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PrintableProspect said: ehuffnsd said: i have af eeling the haven't watched the videos just replying to the thread topic.
They wanna hip hop as a scapegoat for everything. [Edited 11/23/09 18:02pm] I don't disagree with you, bro. But, let's face it -- again -- whether or not hip hop is being scapegoated (and it shouldn't be), IF homophobia didn't exist in hip hop, no one could call it out unfairly. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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The interviewer Toure was the one who steered the conversation towards hip hop anyway. He's been writing about rap for too long, and thinks it is the centre of everything.
He was even trying to get Lady Gaga to name names within rap, but she's too smart to play that game. By that point though, she had already been tricked to focusing on the only genre Toure writes about. | |
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Lammastide said: Prospect said: They wanna hip hop as a scapegoat for everything. [Edited 11/23/09 18:02pm] I don't disagree with you, bro. But, let's face it -- again -- whether or not hip hop is being scapegoated (and it shouldn't be), IF homophobia didn't exist in hip hop, no one could call it out unfairly.  | |
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SCNDLS said: lastdecember said: Because alot of them were gay themselves, just like a good % of the rappers are closeted gay, this is a known fact. How is it a fact? Where's that documented and confirmed? Well comments have been made by various ladies that have worked with these rappers on videos, saying that they are more femine than they are, females like Esther Baxter,Coco,Vida Guerra all have said names of different rappers that were hiding the truth, from themselves pretty much. Fact is nothing will ever be confirmed in that genre, i mean Everyone in hollywood knows Tom Cruise is but it will never be confirmed, and yet everyone knows it, kind of like Ryan Searcrest "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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TonyVanDam said: ernestsewell said: Glad you brought that up. Let's touch on THAT hypocrisy for a moment. Throughout the evening, ABC kept announcing "Coming up, a performance by Adam Lambert that you'll be talking about tomorrow!" or "....that you won't want to miss!" They promoted it like it was going to be eye popping, and saved it as the finale to the show, which just happens to land around 11 p.m. THEN after the performance, ABC won't show it to the west coast as we saw it on the east coast. When you watch the performance, you can see them trying to cut away during certain times (like the oral sex, kissing the keyboard player), yet failed to cut anything out live. The View wasn't allowed to show it today, because it was "inappropriate". Yet they showed Madonna's tongue hockey match with Britney and Christina over and over when that happened. How is not vulgar to see lesbians, but not gay men? It's gender, and sexual discrimination, and damn near homophobic. Parents balked because their kids saw some homos having fun. My question becomes WHY AREN'T YOUR KIDS IN BED AT 11 P.M.???? 2 WORDS: sexual hypocrites We in general are quick to negativity criticize gay men, but yet we love to put lipstick lesbians & bisexual women on display at every opportunity possible. This problem happens very offer in rap videos. And now it looks like the ABC Network are letting the double standards happen under their watch as well. That's because those assholes enjoy watching two women together because their little jalapeno dicks aren't big enough to satisfy a woman so they get off on watching someone that actually can satisfy a woman. And then they have the nerve to even ask lesbians if they can join in and have sex with them. Well, I guess so. It's not often that a lesbian gets with a man, if ever, so she's not going to know if a dick is good or not because it's something she's not used to. But a straight woman who is used to dicks would laugh their little vienna sausages out of here. And then they have the nerve to hate gay men. Oh, it takes me to talk about those hypocrital assholes. I've had years of practice.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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lastdecember said: SCNDLS said: How is it a fact? Where's that documented and confirmed? Well comments have been made by various ladies that have worked with these rappers on videos, saying that they are more femine than they are, females like Esther Baxter,Coco,Vida Guerra all have said names of different rappers that were hiding the truth, from themselves pretty much. Fact is nothing will ever be confirmed in that genre, i mean Everyone in hollywood knows Tom Cruise is but it will never be confirmed, and yet everyone knows it, kind of like Ryan Searcrest Then don't call it a "fact." Sounds more like rumors, innuendo, and opinions from a bunch of video hoes who fucked these "homo thugs," got passed around the crew, and THEN called them gay. I've also heard a lot of the same stories, but I certainly wouldn't call them facts. | |
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SCNDLS said: lastdecember said: Well comments have been made by various ladies that have worked with these rappers on videos, saying that they are more femine than they are, females like Esther Baxter,Coco,Vida Guerra all have said names of different rappers that were hiding the truth, from themselves pretty much. Fact is nothing will ever be confirmed in that genre, i mean Everyone in hollywood knows Tom Cruise is but it will never be confirmed, and yet everyone knows it, kind of like Ryan Searcrest Then don't call it a "fact." Sounds more like rumors, innuendo, and opinions from a bunch of video hoes who fucked these "homo thugs," got passed around the crew, and THEN called them gay. I've also heard a lot of the same stories, but I certainly wouldn't call them facts. | |
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Prospect said: She should be addressing homophobia in America in general.
