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Printablevainandy said: That's because those assholes enjoy watching two women together because their little jalapeno dicks aren't big enough to satisfy a woman so they get off on watching someone that actually can satisfy a woman. And then they have the nerve to even ask lesbians if they can join in and have sex with them. Well, I guess so. It's not often that a lesbian gets with a man, if ever, so she's not going to know if a dick is good or not because it's something she's not used to. But a straight woman who is used to dicks would laugh their little vienna sausages out of here. And then they have the nerve to hate gay men. Oh, it takes me to talk about those hypocrital assholes. I've had years of practice.  Andy you better PREACH that shit!! | |
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vainandy said: That's because those assholes enjoy watching two women together because their little jalapeno dicks aren't big enough to satisfy a woman so they get off on watching someone that actually can satisfy a woman. And then they have the nerve to even ask lesbians if they can join in and have sex with them. Well, I guess so. It's not often that a lesbian gets with a man, if ever, so she's not going to know if a dick is good or not because it's something she's not used to. But a straight woman who is used to dicks would laugh their little vienna sausages out of here. And then they have the nerve to hate gay men. Oh, it takes me to talk about those hypocrital assholes. I've had years of practice. Exactly.  It's the myth that all lesbians would allow a man to get involve to make it a threesome. Never mind the reality that lesbians want women only.
I can never tell fellow straight men anything.  But yet, they'll be the first to bitch about their wives/girlfriends leaving them for other women. Idiots. [Edited 11/23/09 22:04pm] | |
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As a woman , she ought to first address misogyny and objectification in hip hop. But nah...that's not important. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: As a woman , she ought to first address misogyny and objectification in hip hop. But nah...that's not important.
It's not that I don't find this to be a problem, but who exactly dictates what she should address first?
I think her point is valid and I don't understand why so many people have such a problem with her standing up for what she believes in. 
stupid typo edit [Edited 11/23/09 22:42pm] HE'S COMING AGAIN | |
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Vendetta1 said: Exactly.
 
DesireeNevermind said: As a woman , she ought to first address misogyny and objectification in hip hop. But nah...that's not important.
One thing at a time, sheez. Besides, being a woman, you do realize that she's going to be attacked if she brings that up? I'm not saying that the misogyny isn't a problem, because it makes me sick, really. But seriously, give it time. let us enjoy ourselves, this rhythm is ill. i want to sit on your penis | |
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DesireeNevermind said: As a woman , she ought to first address misogyny and objectification in hip hop. But nah...that's not important.
How about the objectification in her own damn videos | |
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Protege said: DesireeNevermind said: As a woman , she ought to first address misogyny and objectification in hip hop. But nah...that's not important.
It's not that I don't find this to be a problem, but who exactly dictates what she should address first?
I think her point is valid and I don't understand why so many people have such a problem with her standing up for what she believes in.
stupid typo edit [Edited 11/23/09 22:42pm] Well I don't have a problem with her addressing homophobia (even though I think she is insincere about it) I'm just sad that she doesn't address the objectification and degradation of women which is far more prevalent in rap and hip hop. I mean is she alright with every hip hop song having bitch and Ho as pretty much a mandatory part of a rap lyric? Is she okay with women strolling around half naked in hip hop videos? oh wait Gaga does that shit too.  | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Is she okay with women strolling around half naked in hip hop videos? oh wait Gaga does that shit too.
Okay, I'm going to have to stop you there. There is a HUGE difference between someone doing that kind of thing by choice, and being forced to, with the alternative being dropped from the label. She's a willing participant, and apparently, she enjoys doing it, so is it really such a big deal? That's like saying that porn stars give women a bad name. Maybe they do, but it's not like someone holds a gun to their head. And why is it always that the women are the ones that people look at? I mean, I've not once heard a dude see another dude in a porno, and go "he gives dudes a bad name". Or seen someone watch a music video and see 50 Cent half dressed and say "he makes men look bad". Also, not all hip-hop deals with "bitches" and "hos". Granted, a large portion of it does, but there are more cerebral types out there who don't get that, and don't perpetuate it. [Edited 11/23/09 22:59pm] let us enjoy ourselves, this rhythm is ill. i want to sit on your penis | |
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DesireeNevermind said: As a woman , she ought to first address misogyny and objectification in hip hop. But nah...that's not important.
if you watched either video you'd see that as well You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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BenaimanBawkah said: DesireeNevermind said: Is she okay with women strolling around half naked in hip hop videos? oh wait Gaga does that shit too.
