank thats for sure.

let's not forget that Prince took home all the money for the aftershows as well though. Even the ones he didn't perform at.

True, but that would have netted only him about £250,000 and he probably blew than flying to Prague, shutting the charles Bridge and filming a video no one would see.

Bless him!

dreamfactory313 said:

ernestsewell said:

Michael Jackson sold out 50. Now sit down.

Thank you!!

Marrk said:

Dreamer2 said:

So it's true they .....lost ......Prince still owns the o2 .....

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/neilmccormick/100008410/are-led-zeppelin-really-the-best-band-ever/

Who da man!

Somebody sold out 50 nights as i recall. So whoever that masked man was, i guess they could be classed as 'da man'.

glad someone said it!

SquirrelMeat said:

I'm no Bon Jovi fan, but they own P on this one.

Bon Jovi tickets are THREE times the price of Prince. Even if Prince did 36 nights to match the same sales turnover, Bon Jovi would still be much more profitable because their overheads on venue alone would be a third of P's. Let alone P's extravagances like hotels and and security, plus little trips to Prague to make videos no one sees.

and while Prince was giving his albums away, Bon Jovi were selling a couple of million.

Bob Jovi are number one at the bank thats for sure.

but that's irrelevant, as prince was paid a set fee to perform. you don't know the arrangement with bon jovi. even though some tickets were higher priced, they could have got less money per show to play. and i'm sure the band members got a better share than in prince's band, so prince probably got more money per night to himself than jon bon jovi

and prince wouldn't have blown all his money on hookers and booze and drugs, he would have had a vegan meal, and went home and counted all his money before praying to jehova and going to bed alone

the reason prince can make videos in prague is because he don't pay his bills. and the video was actually shown on BET, so people did see it. just not you cuz your a bon jovi fan

unique said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I'm no Bon Jovi fan, but they own P on this one.

Bon Jovi tickets are THREE times the price of Prince. Even if Prince did 36 nights to match the same sales turnover, Bon Jovi would still be much more profitable because their overheads on venue alone would be a third of P's. Let alone P's extravagances like hotels and and security, plus little trips to Prague to make videos no one sees.

and while Prince was giving his albums away, Bon Jovi were selling a couple of million.

Bob Jovi are number one at the bank thats for sure.

but that's irrelevant, as prince was paid a set fee to perform. you don't know the arrangement with bon jovi. even though some tickets were higher priced, they could have got less money per show to play. and i'm sure the band members got a better share than in prince's band, so prince probably got more money per night to himself than jon bon jovi

and prince wouldn't have blown all his money on hookers and booze and drugs, he would have had a vegan meal, and went home and counted all his money before praying to jehova and going to bed alone

the reason prince can make videos in prague is because he don't pay his bills. and the video was actually shown on BET, so people did see it. just not you cuz your a bon jovi fan

First of all, NO ONE knows anyones set-up per say, ANY artist doing a show pays the venue X amount of money, for any kind of show, afterparty, autograph signing etc..no one gets 100% of the money, where is the business in that? ANd last time i checked i believe the poster stated he wasnt a Jovi fan, but, as always the defense when someone disagrees is "oh your a fan". ANd also last time i checked Jovi hadnt blown any money on anything, where was this memo on him getting hookers and drugs and losing money, you must have him confused with Motley Crue or Guns N Roses.

lastdecember said:

unique said:

but that's irrelevant, as prince was paid a set fee to perform. you don't know the arrangement with bon jovi. even though some tickets were higher priced, they could have got less money per show to play. and i'm sure the band members got a better share than in prince's band, so prince probably got more money per night to himself than jon bon jovi

and prince wouldn't have blown all his money on hookers and booze and drugs, he would have had a vegan meal, and went home and counted all his money before praying to jehova and going to bed alone

the reason prince can make videos in prague is because he don't pay his bills. and the video was actually shown on BET, so people did see it. just not you cuz your a bon jovi fan

First of all, NO ONE knows anyones set-up per say, ANY artist doing a show pays the venue X amount of money, for any kind of show, afterparty, autograph signing etc..no one gets 100% of the money, where is the business in that? ANd last time i checked i believe the poster stated he wasnt a Jovi fan, but, as always the defense when someone disagrees is "oh your a fan". ANd also last time i checked Jovi hadnt blown any money on anything, where was this memo on him getting hookers and drugs and losing money, you must have him confused with Motley Crue or Guns N Roses.

it doesn't work like that. the promotor pays the venue and pays the artist, sells the tickets and takes the money. just like your employer pays you a wage and you do work and your employer sells goods or services and keeps the money from the sale, but pays cost out of it. the artists are basically just employees for hire comaparitively

as for the rest, those are the rules of rock and roll, and not just some made up shit i just made up for shits and giggles

unique said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I'm no Bon Jovi fan, but they own P on this one.

Bon Jovi tickets are THREE times the price of Prince. Even if Prince did 36 nights to match the same sales turnover, Bon Jovi would still be much more profitable because their overheads on venue alone would be a third of P's. Let alone P's extravagances like hotels and and security, plus little trips to Prague to make videos no one sees.

and while Prince was giving his albums away, Bon Jovi were selling a couple of million.

Bob Jovi are number one at the bank thats for sure.

your a bon jovi fan

I'm shot through the heart, and you're to blame.