Hip hop didnt say gay couple couldnt get married, nor did hip hop say that gays couldnt join the military. Hip hop doesnt discriminate. Its the fucking government. If alot of these rappers are homophobic then its because of society's standards - America created homophobia. Homophobia was around long before America, as we know it, was. I don't think that discrimination against gay people was just all of a sudden created by mankind after the formation of America. Homophobia was/is not exclusive to America and exists throughout every part of the world. | |
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Vendetta1 said: SCNDLS said: Then don't call it a "fact." Sounds more like rumors, innuendo, and opinions from a bunch of video hoes who fucked these "homo thugs," got passed around the crew, and THEN called them gay. I've also heard a lot of the same stories, but I certainly wouldn't call them facts.  They were engaged and then when they broke up she put him on blast showing some anal toys that supposedly belonged to him. I ain't saying it ain't true, just that these chicks that fuck for fame are not the most credible sources. | |
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PurpleJam said: Prospect said: She should be addressing homophobia in America in general.
Hip hop didnt say gay couple couldnt get married, nor did hip hop say that gays couldnt join the military. Hip hop doesnt discriminate. Its the fucking government. If alot of these rappers are homophobic then its because of society's standards - America created homophobia. Homophobia was around long before America, as we know it, was. I don't think that discrimination against gay people was just all of a sudden created by mankind after the formation of America. Homophobia was/is not exclusive to America and exists throughout every part of the world. not true. modern homophobia as we understand it today can be traced back to Victorian england You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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SCNDLS said: Vendetta1 said: Exactly!!! Remember when Supahead said Eddie Winslow was gay? Didn't she marry him?
They were engaged and then when they broke up she put him on blast showing some anal toys that supposedly belonged to him. I ain't saying it ain't true, just that these chicks that fuck for fame are not the most credible sources.
And I don't believe anything Supahead says. But then again, I don't much trust anything I don't see with my own eyes. | |
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Lammastide said: Prospect said: They wanna hip hop as a scapegoat for everything. [Edited 11/23/09 18:02pm] I don't disagree with you, bro. But, let's face it -- again -- whether or not hip hop is being scapegoated (and it shouldn't be), IF homophobia didn't exist in hip hop, no one could call it out unfairly. Honestly, I just dont like it when non-hiphop artists speak (specifically) on hip hop. She should just stick to addressing homophobia in the industry as a whole. As far homophodia in hiphop, some of hiphop artists do speak on it, of course, most notable Kanye West. | |
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ehuffnsd said: PurpleJam said: Homophobia was around long before America, as we know it, was. I don't think that discrimination against gay people was just all of a sudden created by mankind after the formation of America. Homophobia was/is not exclusive to America and exists throughout every part of the world. not true. modern homophobia as we understand it today can be traced back to Victorian england when folks were wearin them white wigs | |
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Cinnie said: ehuffnsd said: not true. modern homophobia as we understand it today can be traced back to Victorian england when folks were wearin them white wigs  That's the way it goes. Folks that hate us the most are usually closet queens themselves.