Okay, I'm going to have to stop you there. There is a HUGE difference between someone doing that kind of thing by choice, and being forced to, with the alternative being dropped from the label. She's a willing participant, and apparently, she enjoys doing it, so is it really such a big deal? How do you know she isn't doing it to prevent being dropped from her label? Have you seen the way she used to look? It's bad enough she's ripping off Bozzio but clearly she has taken on a look that represents sex and borders on the whole S&M look. Maybe the powers that be told her she had to come up with something eye catching and sexy or else no one would care about her music. Just a thought. I mean who in their right mind would walk around looking like a dirty tampon on purpose. That's like saying that porn stars give women a bad name. Maybe they do, but it's not like someone holds a gun to their head. Um...maybe, maybe not. But drugs do play a roll and even Jenna Jamison herself said that all the shit you have to do to your looks in order to present that porn star image are not worth it. and that chick has made millions unlike most porn stars. And why is it always that the women are the ones that people look at? I mean, I've not once heard a dude see another dude in a porno, and go "he gives dudes a bad name". Or seen someone watch a music video and see 50 Cent half dressed and say "he makes men look bad". Because women are on the receiving end of some of the nastiest shit in those pornos. Plus the camera is mostly on them and not the dude. Also the dudes tend to be ugly unless it's gay porn, then they are kind of cute. As for 50 cent being half dressed...well I'm bias b/c the dude is HOT! He does men a favor. LOL | |
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ehuffnsd said: DesireeNevermind said: As a woman , she ought to first address misogyny and objectification in hip hop. But nah...that's not important.
if you watched either video you'd see that as well she mentioned the word "misogyny" then went on to talk about homophobia. That is not enough IMO. And i only see one vid here for her (58 seconds in length). If she talks about misogyny in the same detail and with the same dedication as homophobia then please share that with me. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: BenaimanBawkah said: Okay, I'm going to have to stop you there. There is a HUGE difference between someone doing that kind of thing by choice, and being forced to, with the alternative being dropped from the label. She's a willing participant, and apparently, she enjoys doing it, so is it really such a big deal? How do you know she isn't doing it to prevent being dropped from her label? Have you seen the way she used to look? It's bad enough she's ripping off Bozzio but clearly she has taken on a look that represents sex and borders on the whole S&M look. Maybe the powers that be told her she had to come up with something eye catching and sexy or else no one would care about her music. Just a thought. I mean who in their right mind would walk around looking like a dirty tampon on purpose. That's like saying that porn stars give women a bad name. Maybe they do, but it's not like someone holds a gun to their head. Um...maybe, maybe not. But drugs do play a roll and even Jenna Jamison herself said that all the shit you have to do to your looks in order to present that porn star image are not worth it. and that chick has made millions unlike most porn stars. And why is it always that the women are the ones that people look at? I mean, I've not once heard a dude see another dude in a porno, and go "he gives dudes a bad name". Or seen someone watch a music video and see 50 Cent half dressed and say "he makes men look bad". Because women are on the receiving end of some of the nastiest shit in those pornos. Plus the camera is mostly on them and not the dude. Also the dudes tend to be ugly unless it's gay porn, then they are kind of cute. As for 50 cent being half dressed...well I'm bias b/c the dude is HOT! He does men a favor. LOL She recently told Rolling Stone how she fought with her label over the photo for the album cover of The Fame Monster: "They were like, 'It's confusing, it's too dark, you look gothic, it's not pop,' and I said, 'You don't know what pop is, because everyone was telling me I wasn't pop last year, and now look - so don't tell me what pop is. I know what pop is.' " Take that. Gaga has built her entire mythology around doing exactly what she wants and not caring what anyone thinks - except her fans. Striking