cborgman said:

Pretty much.

Timmy84 said:

punany power

cborgman said:

Halle was very good in a role as a crack user in Jungle Fever. Granted, that was also a negative character. But at least director Spike Lee never told Halle to bend over!

Timmy84 said:

i just had someone saying in p&r the other day that she won for playing a "ho who gets raped"

sleepyq said:

The "20 YO" era was one of the worst periods of Janet's career. "Damita Jo" was OK because the album did decent in the US and UK but afterwards, you'd think Janet and her management would've tried to map out a real game plan, but that was all they came up with? I haven't listened to that album since I bought it. I played it like five times and stopped. "Discipline" was decent but I don't remember the last time I played it and Def Jam didn't even promote it, which was bad enough because Janet was in the same label with Mariah at the time.

phunkdaddy said:

Or she gives good head.

TonyVanDam said:

it's been a while since i saw that as it isn't one of my favorite spike movies, but wasnt that a really minor role in that movie?

Timmy84 said:

Seriously what did they say and what did Chris have to say.

cborgman said:

Wow... well they should check Jodie's Oscar history and her films because I'm sure she didn't get raped in them or won an award for getting raped in a film.

TD3 said:

Sweetie, Janet was the media's scapegoat not anyone else's. The media found someone to bully and beat so they did just that by playing the clip over and over AND attacking Janet. America is stupid and hypnotized by the media so of course they fall for the bait. Her "fans" departed. Janet's career has suffered since. Yes, her commercial success was so-so since The Velvet Rope but it really took a dive after the Superbowl. People in her camp were also shady so she had to boot some of those mothafuckas
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Timmy84 said:

That's why Dave Justice strayed because she
didn't give head. He took to the streets of Atlanta.

cborgman said:

Timmy84 said:

well, i went into some polite detailed corrections, but... i think people tend to see what they want to see when it comes to oscars. the thread that statement was in was a thread talking about how black people only win for negative roles.

i pointed out that almost no one ever wins an oscar for playing a good person who makes good choices and lives a good life, as those characters are almost always one dimensional and boring.

phunkdaddy said:

Black folks, some of them, maybe a lot of them idk said that Janet got a "wake-up call", they thought her usage of sexual lyrics in the album were overdone and therefore thought she was a hypocrite after her "Super Bowel apology". And Chris was all like "a 40-year-old woman whipping out his man's titty, this ain't Magic City, church people coming home turning on the TV, 'oh Lord', the titty didn't even believe it was outside! A 40-year-old titty is your man's titty, a 20-year-old titty is a community titty!" I found it odd a man himself approaching 40 was calling someone else who whipped it out "old". It seemed that way to me. I think she was also dissed because she "was too old for that" and "she should've known better because she's black, a woman and a Jackson."

So they didn't really feel the need to support her anymore. Which was real dumb.

TonyVanDam said:

not exatly oscar worthy then

cborgman said:

Yeah most actors and actresses who win Oscars for their roles, some of the roles require you to be a drug kingpin, a Mafia boss, an asshole, etc. Marlon Brando surely didn't do any noble act of good in "The Godfather" did he?

midiscover said:

That's your take, but it's not mine.

cborgman said:

Her minutes were about 15-20 in that film. I think Samuel L. Jackson put in a way better performance than her. In fact HE became a star after "Jungle Fever", NOT Halle.

TD3 said:

What do you mean that's my take? It's clear as the day.

Timmy84 said:

what really blows my mind is people are complaining about monique winning but have no issue with christoph waltz winning the same night for playing a sadistic nazi who mercilessly hunts and kills jews.

This is staying off-topic but "Jungle Fever" was one of the worst Spike Lee films of all time. Stevie's soundtrack was 10 times better.

trueiopian said:

SB didn't destroy her career. Its the bad decisions made after the fact that did her in.

Anybody can bounce back from anything, and its very true, believe me. Ppl can forgive ANYTHIN, u just have to give them what they want and say the right things.

... as for overseas... no she has never been on MJ/Madonna level, but how do u ratinalize Janet's inability to even reach silver status in most countries? Thats like selling 200k in the US. Do u know how low that is? SB has little to do with it... had she focused overseas, she wouldnt have flopped so badly at all. It was mismanagement.

cborgman said:

Yeah I don't even make it such a big deal anymore... the Oscars are just another popularity contest, just like the Grammys (and the Billboard charts)...

Timmy84 said:

i should watch it again. i don't think i have seen it since the early 90s. it was never my favorite spike.

but just thinking about spike makes me want to put on my passing strange dvd again.

trueiopian said:

BINGO!!

I always get a cackle when folks say the superbowl didn't hurt Janet's career. Her career suffered big time and so did her image. Most of her "fans" didn't come to her defense and her stupid, wack-job family didn't either. Bitches.

cborgman said:

I'd only watch Samuel's parts. He was brilliant.

Timmy84 said:

I thought Halle was good as well. Remember she really put herself into
character to play the part. She went to a crackhouse and talked to
real crack addicts and didn't bathe for a few days leading Chris
Rock to say i'll take a funky Halle Berry.

phunkdaddy said:

Good at being stank lol

midiscover said:

OK.

sleepyq said:

No. Sorry, but HELL NO. This is all bullshit.

The Superbowl DID destroy her career whether you'd like to believe it or not. The moment the media started dissecting the whole incident and attacking her over and over. It was OVA. The media is powerful. They can easily sway people into believing certain ideals and such. You remember 9/11? How the media played the clip over and over until we couldn't get enough. Not everyone can bounce back. Janet's image has always been important with her music.

I never said the Superbowl hurt her overseas sales. Honestly, she's hardly thought of overseas (besides Japan) and Janet knows this. Reason why she hardly ever goes overseas and promotes. If she had a smart management of way of thinking business wise - she would strengthen her market overseas because they could hardly give a fuck about image. That's why MJ and Madonna sold well overall because they had a strong market internationally. They flopped in America. It's not some kind of a revelation that aging pop stars don't do well here.
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