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Thread started 02/26/10 7:32am

murph

Whitney & Mariah Fans...Time For Them To Retire? (VIBE)

I'm sure some Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey fans won't agree with this one.....But VIBE.com thinks the ladies should retire....Of course, I agree.....(since I wrote it...lol)....Nippy and MC heads, give me your thoughts....

http://www.vibe.com/posts...sit-down

Murphy’s Law: Whitney & Mariah… Sit Down


It happens to us all. Sooner or later, we lose it. And the fall-off can be as unmerciful as a strung-out Eddie Kane struggling to keep it together on some nights-like-this-I-wish-that-raindrops-would-fa-ha-ha-ha-all shit. Sometimes it takes a loving nudge or a rude push to jolt a little reality into an individual who doesn’t have the good sense to know when to exit the big stage. With that said, I will invoke the spirit of the Apollo Theater’s feared tap dancing hook man Sandman Sims and do what must be done: Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey—it’s time to retire. Your voices, once fine-tuned, praise-worthy instruments, are now shot to hell.

Yes, we are well aware that you are two of the most acclaimed female vocalists in the history of pop music. We know that combined you have sold well over 300 million albums worldwide. Whitney, the-around-the-way-girl from East Orange, New Jersey blessed with angelic church-trained voice that propelled your self-titled 1985 release to become the biggest selling debut from a female act (24 million copies and still counting, bitches). Mariah, the mixed Long Island chick with the effortless five-octave range who wrote her own lyrics (gasp!) on a string of multi-platinum offerings starting in 1990—eventually eclipsing Elvis Presley for the most no. 1 singles on the Billboard charts with 18. But your slips are showing ladies.

Seeing you both in your current cringe-inducing state gives me the same sick feeling I experienced as a youngin’ when I saw a heartbreaking, past-his-prime Muhammad Ali get pummeled by Larry Holmes or a geriatric Michael Jordan uniform getting his ankles broken by Allen Iverson. It just ain’t right. No, this is not petty ageism at work. If Eric Clapton is allowed to keep his blues rock-God pass at the grizzled age of 64 while making those annoying ass iPhone commercials, then the comparatively pubescent Whitney, 46, and Mariah, 39, should be able to sing until Tracy Morgan wins an Oscar. Unfortunately, two months has not even passed, and we have already seen proof that it’s time for you both—Ms. Houston and Mrs. Carey-Cannon—to go gently into that good night.

Whitney…I get it. You are a survivor. You withstood much-deserved backlash after releasing some of the most soulless, MOR drivel this side of Susan Boyle (remember when you were booed at the Soul Train Awards in 1989?) You soldiered on and won back your black fans (I’m Your Baby Tonight, My Love Is Your Love) and then dropped the biggest selling soundtrack album in history of mankind (The Bodyguard). You got through your equally self-destructive, drug addled marriage to the “KANG OF R&B” Bobby Brown—a disastrous union that became a tabloid wet dream. When your well crafted, yet over hyped comeback I Look To You was released last year, for a moment Clive Davis had us all forgetting that infamous crack-is-wack interview.

But your recent dazed and confused concert performance in Australia was the final verdict. A series of missed and mangled notes and overall strange behavior (Abruptly leaving the stage during songs and slurring your way through a gig is probably not the best way to endear yourself to fans who paid $165 per ticket) displays a woman who evidently still needs to deal with her personal demons instead of headlining a tour. But we're pulling for you Nippy.

As for you Mariah, your continued success post the horrific Glitter has been an enabler of sorts. While it’s easy to place blame on Jermaine Dupri for resuscitating your career with 2005’s Emancipation of Mimi, Janet’s on-again-off-again road dog can’t be blamed for that incessant one-note formula. While no one would ever mistake your live show for an over-the-top Beyonce revue, whispering over pre-recorded vocal tracks just doesn’t cut it. Beyond your questionable penchant for dressing like a horny 17-year prom date in a state of arrested development and a much rumored battle with the bottle (Yo Nick, talk to wifey), the cold, sobering fact is that the soaring vox on 1990’s “Vision of Love” is now overpowered by female rap savior Nicki Minaj on “Up Out My Face.” Given your dubious history on the big screen, it’s kind of cool that you’re getting respectful notice for your role in Precious. Hey, anything’s better than making records with Gucci Mane, right?