a balance between remaining true to herself and appealing to a mass audience is a tightrope act she has mastered. And there are more acts to follow. "The whole world sees the No. 1 records and the rise in sales and recognition," she told the Observer in June. "But my true legacy will be the test of time, and whether I can sustain a space in pop culture and really make stuff that will have a genuine impact." She thanks Andy Warhol, David Bowie, Prince, Madonna and Chanel in The Fame's liner notes - hardly a bunch of wallflowers, and all strong personalities with an instinctive and evolving sense of style. "You'll never see me in flip-flops and a T-shirt," she told the New York Times. Not one to go unnoticed, she has made outrageous fashion an integral part of her persona. Her endless array of eye-catching outfits is designed by a personal crew of stylists called Haus of Gaga, which also worked with her on the elaborate stage sets for her Monster Ball tour. "This is my own creative team," she says, "modelled on Warhol's Factory. Everyone is under 26 and we do everything together." Evolution is the theme of both Gaga's new album and upcoming tour, which she describes as a pop-electro opera. Having grown from misfit teen to flamboyant superstar, she knows about change. She incorporates that knowledge into The Fame Monster, exploring new themes and identities in her writing. "Each one of these songs . . . represents a different demon that I've faced in myself, so the music is much more personal," she said to Rolling Stone. "I don't write about fame or money at all on this new record." Instead, she explores nothing less than "the evolution of humanity and how we begin as one thing, and we become another." http://www.canada.com/ent...story.html You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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DesireeNevermind said: ehuffnsd said: if you watched either video you'd see that as well she mentioned the word "misogyny" then went on to talk about homophobia. That is not enough IMO. And i only see one vid here for her (58 seconds in length). If she talks about misogyny in the same detail and with the same dedication as homophobia then please share that with me. there is a second video on page 2 You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: DesireeNevermind said: Because women are on the receiving end of some of the nastiest shit in those pornos. Plus the camera is mostly on them and not the dude. Also the dudes tend to be ugly unless it's gay porn, then they are kind of cute. As for 50 cent being half dressed...well I'm bias b/c the dude is HOT! He does men a favor. LOL She recently told Rolling Stone how she fought with her label over the photo for the album cover of The Fame Monster: "They were like, 'It's confusing, it's too dark, you look gothic, it's not pop,' and I said, 'You don't know what pop is, because everyone was telling me I wasn't pop last year, and now look - so don't tell me what pop is. I know what pop is.' " Take that. Gaga has built her entire mythology around doing exactly what she wants and not caring what anyone thinks - except her fans. Striking a balance between remaining true to herself and appealing to a mass audience is a tightrope act she has mastered. And there are more acts to follow. "The whole world sees the No. 1 records and the rise in sales and recognition," she told the Observer in June. "But my true legacy will be the test of time, and whether I can sustain a space in pop culture and really make stuff that will have a genuine impact." She thanks Andy Warhol, David Bowie, Prince, Madonna and Chanel in The Fame's liner notes - hardly a bunch of wallflowers, and all strong personalities with an instinctive and evolving sense of style. "You'll never see me in flip-flops and a T-shirt," she told the New York Times. Not one to go unnoticed, she has made outrageous fashion an integral part of her persona. Her endless array of eye-catching outfits is designed by a personal crew of stylists called Haus of Gaga, which also worked with her on the elaborate stage sets for her Monster Ball tour. "This is my own creative team," she says, "modelled on Warhol's Factory. Everyone is under 26 and we do everything together." Evolution is the theme of both Gaga's new album and upcoming tour, which she describes as a pop-electro opera. Having grown from misfit teen to flamboyant superstar, she knows about change. She incorporates that knowledge into The Fame Monster, exploring new themes and identities in her writing. "Each one of these songs . . . represents a different demon that I've faced in myself, so the music is much more personal," she said to Rolling Stone. "I don't write about fame or money at all on this new record." Instead, she explores nothing less than "the evolution of humanity and how we begin as one thing, and we become another." http://www.canada.com/ent...story.html I would eat all that up with a bag of chips if her label weren't Interscope. Me thinks that's a bunch of media bullshit. