Why didn't Jan tour off Control?

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Rock wit u was my fav tour by Janet. I can tell she did it for her fsns only. All 4 U tour was the worse. It just didn't cut it 4 me. I been 2 all her tours. I met her and worked with her also and she is a sweety pie[i]

Did u see The Velvet Rope or Janet tours?

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Reply #91 posted 01/26/10 10:03pm

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ernestsewell said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Rock With U was my favorite tour by Janet. I can tell she did it for her fans only [although that's conjecture on my part]. All For You tour was the worst, in my lowly opinion. It just didn't cut it for me. I have been to all her tours. I have met her, and have also worked with her. She is a sweetie pie.

LOL @ working with her. Picking up her used water bottles at a CD signing isn't really "working with her". It's not like you were a dancer, a musician, on tour, on a record, a singer, a producer, or anything of the like.

Or were you the winner of one of the four horrid CD covers that fans did for the 20 Y.O. album? Those were horrid.

U're right, those cd covers were horrid. I entered the cd cover contest and neither of my creations were picked. I thought mine looked 1000% better than what they chose. Not to mention they didn't pick the best pics either.

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Reply #92 posted 01/26/10 10:08pm

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I'm not sure how she thought those were great choices. There HAD to be better choices out there. I saw some online, and they were horrid, but come on.

The only decent idea is the one from Velvet Rope, top left. The bottom left is a good start, but get rid of the band and text, and fill in her silhouette with past images (like MJ's This Is It). The other two are ridiculous.

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Reply #93 posted 01/26/10 10:14pm

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ernestsewell said:

No [Name calling snip - luv4u] . I am an actor. Me & Janet worked on the same show together as child actors. Plus I met her a few times since then and we got reacquainted with eachother. No [Snip - luv4u]. Because U don't know me like that....

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Reply #94 posted 01/26/10 10:14pm

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ernestsewell said:

daPrettyman said:

I'm not sure how she thought those were great choices. There HAD to be better choices out there. I saw some online, and they were horrid, but come on.

I agree. Not to mention the title is horrid. I don't think she came up with the abbreviation until fans started putting it on their covers.

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Reply #95 posted 01/26/10 10:17pm

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daPrettyman said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Did u see The Velvet Rope or Janet tours?

Yeah! I saw all her tours. Because I feel connected to her....

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Reply #96 posted 01/26/10 10:20pm

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daPrettyman said:

ernestsewell said:

I'm not sure how she thought those were great choices. There HAD to be better choices out there. I saw some online, and they were horrid, but come on.

I agree. Not to mention the title is horrid. I don't think she came up with the abbreviation until fans started putting it on their covers.

Now that I look back, yeah it really is confused

That has to be her worse album title

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Reply #97 posted 01/26/10 10:21pm

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What a crock. So you're claiming to either have "worked" on Good Times, A New Kind of Family, Diff'rent Strokes, The Love Boat, or Fame. Is that what you're saying?

Dollars to donuts, if are you are that old (in your 40's, or the end of your 30's), you were some extra in the background, and soon forgotten. Because if you WERE in some show w/ Janet, you'd prove it by pulling up a credible source online (and there are a few). "Reacquainted" = you saying "Hey remember me? I was the kid in the brown shirt, remember? I was 'Party Guest #6'." Then she awkwardly, and lying, says, "Oh yeah, I remember you," then jets out the door faster than Tiger Woods being dropped from an endorsement deal.

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Reply #98 posted 01/26/10 10:23pm

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ROCKWITU is the best show I've ever seen live. Period.

Janet Jackson herself was better than ever in the ROCKWITU TOUR. She looked perfect (even more beautiful than in the magazines), performing with high energy throughout the entire show.

I agree that the opening with the twin J's came across as a bit silly, but the rest could not have been better.

It seems as though the joke is on those who've discounted Janet, as they missed out.

Totally underrated and overlooked, just like the album DISCIPLINE. I find it remarkable that superstars of talent like Janet Jackson can essentially be blacklisted in popular opinion.
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Reply #99 posted 01/26/10 10:24pm

midiscover	Ernest, darling. Stop being an asshole and chile! Those 20 Y.O. covers were It was JD's fault!! Not Janet's.
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Reply #100 posted 01/26/10 10:25pm

midiscover	bboy87 said: daPrettyman said: I agree. Not to mention the title is horrid. I don't think she came up with the abbreviation until fans started putting it on their covers. Now that I look back, yeah it really is That has to be her worse album title JD.
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Reply #101 posted 01/26/10 10:48pm

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Ernest, darling. Stop being an asshole lol

and chile! Those 20 Y.O. covers were confused

It was JD's fault!! Not Janet's.

