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Printablethat HIStory tour recollection was really nice to read, and nice pic
I'm looking forward to this album too though I initially thought any new music would make me upset. I would feel upset listening to This Is It and Another Day upon first hearing them and feel creeped out listening to him with him being gone. | |
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Reel said: whatsgoingon said: But they are not the only children that has happened to. I remember when Elvis died LMP was about 9 years and the seriousness of her father drug addiction was splashed across the media, as well as the way he died-doing a poo on the toilet!! I personally believe it is more disturbing for those children to hear that MJ was not their biological father, especially if it is true and MJ didn't bother to tell them before he died. [Edited 5/28/10 20:24pm] Damn Whatsgoingon...see you went where I wanted to go but wouldn't. Now those kids are no way Michael's kids. I doubt that he told the kids because I think he mighta wanted to believe that they were himself. I think he wanted no parts of the Joe Jackson bloodline or the African American bloodline for that matter. You got his dermatologist saying on national TV "uhhh I don't think those are my kids, but I have made a few sperm donations in the past". Hey the bottom line is that Michael loved those kids as his own. So I consider them his kids although not biologically. And for all the rift raft that's about to come at me for my statement....NO I don't have any DNA evidence of this. I just have OLD PICTURES of Michael Jackson when he looked like a black man instead of a like a white woman. And I have pictures of the children. I really can't stand when some, but not all, white people (or really people in general) have to jump in and question MJ's blackness. That really gets on my nerves.  | |
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Layzie said: NastradumasKid said: Please leave me alone bboy87, I'm really not in the mood for all that right now.   Thank you. I appreciate that.  | |
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bboy87 said: Reel said: Damn Whatsgoingon...see you went where I wanted to go but wouldn't. Now those kids are no way Michael's kids. I doubt that he told the kids because I think he mighta wanted to believe that they were himself. I think he wanted no parts of the Joe Jackson bloodline or the African American bloodline for that matter. You got his dermatologist saying on national TV "uhhh I don't think those are my kids, but I have made a few sperm donations in the past". Hey the bottom line is that Michael loved those kids as his own. So I consider them his kids although not biologically. And for all the rift raft that's about to come at me for my statement....NO I don't have any DNA evidence of this. I just have OLD PICTURES of Michael Jackson when he looked like a black man instead of a like a white woman. And I have pictures of the children. I'm not gonna dispute or debate with ya because I respect your opinion but after finding out Martin Gore was half black, anything's possible
and that dermatologist...meh
[Edited 5/28/10 20:43pm] The thing is that we have not seen Martin Gore's biological father. Just because his father was black doesn't mean he was not a very fair / light looking black man. I wish I had a "colored" photo of my grandfather and my cousin. Both black men, one with green eyes, one with blue eyes both with relatively straight hair. Now you take one of those men, and have them impregnate a Caucasian woman, that child would not look black at all. But in Michael's instance, we have seen how brown Michael's skin complexion was as a child. I really believe if he was those children's biological parents we would see some small bit of evidence of this in them. They do not look ultra dynamite white, but not biracial. Sorry. Maybe they are like white and Portuguese, or Brazillian or something. If I were those kids, I'd take a lock of Katherine and Joe's hair while I still had the chance, and do the DNA testing for myself when I was an adult. Somebody needs to sneak that message to them. LOL Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that? | |
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Reel said: bboy87 said: I'm not gonna dispute or debate with ya because I respect your opinion but after finding out Martin Gore was half black, anything's possible
and that dermatologist...meh
[Edited 5/28/10 20:43pm] The thing is that we have not seen Martin Gore's biological father. Just because his father was black doesn't mean he was not a very fair / light looking black man. I wish I had a "colored" photo of my grandfather and my cousin. Both black men, one with green eyes, one with blue eyes both with relatively straight hair. Now you take one of those men, and have them impregnate a Caucasian woman, that child would not look black at all. But in Michael's instance, we have seen how brown Michael's skin complexion was as a child. I really believe if he was those children's biological parents we would see some small bit of evidence of this in them. They do not look ultra dynamite white, but not biracial. Sorry. Maybe they are like white and Portuguese, or Brazillian or something. If I were those kids, I'd take a lock of Katherine and Joe's hair while I still had the chance, and do the DNA testing for myself when I was an adult. Somebody needs to sneak that message to them. LOL yeah, but biracial kids don't always have the same features. If Gore's father was a dark skinned, nappy haired brotha, that would be something [Edited 5/28/10 21:41pm] "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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Reel said: bboy87 said: I'm not gonna dispute or debate with ya because I respect your opinion but after finding out Martin Gore was half black, anything's possible
