MyNameIsPiper said:

musicjunky318 said:

I agree and disagree with bits and pieces of what some of you guys have been saying. To broaden the spectrum outside of the org... I think what pisses people off primarily is just the simple fact that she's on top and has been pretty much scandal-free for 10+ years now. I'm sure there are millions who would love nothing more than to see Beyonce fall from grace. It's human nature and a common phenomenon, especially in America. It's not really about the music itself, it's more about the praise and recognition many feel she undeservedly receives from it. You know, she's not good enough to have 16 Grammys already. Why is she everywhere? It ticks people off but that's understandable. It comes with the territory. No one devotes threads like this to Ashanti because she's not seen as a threat. Beyonce is the #1 black female in the game right now and with that brings the expected shade.

Or people genuinely don't like her as am artist.

Bullshit, there's nothing genuine about bashing her private life, her family, or even her race (subtly)...

Moonbeam said:

I'm white. I can't stand Beyonce, and I'm probably one of the most guilty of "hating" her on this site. Her music drives me up the wall and makes me want to throw things at my TV. I can't help it! Does that make me a racist?

It always amazes me how (white) folks waste so much time hating on black artists... It's funny because we (black people) waste no time talking about white artists we don't like... We just don't care...

Ask yourself why, if it has nothing to do with race ????

SoulAlive said:

krayzie said:

Why would people hate on Beyonce for being black ??? Because most people on Prince.org are not black. Most people on Prince.org are white.

Prove it! Since you seem to know soooooooo much about the racial identity of every Orger,let's see you break it down for us.Tell us what race every Orger is.[/quote You are insane

Oh really ??? OK, go to my profile, I've been a orger since 2004, it's been a long time... and one of the first thing I noticed when I became a new member of this site, it's how extremly diverse (aka non-black) members of this site are...

But it's logical, Prince is an international artist...

And when you engage discussions on social issues or politics, it's even more obvious...

We don't share the same values, we don't have the same heritage, the same feelings, the same views on politics, race issues...

Hell, I've even found some republicans on this site... (I mean REPUBLIKKKANS !!!!) On Prince.org...

I hate Beyonce's music. I don't listen to her. But she's black, and if white people say something hateful against her, I will defend her regardless. Because she's black and I'm black. This is part of our culture. Black people have to deal with racism every single day.

So,what you're saying is,you support "every" black artist because this is a racist world we live in.Using your logic,every black person should support R.Kelly (despite the fact that he molests young girls) and they should also support all of the thuggish rappers,too.So what if they send bad messages to the young people? They're "black",so every black person must support them,right? That is total bullshit.

Here's the proof again....

Black people always defend their own when we feel abused or mistreated... We don't support molestors or thugs whatsoever... But we want to be treated fairly...

But you just don't know it, and you just don't understand it...

White people don't think that way, because they have never dealed with prejudice...

It seems like racism is not a big deal to you... To us (black people) IT is ALWAYS a BIG MAJOR deal... And we know that when white people judge us, they ALWAYS judge us unfairly. ALWAYS AWLAYS ALWAYS... So we just want to make sure that no matter who you are, you have to be treated fairly...

so basically,you're saying that you "know" how black people are supposed to talk,how they are supposed to think and how they are supposed to act?

Of course I know, I'm black. My wife is black, I only have black friends, and I grew up in a strong black neighborhood... I don't say all black folks think the same way, but on major issues, we always agree...

It's not hard to see that i feel more comfortable on black sites

It's hard for a white person to fool a black person like me...

Second thing, the hatred I've seen so far on Prince.org against Beyonce (and also several other black artists) convinces me that RACE has a LOT to do with that. It's obvious. And people try to act like it's all fun. Bullshit. Some comments made against her are borderline racist and offensive. Something that only white people would do.


So,it's not possible to simply dislike an artist without race playing a factor? Is it possible that someone could genuinely dislike Beyonce and her music?

Oh yeah it's possible, but when it's becoming obsessional and irrational, race always tends to have something to do with it... Even more when you know that those who make those critics are not black...

I've never seen black people complaining about white artists being too successfull... Ask you why ???

Oh really? I've seen black comedians say some of the most horrible,offensive things about Michael Jackson (before his death)...far worse than any of the anti-Beyonce comments that I've seen on this site.

First of all, they are comedians (they are supposed to be jokes), second thing, they are BLACK. We know that if guys like Chris Rock make fun of MJ, we also know that they love MJ... I've been trashing MJ for years, but as a kid he was my idol... White people trashed him to the point of diminishing his music, his talent, his accomplishements... Remember when Rolling Stones called Justin timberlake the new king of pop ???

SoulAlive said:

krayzie said:

The good ol' race card ??? Oh, I love Stevie Wonder so much, he behaves so well unlike most of these NEGROES... We have already heard this kind of bullshit before.

Here's a thought: People of all races admire Stevie because he is extremely talented and makes interesting,thought-provoking music.He has dozens of songs that can rightfully be called "classics"....unlike the disposable,R&B/shit hop crap that Beyonce specializes in. maybe that could be the reason?

Go to the South and you'll see tons of white people who just hate black people, but love to listen to Ray Charles, BB King and Jackie Wilson...

And make no mistake, back when Ray Charles used to make his wondefull music, white people used to hate us 10000000000000000000000000000x MORE !!!!

No matter what we do, white people will always hate us, NO MATTER what...

SoulAlive said:

krayzie said:

Yeah right, you're black... I've exposed a lot of white folks who pretended to be black on prince.org in the past...

How the hell can you "expose" someone's race? You don't know these people! If a person on this site tells you that they are black,how can you prove otherwise?

All I have to do is read what people say about black people... If someone makes strange comments about black people (stereotypes, or harsh critics about black people)... I'll conclude that this person can't possibly black...

This will come as a shock to you,but guess what? There are many black people who do not like Beyonce or her music.

It does not come to me as a shock to me since i'm NOT a Beyonce fan in the first place, I said it billions times before...

uPtoWnNY said:

SoulAlive said:

This will come as a shock to you,but guess what? There are many black people who do not like Beyonce or her music.

Thank you, and I'm one of them. I'm a proud black man who's NEVER bought a Beyonce CD and never will. She sucks. Supporting 'artists' because they're the same color as you(regardless of talent) is ridiculous.

Who said to support 'artists' because they're the same color as you (regardless of talent) ???????

I don't hate; I just don't see or hear anything to get excited about...