First off, I'm not an asshole. I'm calling that MFer out. We all know he's lying, or exaggerating to the point of being fiction.

While JD was in the mix, Janet has to take responsibility for her own album cover(s). She, herself, talked about the covers on BET or Ellen (or some other show) and how she liked each each one, and why. She liked the lips being the "0" in "20 Y.O." She liked the silhouette w/ the light behind it, etc etc. She took it on as her own, despite whoever chose the final ones. She didn't turn all of her final say so over to JD.

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Reply #102 posted 01/26/10 10:50pm

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ernestsewell said:

midiscover said:

Ernest, darling. Stop being an asshole lol

and chile! Those 20 Y.O. covers were confused

It was JD's fault!! Not Janet's.

JD is the one that came up with the idea from lurking on Janet forums. So yea it's his fault. He also helped choose the album covers. Yea, it's her album but it's still his fault.

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Reply #103 posted 01/26/10 11:00pm

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Reply #104 posted 01/26/10 11:39pm

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midiscover said:

ernestsewell said:

At first, it seemed "lite" to me. It wasn't as substantial visually as something like The Velvet Rope (heavy curtains, big braided ropes, moving screens, tri-level stage (same one that Cher used later on), and dangling chandeliers), or the janet. tour with it's multi-level, flat screen heavy stage setup. All For You was one big flat stage, no real lifters or levels, other than for the band, and a pseudo-catwalk that came and went at will. There was a lift from the middle of the stage (which was only used once, that I remember, on the regular tour, and twice for the Hawaii show - one being for Missy Elliot's quick rise and fall mid-stage). All For You was very much of a stadium type setup (look at Tina's One Last Time tour setup versus that of Wildest Dreams, it's the same comparison with OLT being an outdoor setup), whereas Velvet Rope and the janet. tour was more compact (yet still big), and had that "inside" feel.

Although George Michael didn't use the horse shoe shaped catwalk for his Live In London DVD, he did use a basic runway, which got him out into the audience. The horse shoe was really for the stadiums, and the runway was for indoors. There were some shows without any catwalk or runway, too. Despite the levels and the complexity of the stage and screens, I still felt 25Live was an indoor tour, although it had plenty of outdoor dates in Europe.

In the end, I think people like that "indoor" feeling. It's like a bubble of a world for that artist, and you're part of it. An outdoor setting has multiple distractions with sunset, planes, traffic noise, or whatever is going on. That doesn't always appeal to people. It's like watching TV outside. It's just better inside sometimes.

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Yea, you're right. I think that's why most fans love the RWU tour. It's her most visually appealing show yet. Janet did donate her VR stage and props to Cher's I Believe tour lol

Also that's why I love the TVR tour so much! Because it felt like we were in her "comfort zone". It went with the whole vibe of the album too.

Cher and Janet just used the same touring company.

Christina used Madge's RIT stage and the Spice Girls used Madge's Confessions stage because they all use Jamie King as tour director.

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Reply #105 posted 01/26/10 11:43pm

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i think Rockwitchu was her most visually appealing show... i like the way she finally started to switch up the set list and try some different things. Gil did a good job of staging, though she needs to look at someone different for projections maybe take some notes from Kylie, Madge, Xtina, Ricky Martin and a couple others and how they use projection in their shows

the costumes, aside from the Black Cat, If, Rhythm Nation one left alot to be desired.

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Reply #106 posted 01/26/10 11:48pm

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Cher and Janet just used the same touring company.

Christina used Madge's RIT stage and the Spice Girls used Madge's Confessions stage because they all use Jamie King as tour director.

The Cher and Janet thing were just a glaring similarity though, same company or not.

Thinking back to Aguilera's tour, I can see the similarity w/ the RIT tour. (Side note: I just downloaded a full video of the RIT tour from Lisbon that just leaked online a while back. I'd never really gotten into that tour or the American Life album, so it's been fun watching it, although the electronica Madonna loses a bit of appeal for me.)