and that dermatologist...meh
[Edited 5/28/10 20:43pm] The thing is that we have not seen Martin Gore's biological father. Just because his father was black doesn't mean he was not a very fair / light looking black man. I wish I had a "colored" photo of my grandfather and my cousin. Both black men, one with green eyes, one with blue eyes both with relatively straight hair. Now you take one of those men, and have them impregnate a Caucasian woman, that child would not look black at all. But in Michael's instance, we have seen how brown Michael's skin complexion was as a child. I really believe if he was those children's biological parents we would see some small bit of evidence of this in them. They do not look ultra dynamite white, but not biracial. Sorry. Maybe they are like white and Portuguese, or Brazillian or something. If I were those kids, I'd take a lock of Katherine and Joe's hair while I still had the chance, and do the DNA testing for myself when I was an adult. Somebody needs to sneak that message to them. LOL I don't know about that.I had a friend in school that was black,and his mother was white. I was young,and unaware of biracial people,so I actually had to ask him if that really was his Mom,and he looked at me shocked,and responded with "of course she is". I think there are some instances where a biracial couple can have a child that is either white,black or a little bit of both in skin tone. Just my  Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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The Japanese know how to do a Michael Jackson marathon
http://www.wowow.co.jp/music/mj/ Legend of The King Of Pop HIStory Tour in Munich 30th Anniversary Celebration Ghosts The Making Of Ghosts This Is It Best Hits Legends Hopefully someone will upload the whole marathon to Youtube "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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pictures of the belt the kids signed
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Michael Jackson Estate -- MJ Belts Are Bogus!
Originally posted 45 minutes ago by TMZ Staff An extremely fancy belt commemorating Michael Jackson -- and allegedly "sanctioned" by Joe Jackson and Katherine Jackson -- can be yours for the bargain basement price of $1,500 -- problem is ... the whole thing may be illegal. 0526_jacksons_WM_EX4 Check out this picture we got -- showing Joe and Katherine Jackson signing one of the belts ... and according to the official website promoting the belts, MJ's three kids -- Prince, Paris, and Blanket -- also signed their names. Here's the problem. The belts feature several images trademarked by Michael Jackson -- including dancing feet, MJ's silhouette and the MJ crest -- and MJ's estate must authorize any commercial use of those trademarks, as well as MJ's name or image. So of course we called MJ estate lawyer Howard Weitzman, who said the belts were news to him and that the executors never authorized the sale. Weitzman says, "The Trustees of the Estate of Michael Jackson did not authorize the making or the sale of the Michael Jackson Tribute Belts." Weitzman continues, "We would never condone the use of Michael's children's signatures to promote the sale of merchandise." We haven't found out who's behind the website ... but Jerry Olivarez, a PR guy and friend of the Jackson family, has been touting the sale of the belts. We're told the site goes live today and 7,000 belts will go up for sale. And, there will be an auction for the belt signed by Joe, Katherine, and the kids -- opening bid is $5 grand. Attempts to speak with Olivarez were unsuccessful. Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0p7MHNHzb "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: pictures of the belt the kids signed
I read that it might be illegal for them to be trying to auction or sell those belts. Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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EmeraldSkies said: I read that it might be illegal for them to be trying to auction or sell those belts. Supposedly the site selling or auctioning these belts is offline now. Yay! [Edited 5/28/10 22:10pm] [Edited 5/28/10 22:10pm] | |
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mookie said: EmeraldSkies said: I read that it might be illegal for them to be trying to auction or sell those belts. Supposedly the site selling or auctioning these belts is offline now. Yay! [Edited 5/28/10 22:10pm] [Edited 5/28/10 22:10pm] It's only offline for maintanance. It will be back. Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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EmeraldSkies said: mookie said: Supposedly the site selling or auctioning these belts is offline now. Yay! [Edited 5/28/10 22:10pm] [Edited 5/28/10 22:10pm] It's only offline for maintanance. It will be back. just like that J5Secrets site.... "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: EmeraldSkies said: It's only offline for maintanance. It will be back. just like that J5Secrets site.... I have never been to that website,is it no good? Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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EmeraldSkies said: bboy87 said: just like that J5Secrets site.... I have never been to that website,is it no good? it has some cool stuff (lyrics to unreleased pictures, pictures of the family on stage and off) but it's the matter of who the site belongs to... "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: Reel said: [/b]
