TonyVanDam said:

Them too!

Lammastide said:

Kanye has been the only big hip-hop artist to speak on "homophobia" (such an inaccurate buzzword for homosexual bias or homosexual discrimination).
Let's keep it real:
White middle America never gave a damn about the phrase when Cam'ron was using it. Its only when the little white kids listening to 50 Cent, Wayne and the rest of the pop rappers INCLUDING EMINEM started using the phrase. Now its a concern? GTFOH. I'm sticking to what I said - COOL POINTS FOR HER GAY CROWD. I believe she's generally concerned about homosexual discrimination. I also believe that its "pop" to be mad at Kanye since he interrupted the little white chick.

she needs to leave weezy alone . "no homo"

TonyVanDam said:

Glad you brought that up. Let's touch on THAT hypocrisy for a moment. Throughout the evening, ABC kept announcing "Coming up, a performance by Adam Lambert that you'll be talking about tomorrow!" or "....that you won't want to miss!" They promoted it like it was going to be eye popping, and saved it as the finale to the show, which just happens to land around 11 p.m. THEN after the performance, ABC won't show it to the west coast as we saw it on the east coast. When you watch the performance, you can see them trying to cut away during certain times (like the oral sex, kissing the keyboard player), yet failed to cut anything out live. The View wasn't allowed to show it today, because it was "inappropriate". Yet they showed Madonna's tongue hockey match with Britney and Christina over and over when that happened. How is not vulgar to see lesbians, but not gay men? It's gender, and sexual discrimination, and damn near homophobic. Parents balked because their kids saw some homos having fun. My question becomes WHY AREN'T YOUR KIDS IN BED AT 11 P.M.????

Harlepolis said:

she spoke about that the National March for Equality in October

ernestsewell said:

"Strap one on..." That was funny.
Seriously. We know its bullshit for cool points.
Homosexual discrimination, like any other form of discrimination is serious business and should be treated as such.
She should have let Torré control the comment like that. She should have just said that discrimination needs to be eradicated. I was with her on trying to keep things positive instead of drawing negative energy, though. I sensed a little ego with her comment about not wanting to say his name and have "everybody hate him" If its Kanye, I think its safe to say he'll survive because he's always saying stupid shit. Nobody would be surprised and I don't think anyone would hate him any more if they don't hate him already.

BlaqueKnight said:

Every bit of this is likely true... and? When things become visible, that's when they get addressed proportionately. I, for one, am glad, because though I give Kanye points for speaking up... years ago, he sho is co-signing the "no homo" thing these days. If that characterizes our sole "champion" in the genre, I am not at all mad to get another from beyond... even if, yes, she's exploiting her visibility as some new gay icon.
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Lammastide said:

watch the video from the National March for Equality.

ehuffnsd said:

watch the video from the National March for Equality.[/quote]
Why? What difference would it make? Nobody said she's not genuinely concerned about gay rights/homosexual discrimination/etc. You can be an actual proponent of a cause and still use it for cool points if you are a celebrity. Its done all of the time by many people.
Its still not going to make any difference to hip-hop headz. They don't give a damn about Lady Gaga or what she has to say. They might give some serious thought if Jay-Z said something, but not Lady Gaga.

BlaqueKnight said:

Why? What difference would it make? Nobody said she's not genuinely concerned about gay rights/homosexual discrimination/etc. You can be an actual proponent of a cause and still use it for cool points if you are a celebrity. Its done all of the time by many people.
Its still not going to make any difference to hip-hop headz. They don't give a damn about Lady Gaga or what she has to say. They might give some serious thought if Jay-Z said something, but not Lady Gaga.[/quote]
in the video she makes a more general statement about the music industry itself.

BlaqueKnight said:

I'd humor you're correct here, too. But here's the thing: Just as you pointed out earlier, hip hop's consumer base is not just "headz," it's little suburban kids who listen to EMINEM, Kanye AND Gaga. Her comments may not mean a thing to core listeners, but they very well could mean tons to that crossover crowd, who, though advocates of "real" hip hop try to pretend like they care nothing about, are truly the ones keeping food on their tables and rims on their Maibachs instead of on their really nice Audis.

Economics aside, I wish there was more genuine cultural critique of anti-gay sentiment in black diasporan culture. Hip hop is just a spec. And, you're right, Gaga has little pull there. But when the likes of respected cats like Jay-Z aren't taking up the cause -- or when we get the conflicting BS of a Kanye -- what are dudes like me supposed to do, get mad at an outsider who speaks the truth?