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Reply #107 posted 01/27/10 3:31am

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daPrettyman said:

midiscover said:

The outfits? or the thought of a chubby Janet show?

The staging
The outfits
The music arrangements (or lack thereof)
The choreography
The "new" song choices

So, it wasn't necessarily Janet, it was the overall show that I didn't like.

I liked the mixture of old songs, but I just thought that there were better songs on Discipline for her to perform other than "Never Let U Go" or "So Much Betta". "2nite" should have definitely been in the show. So should have "Can't B Good".

BTW, I don't think Janet was really "chubby" on that tour. She is naturally "thick" and I have NO problem with that!
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I never went to the RWY tour but I have to admit she looked terrible beyond words on that tour. Out of shape, unflattering costumes and that Mohawk was???. It was like Janet deliberately wanted to look bad.

The set list was too much - she tried to cram everything in and I think it just didn't work. 'You want this', 'FHTF', 'ATAP' - might as well not been on the set list they were so short. I always say that Janet should be selective in her set list - making the audience want more or think 'I wish she performs that song on her next tour' rather than 'she's performing that again?"

But it was cool she performed pre- control stuff, that was the real surprise.

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Reply #108 posted 01/27/10 3:34am

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bboy87 said:

daPrettyman said:

I agree. Not to mention the title is horrid. I don't think she came up with the abbreviation until fans started putting it on their covers.

Now that I look back, yeah it really is confused

That has to be her worse album title

Yeah the title 20YO was not a good idea - people thought it was a GH album and it reminded people of Janet's actual age - not something you want to remind people if you're targeting a young crowd.

Those album covers are better than the real one. IMO

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Reply #109 posted 01/27/10 9:23am

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the entire 20 yo project was jd, janet seemed to have no connection to the album at all. jd said in one of his many interviews during that time that he had to 'encourage' janet to record the album, if you have to encourage a recording artist to record chances are they not really into it.that cd contest was terrible and a really dumb idea, jd bragged about how he came up with the idea but i think it backfired.

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Reply #110 posted 01/27/10 9:25am

lowkey	daPrettyman said: lowkey said: i loved all her tours, i've never been disappointed Not even with Rock With U? i thought rwu was her 2nd best behind tvr
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Reply #111 posted 01/27/10 9:57am

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It was her last album for Virgin, and I think that "I'm outta here" mentality bled through to the album itself. It's unfortunate because every artist has this "Let's just give it to them and do something new" album. The album suffers, and the fans suffer from lack of great material. I kind of got that vibe from the project. Plus, JD's fingers in the pool made it a VERY R&B/Urban album, with little pop/radio appeal. Not surprisingly, the only chart it made it to #1 on was the U.S. Billboard Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums. Although it has a handful of decent songs, there are very dark, and unimaginative moments on the track listing like "This Body", and "Do It 2 Me". It seemed more like a JD album, featuring Janet.

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Reply #112 posted 01/27/10 10:00am

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He had to encourage her. Because Virgin records stop promoting her after the Superbowl incident and her contract was almost up with Virgin Records. Jd was head of the urban music division at Virgin and had a say so on artist in that division. He later quit his job after Janet left the label...

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Reply #113 posted 01/27/10 12:09pm

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I just hope all gimmicks are aside and the music itself is the hottest thing on radio and internet. Sometime marketing ploys just don't work. In the past her weight gain or loss was the focus, JD, potential babies, MJ, etc. etc. What about the F***** music? Hopefully Janet, Jam & Lewis, and Rodney have created something special this go round. Rhythm Nation's roll out was perfect. janet. roll out was perfect. Great music was in the forefront, not tabloid fodder crap. If they're going to talk, make them talk about your hit record!

Remember when Miss You Much, That's The Way Love Goes, hell even All For You first dropped? They all were huge instant hits. I remember stations battling to brag about playing Thats The Way Love Goes first. "You heard it first, right here on, W---" or whatever. That's The Way Love Goes at the time was the highest debut on billboard since soundscan went into play in the 90's. I'm not wishing to bring back the old days but she does need to make sure that this music more than anything else is HOT. Everything else can fall in place. A hot single will demand attention

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Reply #114 posted 01/27/10 12:12pm

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

lowkey said:

I think JD was "let go" from his duties right before 20YO was released.

