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Printablethesexofit said: Timmy84 said: The Jacksons should release both on DVD as soon as possible. Maybe Mj's estate is saying no? Should be easier now Michael is dead (I know its harsh, but its true  ).
So, supposedly The Jacksons got a "victory" tour date pro filmed, and so did Michael. Michael owns his copy, they own theirs. That tour was a mess LOL. Yeah. That was purely a mess. Obviously Michael didn't wanna do it he only did it for his fans lol | |
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Timmy84 said: thesexofit said: Maybe Mj's estate is saying no? Should be easier now Michael is dead (I know its harsh, but its true ).
So, supposedly The Jacksons got a "victory" tour date pro filmed, and so did Michael. Michael owns his copy, they own theirs. That tour was a mess LOL. Yeah. That was purely a mess. Obviously Michael didn't wanna do it he only did it for his fans lolYeah MJ has his own copies of the show. Sometimes I think that the Jackson family doesn't want to share certain things with fans, which is understandable. | |
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Timmy84 said: thesexofit said: Maybe Mj's estate is saying no? Should be easier now Michael is dead (I know its harsh, but its true ).
So, supposedly The Jacksons got a "victory" tour date pro filmed, and so did Michael. Michael owns his copy, they own theirs. That tour was a mess LOL. Yeah. That was purely a mess. Obviously Michael didn't wanna do it he only did it for his fans lolYou just know Jermaine and the brothers got the Katherine to beg Mike to do it. I don't want to go into their family drama though
Funny when Joe and the rest of them were planning on taking the tour to europe (which they must of thought of), and Mike just said no and announced live on stage at the last date of the tour that this was his final show with the brothers, without the brothers knowing Mike was gonna say that beforehand
The coolest thing about the tour was "tell me i'm not dreamin'". But Mike refused to rehearse anything from the "victory" album (a blessing in disguise for some on here Iam sure), but I would of loved live versions of "torture" and inparticular "wait". | |
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thesexofit said: bboy87 said: AND Cheater was recorded at his house
I've wondered why Monkey Business got shelved. It was supposed to be the lead single for Dangerous but as the album progressed, Black Or White replaced it. Looking back, I can see it being released, but not on Dangerous. It's like every song fits, even Heal The World, which I've hated since I first heard it when I was 5
not to mention, he would work on a song, put it away, and then take it out and work on it again, as was the case for Little Susie (written in '79 while he was writing Heartbreak Hotel and Lovely One, but not released until '95) Earth Song (written in '88 for Dangerous) Dirty Diana (written in '83 for possibly Victory) Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' was for Off The Wall, Liberian Girl was for Victory, Streetwalker was for either Bad or a Broadway play he was writing and then I found out that This Is It and Love Never Felt So Good was planned for a MJ/Paul Anka collaboration album AND he had done an album of classical inspired songs after he did Off The Wall..... "Monkey business" sounds very dated to me LOL. Probably canned it like when he supposedly canned Bubbles' cartoon tv show. Bubbles was getting more attention then he was and Mike was sick of it
As for "come together", its telling Quincy did not produce that track, probably meaning it was recorded around 1985/86 before Quincy got properly on board for "bad" (he challenged MJ to write the whole album himself whilst on vacation. Jackson reportedly wrote 66 songs, Quincy not realising MJ took the challenge seriously ). Mike worked on tracks with John Barnes whilst Quincy was away ("alright now" being one I imagine). And so he probably worked with Bill Bottrell on "come together" around that time aswell, particually with the catalogue he had just aquired. Michael had been in the studio with John Barnes in '85, working on Another Part Of Me and We Are Here To Change The World"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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Timmy84 said: thesexofit said: Maybe Mj's estate is saying no? Should be easier now Michael is dead (I know its harsh, but its true ).