Lastly, lost in all this is one fact: If homophobic content didn't exist in hip hop, no one could pull that card... even if they now do so unfairly. I mean, no one is disproportionately accusing rappers of promoting, say, Satanic worship or neo-Nazism... because everyone can clearly see hip hop makes no accommodation for that stuff.
[Edited 11/23/09 15:51pm]

BlaqueKnight said:

I don't know if I agree with that. I'm certain that some gays had issues with the West Coast rappers about homophobia before during the 88-93 era. But none of gays were brave enough to finally speak out about it as well as they would in later years due to issues with Eminem.
[Edited 11/23/09 16:04pm]

ernestsewell said:

2 WORDS: sexual hypocrites

We in general are quick to negativity criticize gay men, but yet we love to put lipstick lesbians & bisexual women on display at every opportunity possible.

This problem happens very offer in rap videos. And now it looks like the ABC Network are letting the double standards happen under their watch as well.

TonyVanDam said:

Well its her opinion on something and everyone can give an opinion on anything they want but its what is relevant and what is not. I mean i can say Ryan Adams is the best artist of the decade and U can say he sucks, but havent heard one album, thats what im talking in terms of relevance. She is entitled to say anything she wants, but theres alot of things that can also be addressed here, like the fact that she uses overt sexual images to sell, i mean what if someone came out and said that tomorrow, i guarantee 90% of this forum would jump on the person saying it. She isnt wrong for her statement its the "brownie points" she is trying to score, as of now she is just viewwed as a nut job, and she is trying to be noticed as someone that has an opinion, which is all fine, but call it what it is. Theres also alot of racism in country music and i dont see that being addressed? The also explotation of women in videos, i mean it would be more relevant if she said women are sexual objects in rap videos, but then she would be putting her foot in her mouth cause she uses sex to sell also.

TonyVanDam said:

I agree on that but the whole lesbian thing is fake, two hot girls kissing is now a thing to get you on youtube, its a fucking fad at this point, this is why this whole "coming out" statements from people like Adam Lambert and Aubrey O Day and Fergie is like, "Ok who gives a shit"

[Edited 11/23/09 17:18pm]

Girl4both said:

I was thinking the SAME thing, hip hop is often the only lightening rod for a lot of negativity that exists in MANY genres of music. Even the hair bands of the '80s with their long hair and makeup wearing selves were homophobic.

SCNDLS said:

Because alot of them were gay themselves, just like a good % of the rappers are closeted gay, this is a known fact.

SCNDLS said:

Yeah... and they don't exist anymore!

lastdecember said:

How is it a fact? Where's that documented and confirmed?

She should be addressing homophobia in America in general.

Hip hop didnt say gay couple couldnt get married, nor did hip hop say that gays couldnt join the military. Hip hop doesnt discriminate. Its the fucking government. If alot of these rappers are homophobic then its because of society's standards - America created homophobia.

Prospect said:

As Eric has repeatedly pointed out, Gaga has addressed homophobia in America in general. She's being fairly consistent here... in a discussion pointedly about popular music and, at Touré's steering, about hip hop.

Lammastide said:

i have af eeling the haven't watched the videos just replying to the thread topic.

All her comments does is make shit hop seem "cooler" to the tasteless people that listen to it. When a celebrity talks about a genre that is as homophobic as shit hop being homophobic, the assholes think it's funny and it just makes them like it more.

The genre is trash is should be ignored. If it's going to be bashed, bash it in ways that they would find insulting. You're not going to insult them by calling them homophobic because they are proud to be homophobic. They think it's "cool" to be homophobic. Hell, bash if for what it is which is the most talentless genre in music history and for a genre to be so homophobic, the so-called "music" is way duller than gay icons in the past such as Judy Garland. Hell, most of us ditched folks like that when much more lively music came out such as disco just like most white folks ditched stuff like classical music when rock and roll came out. Shit hop has gone backwards into time bringing back nothing but slow to midtempo stuff even duller than before rock and roll changed things. Shit hop is way past "gay", shit hop is at the stereotypical "faggot" status. The type of dorky slow shit the people used to try to accuse us of listening to.

It's long past time that we stop crying and begging and hoping that people will "try to understand and accept us". If they're cool with us, fine. If they aren't, fuck 'em. Stop begging for acceptance and start demanding it like the evil bitches that we are. It's time for the weak "sweet" stereotype of us to come to an end.
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[Edited 11/23/09 18:09pm]

Since no one in hip hop is addressing it, I'm glad someone who has millions of ears has. Good for her!!!

ehuffnsd said:

Naw, I aint the video cause I felt I didnt have to since people always act like hip hop promotes hates towards gay people. They wanna hip hop as a scapegoat for everything.
[Edited 11/23/09 18:02pm]

Prospect said:

if you'd watch either video you'd see she always address homophobia in the music industry as a whole.