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midiscover said: cborgman said: if she'd keep that man of hers out of her career and bring jam and lewis back for a full album, she probably would get a comeback "That man of her's" produced 2 of the best selling albums around the time Damita Jo and 20 Y.O. was released. Not saying his crap production would help her. You would think they would like her music more .... I guess. Jam & Lewis were in the picture since 2007. People need to let that shit go. They've been with Janet on all her albums but one. I can admit that I'm not hoping for this huge ass comeback from Janet that the media seems to play up ( you know they love a comeback story). I don't see it happening. I just don't appreicate this sleepyq person contradicting himself. Stick to one story. just my  but janet is pretty par without jam and lewis writing almost everything for her. her music has always been about the music, not her par singing.
i'd have to check, but i bet that most if not all of her post all for you work that i like are the few j&l songs. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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trueiopian said: cborgman said: so then it is nothing to do with her being black, over, 40, or female, it's because of the superbowl backlash. fair enough. i just clarification of the point you were trying to make. 
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TD3 said: Timmy84 said: Yep, even black folks dissed her and that was supposed to be the community to "have her back". So she was a scapegoat for EVERYBODY. I won't forget when Chris Rock went on a rant against her (not to mention MJ and "greasy ass Jermaine"). I know, shame.  I'm not a fan but I bought Damita Jo just because... I thought there was a witchhunt going on.speaking of which... Damita Jo is on my amazon's wish list.so i'll be getting that one too.i already have "All For You" .i like all of the slow ballads and several of the dance tracks  | |
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cborgman said: midiscover said: "That man of her's" produced 2 of the best selling albums around the time Damita Jo and 20 Y.O. was released. Not saying his crap production would help her. You would think they would like her music more .... I guess. Jam & Lewis were in the picture since 2007. People need to let that shit go. They've been with Janet on all her albums but one. I can admit that I'm not hoping for this huge ass comeback from Janet that the media seems to play up ( you know they love a comeback story). I don't see it happening. I just don't appreicate this sleepyq person contradicting himself. Stick to one story. just my but janet is pretty par without jam and lewis writing almost everything for her. her music has always been about the music, not her par singing.
i'd have to check, but i bet that most if not all of her post all for you work that i like are the few j&l songs. Too bad they didn't write almost everything for her. You mean producer almost everthing for her. Janet did the writing along with Terry Lewis. For her fans not the fairweathered assholes that think she can't sing - it has always been about her voice. People don't listen to singer they think don't have a nice voice. Um ok and I feel the same way. I just think they work well together. There's no need to fucking discredit her. | |
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midiscover said: cborgman said: just my but janet is pretty par without jam and lewis writing almost everything for her. her music has always been about the music, not her par singing.
i'd have to check, but i bet that most if not all of her post all for you work that i like are the few j&l songs. Too bad they didn't write almost everything for her. You mean producer almost everthing for her. Janet did the writing along with Terry Lewis. For her fans not the fairweathered assholes that think she can't sing - it has always been about her voice. People don't listen to singer they think don't have a nice voice. Um ok and I feel the same way. I just think they work well together. There's no need to fucking discredit her. why does it bother you so much? i like madonna a lot, but can admit she's not terribly talented either. it doesn't discredit her or take away from her accomplishments, it's just being real about it. michael was more talented, but i like janet a whole lot more. . [Edited 3/17/10 21:59pm] Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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midiscover said: sleepyq said: Her time of having platinum albums? Her time of having the #1 bests elling album of the year? Her time of scroing 7 top 5 hits from one album? Her time of scoring pop radio hits? ... she couldnt have been on top 4eva, is what i mean... stop twistin my words.  Then why are you saying anyone can comeback on top. You seem to be contradicting yourself an awful lot, eh? 