So, supposedly The Jacksons got a "victory" tour date pro filmed, and so did Michael. Michael owns his copy, they own theirs. That tour was a mess LOL. Yeah. That was purely a mess. Obviously Michael didn't wanna do it he only did it for his fans lolAren't some of those shows on Youtube? I remember seeing some of the concert on Youtube, some time back. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" |
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bboy87 said: thesexofit said: "Monkey business" sounds very dated to me LOL. Probably canned it like when he supposedly canned Bubbles' cartoon tv show. Bubbles was getting more attention then he was and Mike was sick of it
As for "come together", its telling Quincy did not produce that track, probably meaning it was recorded around 1985/86 before Quincy got properly on board for "bad" (he challenged MJ to write the whole album himself whilst on vacation. Jackson reportedly wrote 66 songs, Quincy not realising MJ took the challenge seriously ). Mike worked on tracks with John Barnes whilst Quincy was away ("alright now" being one I imagine). And so he probably worked with Bill Bottrell on "come together" around that time aswell, particually with the catalogue he had just aquired. Michael had been in the studio with John Barnes in '85, working on Another Part Of Me and We Are Here To Change The WorldI get a feeling alot of the basic demo's for "bad" were done with Barnes. He is all over the "bad" album if you look in the credits. Particually "another part of me" (obvious why because of its early use in "captain eo"), "smooth criminal" and "liberian girl" etc... Just a theory... I love Quincy, but he was very wrong when he allegedly thought "smooth criminal" was not strong enough for "bad". Mike overuled him on that one thank God.
Such an annoying shame Mike never did a classic albums tv doc for "thriller" or "bad". Same with Prince for that matter  | |
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thesexofit said: Timmy84 said: The Jacksons should release both on DVD as soon as possible. Maybe Mj's estate is saying no? Should be easier now Michael is dead (I know its harsh, but its true ).
So, supposedly The Jacksons got a "victory" tour date pro filmed, and so did Michael. Michael owns his copy, they own theirs. That tour was a mess LOL. I've heard that the last show of the Bad Tour (January 27, 1989) is pro filmed, mixed, and ready to go. Michael used clips of the show in montages all the time Michael filmed all the shows of the Victory, Bad, Dangerous, and HIStory tours, but it's the matter of which are ready for an actual release that's the bigger issue "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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shorttrini said: Timmy84 said: Yeah. That was purely a mess. Obviously Michael didn't wanna do it he only did it for his fans lolAren't some of those shows on Youtube? I remember seeing some of the concert on Youtube, some time back. Yeah, the Kansas and Dallas shows are on Youtube. Some guy had hacked into the live transmission feed at the stadium (the one which goes to the big screens) and recorded it and sold the copies but got caught Someone got their hands on a better copy of the Kansas show a couple of days ago "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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thesexofit said: bboy87 said: Michael had been in the studio with John Barnes in '85, working on Another Part Of Me and We Are Here To Change The WorldI get a feeling alot of the basic demo's for "bad" were done with Barnes. He is all over the "bad" album if you look in the credits. Particually "another part of me" (obvious why because of its early use in "captain eo"), "smooth criminal" and "liberian girl" etc... Just a theory... I love Quincy, but he was very wrong when he allegedly thought "smooth criminal" was not strong enough for "bad". Mike overuled him on that one thank God.
Such an annoying shame Mike never did a classic albums tv doc for "thriller" or "bad". Same with Prince for that matter I don't know what the hell Quincy was smoking when he didn't want "Smooth Criminal" to be included on the "BAD" album.  MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: thesexofit said: I get a feeling alot of the basic demo's for "bad" were done with Barnes. He is all over the "bad" album if you look in the credits. Particually "another part of me" (obvious why because of its early use in "captain eo"), "smooth criminal" and "liberian girl" etc... Just a theory... I love Quincy, but he was very wrong when he allegedly thought "smooth criminal" was not strong enough for "bad". Mike overuled him on that one thank God.