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: ehuffnsd said: She recently told Rolling Stone how she fought with her label over the photo for the album cover of The Fame Monster: "They were like, 'It's confusing, it's too dark, you look gothic, it's not pop,' and I said, 'You don't know what pop is, because everyone was telling me I wasn't pop last year, and now look - so don't tell me what pop is. I know what pop is.' " Take that. Gaga has built her entire mythology around doing exactly what she wants and not caring what anyone thinks - except her fans. Striking a balance between remaining true to herself and appealing to a mass audience is a tightrope act she has mastered. And there are more acts to follow. "The whole world sees the No. 1 records and the rise in sales and recognition," she told the Observer in June. "But my true legacy will be the test of time, and whether I can sustain a space in pop culture and really make stuff that will have a genuine impact." She thanks Andy Warhol, David Bowie, Prince, Madonna and Chanel in The Fame's liner notes - hardly a bunch of wallflowers, and all strong personalities with an instinctive and evolving sense of style. "You'll never see me in flip-flops and a T-shirt," she told the New York Times. Not one to go unnoticed, she has made outrageous fashion an integral part of her persona. Her endless array of eye-catching outfits is designed by a personal crew of stylists called Haus of Gaga, which also worked with her on the elaborate stage sets for her Monster Ball tour. "This is my own creative team," she says, "modelled on Warhol's Factory. Everyone is under 26 and we do everything together." Evolution is the theme of both Gaga's new album and upcoming tour, which she describes as a pop-electro opera. Having grown from misfit teen to flamboyant superstar, she knows about change. She incorporates that knowledge into The Fame Monster, exploring new themes and identities in her writing. "Each one of these songs . . . represents a different demon that I've faced in myself, so the music is much more personal," she said to Rolling Stone. "I don't write about fame or money at all on this new record." Instead, she explores nothing less than "the evolution of humanity and how we begin as one thing, and we become another." http://www.canada.com/ent...story.html I would eat all that up with a bag of chips if her label weren't Interscope. Me thinks that's a bunch of media bullshit. lady gaga was part of the NY Club scene before she was a recording artist. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: DesireeNevermind said: she mentioned the word "misogyny" then went on to talk about homophobia. That is not enough IMO. And i only see one vid here for her (58 seconds in length). If she talks about misogyny in the same detail and with the same dedication as homophobia then please share that with me. there is a second video on page 2 I;ll gladly watch it. I see blank spot (no vid). I can youtube it myself if you give me the title. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: ehuffnsd said: there is a second video on page 2 I;ll gladly watch it. I see blank spot (no vid). I can youtube it myself if you give me the title. http://www.youtube.com/wa...r_embedded You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Vendetta1 said: Since no one in hip hop is addressing it, I'm glad someone who has millions of ears has. Good for her!!!
Exactly. At least she's saying something. It's been a long time since a pop star has had anything to say. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: As a woman , she ought to first address misogyny and objectification in hip hop. But nah...that's not important.
She's addressed double standards before, not specifically for hip hop though. Girl needs to brush up on her feminism homework though: "I'm not a feminist, I love men."  | |
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purplesweat said: DesireeNevermind said: As a woman , she ought to first address misogyny and objectification in hip hop. But nah...that's not important.