Goodnight divas. It’s time to salvage what’s left of your remarkable, legendary careers. At least we've still got Sade.
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Reply #1 posted 02/26/10 7:48am

Harlepolis

I love both ladies,,,,SO MUCH!

But I have to agree. I don't want them to end up just another two versions of Billie Holiday, I don't mean RETIRE, just take a break and give folks a chance to miss you, and meanwhile work out your issues(voices & otherwise).

The last thing I wanna see is watching them fall from grace which will happen if they keep up the lousy work.
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Reply #2 posted 02/26/10 7:57am

murph

Harlepolis said:

I love both ladies,,,,SO MUCH!

But I have to agree. I don't want them to end up just another two versions of Billie Holiday, I don't mean RETIRE, just take a break and give folks a chance to miss you, and meanwhile work out your issues(voices & otherwise).

The last thing I wanna see is watching them fall from grace which will happen if they keep up the lousy work.



Yep Yep...it is what it is.....I hope they're happy with whatever they do...And I want Whitney to get some serious help...But it's time for them to throw down the mic...
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Reply #3 posted 02/26/10 8:06am

seeingvoices12

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I agree regarding whitney tho, Im not sure about mariah tho,but if she kept producing shit , then she needs to go home and cook for her husband.
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Reply #4 posted 02/26/10 8:16am

Harlepolis

I'm afraid Mimi is getting comfortable with hitting the sauce these recent years disbelief

And we ALL know what the end of that street look like if she doesn't seek help.
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Reply #5 posted 02/26/10 8:41am

PricelessHo

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Reply #6 posted 02/26/10 8:46am

Harlepolis

PricelessHo said:



OOOOH nooo you ain't...


Seriously lol I thought you out of everybody would have a say in this,,,
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Reply #7 posted 02/26/10 8:49am

murph

PricelessHo said:




Come on...say what's on your mind....lol
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Reply #8 posted 02/26/10 8:52am

seeingvoices12

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murph said:

PricelessHo said:




Come on...say what's on your mind....lol


He is a huge mariah carey fan, I could understand him tho lol
MICHAEL JACKSON
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Reply #9 posted 02/26/10 9:07am

dag

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Harlepolis said:





Oh, poor thing. I hope the ostrich was OK.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #10 posted 02/26/10 9:42am

PricelessHo

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Harlepolis said:


OOOOH nooo you ain't...


Seriously lol I thought you out of everybody would have a say in this,,,


what was that falloff

on a serious note though, i'm sure both women are well aware of their issues and both are working on them. i know Mariah is, seeing how great she's been sounding on her current tour.

as for the retiring part, i most certainly don't agree with it. i mean both women have got an international market and both are doing quite well so why should they retire?

yes i'd like for MC to take a break, but that's only because a long vacation in her case would be long over due. but i expect her to be no less crazy when she comes back or that's when I will ask her to sit her ass down hmph!
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Reply #11 posted 02/26/10 9:49am

HamsterHuey

Harlepolis said:

The last thing I wanna see is watching them fall from grace


Too late, too late...
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Reply #12 posted 02/26/10 9:53am

PricelessHo

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HamsterHuey said:

Harlepolis said:

The last thing I wanna see is watching them fall from grace


Too late, too late...


Pussy Mouth Strikes Again razz
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Reply #13 posted 02/26/10 9:56am

HamsterHuey

PricelessHo said:

HamsterHuey said:



Too late, too late...


Pussy Mouth Strikes Again razz


I need to change that. LoL

But seriously. Both ladies have lived in lalaland so long that their public appearances are sad affairs. It makes me long for the days when record company moguls kept their craze in check. Same with Prince, btw.
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Reply #14 posted 02/26/10 10:14am

murph

HamsterHuey said:

PricelessHo said:



Pussy Mouth Strikes Again razz


I need to change that. LoL

But seriously. Both ladies have lived in lalaland so long that their public appearances are sad affairs. It makes me long for the days when record company moguls kept their craze in check. Same with Prince, btw.