Such an annoying shame Mike never did a classic albums tv doc for "thriller" or "bad". Same with Prince for that matter I don't know what the hell Quincy was smoking when he didn't want "Smooth Criminal" to be included on the "BAD" album. I'm sure MJ had a song in the catalog that would have surpassed SC. | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: seeingvoices12 said: I don't know what the hell Quincy was smoking when he didn't want "Smooth Criminal" to be included on the "BAD" album. I'm sure MJ had a song in the catalog that would have surpassed SC. Well MJ wanted a triple-CD set and it would've been easy, Quincy wanted it down to nine at least and that overlays the problem right there lol | |
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bboy87 said: shorttrini said: Aren't some of those shows on Youtube? I remember seeing some of the concert on Youtube, some time back. Yeah, the Kansas and Dallas shows are on Youtube. Some guy had hacked into the live transmission feed at the stadium (the one which goes to the big screens) and recorded it and sold the copies but got caught Someone got their hands on a better copy of the Kansas show a couple of days ago LOL at 0:38. He broke out into the Thriller dance | |
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seeingvoices12 said: thesexofit said: I get a feeling alot of the basic demo's for "bad" were done with Barnes. He is all over the "bad" album if you look in the credits. Particually "another part of me" (obvious why because of its early use in "captain eo"), "smooth criminal" and "liberian girl" etc... Just a theory... I love Quincy, but he was very wrong when he allegedly thought "smooth criminal" was not strong enough for "bad". Mike overuled him on that one thank God.
Such an annoying shame Mike never did a classic albums tv doc for "thriller" or "bad". Same with Prince for that matter I don't know what the hell Quincy was smoking when he didn't want "Smooth Criminal" to be included on the "BAD" album. Thats just alledged of course . Still, even if Michael had alot more input into "bad" then he did on "thriller" and "off the wall", Quincy did a hell of a job on that record aswell....
...Technically the album is still a marvel in my eyes. Sure its not as deep as his later works like "dangerous", but the production still blows me away on some of those songs. Few albums I can think of sound like "bad". I know people complain about the glossy hi tech production, but thats an obvious part of its charm to me. Much too expensive to record an album like "bad" now. So sonically there are few albums like it (or any really). So at least the production is not derivitive, even if its not "organic" like MJ's and Quincy's previous work. | |
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thesexofit said: seeingvoices12 said: I don't know what the hell Quincy was smoking when he didn't want "Smooth Criminal" to be included on the "BAD" album. Thats just alledged of course . Still, even if Michael had alot more input into "bad" then he did on "thriller" and "off the wall", Quincy did a hell of a job on that record aswell....
...Technically the album is still a marvel in my eyes. Sure its not as deep as his later works like "dangerous", but the production still blows me away on some of those songs. Few albums I can think of sound like "bad". I know people complain about the glossy hi tech production, but thats an obvious part of its charm to me. Much too expensive to record an album like "bad" now. So sonically there are few albums like it (or any really). So at least the production is not derivitive, even if its not "organic" like MJ's and Quincy's previous work. at 0:35, MJ says SC almost didn't make the album cut This is the thing, if you record 10 songs for an album, NO MORE than 3 (if that) of them will actually be "album material". So I know it was pretty difficult to decide what songs stay and what songs go. Like when MJ discussed APOM vs SW. Both songs are great, but SW sounds like a part 2 of TWYMMF. [Edited 3/8/10 16:29pm] | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: thesexofit said: Thats just alledged of course . Still, even if Michael had alot more input into "bad" then he did on "thriller" and "off the wall", Quincy did a hell of a job on that record aswell....
...Technically the album is still a marvel in my eyes. Sure its not as deep as his later works like "dangerous", but the production still blows me away on some of those songs. Few albums I can think of sound like "bad". I know people complain about the glossy hi tech production, but thats an obvious part of its charm to me. Much too expensive to record an album like "bad" now. So sonically there are few albums like it (or any really). So at least the production is not derivitive, even if its not "organic" like MJ's and Quincy's previous work. at 0:35, MJ says SC almost didn't make the album cut This is the thing, if you record 10 songs for an album, NO MORE than 3 (if that) of them will actually be "album material". So I know it was pretty difficult to decide what songs stay and what songs go. Like when MJ discussed APOM vs SW. Both songs are great, but SW sounds like a part 2 of TWYMMF. [Edited 3/8/10 16:29pm] Oh yeah, I remember that clip
I just remember reading somewhere that Quincy didn't think it was strong enough to be on the album. Of course Mike would never admit to that about Quincy even if it was true | |
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Do you guys know what is the song at 1:02, its unreleased or what?
