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Printableernestsewell said: LittleBLUECorvette said: Brown in 87 was no headliner.
Yep, he wasn't anything until 1988 when his second solo album came out (the first one didn't even chart or rank a Gold status - although I think it sold just enough to be certified Pewter). Bobby's Don't Be Cruel success went well into 1989, and by that time, "Miss You Much" was hitting radio and the album was ready to drop and blow the fuck up. Morris Day or Alexander O'neal would have been good to add on a tour with Janet at the time. Maybe even the SOS Band. A Flyte Tyme tour would have been off tha chain **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: Morris Day or Alexander O'neal would have been good to add on a tour with Janet at the time. Maybe even the SOS Band. A Flyte Tyme tour would have been off tha chain
TOTALLY agree. I think Alexander O'Neal would have been a better choice. Morris was fun, but he would have done a bunch of Time songs, and a handful of stuff from his two solo albums. Actually The TIme were back together in 1990 for Graffiti Bridge. RN1814 tour went from Feb-Nov of 1990. They could have easily stepped in on the 2nd leg of the tour (The "Summer Escapade" leg) and THAT would have been fierce! Janet Jackson Rhythm Nation 1814 Tour with special guest The Time SHIT! HA HAAAA!! | |
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ernestsewell said: midiscover said: Janet is a dancer. Routines, moves, etc. all come naturally when she hears the music. So remembering moves wasn't the problem.She probably didn't feel ready to venture out on a world tour. A&M also believed her next album would be bigger (they were right) so they waited for the next one. And the RN longform videos were all a part of the concept of the album. It's not like all the RN videos were performed in one day!
daPrettyman is right. She wasn't groomed for a tour yet. (Prince wasn't either his first few outings - remember him turning his back on the audience for the course of the show?) Janet isn't a dancer by nature. Sure she has rhythm, but it was Paula Abdul who really gave her some moves. Look at Janet's appearances from her first two albums, and she's very robotic, and "white girl" in her dancing. It was when Paula Abdul made her shake her butt that she started to find her groove when it came to dancing. Anthony Thomas also pushed Janet's limits with his amazing choreography for the RN1814 videos. Tina pushed it even more with sexier moves when the janet. album came out. Watch her videos. You can see her growth as a dancer over those three albums alone, compared to her first two. Anyone can "remember moves", but to nail a move and have a natural groove is totally different. I'd have to disagree with the conjecture of "didn't feel ready to venture out" yet. Every artist wants to get out there, but she also knew she really had one GREAT album to run with, so tight and well-knit television appearances and videos were the natural course for the Control album. Every record company wants, and believes, the next album will be bigger. Her first two albums weren't that huge of sellers, and she went relatively unnoticed as a singer. Control put her on the map, and RN1814 solidified her as a bonafied force in the industry. Eh Janet choreographed with Anthony Thomas on her RN1814 album. He didn't become chief choreographer until the tour kicked off which was in '90. Janet is a natural dancer. Just because she wasn't doing the moves she did in Control on Dream Street doesn't mean she couldn't dance. Plus it didn't go with her image at the time so yea.  | |
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daPrettyman said: ernestsewell said: You're wrong on both counts. Paula, as most all choreographers, was in Janet's videos. She was in "What Have You Done For Me Lately?" and was one of Janet's girlfriends in the theater for "Nasty". Tina Landon was also in "What Have You Done For Me Lately?" as a backup dancer. She became closer to Janet by the time RN1814 came out, but she was around as early as 1986. Janet's choreographer for the RN1814 videos, Anthony Thomas (who was like 6'5 or something) was in, and choreographed, "Miss You Much", "Rhythm Nation", "Escapade", "Alright", and "Black Cat", and probably choreographed "Love Will Never Do (Without You)" as well. Tina Landon took over as chief choreographer for the janet. album, and was in the videos as well. Same goes for her job, and appearance, in The Velvet Rope videos. I haven't watched the RN video collection in a while, but I think Tina was part of the choreography for LWNDWOY Yea, she was. Janet asked her to help with sexier moves. | |
