Is that a whack opinion or could I possibly have a point?

scriptgirl said:

I dunno.. didn't she come out in '84? Seems too early for "Neo Soul" besides her compositions are more fuller and dynamic than neo soul music

She came out at a time when everything was synth-driven.







Corrections: The Band came out when everything was synth-driven.



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her music can't be categorized and I love her for that !

That argument can be made, I think. Tony, Toni, Tone also needs a nod for helping to bridge the gap between old soul and so called neosoul.

xpertluva said:

Especially with "Sons of Soul" and "House of Music". Those albums were definitely "neo-soul" before the term came along.

To me, "neo-soul" was always around. A lot of the songs that were big in the late 80s and the early 90s could be classified as "neo-soul" musically. It was when this young group of black kids that were into this poetry reading started calling it "neo-soul".

I get where you're going with this, but I wouldn't classify her sound as neo-soul.

Neo-soul (to me) is a thow-back to more of an attempt at the 'orignal' soul sound (motwon) whereas Sade is mainstream soul.

sweething said:

Sade is NOT mainstream soul. Never has and never will be. Sade's music is closer to "smooth jazz" than "mainstream soul".

daPrettyman said:

I agree. I've always thought Sade was closer to smooth jazz than anything else, especially the stuff from the 80's.

xpertluva said:

I can agree with you guys; I really wasn't sure how to classify and you're right it is a smooth jazz, yep.

the mark of a truly great artist - no one knows where to put her.

You can say that again. I definately noticed things getting worse beginning in the late 1980s and even worse in the 1990s.



That's a great description because whenever I hear neo soul music, I always think of a black version of those groups of people that used to wear black shades, black pants, and black turtleneck sweaters back in the 1960s gathering in a smoke filled club reading dorky poetry while some fool beats on some bongos. With neo soul, music seemed to be getting so uppity, elite, and "cultured". Hell, put those damn poetry books down, speed things up, bring in some meaningless lyrics like "shake shake it baby" and get back to throwing down!
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Neo-Soul.. the slippery slope. I agree with daPrettyman, on the Smooth Jazz category, but then there's Soul, R&B, and Pop.


On a different ♫.


Killer Blow from movie Absolute Beginners


This a pretty cool flick.
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vainandy said:[quote]

You are hard core Andy! What do you play when you're not in the mood to party and just wanna chill out?

Woops...double post
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Why is Neo Soul a slippery slope?

Neo Soul has a homespun sound, whereas Sade's sound is polished and elegant. The songs' themes may be similar but very different styles.

And I don't believe neo soul is a slippery slope in fact I believe it is the antithesis of hiphop and rap uplifting a segment of the young population to a style that is hip, equally expressive and less downtrodden.

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xpertluva said:

I'm never not in the mood to party and I never simply chill out.

Sade has never been neo-soul.

She's been quiet storm for a while.

scriptgirl said:

Yeah why?
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xpertluva said:

Silence.

Because he is sleeping.
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Does "quiet storm" even exitst as a muscial category anymore?

Donny Hathaway.

What about him

scriptgirl said:

I think he was considered to be the 1st Neo Soul Arists.

They didn't call him that back then, but he seems to be a big influence on a lot of Neo Soul Artists.

I wouldn't disrespect her with that term.

Had no idea so many neo soul artists looked up to Donny. Good for them

I don't know if I could coin Sade's music as "neo-soul" though i get where you could arrive at that idea. I think that she is the one artist who's music cannot be categorized. Her music is a whole other genre in itself.

Paris9748430 said:

The music Donny made was just "soul". There were LOTS of soul singers at the time. A lot of the songs people like Con Funk Shun, Cameo, The Commodores, etc. all could be classfied as "neo-soul", so at the time, it was straight up soul.

i don't have album release dates and all but i'd say Loose Ends before Sade easily. And Soul II Soul and Brand New Heavies would have to be in the conversation too.