[Edited 3/8/10 16:45pm] MICHAEL JACKSON
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ViintageJunkiie said: thesexofit said: Thats just alledged of course . Still, even if Michael had alot more input into "bad" then he did on "thriller" and "off the wall", Quincy did a hell of a job on that record aswell....
...Technically the album is still a marvel in my eyes. Sure its not as deep as his later works like "dangerous", but the production still blows me away on some of those songs. Few albums I can think of sound like "bad". I know people complain about the glossy hi tech production, but thats an obvious part of its charm to me. Much too expensive to record an album like "bad" now. So sonically there are few albums like it (or any really). So at least the production is not derivitive, even if its not "organic" like MJ's and Quincy's previous work. at 0:35, MJ says SC almost didn't make the album cut This is the thing, if you record 10 songs for an album, NO MORE than 3 (if that) of them will actually be "album material". So I know it was pretty difficult to decide what songs stay and what songs go. Like when MJ discussed APOM vs SW. Both songs are great, but SW sounds like a part 2 of TWYMMF. [Edited 3/8/10 16:29pm] I was thinking the same thing!
I love Streetwalker, but the similarities are strong, plus they were written and demoed around the same time (1985, Streetwalker and when The Way You Make Me Feel was titled Hot Fever) Lemme see which songs were written or concieved for Bad Another Part Of Me- 1985 Bad- 1986 Cheater- 1986 or 1987 Dirty Diana- 1983 Smooth Criminal- 1985 Tomboy- 1985 What You Do To Me- 1985 The Price Of Fame- 1986 Speed Demon- 1986 The Way You Make Me Feel/Hot Fever- 1985 Streetwalker- 1986/7 Leave Me Alone- 1987 Someone Put Your Hand Out- 1987 Black Or White- 1987 Fly Away- 1987 I Just Can't Stop Loving You- 1987 Just Good Friends- 1987 Liberian Girl- 1983 or 1984 Man In The Mirror- 1987 Groove Of Midnight 1986 or 1987 Crack Kills- 1986 I'm not sure to consider Scared Of The Moon, Come Together, or We Are Here To Change The World part of the list, and what's up with Rod Temperton not doing much for the Bad album? I know he helped on it and he and Michael worked on Groove of Midnight, but he didn't have a track that could've been Speed Demon or Just Good Friends? "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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seeingvoices12 said: Do you guys know what is the song at 1:02, its unreleased or what?
[Edited 3/8/10 16:45pm] As a Disney freak (like MJ was), I can tell you.... Lovely (and surprisenly very sad) film. | |
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thesexofit said: seeingvoices12 said: Do you guys know what is the song at 1:02, its unreleased or what?
[Edited 3/8/10 16:45pm] As a Disney freak (like MJ was), I can tell you.... Lovely (and surprisenly very sad) film. WoW 
Thanks for letting me know. MICHAEL JACKSON
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bboy87 said: ViintageJunkiie said: at 0:35, MJ says SC almost didn't make the album cut This is the thing, if you record 10 songs for an album, NO MORE than 3 (if that) of them will actually be "album material". So I know it was pretty difficult to decide what songs stay and what songs go. Like when MJ discussed APOM vs SW. Both songs are great, but SW sounds like a part 2 of TWYMMF. [Edited 3/8/10 16:29pm] I was thinking the same thing!
I love Streetwalker, but the similarities are strong, plus they were written and demoed around the same time (1985, Streetwalker and when The Way You Make Me Feel was titled Hot Fever) Lemme see which songs were written or concieved for Bad Another Part Of Me- 1985 Bad- 1986 Cheater- 1986 or 1987 Dirty Diana- 1983 Smooth Criminal- 1985 Tomboy- 1985 What You Do To Me- 1985 The Price Of Fame- 1986 Speed Demon- 1986 The Way You Make Me Feel/Hot Fever- 1985 Streetwalker- 1986/7 Leave Me Alone- 1987 Someone Put Your Hand Out- 1987 Black Or White- 1987 Fly Away- 1987 I Just Can't Stop Loving You- 1987 Just Good Friends- 1987 Liberian Girl- 1983 or 1984 Man In The Mirror- 1987 Groove Of Midnight 1986 or 1987 Crack Kills- 1986 I'm not sure to consider Scared Of The Moon, Come Together, or We Are Here To Change The World part of the list, and what's up with Rod Temperton not doing much for the Bad album? I know he helped on it and he and Michael worked on Groove of Midnight, but he didn't have a track that could've been Speed Demon or Just Good Friends? I now find it a little strange that Mike (or Quincy, who was a big champion of Rod's) did not use any Rod songs on "bad", but remember Mike was much more confident into how his albums should sound by "bad", and as we suspect, had more then enough songs of his own to fill the album (9 out of 11 tracks were of course written solely by him). That and perhaps Quincy took Rod to go work with his latest projege Siedah on her "kiss of life" album, which he produced with Dick "Mr Minnie Riperton" Rudolph and also wrote/co-wrote a few tracks with her. So he was pretty busy around 1987 too. (Bytheway, Rod did some great work on the "running scared" OST around the mid 80's aswell) | |
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bboy87 said: I was thinking the same thing!