Ummm... she already ruined prospects of comin back with the last 3 albums. 20 YO- 670k Discipline- 450k Number Ones- 110k She has flopped 2 times in a row... and the GH #1s is also an initial flop. She should've sold more than Madonna with all the promo she got that Madonna did not. She's middle aged. She's a woman. Yes, she's over- commercially. She could've bounced back from SB, in '06/'07... but after 3 flops, that space of time is up. No contradictions. | |
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trueiopian said: cborgman said: so then it is nothing to do with her being black, over, 40, or female, it's because of the superbowl backlash. fair enough. i just clarification of the point you were trying to make.
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cborgman said: midiscover said: Too bad they didn't write almost everything for her. You mean producer almost everthing for her. Janet did the writing along with Terry Lewis. For her fans not the fairweathered assholes that think she can't sing - it has always been about her voice. People don't listen to singer they think don't have a nice voice. Um ok and I feel the same way. I just think they work well together. There's no need to fucking discredit her. why does it bother you so much? i like madonna a lot, but can admit she's not terribly talented either. it doesn't discredit her or take away from her accomplishments, it's just being real about it. michael was more talented, but i like janet a whole lot more. . [Edited 3/17/10 21:59pm] Do you have any proof that Jam & Lewis did all the writing? No, you don't. Janet writes her own music. She just didn't write on Discipline. That's why Darkchild said he got her writing now. Michael isn't more talented. | |
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sleepyq said: midiscover said: Then why are you saying anyone can comeback on top. You seem to be contradicting yourself an awful lot, eh?
Ummm... she already ruined prospects of comin back with the last 3 albums. 20 YO- 670k Discipline- 450k Number Ones- 110k She has flopped 2 times in a row... and the GH #1s is also an initial flop. She should've sold more than Madonna with all the promo she got that Madonna did not. She's middle aged. She's a woman. Yes, she's over- commercially. She could've bounced back from SB, in '06/'07... but after 3 flops, that space of time is up. No contradictions. Dude, you said anyone can comeback. I said, not anyone can. How can did she use all prospects? If she can't, she can't PERIOD Madonna's GH album flopped too. It sold 175K. No, she coudn't have bounced back from the SB. | |
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sleepyq said: midiscover said: Then why are you saying anyone can comeback on top. You seem to be contradicting yourself an awful lot, eh?
Ummm... she already ruined prospects of comin back with the last 3 albums. 20 YO- 670k Discipline- 450k Number Ones- 110k She has flopped 2 times in a row... and the GH #1s is also an initial flop. She should've sold more than Madonna with all the promo she got that Madonna did not. She's middle aged. She's a woman. Yes, she's over- commercially. She could've bounced back from SB, in '06/'07... but after 3 flops, that space of time is up. No contradictions. Ouch! 30 Love Serena's serve  Don't laugh at my funk
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midiscover said: cborgman said: why does it bother you so much? i like madonna a lot, but can admit she's not terribly talented either. it doesn't discredit her or take away from her accomplishments, it's just being real about it. michael was more talented, but i like janet a whole lot more. . [Edited 3/17/10 21:59pm] Do you have any proof that Jam & Lewis did all the writing? No, you don't. Janet writes her own music. She just didn't write on Discipline. That's why Darkchild said he got her writing now. Michael isn't more talented. 
Talent is not subjective. Michael being more talented is a FACT. Janet's music catalogue is much better, I enjoy her videos and performances much more... but she's not more talented, its very clear cut... | |
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sleepyq said: midiscover said: Do you have any proof that Jam & Lewis did all the writing? No, you don't. Janet writes her own music. She just didn't write on Discipline. That's why Darkchild said he got her writing now. Michael isn't more talented.
Talent is not subjective. Michael being more talented is a FACT. Janet's music catalogue is much better, I enjoy her videos and performances much more... but she's not more talented, its very clear cut... How he's more talented? He couldn't act. He's not more talented. Talent means to have an artistic ability. Janet has more. | |
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Harlepolis said: TonyVanDam said: 2. There nothing wrong in seeing a black female character on film getting save by a black male character. Hell, white female characters (Jane/Lois Lane) gets saved by white male characters (Tarzan/Superman) all the time within Hollywood history.
