The irony is that sometimes the most powerful people in the world become a casualty of the own power, and become the most vunerable.

Reel said:

Reel, Randy is everything but sincere. Just like Poppa Joe, there's nothing good about him.

What is so preventable? Michael's insomnia problem? If you're talking about the drug addiction thing I invite you to read the autopsy report (if you can read one).

The brothers admitted on LK live that they weren't aware whether MJ was a junkie or not. We all know, by now, that the interventions stories are lies invented to save face. So, don't go there.

Whatever Randy says, think the contrary.

silverchild said:

It wasn't live, but GAWD MJ's voice during that era was like silk.

Layzie said:

It was. 1975-1979 was an important period for Michael's vocal development and creative integrity.

luv4ever said:

MJ stated in 1993, SEVENTEEN YEARS AGO, that he had a problem with drugs FOR A FEW MONTHS AND THEN WENT TO REHAB. Just because two decades ago the guy had a problem with drugs for some months doesn't mean he died because of it or that he struggle endlessly with drugs, images the family perpetuates.


I couldn't care less if Joe Jackson is a 80 or a 15 years old. That shouldn't be an excuse for the monster he was, is and will be. STOP GIVING THE MAN A PASS. I don't care if he is black, pink or white. I don't care if he is a new born or an old person. NOTHING excuses him. NOTHING. He is an absolute hideous person. May Satan be declared saint next to that son of a bitch. And, yes, I do know that he is 80. And, yes, evenn with that in mind I still tell the truth about him.

MOL said:

MOL, whew well thats a load off my back that someone on this thread actually knew FOR A FACT that the Jacksons never did anything to save their brother / son. Well since YOU have stated this as a fact, then I will no longer ever even conceive to believe Janet Jackson, or even Depak Chopra for that matter. No one of Michaels family members or friends ever attempted any intervention....Wow MOL thanks for shedding light on that one for us...Oh great knowledgable one!

This is bitter sweet!

Reel said:

I'm so great, aren't I?

Dear Reel,

why did Dr. Ionache, Tom Meserau, Chief Kay, MJ's bodyguards, Raymone Bay and others claimed Michael was NOT a drug addict? Why did the autopsy report confirmed it?

Interestingly enough: the people I've mentioned actually...huh, err...had contact with Michael! Just a curiosity as you might have understood. Obviously, a minor fact, isn't it?

Another minor fact: the Jacksons confessed they had absolutely NO contact with Michael. Just another minor fact from a big, raging Jackson family hater!!!

The brothers themselves confirmed they had NO proof MJ was a drug addict. The brothers themselves confirmed the only reason they thought MJ was a junkie was because he refused to have contact with them so, therefore, they assumed he was "hiding something". The Jacksons themselves confirmed that they only think Jackson was a junkie because they heard it from "sources" (Leo Leo Rowe and Big Ole Poppa Joe [who BTW NEVER spanked Michael, okay?]).

Why do you think the Jacksons never give a timeline for the "interventions"? Why did the Jacksons FORMALLY DENIED, in 2007 and 2008, that MJ was a drug addict (remember the signed letter)?

Shall you Reel, battle such evidence. Ohhh, an advice: Joe Jackson was just old school, okay?



You don't have to thank. I'm THAT amazing! I know it!

Oh, Reel: Janet says MJ was a druggie and bases her claims on the fact that he took Propofol. Shall Janet- and you- know that a Propofol addict can't even move and, yet, there are over 100 hours of tapes of MJ rehearsing. See, that's where one (preferentially a person whose IQ is higher than 20) catches Janet LYING!

Just a small thought for you to dismiss (since I'm such a Jackson family hater...they are SO undeserving of any hate!!!): why would people who abandon their children (here comes amazingly sincere Randy), who are sex addicts, jobless, penniless, "moralless", greedy to the core, wife and sons abusers, deadbeats et cetera care about a brother? Ohhh oops: they were hounding "junkie brother" MJ to do a reunion tour.

You make it easy!
[Edited 5/28/10 12:13pm]

MOL said:[quote]

Reel said:

At this stage in this discussion I'm going to invoke the quote attributed to Mark Twain in that I will not argue with a fool, lest onlookers be unable to differentiate.

Reel said:

At this point of the discussion, I'll quote Saramago (whom you probably don't know who he is): "The ones who don't have arguments (and know the others are right), will always try to quickly end a discussion by making the other look bad and, discretly, leave the conversation." (Said by Bartolomeu Gusmão in Baltasar and Blimunda)

I proved to you, A+B, that MJ was not a drug addict. Knowing that full well, you immediately refuse to continue the conversation while trying to make me look bad. Reel: you better end the discussion for your own sake.
[Edited 5/28/10 12:19pm]

ViintageJunkiie said:

MJ songs will live forever...

Lady Nada's songs will die sonner or later.

That's the difference.

I love Lady Gaga, but let's be honest:

The Fame & The Fame Monster are not the same album. Seven from the same album is an exaggeration. Also, doing it in 2010 is different than in the heydey of the 80's.

ViintageJunkiie said:

But aren't the fame and fame monster two seperate albums?

Layzie said:

Yeppers, they are. So their arguemnt is invalid (as assumed). Lady Gaga is talented...but let's face it...it ain't s**t that will be remembered 20-25 years from now...Thriller lives forever..it will be remembered forever....and it's STILL THE NUMBER ONE SELLING ALBUM OF ALL TIME.