The sad thing about people who have advanced drug addiction issues, is that the brain is literally hijacked, and the brain literally by any means necessary will delude the addict into protecting their addiction. For example, oftentimes people begin to experience physical pain, because the brain is trying to tell the body to continue to introduce the drug, when in reality there is no real pain. In Michael's case he shut almost EVERYONE out of his life. This is the thing that addicts do. And they JUSTIFY the reasons why. In his case it is reported that he didn't want to see his family because they were going to try to encourage him to tour. Wow, so this is good enough reason to shut them out of your life forever? No, that was the junkie in Michael talking so that he could preserve the addiction. Now let me be clear in advance. I will NOT debate the FACT that Michael Jackson was addicted to drugs. NO WAY so if anyone is going to respond by denying that he was an addict, tell that story walking because I'm not responding. I don't think he had completely shut them out because he was in regular contact with his mother, father (to some extent), and some of the siblings If he did have an addiction in his later life, I want people to understand how and why but many people want to use the situation to demonize him. This wasn't some guy who used this stuff as recreation. This was someone who was stone cold against drugs but because of his health issues (the burn incident, lupus, vitiligo, and insomnia) and the stress the 1993 case caused, he became addicted but we don't know fully what was going on these past couple of years after the 2005 trial so we should keep an open mind [Edited 5/28/10 18:10pm] Boy, I love you...thank you for this piece of sanity. A reasonable, understanding fan, that's what you are. And thank you for the lovely photos you posted... | |
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bboy87 said: Reel said: [/b]
The sad thing about people who have advanced drug addiction issues, is that the brain is literally hijacked, and the brain literally by any means necessary will delude the addict into protecting their addiction. For example, oftentimes people begin to experience physical pain, because the brain is trying to tell the body to continue to introduce the drug, when in reality there is no real pain. In Michael's case he shut almost EVERYONE out of his life. This is the thing that addicts do. And they JUSTIFY the reasons why. In his case it is reported that he didn't want to see his family because they were going to try to encourage him to tour. Wow, so this is good enough reason to shut them out of your life forever? No, that was the junkie in Michael talking so that he could preserve the addiction. Now let me be clear in advance. I will NOT debate the FACT that Michael Jackson was addicted to drugs. NO WAY so if anyone is going to respond by denying that he was an addict, tell that story walking because I'm not responding. I don't think he had completely shut them out because he was in regular contact with his mother, father (to some extent), and some of the siblings If he did have an addiction in his later life, I want people to understand how and why but many people want to use the situation to demonize him. This wasn't some guy who used this stuff as recreation. This was someone who was stone cold against drugs but because of his health issues (the burn incident, lupus, vitiligo, and insomnia) and the stress the 1993 case caused, he became addicted but we don't know fully what was going on these past couple of years after the 2005 trial so we should keep an open mind [Edited 5/28/10 18:10pm] Boy, I love you...thank you for this piece of sanity. A reasonable, understanding fan, that's what you are. And thank you for the lovely photos you posted... | |
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bboy87 said: EmeraldSkies said: I have never been to that website,is it no good? it has some cool stuff (lyrics to unreleased pictures, pictures of the family on stage and off) but it's the matter of who the site belongs to... Who does the site belong to? I googled to try to find the site,and I came across a post in another message board that mentioned that you have to pay to register? Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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EmeraldSkies said: bboy87 said: it has some cool stuff (lyrics to unreleased pictures, pictures of the family on stage and off) but it's the matter of who the site belongs to... Who does the site belong to? I googled to try to find the site,and I came across a post in another message board that mentioned that you have to pay to register? Henry Vacarro 
yeah you have to pay 5 dollars...but I didn't  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: EmeraldSkies said: Who does the site belong to? I googled to try to find the site,and I came across a post in another message board that mentioned that you have to pay to register? Henry Vacarro
yeah you have to pay 5 dollars...but I didn't Ah..  [Edited 5/28/10 23:02pm] Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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Outrageous claims