This line right here..."kept the craze in check"....Brilliant...
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Reply #15 posted 02/26/10 10:16am

HamsterHuey

murph said:

HamsterHuey said:



I need to change that. LoL

But seriously. Both ladies have lived in lalaland so long that their public appearances are sad affairs. It makes me long for the days when record company moguls kept their craze in check. Same with Prince, btw.



This line right here..."kept the craze in check"....Brilliant...


All three mentioned artists had their greatest hits when they had a team behind them to focus their vision.
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Reply #16 posted 02/26/10 10:53am

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whitney is back in the game (for seconds) due to financial reasons, me seems. She'll quit once Bobby Christina's college fund is secured.

Mariah is in the game cuz she its a part of her fantasy. This one is not quitting anytime soon.
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Reply #17 posted 02/26/10 11:10am

murph

HamsterHuey said:

PricelessHo said:



Pussy Mouth Strikes Again razz


I need to change that. LoL

But seriously. Both ladies have lived in lalaland so long that their public appearances are sad affairs. It makes me long for the days when record company moguls kept their craze in check. Same with Prince, btw.



Let's be real here...Record label moguls were never able to keep Prince's "crazy" in check...lol...Even during his prime he was releasing an album per year and doing whatever he wanted bad or good...

As far as bringing Prince into the Mariah-Whitney mix, the difference cannot be more world's a part....Even for folks who no longer can deal with his studio albums, his live show is acclaimed beyond his fanbase..

If you can bring it live (not just go through the motions), you get a pass...
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Reply #18 posted 02/26/10 12:13pm

Harlepolis

HamsterHuey said:

PricelessHo said:



Pussy Mouth Strikes Again razz


I need to change that. LoL

But seriously. Both ladies have lived in lalaland so long that their public appearances are sad affairs. It makes me long for the days when record company moguls kept their craze in check. Same with Prince, btw.


When have they ever though? lol

Back in the day, the streets were the equivalent to the discussions that goes around in these boards.

If you read about Dinah Washington, Billie Holiday and Bessie Smith for examples, they have done way more OUTLANDISH wall-to-wall stuff that make Nippy & Mimi appear like the brown & yellow versions of Mary Tyler Moore. And their antics couldn't be kept in check.

And I only mentioned 3 examples lol

I agree with you however that both dames need to face the music.
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Reply #19 posted 02/26/10 12:25pm

sleepyq

Mimi is still makin great music, and will continue to do so for as long as she wants. E=MC2 was her best album to date, only released 2 years ago. She has plently of juice left in her. She has been consistently comin up with resh melodies and fun subject matter and her catalogue is near flawless save for Charmbracelet and Music Box. Yeah, her voice aint what it used to be, but she still sounds great in the studio and manages aight live.

Whitney... should go crawl into a hole and never come back. She's about as useful as LaToya Jackson right now.
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Reply #20 posted 02/26/10 12:35pm

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I could live without hearing (or seeing) Mariah Carey again.
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Reply #21 posted 02/26/10 1:36pm

murph

sleepyq said:

Mimi is still makin great music, and will continue to do so for as long as she wants. E=MC2 was her best album to date, only released 2 years ago. She has plently of juice left in her. She has been consistently comin up with resh melodies and fun subject matter and her catalogue is near flawless save for Charmbracelet and Music Box. Yeah, her voice aint what it used to be, but she still sounds great in the studio and manages aight live.

Whitney... should go crawl into a hole and never come back. She's about as useful as LaToya Jackson right now.



At least Whitney has an excuse....
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Reply #22 posted 02/26/10 1:38pm

lowkey

the problem for both these ladies is their success was so carefully orchastrated,they never had to really work hard for anything. they both got superstar treatment from the heads of their labels before they even sold a record. mariah moreso than whitney imo cant handle not being on top.i think clive davis selfishly pushed whitney back out into the spotlight when she clearly wasnt ready,the music industry is the last place she needs to be.mariah is fine long as she is selling millions and charting #1 hits, she cannot handle professional failures at all.
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Reply #23 posted 02/26/10 1:42pm

sleepyq

murph said:

sleepyq said:

Mimi is still makin great music, and will continue to do so for as long as she wants. E=MC2 was her best album to date, only released 2 years ago. She has plently of juice left in her. She has been consistently comin up with resh melodies and fun subject matter and her catalogue is near flawless save for Charmbracelet and Music Box. Yeah, her voice aint what it used to be, but she still sounds great in the studio and manages aight live.