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midiscover said: ernestsewell said: daPrettyman is right. She wasn't groomed for a tour yet. (Prince wasn't either his first few outings - remember him turning his back on the audience for the course of the show?) Janet isn't a dancer by nature. Sure she has rhythm, but it was Paula Abdul who really gave her some moves. Look at Janet's appearances from her first two albums, and she's very robotic, and "white girl" in her dancing. It was when Paula Abdul made her shake her butt that she started to find her groove when it came to dancing. Anthony Thomas also pushed Janet's limits with his amazing choreography for the RN1814 videos. Tina pushed it even more with sexier moves when the janet. album came out. Watch her videos. You can see her growth as a dancer over those three albums alone, compared to her first two. Anyone can "remember moves", but to nail a move and have a natural groove is totally different. I'd have to disagree with the conjecture of "didn't feel ready to venture out" yet. Every artist wants to get out there, but she also knew she really had one GREAT album to run with, so tight and well-knit television appearances and videos were the natural course for the Control album. Every record company wants, and believes, the next album will be bigger. Her first two albums weren't that huge of sellers, and she went relatively unnoticed as a singer. Control put her on the map, and RN1814 solidified her as a bonafied force in the industry. Eh Janet choreographed with Anthony Thomas on her RN1814 album. He didn't become chief choreographer until the tour kicked off which was in '90. Janet is a natural dancer. Just because she wasn't doing the moves she did in Control on Dream Street doesn't mean she couldn't dance. Plus it didn't go with her image at the time so yea. I want to say that I read that Janet took dance lessons when she was younger. Man, you really "defend" J. Nobody is dissing her abilities as a dancer at all. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: midiscover said: Eh Janet choreographed with Anthony Thomas on her RN1814 album. He didn't become chief choreographer until the tour kicked off which was in '90. Janet is a natural dancer. Just because she wasn't doing the moves she did in Control on Dream Street doesn't mean she couldn't dance. Plus it didn't go with her image at the time so yea. I want to say that I read that Janet took dance lessons when she was younger. Man, you really "defend" J. Nobody is dissing her abilities as a dancer at all. She said she took ballet lessons for a month then quit because her teacher hit her. I'm not defending her. It's common logic. She's a dancer by nature. | |
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ernestsewell said: trueiopian said: Tina Landon didn't become Janet's back-up dancer till the RN1814 era. I don't think Paula was ever Janet's back-up dancer, just a choreographer.
Tina Landon was also in "What Have You Done For Me Lately?" as a backup dancer. Um okay. | |
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midiscover said: daPrettyman said: She wasn't groomed for a tour. There is a major difference between a tour and a television performance. I really believe that is part of the reason that JJ did the RN longform video. A&M wanted to get her accustomed to learning multiple routines and performing them all at once. Before she did this, she would learn a routine and after the show was over, she didn't have to remember it. Janet is a dancer. Routines, moves, etc. all come naturally when she hears the music. So remembering moves wasn't the problem.She probably didn't feel ready to venture out on a world tour. A&M also believed her next album would be bigger (they were right) so they waited for the next one. And the RN longform videos were all a part of the concept of the album. It's not like all the RN videos were performed in one day! i could be wrong but lables normally have little to no say in tours seeing as they get no money from them. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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badujunkie said: trueiopian said: Tina Landon didn't become Janet's back-up dancer till the RN1814 era. I don't think Paula was ever Janet's back-up dancer, just a choreographer.
But it would've been cool if she had a Control tour with performances like this - U sure tina isn't in the WHYDFML video?  she is white hat at 1:00 and standing stage left of paula at 1:26 and in the freeze fame right be hind the play symbol is Miss Tina Landan who was a Laker Girl with Paula and how she got the gig. [Edited 1/26/10 0:00am] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ernestsewell said: trueiopian said: Tina Landon didn't become Janet's back-up dancer till the RN1814 era. I don't think Paula was ever Janet's back-up dancer, just a choreographer.