She's addressed double standards before, not specifically for hip hop though. Girl needs to brush up on her feminism homework though: "I'm not a feminist, I love men."  She does. HE'S COMING AGAIN | |
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ehuffnsd said: DesireeNevermind said: I;ll gladly watch it. I see blank spot (no vid). I can youtube it myself if you give me the title. http://www.youtube.com/wa...r_embedded thank you. watched it, and again she mentions the word "misogyny" but does not go into detail or speak on it with the same passion as the homophobia. all she said was the word. as a woman I am disappointed in her that she, as a woman, is not addressing misogyny and inequality for women. | |
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purplesweat said: DesireeNevermind said: As a woman , she ought to first address misogyny and objectification in hip hop. But nah...that's not important.
She's addressed double standards before, not specifically for hip hop though. Girl needs to brush up on her feminism homework though: "I'm not a feminist, I love men." true dat! | |
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TRON said: TonyVanDam said: Kanye West spoke out against homophobic lyrics in hip-hop/rap a while back. Even today, he is THE only rap artist to do so. Yes, but unfortunately it's impossible to take him seriously about anything else so his comments were more than a little irrelevant too. Considering if he's either pulling publicity stunts or he has lost his mind  | |
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SCNDLS said: Vendetta1 said: Exactly.
BTW, she got mad at DeDe because she kept bring up the Supahead thing. She KILLS me when she gets indignant when people call her Superhead.  You rode the fame train on your back and on your knees and was proud of your antics. But, now you wanna act holier than thou when people call you on your shit even though you outed your own self. Nobody would know anything about her if she didn't put herself out there. Bitch, please!  I love it when she plays her "I'm too intelligent to dignify this with an answer" broken record everytime they(radio personalities) bring out the "Superhead" thing
I mean you sleep with bulldogs, I bet your ass is gonna wake up with dung beetles,,.,what else? | |
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this thread is all over the place
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Harlepolis said: SCNDLS said: She KILLS me when she gets indignant when people call her Superhead. You rode the fame train on your back and on your knees and was proud of your antics. But, now you wanna act holier than thou when people call you on your shit even though you outed your own self. Nobody would know anything about her if she didn't put herself out there. Bitch, please! I love it when she plays her "I'm too intelligent to dignify this with an answer" broken record everytime they(radio personalities) bring out the "Superhead" thing
I mean you sleep with bulldogs, I bet your ass is gonna wake up with dung beetles,,.,what else? She trots Superhead out fast enuff when she's promoting a book tho. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Exactly. It's the myth that all lesbians would allow a man to get involve to make it a threesome. Never mind the reality that lesbians want women only.
i distinctly remember coming out in my sophomore year of highschool and this guy in my religion class asked me. "You mean if two girls were making out in front of you, you wouldn't go to town on them" and I couldn't even begin to make him comprehend they probly wouldn't be interested in a guy getting in between them... oh straight men... [b][Edited 11/24/09 5:49am] 2012: The Queen Returns | |
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I have been listening to The Fame reissue all week constantly.
I fucking love Lady GaGa. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: As a woman, she ought to first address misogyny and objectification in hip hop. But nah...that's not important.
Really? Girl identifies as bi. If she must dice herself into parts and prioritize her identity politics, which part gets first dibs? ...And who besides her should decide? Anyway, believe me, if she did as you say, it'd be: * "Oh, that white chick is just scapegoating rap to endear herself to female/white fans." (As if she didn't already have them in her pocket.) * "What about 'Dear Mama?'" 
* "She should stick to mysogyny in pop -- specifically pop made by other women... who are weird and bottle blond... and born in '86... and from New York... with questionable orthodontic work." Where does it end?
Long story short, folk (and here "folk" would be hip hoppers, fans, defenders, whatever) just do not -- do not -- DO NOT!!!  like being publicly called on their $#@!! They will use every red herring, ad hominem argument, and rabbit-out-of-a-hat trick under the sun to cloud the issue. But the fact they resort to such things often suggests the stone has hit its proper target dead on.
I've got mad respect for everyone on this thread so far, but some o' y'all are killing me with these parrying attempts. [Edited 11/24/09 10:10am] Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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