First.

dag said:

Second!

luv4u said:

Anyways, don´t forget, you guys, to answer our quiries in the 9th thread.

Thanks Luv4u


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I love this song so much.

A Masterpiece

i think that it is very telling that after countless hours of discussion of this man's life- not one truth concerning any scandal has erupted since his death.

no more victims have come forth

no homosexual child star lovers

nothing- absolutely nothing...

no baby mama drama

no enraged girlfriends fighting each other

no other superstars with wild outlandish stories...

.....seems like the guy may have been harmless after all- huh?

I have 2 questions,Whats everyones opinion of the Invincible cd (Threatened and Whatever Happens are awesome songs) and does MJ have any music videos that remain unreleased?

dance4me3121 said:

In My opinion , Invincible is a good record, maybe not one of his best but still a great record....Butterflies, don't walk away, break of dawn, speechless, whatever happens , heaven can wait ,are all great ballads for any music fan.

Regarding the unreleased videos? I do think some footage of the " one more chance" music video exists and I think Mj finished the video because I Clearly remember that they wanted to premiere the music video through program in the uk back in 2003 but it got cancelled at the last minute because of the allegations.

I don’t know about any other videos, but there was an interesting story posted on MJCC that the estate found cds of never-before seen music videos , they found them on cd on the floor at Mj’s house , I don’t know how reliable the source was but it was posted on MJCC after few months of his passing.
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The 1st thing I remember reading was her saying she and LMP cried together at the funeral and LMP is heartbroken over the fact that her last conversation with MJ didn't end well. Supposedly Karen said May was the last time when LMP spoke with MJ. And that she has regrets. And that LMP said MJ never weighed more than 130 while he was with her.

Supposedly she's LMP's make up artist now and that she did her make up at that recent Elvis 75th b-day party at Graceland.

And this what she wrote on her Facebook about them visiting the psychic. Of course this was deleted after it hit the fan boards.









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carlcranshaw said:

I used to think MJ and Whitney should have been in love with each other. Both were the best, and they would have been the most beautiful couple in Hollywood. AND, she would have been crack-cocaine free and would still have her singing voice today.

mookie said:

well, of course. that's what a psychic who's getting paid by lmp would say. i don't know the ends and outs of their relationship, but i find it curious that mj's 'spirit' would lay all the blame for it solely on himself. in real life, i'm sure the story was much more complex, but this psychic (if any of this indeed happened) seemed more interested in making sure to tell these people what they wanted to hear, thereby ensuring that he or she would be invited back to render more self-serving 'insights'.

bah humbug!

Joe Pesci talking about his sadness over his FRIEND Michael Jackson's passing.

How neat to know they were friends after all these years. How fascinating, sincere, and sad all at once.

Joe hit the nail on the head with what he says about Michael, as far as MJ -
the artist and MJ - the person. You can hear in Joe's voice at times, when
he says, with regard to Michael being a one of a kind entertainer, he said,
"You have to agree with that, don't you?" - and the tone in his voice, was
that clearly he was defending this view. Then later when talking about how
many records Michael sold in his lifetime (not counting after his passing),
Joe responded with praise and said, "And it's all well deserved,
if you ask me."

Watch Joe's interview here.

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^^MAN, that doesn't sound like Joe Pesci. His loud irritating voice in movies must have been fake, LOL.

dag said:

@ Dag

In answer to your question from part 9,and it's a strain for me to say this, but I was fighting that green monster since post #407, especially when you posted more. Therefore, I was out of line. Sorry. Seriously, she needs to leave those psychics alone because they could be deceiving and take advantage of her grief and money. Anyways, post away. It's your priviledge

mookie said:

That Karen Faye talks too much. I heard about her. Can you really trust someone like that?