I love Streetwalker, but the similarities are strong, plus they were written and demoed around the same time (1985, Streetwalker and when The Way You Make Me Feel was titled Hot Fever) Lemme see which songs were written or concieved for Bad Another Part Of Me- 1985 Bad- 1986 Cheater- 1986 or 1987 Dirty Diana- 1983 Smooth Criminal- 1985 Tomboy- 1985 What You Do To Me- 1985 The Price Of Fame- 1986 Speed Demon- 1986 The Way You Make Me Feel/Hot Fever- 1985 Streetwalker- 1986/7 Leave Me Alone- 1987 Someone Put Your Hand Out- 1987 Black Or White- 1987 Fly Away- 1987 I Just Can't Stop Loving You- 1987 Just Good Friends- 1987 Liberian Girl- 1983 or 1984 Man In The Mirror- 1987 Groove Of Midnight 1986 or 1987 Crack Kills- 1986 I'm not sure to consider Scared Of The Moon, Come Together, or We Are Here To Change The World part of the list, and what's up with Rod Temperton not doing much for the Bad album? I know he helped on it and he and Michael worked on Groove of Midnight, but he didn't have a track that could've been Speed Demon or Just Good Friends? Speed Demon is TIGHT! I love that song. Just Good Friends is what should have been replaced. I would have took Cheater or even Fly Away over that crap. Scared of the Moon was in 85 for that book he was writing, which no one has any damn info on! lol | |
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thesexofit said: bboy87 said: I was thinking the same thing!
I love Streetwalker, but the similarities are strong, plus they were written and demoed around the same time (1985, Streetwalker and when The Way You Make Me Feel was titled Hot Fever) Lemme see which songs were written or concieved for Bad Another Part Of Me- 1985 Bad- 1986 Cheater- 1986 or 1987 Dirty Diana- 1983 Smooth Criminal- 1985 Tomboy- 1985 What You Do To Me- 1985 The Price Of Fame- 1986 Speed Demon- 1986 The Way You Make Me Feel/Hot Fever- 1985 Streetwalker- 1986/7 Leave Me Alone- 1987 Someone Put Your Hand Out- 1987 Black Or White- 1987 Fly Away- 1987 I Just Can't Stop Loving You- 1987 Just Good Friends- 1987 Liberian Girl- 1983 or 1984 Man In The Mirror- 1987 Groove Of Midnight 1986 or 1987 Crack Kills- 1986 I'm not sure to consider Scared Of The Moon, Come Together, or We Are Here To Change The World part of the list, and what's up with Rod Temperton not doing much for the Bad album? I know he helped on it and he and Michael worked on Groove of Midnight, but he didn't have a track that could've been Speed Demon or Just Good Friends? I now find it a little strange that Mike (or Quincy, who was a big champion of Rod's) did not use any Rod songs on "bad", but remember Mike was much more confident into how his albums should sound by "bad", and as we suspect, had more then enough songs of his own to fill the album (9 out of 11 tracks were of course written solely by him). That and perhaps Quincy took Rod to go work with his latest projege Siedah on her "kiss of life" album, which he produced with Dick "Mr Minnie Riperton" Rudolph and also wrote/co-wrote a few tracks with her. So he was pretty busy around 1987 too. (Bytheway, Rod did some great work on the "running scared" OST around the mid 80's aswell) Rod and Quincy both thought MJ had grown musical-wise so Rod himself decided not to be part of any further process of the album and he was assigned to work with Siedah instead. | |
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seeingvoices12 said: thesexofit said: As a Disney freak (like MJ was), I can tell you.... Lovely (and surprisenly very sad) film. WoW
Thanks for letting me know. Despite its cutesy exterior, that film is depressing LOL. Shame Jacko didn't do a big budget film for Disney, as opposed to the "captain eo" thing, which screams 80's LOL. The score (even though its short), to "captain eo" is nice Yep I notice such things.