Whitney... should go crawl into a hole and never come back. She's about as useful as LaToya Jackson right now.



At least Whitney has an excuse....

So, if u turn up to school without ur homework done, you could just say, "I couldn't do it because I was too busy smoking crack." I wish I lived where ur at.
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Reply #24 posted 02/26/10 1:46pm

sleepyq

lowkey said:

the problem for both these ladies is their success was so carefully orchastrated,they never had to really work hard for anything. they both got superstar treatment from the heads of their labels before they even sold a record. mariah moreso than whitney imo cant handle not being on top.i think clive davis selfishly pushed whitney back out into the spotlight when she clearly wasnt ready,the music industry is the last place she needs to be.mariah is fine long as she is selling millions and charting #1 hits, she cannot handle professional failures at all.

Uhmmm, she had ONE breakdown, and now its "shell always break down when she flops. Lets not forget that Memoirs is pretty much a flop, but i dont see her pounding cars with umbrellas. U cant take 1 incident and then paint an entire picture.

As for Whitney... shes useless and voiceless and needs to go sit her ass down. All she can do now is go breastfeed her daughter.
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Reply #25 posted 02/26/10 1:49pm

murph

sleepyq said:

murph said:




At least Whitney has an excuse....

So, if u turn up to school without ur homework done, you could just say, "I couldn't do it because I was too busy smoking crack." I wish I lived where ur at.



Nah...the drugs explain why Whitney's voice is shot and is still acting nutty onstage..Her problems go beyond music...And to me that's truly tragic...

Mariah on the other hand completely sold out to stay relevant...Beyond the fact that her voice is hit or miss and she dresses like a 17 year old, she seems to be more calculated with her actions...Which is why, she has no excuse....
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Reply #26 posted 02/26/10 1:55pm

lowkey

sleepyq said:

lowkey said:

the problem for both these ladies is their success was so carefully orchastrated,they never had to really work hard for anything. they both got superstar treatment from the heads of their labels before they even sold a record. mariah moreso than whitney imo cant handle not being on top.i think clive davis selfishly pushed whitney back out into the spotlight when she clearly wasnt ready,the music industry is the last place she needs to be.mariah is fine long as she is selling millions and charting #1 hits, she cannot handle professional failures at all.

Uhmmm, she had ONE breakdown, and now its "shell always break down when she flops. Lets not forget that Memoirs is pretty much a flop, but i dont see her pounding cars with umbrellas. U cant take 1 incident and then paint an entire picture.

As for Whitney... shes useless and voiceless and needs to go sit her ass down. All she can do now is go breastfeed her daughter.



where you been, mariah is showing up drunk on stage,she got poor lil nick cannon tryna stage interventions, its only a matter of time before she heads to rehab mark my words.
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Reply #27 posted 02/26/10 2:04pm

DesireeNevermi
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drugs are a terrible thang!



When sexy turns into troll you gozta go!!
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Reply #28 posted 02/26/10 2:23pm

sleepyq

lowkey said:

sleepyq said:


Uhmmm, she had ONE breakdown, and now its "shell always break down when she flops. Lets not forget that Memoirs is pretty much a flop, but i dont see her pounding cars with umbrellas. U cant take 1 incident and then paint an entire picture.

As for Whitney... shes useless and voiceless and needs to go sit her ass down. All she can do now is go breastfeed her daughter.



where you been, mariah is showing up drunk on stage,she got poor lil nick cannon tryna stage interventions, its only a matter of time before she heads to rehab mark my words.

uh-huh. And whered u hear that from? Perez Hilton? bored2
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Reply #29 posted 02/26/10 2:27pm

missmad

as much as I looooove MC- yea i think it would be good 4 her if she took a break then came back with more gr8 stuff.


as 4 whitney- love her 2 but yea girl take a break and get ur stuff in order
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