Evvy said:

after a comment on a thread about Rihanna's new album and doing a little research...i came across this; now keep in mind i am a fan of MJ. though he's not my absolute favourite, i'll give credit where it's due. furthermore i never knew what to believe on many of his "scandals". now believe this or not...i find it very interesting. maybe i'm late on this or maybe some have not seen it.



if i wasn't confused before... well...

Evvy said:

I was thinking the same thing. The only thing that surfaces are lawsuits over shows and that's it.

this still cracks me up

Evvy said:

Personally, i always thought that would be the case. It's another soul-crushing aspect of his death. He went through some horrendous shit. Poor Michael.


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CHIC0 said:

People who can't accept to the fact that Michael is gone will cling to any conspiracy. He died. It was accidental. It isn't bigger than that.

People perpetrating these myths are doing as much damage to his legacy as the tabloids he so hatepd. It seems sadly some fans are turning into Michael's own worst enemy.

Swa

On a happier note - my OPUS finally arrived today and it is amazing. Such great photos and articles. A wonderful piece to have.

And tomorrow night I am going to the This Is It launch of the DVD/BluRay here in Sydney with attendance from Kenny Ortega, Travis Payne and some of the dancers. I will let you guys know how it goes. Should be a touching night.

Swa

And in the interest of having a discussion on MUSIC I repost Bboy87s discussion on OTW that seemed to get lost in the last pages of thread 9.


OFF THE WALL

On December 4th, 1978, 20 year old Michael Joe Jackson took a break from planning the release of The Jacksons' third LP on Epic Records titled "Destiny", to start production on his fifith solo effort.

Going into the studio with producer Quincy Jones, they set out on making an album that blended genres while bringing something new to the platform of pop and R&B music.

Destiny was released on December 17th and Michael and his brothers quickly went into promotion, appearing on such shows such as American Bandstand, Soul Train, and Top of The Pops as well as touring Europe and the United States, all the while, Jackson would catch flights back to Los Angeles to studios such as Cherokee Studios, Allen Zenth Recording, and Westlake Audio to continue recording for the solo project which was at the time titled "Girlfriend"

In the beginning, Michael was not exactly sure what he wanted as the final product but one thing he knew was that he didn't want to sound like a Jacksons album and strived for the individual and creative freedom that a solo album granted him, which was not something he had on his previous solo efforts at Motown, which were recorded at the same time his albums with The Jackson 5 were being recorded, even during the same sessions (for example, songs from Forever, Michael were recorded during the same session as songs from Moving Violation)

Michael began writing songs for the album around late 1977 after the filming of "The Wiz" and two of the songs from those early writing sessions were included on the album "Don't Stop Til You Get Enough" and "Workin' Day And Night", which early demos were recorded in 1978 with the help of his younger siblings Randy, then 17 and Janet, then 12 at the family's home recording studio at Hayvenhurst.

Another key writer on the album was Rod Temperton, who had been working on an album with Heatwave when Jones called him to write some songs for Michael.

Rod told him he’d write a song, and wrote 3 songs for Michael and Quincy to choose from. The duo booked a studio on the weekend when Rod wasn’t working with HW. Rod flew in (while Michael wasn’t there, most likely working promoting the Destiny album) to work on the tracks. He came back to Los Angeles the following week to work with Michael on the vocals, doing all of the background vocals for Rock With You, Burn This Disco Out, and Off The Wall that Saturday afternoon and all of the lead vocals the next afternoon. Michael spent the whole Saturday night learning the lyrics so he wouldn’t have to read off the paper.

The first session with Rod, Quincy asked him what musicians did he need to record the tracks, and Rod told him he would need 2 guitar players, a keyboard player, drummer, and a bass player. When he arrived to the studio, Quincy took him to the room with the musicians and told them “Here’s Rod, hit it!” This had been Rod’s first time without his own band.. Temperton had been in Heatwave for sometime and had gotten used to that environment and this was new atmosphere for him. He recalled feeling inadequate being in the studio when Jerry Hey and the other horns players arrived. At the end of the sessions, Temperton asked Quincy which songs had they picked, and Jones told him they wanted all 3. Temperton recalls Jackson singing uptempo grooves was very rhythmically driven and tried to write melodies with short notes to give him enough staccato, along with mixing them with enough harmonies.