. . . [Edited 11/23/09 18:38pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Cinnie said: ehuffnsd said: not true. modern homophobia as we understand it today can be traced back to Victorian england when folks were wearin them white wigs Victorian England had some weird sexual practices. in fact the body piercing Prince Albert is said to have gotten it's name from the fact that Prince Albert, Queen Victoria's husband had one done so he could attch it to his belt to prevent himself from getting an erection. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Vendetta1 said: SCNDLS said: They were engaged and then when they broke up she put him on blast showing some anal toys that supposedly belonged to him. I ain't saying it ain't true, just that these chicks that fuck for fame are not the most credible sources.
And I don't believe anything Supahead says. But then again, I don't much trust anything I don't see with my own eyes.  What the hell??? I can't believe he woulda married her trick ass after she did what she did to him publically.  | |
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Prospect said: Lammastide said: I don't disagree with you, bro. But, let's face it -- again -- whether or not hip hop is being scapegoated (and it shouldn't be), IF homophobia didn't exist in hip hop, no one could call it out unfairly. Honestly, I just dont like it when non-hiphop artists speak (specifically) on hip hop. She should just stick to addressing homophobia in the industry as a whole. As far homophodia in hiphop, some of hiphop artists do speak on it, of course, most notable Kanye West. But this is just it: She only mentioned an unnamed artist... who happened to be a rapper. It was Touré who drew out the genre. And the problems with Kanye, again, are 1) What hip hoppers besides him are speaking out?; and 2) Since he spoke out most notably years ago, what's he done since then? Meanwhile, he's jumped on the "no homo" bandwagon. WTH!?! 
...I recall Common did "Between Me, U and Liberation," where he not so much spoke affirmingly about LGBTs, but at least did call out the hypocrisy of those who speak of liberation while tacitly oppressing LGBTs among others. That was awesome, especially given some of the AWFUL things in Common's lyrics before that. But what has he said since then? [Edited 11/23/09 19:40pm] Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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SCNDLS said: Vendetta1 said: She got interviewed on the Doug Banks show a few months ago and said she married him. I was thinking: what tha fuck is wrong with both of them?
And I don't believe anything Supahead says. But then again, I don't much trust anything I don't see with my own eyes. What the hell??? I can't believe he woulda married her trick ass after she did what she did to him publically. BTW, she got mad at DeDe because she kept bring up the Supahead thing. | |
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Prospect said: Lammastide said: I don't disagree with you, bro. But, let's face it -- again -- whether or not hip hop is being scapegoated (and it shouldn't be), IF homophobia didn't exist in hip hop, no one could call it out unfairly. Honestly, I just dont like it when non-hiphop artists speak (specifically) on hip hop. She should just stick to addressing homophobia in the industry as a whole. As far homophodia in hiphop, some of hiphop artists do speak on it, of course, most notable Kanye West. attack the messenger regardless if the message is right? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Cinnie said: when folks were wearin them white wigs Victorian England had some weird sexual practices. in fact the body piercing Prince Albert is said to have gotten it's name from the fact that Prince Albert, Queen Victoria's husband had one done so he could attch it to his belt to prevent himself from getting an erection. An erection would be very obvious in those pantyhose they used to wear. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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lastdecember said: Shouldnt someone in HIP HOP be talking about this??? I mean she is not relevant to that genre so why bother? This would be like Quarterback Tom Brady saying "hey theres too much downtime in a baseball game"
No one in the scene appears to care, so it would make sense for someone outside of it to speak up. Gaga  let us enjoy ourselves, this rhythm is ill. i want to sit on your penis | |
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Vendetta1 said: SCNDLS said: What the hell??? I can't believe he woulda married her trick ass after she did what she did to him publically. BTW, she got mad at DeDe because she kept bring up the Supahead thing. She KILLS me when she gets indignant when people call her Superhead.  You rode the fame train on your back and on your knees and was proud of your antics. But, now you wanna act holier than thou when people call you on your shit even though you outed your own self. Nobody would know anything about her if she didn't put herself out there. Bitch, please!  | |
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BenaimanBawkah said: lastdecember said: Shouldnt someone in HIP HOP be talking about this??? I mean she is not relevant to that genre so why bother? This would be like Quarterback Tom Brady saying "hey theres too much downtime in a baseball game"
No one in the scene appears to care, so it would make sense for someone outside of it to speak up. Gaga | |