Posted on » Tuesday, May 18, 2010 Nowhere else in the world would someone be able to stand up and call someone a pimp, a child abuser and a thief without a shred of evidence and get away with it. The fact that the accuser is a Member of Parliament is all the more deplorable. To make such public statements without any foundation is outrageous and he should not be too surprised if he receives notification that he is being sued in the American courts for slander. Obviously on this particular occasion the MP thinks that by making these disgraceful and cowardly accusations against the deceased Michael Jackson, he will in some way ingratiate himself with the powers that be. I would only hope that the powers that be in Bahrain are not so easily fooled, and realize that the MP is tarnishing their own image by association, and distance themselves from him. In case there is any doubt, charges of child abuse against Jackson were never proven. In addition, the failure of a business deal does not permit some sycophantic publicity seeking MP to label Jackson a thief. As for the statement that he was a pimp - on what basis is he making this statement? Maybe it's time to put something a little less potent in the Sheesha As if that wasn't enough he then goes on to say that all singers are empty and hollow. Who is this man and in what century was he raised? Beware Bahrain - this man, and people like him, are shaping your future. If I were you I would be afraid. Very afraid. M. Culkin http://www.gulf-daily-new...yid=278231 "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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MyLuv229 said: Reel said: I don't think it was ever a "natural thing" for a grown man to allow kids to sleep over his home unless he himself had kids for them to play with. Michael himself was doing all the playing. That was pathological and has been for a great many years. As a matter of fact the word pedophile does not necessarily always connotate being of a "sexual" nature like we use it today, but it comes from the meaning of the adult having "an un-natural or pathological love for kids". Playing grounds are never level when adults play with kids, unless the adult is consciously playing the role of the teacher. Michael needed someone to stand up to him and tell him to cut that shit out. I remember even Smokey Robinson supporting Michael Jackson during the last sex trial and saying, I wish that he would not put himself in this predicament by playing around with little boys. I recall Janet and crazy sounding Latoya giving interviews after the first child sex scandal basically saying the same thing. Michael was going to do what he wanted with kids regardless of what anyone told him. Now I'm not saying that things went sexual at least I truly hope that they did'nt, but it was definitly pathological for an 40 year old man to be playing around with little boys. Even going so far as to mention that he wanted to be burried with children. Thanks Joe Jackson! [Edited 5/27/10 12:20pm] Out of curiosity, how many of you actually read the court transcripts of the trial? Because I recall Gavin saying he was angry at Michael because he cut him off in 2000 after he was fully treated from cancer. It's not like Micael was trying to keep him around for fun or play time. He was only called back to appear in the Bashir documentary and then again for the rebuttal video. I don't think he was "playing around" with him. I don't follow media stories, but hold judgement until I see evidence. I do recall him playing around with a group of kids during water balloon fights, but it's not him alone with any child. Also, many parents were questioned and they've all said that they gave their kids permission and Michael was nothing more than a big brother or a father figure to them all. Heck, even Gavin said he was upset when Michael stopped talking to him in 2000 because it felt like he was losing a father. I don't think Michael is the only strange one. I think some people's obsession with celebrities and the expectation to continue having them in our lives (especially if they're covering our expenses) is just as pathological. Also, I just want to end off with one more thing... the whole children this and children that is also a huge part of Michael's Peter Pan image. All these assumptions we make are based on data that Michael's presents. In actuality, there are many private reports about Michael just being a regular guy, flirting with girls, reading books, etc. But no, we only see the "pathological" man. [Edited 5/27/10 19:30pm] this a very intelligent post. | |
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Reel said: kibbles said: i didn't say it was criminal, but they or others can be held civilly liable not just by the estate but the company that the estate has given exclusive rights to to produce mj merchandise. bravado has paid for the rights to market mj's image, and you can believe they don't give a damn about these being mj's parents. *they* have paid money. you are categorically wrong about a 'cease and desist' order not being given any merit. it happens all the time. just b/c mj didn't go after his parents for their dirty dealing, doesn't mean this company won't defend their rights. it's done all the time; shit gets shut down ALL THE TIME. Kibbles well I guess we'll just have to wait and see...won't we? yeah, smarty pants, i guess *you* will b/c unlike you i didn't need to be nostradamus to see this coming.