You're wrong on both counts. Paula, as most all choreographers, was in Janet's videos. She was in "What Have You Done For Me Lately?" and was one of Janet's girlfriends in the theater for "Nasty". Tina Landon was also in "What Have You Done For Me Lately?" as a backup dancer. She became closer to Janet by the time RN1814 came out, but she was around as early as 1986. Janet's choreographer for the RN1814 videos, Anthony Thomas (who was like 6'5 or something) was in, and choreographed, "Miss You Much", "Rhythm Nation", "Escapade", "Alright", and "Black Cat", and probably choreographed "Love Will Never Do (Without You)" as well. Tina Landon took over as chief choreographer for the janet. album, and was in the videos as well. Same goes for her job, and appearance, in The Velvet Rope videos. Edit: PS Yes a Control tour w/ those moves would have been great, but most all that choreographer and ideas were more fully realized in the RN1814 tour, so people got to see them live anyway. . [Edited 1/25/10 23:16pm] Tina choerographed Love Will Never Do. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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daPrettyman said: midiscover said: Eh Janet choreographed with Anthony Thomas on her RN1814 album. He didn't become chief choreographer until the tour kicked off which was in '90. Janet is a natural dancer. Just because she wasn't doing the moves she did in Control on Dream Street doesn't mean she couldn't dance. Plus it didn't go with her image at the time so yea. I want to say that I read that Janet took dance lessons when she was younger. Man, you really "defend" J. Nobody is dissing her abilities as a dancer at all. ballet You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Tina’s hard work and commitment would prove to be beneficial when fellow Laker Girl, Paul Abdul would cast her for Janet Jackson’s “What Have You Done For Me Lately” music video. Although that video familiarized Janet with Tina, she still had to prove her worth through several auditions. Tina’s big opportunity with Janet occurred when her talent was recognized and she was asked to join her Rhythm Nation Tour that was dominated by mainly male dancers. During the tour, Janet asked Tina to help her with some moves for the cleavage-heavy “Love Will Never Do” video. Up until then, Janet avoided the sexual image. When she wanted to make that change she asked Tina for a little coaching. “We’re both tomboys,” recalls Landon. “I could understand certain things that would make her feel uncomfortable. She also trusted me enough to know I wasn’t gonna let her go out there looking foolish.”
Janet embraced her new found sex-symbol image and again turned to Landon to choreograph “If”. Tina delivered with a high-energy mix of sassy twists and crotch-grabbing antics that only helped to propel Janet’s new image to the forefront of the music world. Landon admits that working with Janet, who graciously spotlights her team of movers and shakers, has been key to bringing attention to herself and other dancers/choreographers. “With Janet,” Landon explains, “She doesn’t just keep her dancers in the background. A lot of celebrities are intimidated by having either talented or good looking people around them. With Janet, it only makes her that much more confident.” Tina went on to choreograph Janet’s “The Velvet Rope Tour” which put her work center-stage around the globe. Her work with Janet also opened doors to other high-profile artists. She is currently at the front-line of the latest Latin explosion with clients including Ricky Martin, Jennifer Lopez, Christina Aguilera, and Marc Anthony to name a few. From the television screen to the stage she has them all performing her steps. All of Tina’s talent, hard work, and determination have resulted in many awards and accolades. As a five-time MTV Choreography Award nominee, more than Janet and a few artists have recognized Landon’s efforts. Award nomination committees have taken notice as well. The MTV award recipient for Michael and Janet Jackson’s “Scream” and for Ricky Martin’s “Livin La Vida Loca,” Tina has also become an Emmy nominee for her outstanding work on the Velvet Rope Tour, which was an HBO special. The Recipient of Dance Masters of America’s 115th Choreographer of the Year Award, the recent 2000 nominations from the MVPA (Music Video Production Awards) and the Special ALMA Achievement Award. “When you’re a performer,” says Landon, “There is no one way to do it.” http://www.tinalandon.com/tina/ You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Um does anyone know about this new song that leaked or is supposed to leak? | |
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midiscover said: Eh Janet choreographed with Anthony Thomas on her RN1814 album. He didn't become chief choreographer until the tour kicked off which was in '90. Janet is a natural dancer. Just because she wasn't doing the moves she did in Control on Dream Street doesn't mean she couldn't dance. Plus it didn't go with her image at the time so yea.