Of course, MJ did "moonwalker" out of his own pocket. What a trippy piece of 80's nostalgia that is Love that film though. Grew up on it. And I love Joe Pesci. It even referances "the third man", a classic film noir, when MJ is being chased. Pretty cool stuff for a film starring a pop star | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: bboy87 said: I was thinking the same thing!
I love Streetwalker, but the similarities are strong, plus they were written and demoed around the same time (1985, Streetwalker and when The Way You Make Me Feel was titled Hot Fever) Lemme see which songs were written or concieved for Bad Another Part Of Me- 1985 Bad- 1986 Cheater- 1986 or 1987 Dirty Diana- 1983 Smooth Criminal- 1985 Tomboy- 1985 What You Do To Me- 1985 The Price Of Fame- 1986 Speed Demon- 1986 The Way You Make Me Feel/Hot Fever- 1985 Streetwalker- 1986/7 Leave Me Alone- 1987 Someone Put Your Hand Out- 1987 Black Or White- 1987 Fly Away- 1987 I Just Can't Stop Loving You- 1987 Just Good Friends- 1987 Liberian Girl- 1983 or 1984 Man In The Mirror- 1987 Groove Of Midnight 1986 or 1987 Crack Kills- 1986 I'm not sure to consider Scared Of The Moon, Come Together, or We Are Here To Change The World part of the list, and what's up with Rod Temperton not doing much for the Bad album? I know he helped on it and he and Michael worked on Groove of Midnight, but he didn't have a track that could've been Speed Demon or Just Good Friends? Speed Demon is TIGHT! I love that song. Just Good Friends is what should have been replaced. I would have took Cheater or even Fly Away over that crap. Scared of the Moon was in 85 for that book he was writing, which no one has any damn info on! lol 
NO NO, I love Just good friends , I think its very good. MICHAEL JACKSON
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Timmy84 said: thesexofit said: I now find it a little strange that Mike (or Quincy, who was a big champion of Rod's) did not use any Rod songs on "bad", but remember Mike was much more confident into how his albums should sound by "bad", and as we suspect, had more then enough songs of his own to fill the album (9 out of 11 tracks were of course written solely by him). That and perhaps Quincy took Rod to go work with his latest projege Siedah on her "kiss of life" album, which he produced with Dick "Mr Minnie Riperton" Rudolph and also wrote/co-wrote a few tracks with her. So he was pretty busy around 1987 too. (Bytheway, Rod did some great work on the "running scared" OST around the mid 80's aswell) Rod and Quincy both thought MJ had grown musical-wise so Rod himself decided not to be part of any further process of the album and he was assigned to work with Siedah instead. Really? I was just guessing LOL. I dont really know. I sorta got it right then. | |
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thesexofit said: Timmy84 said: Rod and Quincy both thought MJ had grown musical-wise so Rod himself decided not to be part of any further process of the album and he was assigned to work with Siedah instead. Really? I was just guessing LOL. I dont really know. I sorta got it right then. Plus Mike wrote at least 60 songs I think for "Bad". | |
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Timmy84 said: thesexofit said: Really? I was just guessing LOL. I dont really know. I sorta got it right then. Plus Mike wrote at least 60 songs I think for "Bad". Quincy said 66 songs LOL. Who knows exactly how many. | |
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thesexofit said: Timmy84 said: Plus Mike wrote at least 60 songs I think for "Bad". Quincy said 66 songs LOL. Who knows exactly how many. He probably wrote 100 knowing MJ. | |
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