I know he was supposed to release his own album on Virgin as well as Johnta Austin's debut on SoSo Def, but Virgin wasn't having it.

To me, 20YO had the potential for a few hits, but they didn't have the pop appeal. "Enjoy" would have been an excellent 2nd single, then "Take Care" and "With U". Not to mention, there were no real dance songs on the album.

I don't think the Superbowl had anything to do with the bad promotion of 20YO. 20YO just wasn't up to parr.

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Reply #115 posted 01/27/10 12:45pm

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I don't think the Superbowl had anything to do with the bad promotion of 20YO. 20YO just wasn't up to parr.

I agree that 20YO, though an interesting record, seemed to disconnect from Janet's brand of style (DISCIPLINE had this, so I'm saying Janet - not JJ&TL). Therefore, a 20YO tour would have been sort of strange in a way, as the lead album would not have related well to the rest of the songs from her career.

Having said that, the superbowl blacklisting definately held up the promised DAMITA JO tour. DAMITA JO was given the worst promotion, deliberately handled in the worst possible manner so as to be portrayed as a flop. Janet Jackson was treated as THE villain throughout the USA, and the poor single choices were given little radioplay.

DAMITA JO is a fantastic album, much more interesting than ALL 4 U, as would have been the tour. You can almost visualize the tour listening to the title track, as it sounds like it was made just to be featured in a tour.

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Reply #116 posted 01/27/10 1:02pm

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I seem to remember JD being let go (he WAS fired, regardless of how he spins it) after the failure of 20 Y.O.. He made some big statement about it. I think it was Virgin's way of finally getting rid of him, since he had such a heavy hand in the production of the album. Things had already grown sour w/ him and Virgin to that point, but 20 Y.O. was Virgin's scape goat for the dismissal.

You're right about the hits. "Enjoy" should have been the first or second single, instead of the R&B heavy "So Excited" (it could have been 2nd single). "Call On Me" is just annoying to me. I'd love to hear a Nelly-free version.

The whole thing was just a serious nod to how horrible JD's production and alleged songwriting can be.

The Superbowl had zip to do with Virgin's choice to promote or not promote the album. It was so OVER by that point. It was over a week after it happened. I've been perturbed by the lack of promotion on Janet's last couple of albums, like 20 Y.O. and Discipline. The record companies seemed to just dump and stop promotion on them both, for whatever reasons. I mean is Def Jam really that pissy about a single that they'd rather just drop the ball on purpose than really dig into promoting a 3rd single from that album? "So Much Betta" went the way of "Come On Get Up" (from All For You). It was screaming for remixes and a hot video, and went nowhere. There was even a promo single for "Luv" sent out, that never materialized otherwise. "2nite", and "Rollercoaster" were also primed to be singles. (Janet even resings the words "2nite" in "Make Me").

I surely hope the new album, with her old label A&M, will do well.

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Reply #117 posted 01/27/10 2:57pm

midiscover	Okay so Rodney must be retarded or some ish According to Janet's fansites he announced that a he will leak a new Janet song but it has been about 2 weeks since his announcement.
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Reply #118 posted 01/27/10 3:06pm

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midiscover said:

Okay so Rodney must be retarded or some ish whofarted

According to Janet's fansites he announced that a he will leak a new Janet song but it has been about 2 weeks since his announcement.

Its only been 5 days biggrin

Friday, January 22, 2010

Rodney Jerkins gets the 'OK' to release new Janet song
Posted on 1/22/2010 12:29:00 AM ET
Rodney Jerkins revealed tonight on his live Ustream internet web cam show that Janet recently told him that it was OK if he "leaked" onto the internet a new, previously unreleased song that he produced for her.

He did not reveal the date that he would be releasing the track, but only said that it would be sometime soon. No other information about the new song was given.

Jerkins has been working with Janet on her upcoming new studio album since late last year. The anticipated album does not currently have a release date, nor has it been announced what record label, if any, will be releasing it.

Prior to this, Jerkins produced the songs "Make Me," "Feedback," "Luv," "Rollercoaster" and "Curtains" for Janet.

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Reply #119 posted 01/27/10 3:42pm

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daPrettyman said:

For some reason, I feel that Janet will release her next album independently with a record company handling the promotion and distribution. Janet makes more money that way. "Make Me" is the only track on Number Ones that says (P) Queendom. That tells me that may be her record company.

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