RN1814 moves were fully Anthony Thomas. They were unique to anything JJ had done before or after that. That's why those videos are still awesome. | |
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trueiopian said: ernestsewell said: Tina Landon was also in "What Have You Done For Me Lately?" as a backup dancer. Um okay. Um.....check the video and the facts. Janet and Tina both have pointed her out in the video. Janet even said, jokingly, "Tina scared me when I first met her when we were shooting 'What Have You Done'," because Tina was so ballsy and "street", and Janet was still breaking out of her shell. 
Tina Landon is in the black pants and white sweater right up front. Paula is to the right in the long, white shirt w/ a belt on. | |
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ernestsewell said: trueiopian said: Um okay. Um.....check the video and the facts. Janet and Tina both have pointed her out in the video. Janet even said, jokingly, "Tina scared me when I first met her when we were shooting 'What Have You Done'," because Tina was so ballsy and "street", and Janet was still breaking out of her shell.
Tina Landon is in the black pants and white sweater right up front. Paula is to the right in the long, white shirt w/ a belt on. reply 39 You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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daPrettyman said: VoicesCarry said: Actually, her performances would suggest otherwise. It's moreso that it was not standard for artists to tour after only one hit album back then. You missed one word....one HIT album! I think she could have done a tour with someone like Maze or the Budweiser Superfest, but she crossed over REALLY BIG when WITOY and LWAW. Those songs were so big for her at the time. Therefore, she had to go on tour with a crossover act. Huh? What word did I miss? "One hit album" is exactly what I wrote.
Also, Janet crossed over from the very beginning with of the Control era. All singles from the album hit the top 10 at Top 40 radio, save for The Pleasure Principle, which peaked at #11. [Edited 1/26/10 2:28am] | |
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I’m glad she didn’t tour with control – she wouldn’t have the accolade of having the biggest debut tour of all time then. | |
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VoicesCarry said: She did a few one-off shows with three or four song sets. I think JackieBlue saw one.
I saw her perform one of these mini sets during the Ringling Brother's Circus at MSG. every year Kiss (the radio station) had what they called Kiss Night at the circus and they would have a hot act perform and that year it was Ms Jackson | |
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banks said: VoicesCarry said: She did a few one-off shows with three or four song sets. I think JackieBlue saw one.
I saw her perform one of these mini sets during the Ringling Brother's Circus at MSG. every year Kiss (the radio station) had what they called Kiss Night at the circus and they would have a hot act perform and that year it was Ms Jackson So lucky! How was her performance? What did she perform? | |
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midiscover said: banks said:
I saw her perform one of these mini sets during the Ringling Brother's Circus at MSG. every year Kiss (the radio station) had what they called Kiss Night at the circus and they would have a hot act perform and that year it was Ms Jackson So lucky! How was her performance? What did she perform? She was good, she didn't have a band with her, It was just Janet and 6 dancers (2 girls and 4 guys).. She performed WHYDFML, Nasty, When i Think Of You and Let's Wait Awhile... It was so funny cause right after Janet peformed half of the Garden left... | |
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banks said: midiscover said: So lucky! How was her performance? What did she perform? She was good, she didn't have a band with her, It was just Janet and 6 dancers (2 girls and 4 guys).. She performed WHYDFML, Nasty, When i Think Of You and Let's Wait Awhile... It was so funny cause right after Janet peformed half of the Garden left... Aw! So cool how you saw her when she was just about 19 years old  Did she lip sync? lol Was she anything like she was on the RN1814 tour? | |
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midiscover said: banks said: She was good, she didn't have a band with her, It was just Janet and 6 dancers (2 girls and 4 guys).. She performed WHYDFML, Nasty, When i Think Of You and Let's Wait Awhile... It was so funny cause right after Janet peformed half of the Garden left... Aw! So cool how you saw her when she was just about 19 years old Did she lip sync? lol Was she anything like she was on the RN1814 tour?Yea... I think she was actually singing live and that mini show was nothing compared to opening night at MSG for the RN Tour... She was a BEAST that night!! | |
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banks said: midiscover said: Aw! So cool how you saw her when she was just about 19 years old Did she lip sync? lol Was she anything like she was on the RN1814 tour?Yea... I think she was actually singing live and that mini show was nothing compared to opening night at MSG for the RN Tour... She was a BEAST that night!! You saw her on the RN1814 tour too! 