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ehuffnsd said: PurpleJam said: Homophobia was around long before America, as we know it, was. I don't think that discrimination against gay people was just all of a sudden created by mankind after the formation of America. Homophobia was/is not exclusive to America and exists throughout every part of the world. not true. modern homophobia as we understand it today can be traced back to Victorian england Oh I am sure you could go back further than just jolly old England to find other forms of homophobia throughout history. Yes Victorian England had its various sexual hang ups and practices well documented and written about in modern times. Many of America's founders brought these types of belief systems and implanted them into the American culture. So I suppose that the kinds of attitudes and prejudices towards gay people in America are largely from a Victorian view of sexuality. But you could also find, in various other cultures, such as in certain parts of Asia like China, Japan and Russia for example, where homosexuality is also considerably frowned upon and people are disowned by their families because of sexual preference. [Edited 11/23/09 19:35pm] | |
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vainandy said: An erection would be very obvious in those pantyhose they used to wear. Victorian England was 1830-1860 You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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PurpleJam said: ehuffnsd said: not true. modern homophobia as we understand it today can be traced back to Victorian england Oh I am sure you could go back further than just jolly old England to find other forms of homophobia throughout history. Yes Victorian England had its various sexual hang ups and practices well documented and written about in modern times. Many of America's founders brought these types of belief systems and implanted them into the American culture. So I suppose that the kinds of attitudes and prejudices towards gay people in America are largely from a Victorian view of sexuality. But you could also find, in various other cultures, such as in certain parts of Asia like China, Japan and Russia for example, where homosexuality is also considerably frowned upon and people are disowned by their families because of sexual preference. [Edited 11/23/09 19:35pm] no the influence of England was very strong. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: PurpleJam said: Oh I am sure you could go back further than just jolly old England to find other forms of homophobia throughout history. Yes Victorian England had its various sexual hang ups and practices well documented and written about in modern times. Many of America's founders brought these types of belief systems and implanted them into the American culture. So I suppose that the kinds of attitudes and prejudices towards gay people in America are largely from a Victorian view of sexuality. But you could also find, in various other cultures, such as in certain parts of Asia like China, Japan and Russia for example, where homosexuality is also considerably frowned upon and people are disowned by their families because of sexual preference. [Edited 11/23/09 19:35pm] no the influence of England was very strong. In America, yes. In India, maybe somewhat. Not in China, Russia or even in Japan. Again I am just using these 3 countries in Asia as an example. Other examples of homophobia can be found throughout every country in the world to one degree or another. | |
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PurpleJam said: ehuffnsd said: no the influence of England was very strong. In America, yes. In India, maybe somewhat. Not in China, Russia or even in Japan. Again I am just using these 3 countries in Asia as an example. Other examples of homophobia can be found throughout every country in the world to one degree or another. in preChristian cultures homosexuals were common and accepted parts of the culture even up into the middle ages in parts of Europe there were as well every village in the new world had a berdache. read Imago thread on ladyboys homophobia as we understand it today is a fairly modern invention and most experts tie to Victorian England and it's influence. at the time of Victoria the sun never set on the British Empire. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: PurpleJam said: In America, yes. In India, maybe somewhat. Not in China, Russia or even in Japan. Again I am just using these 3 countries in Asia as an example. Other examples of homophobia can be found throughout every country in the world to one degree or another. in preChristian cultures homosexuals were common and accepted parts of the culture even up into the middle ages in parts of Europe there were as well every village in the new world had a berdache. read Imago thread on ladyboys homophobia as we understand it today is a fairly modern invention and most experts tie to Victorian England and it's influence. at the time of Victoria the sun never set on the British Empire. There has always been varying degrees throughout history in terms of what was viewed as being either tolerable or intolerable. Even The Romans, who were not known for being the most tolerant of people(s), did not seem to have much of a problem with homosexuality. Same with The Greeks. So some cultures were more accepting of it than others. That still does not change the fact that there are other countries and cultures dealing with their own issues of homophobia which are not traced back to England. | |
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