Estate challenges Michael Jackson belt tribute http://www.cnn.com/2010/S...=allsearch A spokesman for the trustees who control Michael Jackson's estate said designer belts produced under a contract with the pop icon's parents were not authorized. Asked if there would be legal action to stop the marketing of the belts, estate spokesman Jim Bates said it was undecided. Another company, Bravado, has a contract with the estate to market Michael Jackson merchandise, Bates said. A representative of the company marketing the belt said Katherine Jackson, the late pop star's mother, cleared the deal with the trustees. The sale has been put on hold while lawyers discuss a solution, he said. [Edited 5/29/10 0:37am] | |
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EmeraldSkies said: bboy87 said: updates from smoothcriminal_05 on MJJC about the new album
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 [Edited 5/29/10 1:11am] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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kibbles said: Reel said: [/b]
Kibbles well I guess we'll just have to wait and see...won't we? yeah, smarty pants, i guess *you* will b[b]/c unlike you i didn't need to be nostradamus to see this coming. [/b]
Estate challenges Michael Jackson belt tribute http://www.cnn.com/2010/S...=allsearch A spokesman for the trustees who control Michael Jackson's estate said designer belts produced under a contract with the pop icon's parents were not authorized. Asked if there would be legal action to stop the marketing of the belts, estate spokesman Jim Bates said it was undecided. Another company, Bravado, has a contract with the estate to market Michael Jackson merchandise, Bates said. A representative of the company marketing the belt said Katherine Jackson, the late pop star's mother, cleared the deal with the trustees. The sale has been put on hold while lawyers discuss a solution, he said. [Edited 5/29/10 0:37am] That Nostradamus line was cute and all, but your point is? It's on hold, not abandoned. LOL Gosh. Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that? | |
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bboy87 said:  That´s a hot picture. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Reel said: kibbles said: yeah, smarty pants, i guess *you* will b[b]/c unlike you i didn't need to be nostradamus to see this coming. [/b]
Estate challenges Michael Jackson belt tribute http://www.cnn.com/2010/S...=allsearch A spokesman for the trustees who control Michael Jackson's estate said designer belts produced under a contract with the pop icon's parents were not authorized. Asked if there would be legal action to stop the marketing of the belts, estate spokesman Jim Bates said it was undecided. the point was your ridiculous assertion that nothing was going to come of this. stop with your backpeddaling b.s. Another company, Bravado, has a contract with the estate to market Michael Jackson merchandise, Bates said. A representative of the company marketing the belt said Katherine Jackson, the late pop star's mother, cleared the deal with the trustees. The sale has been put on hold while lawyers discuss a solution, he said. [Edited 5/29/10 0:37am] That Nostradamus line was cute and all, but your point is? It's on hold, not abandoned. LOL Gosh. | |
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kibbles said: Reel said: That Nostradamus line was cute and all, but your point is? It's on hold, not abandoned. LOL Gosh. the point was your ridiculous assertion "Michael Jackson's biological parents hardly need permission from some lawyer executor of his estate to exploit their dead son, and hock goods with false signatures of his kids" is patently false. they obviously *do* need permission and it is only *on hold* b/c this company doesn't want to tangle with the executors. why would they need to hold anything if they didn't need to discuss it with the executors, and how could the executors give them pause to stop if they didn't have standing to do so. stop the backpeddaling and own up to your own b.s. statement. LOL i hate stupid people. | |
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kibbles said: kibbles said: the point was your ridiculous assertion "Michael Jackson's biological parents hardly need permission from some lawyer executor of his estate to exploit their dead son, and hock goods with false signatures of his kids" is patently false. they obviously *do* need permission and it is only *on hold* b/c this company doesn't want to tangle with the executors. why would they need to hold anything if they didn't need to discuss it with the executors, and how could the executors give them pause to stop if they didn't have standing to do so. stop the backpeddaling and own up to your own b.s. statement. LOL i hate stupid people. Hole up...hole up. You just proved my point right there. I was just too occupied to go into a long song and dance about it eariler. Who is to say what the exact reason is for the hold up in production and distribution? Perhaps the company that produces the belts are getting nervous about the production without legal authorization. The company that makes the belts CAN IN FACT BE SUED. Katherine Jackson getting sued by the estate of her own son....poppy cock. So like I said yesterday, hold your horses Big Guns until this entire thing plays out. And what's with the name calling? Are you some kind of a juvenille or something? [Edited 5/29/10 2:31am] Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that? | |
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bboy87 said: another snippet of Another Day leaked
but that DJ signature thing ruins it  Where is it? Do you have a link? Is it much different from the initial leak? |
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