Thats a good joke, Tony  Thank you. But I was trying to be seriously! | |
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midiscover said: cborgman said: why does it bother you so much? i like madonna a lot, but can admit she's not terribly talented either. it doesn't discredit her or take away from her accomplishments, it's just being real about it. michael was more talented, but i like janet a whole lot more. . [Edited 3/17/10 21:59pm] Do you have any proof that Jam & Lewis did all the writing? No, you don't. Janet writes her own music. She just didn't write on Discipline. That's why Darkchild said he got her writing now. Michael isn't more talented. um... yes. they're called writing credits, and they can be found easily. in the cds, online, in the copyright records. not amazingly, they often are credited as harris, jackson, and lewis, and sometimes just harris and lewis. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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sleepyq said: midiscover said: Then why are you saying anyone can comeback on top. You seem to be contradicting yourself an awful lot, eh?
Ummm... she already ruined prospects of comin back with the last 3 albums. 20 YO- 670k Discipline- 450k She has flopped 2 times in a row... and the GH #1s is also an initial flop. She could've bounced back from SB, in '06/'07... but after 3 flops, that space of time is up. No contradictions. It's the iTunes era. No one's buying GH albums. I disagree, Janet couldn't have bounced back from the SB in '06 nor '07. | |
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phunkdaddy said: sleepyq said:
Ummm... she already ruined prospects of comin back with the last 3 albums. 20 YO- 670k Discipline- 450k Number Ones- 110k She has flopped 2 times in a row... and the GH #1s is also an initial flop. She should've sold more than Madonna with all the promo she got that Madonna did not. She's middle aged. She's a woman. Yes, she's over- commercially. She could've bounced back from SB, in '06/'07... but after 3 flops, that space of time is up. No contradictions. Ouch! 30 Love Serena's serve  Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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midiscover said: sleepyq said:
Talent is not subjective. Michael being more talented is a FACT. Janet's music catalogue is much better, I enjoy her videos and performances much more... but she's not more talented, its very clear cut... How he's more talented? He couldn't act. He's not more talented. Talent means to have an artistic ability. Janet has more. LOL.....U really love pushing those MJ fans buttons....ha! | |
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cborgman said: midiscover said: Do you have any proof that Jam & Lewis did all the writing? No, you don't. Janet writes her own music. She just didn't write on Discipline. That's why Darkchild said he got her writing now. Michael isn't more talented. um... yes. they're called writing credits, and they can be found easily. in the cds, online, in the copyright records. not amazingly, they often are credited as harris, jackson, and lewis, and sometimes just harris and lewis. um.....
So she does write her own shit. Deal. | |
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midiscover said: sleepyq said:
Ummm... she already ruined prospects of comin back with the last 3 albums. 20 YO- 670k Discipline- 450k Number Ones- 110k She has flopped 2 times in a row... and the GH #1s is also an initial flop. She should've sold more than Madonna with all the promo she got that Madonna did not. She's middle aged. She's a woman. Yes, she's over- commercially. She could've bounced back from SB, in '06/'07... but after 3 flops, that space of time is up. No contradictions. Dude, you said anyone can comeback. I said, not anyone can. How can did she use all prospects? If she can't, she can't PERIOD Madonna's GH album flopped too. It sold 175K. No, she coudn't have bounced back from the SB. You've got to be kidding. Celebration has sold more copies in the UK alone than Number Ones has sold worldwide. Celebration has sold over a million in Europe alone. Number Ones hasn't even sold a third of that worldwide. Janet got to open the AMAs and did the much hyped GMA appearance. Madonna didn't do any promo, yet Celebration sold over 200k while Number Ones is just over 100k. Don't get into the #s crunch with Madonna, mmkay? Janet will always lose that one, there's no debate. 