Temperton took a different approach to his song writing after spending some time researching the background to Jackson's music style. Temperton mixed his traditional harmony segments with the idea of adding shorter note melodies to suit Jackson's aggressive style.

Other key contributors were Greg Philiganes who had worked on The Jacksons' Destiny album and would go on to collaborate with Michael on Thriller, Bad, Dangerous, and tour with him for the Victory, Bad, Dangerous, and HIStory Tour., The Brothers Johnson, especially Louis Johnson who co-wrote Get On The Floor with Michael which was created around the bass groove. Johnson had been playing around with it when he played it for Michael. He liked it, they went into the studio and collaborated on the song

other contributors included Stevie Wonder (co-writer of I Can't Help It with former Supremes Susaye Greene), David Foster and Carole Bayer Sager (It's The Falling In Love), Paul McCartney (writer of Girlfriend who would later record The Girl Is Mine, Say Say Say, and The Man with Michael in 1982), and Tom Bahler(writer of She's Out Of My Life)

The album did have obstacles. The recording of the album coincided with the European tour of The Jacksons' Destiny World Tour and the promotion of the Destiny album. Many observers feel that maybe Quincy's role in the production of the album has been overexaggerated.

Quincy's main role of the album was quality control, cutting down extra instrumentation and runs and getting particular people in the production. He was the person who got people like Temperton, The Johnsons, John Robinson from Rufus, and Patti Austin on board.
As time went on, Michael felt the direction of the album should be more dance and funk oriented but Quincy wanted a strict, conservative yet versatile album and the duo butted heads over the overall direction, comprising, and finding constant solutions.

Quincy also knew about balance and editing the album to fit the direction, which showed on the final result.

At the end of June 1979, audio mixing was handled by Bruce Swedien at Westlake Audio, after which the original tapes went to the A&M Recording Studio, also located in L.A. for mastering by Bernie Grunman.

OFF THE WALL initially debuted at #48 on the Billboard 200 but peaked at #3 26 weeks later, staying in the top 10 for 29 non consecutive weeks and stayed on the chart for over 2 years. It also peaked at #1 on the Billboard R&B album chart for 16 weeks, along with peaking at #5 on the UK album charts, selling over 19 million copies worldwide, making it the best selling album by a black artist of all time, for 3 years.





Billboard Album 200: #3
Billboard R&B Album- #1 (for 16 weeks)
UK Album Chart: #5
Australia- #1 (for 2 weeks)
Canada- #4
Finland- #9
France- # 27 (1988)
Germany- #25
Holland- #7
Ireland- #12 (2004)
Italy- #21
Japan- #26 (LP), #28 (cassette)
New Zealand- #2
Norway- #4
Sweden- #26
Zimbabwe- #1 (for 7 weeks)

angel345 said:

It´s OK.

What do you mean by that green monster? Sorry, it´s probably some English saying that I don´t know.

Well, those physics probably are taking advantage of Lisa, but if she wants it... She seems to be really desperate. I don´t really care about this news. It´s not a bad or good news to me. To me, it just shows how much she loved him. She´s dealing with it in her own way, obviously.

I also don´t know what to make out of Karen, whether to trust her or not. As for what was posted on her facebook, it didn´t reveal that much again. BTW why would Mike put all the blame on himself when he said in the Schmuley tapes that Lisa betrayed him by not giving him the promised child? Anyways, we´re speculating about something some physic allegedly said.
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Marrk said:

Yeah, how sad. I think that the death thing maybe does not hurt as much as knowing what he had to go through when he was alive and then, when you think about it, you get even sadder knowing that he died when things started to be good again.

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mookie said:

I would think Michael would be more concerned about his children than Lisa, and Karen..