Michael Jackson 4ever, y'all! ~ah hee hee~






Case Closed.
[Edited 5/28/10 12:46pm]

Layzie said:

It really depends on how you view it. Technically, The Fame Monster IS a brand new album, BUT since it came packaged with The Fame, they count it as an "extension" to The Fame

Reel said:

Fans are skeptical because all the siblings have different takes on it. Tito said that the interventions happened years ago back in the 90s (during the 1993 case when Michael had collapsed and was hospitalized), Jermaine said they never took place, Janet said that several happened but at the same time she and Michael would go for years without talking. Not to mention the siblings were all trying to get him to do the reunion show in Texas

It's all one big mess and people have their own sides of what was happening in the family

bboy87 said:

Hey I'm going to speculate that perhaps the siblings denied it because they did not want to fuel the rumors and tabloid speculation. Maybe all 8 (or however many) of them were not a part of the intervention. That doesn't mean that some of them never attempted. Also it was reported on some news outlet (I just cant recall which one) that in one instance they were turned away at the gate by security.

Reel said:

They could never enter MJ's house. NEVER. And taht is one of the reasons as to why they think MJ was an addict; they saw that refusal to have contact as Michael "hiding something" from them.

MOL said:

Do you know why they were stopped by security? I've read reports about that one, and it does leave suspicion. I will not conclude that its drug addiction, because I don't know. However, I will say this: There has been reports that he was in great shape the day before he died.

angel345 said:

MJ's bodyguards (Mike Le Purré, for example) said Michael was sick and tired of being hounded for reunion tours. He even said that Michaael refused to answer the phone whenever family members phoned and that he told his bodyguards not to tell his brothers he was in the same building as them because he didn't want to be pressured for reunion tours.

Purré finished saying that Michael completely refused to let his family enter his house since he could no longer put up with being hounded for reunion toures by the Jacksons.

You can watch his interview in Access Hollywood.

Reel said:

It's a lot of speculation, that's why it's so messy right now

Tito and Rebbie are saying the interventions happened back in the early 90s or in 2000/2001

Jermaine saying none happened recently

LaToya and Randy are saying he was murdered and that there are more people behind it

Jackie and Marlon aren't saying much except they want the full story before concluding to anything

Janet is saying that there were meetings but then says she hadn't seen Michael in years (before her birthday party, it had been 3 or 4 years since she had last seen him)

then there was that thing with Leonard Rowe and AllGood Entertainment (who is now suing the estate for $300 million)

and the autopsy says he was in good health

so it's like a big whirpool or speculation
[Edited 5/28/10 16:31pm]

bboy87 said:

The bottom line is that Michael Jackson was abusing drugs. He was abusing a prescription anethesia and died because of it. Thats what EVERYONE does know. Now, again it would not be out of this world to speculate and even conclude that some family members tried to reach out to their brother. Perhaps some did not.

Tuesday, 30th March 2010 at 11:44 am
University Games signs Michael Jackson

Deal with Bravado will see the firm launch a line of games, puzzles and Colorforms featuring the pop star

The puzzle collection will replicate iconic images from albums and live performances. The first wave of products will launch this year in the US, Canada, the UK and Europe.

Tom Bennett, chief executive officer of Bravado commented: “We are delighted to expand our successful line of Michael Jackson collectible memorabilia by working with Bob Moog and his innovative team at University Games.

“These new games, puzzles and activities truly celebrate Michael’s life and his love of games. Bringing in University Games as a licensee helps commemorate and preserve the legacy that is Michael Jackson.”

Bob Moog, president of University Games, added: “We will honour his talent and his passion for games and Colorforms by delivering amazing products that share his zest for fun with fans and children.”


http://www.toynews-online...el-Jackson

bboy87 said:

With regards to interventions etc, the fact that these reports first came to light many many many years before Michael's recent death has to at least open the possibility that they took place. I had heard of his family flying to places like Miami and Vegas to try these interventions over concern over the amount of alcohol michael was taking and pain medication.

I think the family were sincere in their wanting their brother to be alright. I also think some family members probably thought if they helped Michael he would help in return with a reunion tour etc. The sad part is that no matter what their intentions Michael's first reaction it appears was to think they were hounding him for money, favours or tours (and precedent lays this out) but the tragedy may have been at times he was shutting them out when they wanted to put aside any gain for themselves and just support and help him.

Reel said:

Reel, I'll explain it again. This time slowlier:

1. MJ had an insomnia problem, therefore, hired a doctor to put him to sleep safely so that he wouldn't feel tired the next. He did this in the HIStory tour as well. He wasn't a drug addict, he simply wanted to sleep.
2. MJ was NOT taking any drugs other than Propofol and related anesthetics (administered with Propofol). He was NOT abusing Propofol. Otherwise, he wouldn't even be able to move.
3. MJ died because Dr. Murray administerd 40 times more Propofol than he should have, didn0t give an IV grip and performed CPR on a bed. MJ simply wanted to sleep since he was an insomniac and Murray gave him 40x more Propofol than he should have.
4. MJ's autopsy report confirmed that he was a healthy man whose body was strong and showed no trace of short or long term drug addiction.
5. Don't get me started on the family. The "reached out for their brother BS" is not for people of my age. Try the pompous Dinasty reality show forum.

Informed people know full well MJ was not abusing drugs. Once again, you made things too easy. You can quote Twain, though you know FULL WELL I'm right.

I don't get how anyone can buy into the "family tried to help him" talk when there's been so much shadiness from the family themselves. Didn't Randy fuck up MJ's finances when he took over MJ's affiars while MJ was on trial? Or wasn't Randy the one trying to get MJ to sell the catalogue? And we saw how Joe acted once This Is It came together. There's too much fuckedness from the family to take them too seriously on what happened with MJ. It's like of course they're going to make themselves look good.

mookie said:

Finally someone intelligent. Thank you.



The fans who defend the family have a short memory.