I wish experienced 80's Janet/RN1814 tour but I was way too young. How long have you been a fan? | |
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banks said: VoicesCarry said: She did a few one-off shows with three or four song sets. I think JackieBlue saw one.
I saw her perform one of these mini sets during the Ringling Brother's Circus at MSG. every year Kiss (the radio station) had what they called Kiss Night at the circus and they would have a hot act perform and that year it was Ms Jackson Banks, we were probably sitting side by side.  That reminds me, we were someplace else together recently.[Edited 1/26/10 10:11am] Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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midiscover said: banks said: Yea... I think she was actually singing live and that mini show was nothing compared to opening night at MSG for the RN Tour... She was a BEAST that night!! You saw her on the RN1814 tour too!
I wish experienced 80's Janet/RN1814 tour but I was way too young. How long have you been a fan? I always loved Janet since the Good Times days, But i was so happy when she hooked up with Jam and Lewis.. I'm only 5 yrs younger than Janet and i'm really happy that i got a chance to see her come in to her own...I've never missed her when she comes to NY Control Performance at MSG at the Circus RN Opening Night MSG RN (second leg) at Nassau Coliseum Janet Tour Opening night MSG Janet Tour New Years Eve MSG Velvet Rope First show in the US Washington DC Velvet Rope Last show in the US MSG All For You (all 3 nights) at MSG Damita Jo performance in the park for Good Morning America, Then later on that day i hugged her when she came to the HMV i was working part time for the cd signing and i took a pic with her. 20 Y.O performace at the Nokia and later that night the cd signing at Best Buy Rock Wit Tour at the Izod in NJ Rock Wit Tour at MSG | |
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bboy87 said: 
 Thank you so much for posting this. Reminds me of when she was just breaking through. My family loved those videos and songs at our house. | |
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banks said: midiscover said: You saw her on the RN1814 tour too!
I wish experienced 80's Janet/RN1814 tour but I was way too young. How long have you been a fan? I always loved Janet since the Good Times days, But i was so happy when she hooked up with Jam and Lewis.. I'm only 5 yrs younger than Janet and i'm really happy that i got a chance to see her come in to her own...I've never missed her when she comes to NY Control Performance at MSG at the Circus RN Opening Night MSG RN (second leg) at Nassau Coliseum Janet Tour Opening night MSG Janet Tour New Years Eve MSG Velvet Rope First show in the US Washington DC Velvet Rope Last show in the US MSG All For You (all 3 nights) at MSG Damita Jo performance in the park for Good Morning America, Then later on that day i hugged her when she came to the HMV i was working part time for the cd signing and i took a pic with her. 20 Y.O performace at the Nokia and later that night the cd signing at Best Buy Rock Wit Tour at the Izod in NJ Rock Wit Tour at MSG Awesome Which of her shows would you say is her best? Since you've been to each one of them. | |
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midiscover said: banks said: I always loved Janet since the Good Times days, But i was so happy when she hooked up with Jam and Lewis.. I'm only 5 yrs younger than Janet and i'm really happy that i got a chance to see her come in to her own...I've never missed her when she comes to NY Control Performance at MSG at the Circus RN Opening Night MSG RN (second leg) at Nassau Coliseum Janet Tour Opening night MSG Janet Tour New Years Eve MSG Velvet Rope First show in the US Washington DC Velvet Rope Last show in the US MSG All For You (all 3 nights) at MSG Damita Jo performance in the park for Good Morning America, Then later on that day i hugged her when she came to the HMV i was working part time for the cd signing and i took a pic with her. 20 Y.O performace at the Nokia and later that night the cd signing at Best Buy Rock Wit Tour at the Izod in NJ Rock Wit Tour at MSG Awesome Which of her shows would you say is her best? Since you've been to each one of them.for me it would be between the VR and Rock Wit You (I wished more people had attended that tour) | |
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