... and yes, she couldve come back from the SB. MJ came back in 2008 from being considered a child molestor. Anythin is possible. | |
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cborgman said: TonyVanDam said: Jodie Foster also won an Oscar for playing a role of a rape victim. But didn't Jodie also win one for playing a hooker as well? she didnt win for taxi driver she won for the accused, as a rape victim fighting for justice, and for silence of the lambs, where she is one of the stronger feminist characters to win an oscar. [Edited 3/17/10 20:30pm] Thanks for the follow-up.  | |
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midiscover said: cborgman said: um... yes. they're called writing credits, and they can be found easily. in the cds, online, in the copyright records. not amazingly, they often are credited as harris, jackson, and lewis, and sometimes just harris and lewis. um.....
So she does write her own shit. Deal.
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TonyVanDam said: cborgman said: she didnt win for taxi driver she won for the accused, as a rape victim fighting for justice, and for silence of the lambs, where she is one of the stronger feminist characters to win an oscar. [Edited 3/17/10 20:30pm] Thanks for the follow-up. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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trueiopian said: sleepyq said:
Ummm... she already ruined prospects of comin back with the last 3 albums. 20 YO- 670k Discipline- 450k She has flopped 2 times in a row... and the GH #1s is also an initial flop. She could've bounced back from SB, in '06/'07... but after 3 flops, that space of time is up. No contradictions. It's the iTunes era. No one's buying GH albums. I disagree, Janet couldn't have bounced back from the SB in '06 nor '07. How could she anyway? Her fans were requesting her songs around the clock with 20 Y.O. and Discipline. If the sources aren't open then it ain't happenin'. | |
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Timmy84 said: This is staying off-topic but "Jungle Fever" was one of the worst Spike Lee films of all time. Stevie's soundtrack was 10 times better.
I like Jungle Fever a lot more than Girl 6. Again, Girl 6 was THE worst film in Spike's career as a film maker. | |
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midiscover said: sleepyq said:
Talent is not subjective. Michael being more talented is a FACT. Janet's music catalogue is much better, I enjoy her videos and performances much more... but she's not more talented, its very clear cut... How he's more talented? He couldn't act. He's not more talented. Talent means to have an artistic ability. Janet has more. Very simple: Top 10 hits single handedly written by Michael : 1. Don't Sto Till U Get Enough 2. Billie Jean 3. Beat It 4. Wanna Be Startin Somethin 5. The Girl Is Mine 6. Smooth Criminal 7. Bad 8. I Just Can't Stop Loving You 9. The Way You Make Me Feel 10. Dirty Diana 11. Black or White 12. Will You Be There 13. Muscles Top 10 hits single handedly written by Janet jackson: 1. Black Cat 2. ..... 3. ..... 4. hmmmmm That settles it. | |
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sleepyq said: midiscover said: Dude, you said anyone can comeback. I said, not anyone can. How can did she use all prospects? If she can't, she can't PERIOD Madonna's GH album flopped too. It sold 175K. No, she coudn't have bounced back from the SB. You've got to be kidding. Celebration has sold more copies in the UK alone than Number Ones has sold worldwide. Celebration has sold over a million in Europe alone. Number Ones hasn't even sold a third of that worldwide. Janet got to open the AMAs and did the much hyped GMA appearance. Madonna didn't do any promo, yet Celebration sold over 200k while Number Ones is just over 100k. Don't get into the #s crunch with Madonna, mmkay? Janet will always lose that one, there's no debate.
... and yes, she couldve come back from the SB. MJ came back in 2008 from being considered a child molestor. Anythin is possible. Point? I thought it was already cleared that Madonna has a wider audience outside of the states unlike Janet. How did Celebration do in the states? It flopped, bewtz. They weren't released on the same day or better yet - month neither. I'm not the one that brought Hagdonna up in the first place, mmkay? You did. Don't bring talent up the hag will always lose that debate. No, she couldn't. You can say that until the cows come home but she couldn't. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Timmy84 said: This is staying off-topic but "Jungle Fever" was one of the worst Spike Lee films of all time. Stevie's soundtrack was 10 times better.
I like Jungle Fever a lot more than Girl 6. Again, Girl 6 was THE worst film in Spike's career as a film maker. I walked out of that movie. Bad! | |
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