when was the last time anyone has watched BET or watched any kind of hip hop music video of today? its been about four or five years since ive seen a hip hop music or watched BET because im tired im really tired of this recycled manufactured not only music but the image that has set black people back 100 years or more its like a modern day ministral show on these BET MTV2 music videos of today

does any body else noice this? almost all the music videos are the same
-all the women in the club dressed half naked shaking their asses in front of the camera around these full dressed who look like they dont have any sense

-the men looking just as crazy with their grills jewelry sports cars just looking as dumb and ignorant as they can possibly be

-the materalism and the ridiculous music that plays along with these videos

and whats worse is that they spread this crap to the rest of the world so this is all what the rest of the world sees about black people esp black women who are protrayed as being whores with no diginity and deserving of no respect which is how they are shown in these videos and im just tired of it

and here i am on this website discovering all these old black music videos and concerts or just music in general as far back as the 50s and im just watching thinking to myself man have we forgotten? have we forgetton our roots in which our music came from? have we forgetton our old MJs Isley Brothers Princes and James Browns forefathers who have brought black music to the forefront and made it popular today?

everything has been lost the creativity everything has been lost in the dust and i think its too late to bring it back because weve become so ingrained in this negative hip hop image for too long and its KILLING us literally

i can say more but i dont want to make this too long what do you think?

oh yeah and SAVE THE MUSIC!

I Saw this video the other day.

PurpleDiamond2009 said:

What? You don't like bitches and hoes?

well what else is new

Its like watching a 1920s Minstrel show, Shit hop videos feature guys with big lips and gold teeth and jewels going "Yeah, yo ho Shamika" type nonsense, and show escalades with gold rims on them, and some dude in a black suit with sunglasses and roaring ghetto doggs with guns and that ping pong style beat. They alsways have really busty girls who look about 18 and have names like Imunique and Shaqueeta, doing a shimmy sdhimmy dance wearing nothing but a bikini brief and a shoe lace around their breasts.
Its "shuffle long darkies, with the hot chocolates of 1936" for the 21st century.

Huggiebear said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

OJ DA JUICEMAN??? FOR FUCKING REAL???!?!?!

To lend a not-so-condescending yet not coddling hand to this subject: This is what the lovely people at Viacom air. This is not something that Hip Hop has done on purpose. Videos are made with far less obscenity, but they've even been quoted proclaiming certain videos "too smart" for their audience. They'd rather air the horrific ultra bleeped version of every terrible song they can name over something by Common. The more thought out videos that require an actual treatment and creative process are not going to make their Top 10 countdowns and are of absolutely no use to them. Mind you, videos, rap videos specifically, only air on 106 and Park The Deal (which airs at 2 AM) and some daytime program that may or may not be cancelled. Leaving countless postive videos (which just can't possibly exist to some of you people... I'm just going to call you ignorant) out of the rotation.

So where have these other videos gone? Unnoticed and probably unaired. That's not to say they aren't shot, and certainly not to say they aren't trying to get their voices heard. You people (who I will also refer to as snobs and many other things that aren't belittling, just nearly spot on assumptions about you all) think that people who ar involved with Hip Hop WANT THIS BULLSHIT? I'm a female lyricist whose DREAM is to 'sing' the songs that I feel haven't been heard. To apply my experiences to music and maybe show others that you don't just rap if you want money. (Doctors get paid too, but blood has never been my thing.) Art is what I believe in. Artistry is what I display. It's a craft, and what is being represented on BET is not the craft that I have known and loved. Now, whether you're all just pulling these things out of your asses or you just actually believe with lemming-level devotion in the bullshit shown to you is another agrument. ALL HIP HOP ARTISTS AND ITS ADVOCATES ARE NOT GOLD TOOTHED, DRUG DEALING, GUN TOTING BUFFOONS. Furthermore, we aren't all morons and more recently described "coons". Many of us have integrity, but you don't ever look for what's not on display.

It's the arrogance of many of you that thoroughly pisses me off. As much as I love Prince, I cringe whenever I enter this specific area of the board to see what baseless and completely DUMBASS remarks have been made by people who don't give a fuck or know a damn thing about Hip Hop. My obvious anger aside, you feel and think what you will. But it's not justified, and can be proven wrong. Hip Hop is not the machine behind this, because the major labels NOT THE JOINT VENTURES THAT RAPPERS MAKE WITH SAID MAJORS are in control of what goes out and when it does. The labels do not requrie their artists to make anything other than MONEY. If you don't make them money, you don't have a job. Those same people are the ones shooting the videos that you don't like. Meanwhile, the indie artists don't have the capital to take their videos to BETs offices. They can't get slots like Beyonce (and she's doing some kinky shit too) and they don't get pandered like Jay-Z. This is a case of the HAVES and HAVE NOTS. Don't think this is Hip Hop's fault when you should all be smart enough to know this is a RECORD BUSINESS.

BTW: Jadakiss' video 'on trial' was on an album that Jay-Z helped make happen. So, the hero is the villain now... Or is he? Please don't take any of my comments out of context, they are what they are. Everyone likes to point out the bad in Hip Hop, like the pet that keeps pissing on your overpriced ornamental rugs. Train the damn dog, or get rid of the rug. In this case, you'd rather complain about it. The piss soaked rug in this case, is the "Black Music". GEEZ! Why the hell do people seem to make everything racial? So if you see a white woman in a Hooters commercial, do you automatically think all white women are eager to please big breasted twits? See, I thought not. BTW, Hooters commercials air in between programs not shown on basic cable, RAP VIDEOS DON'T. Pick a real fucking battle. If people thought my "Beyonce" post was outrageous, I'd love to see what's said about this one. As you were...

Peace, Hip Hop & Purple Rain
Goddess Cru... Apparently the Angrier Version
[Edited 11/17/09 13:40pm]

The thing is this particular "rap model" is what the "hair metal" phase was in rock in the 80's. What you had then was the same type of mentality, the girls, the drugs, the drink, the sex, the motherfucking SALES$$$$$. All those groups are dead and buried now and the machine still goes, on to what it can sell next. SEX is the easiest fucking thing to sell, why? because we all want it, get it, need it, fucking desire it in every way. Music is a stimulant now, no one wants content or at least not enough want content. CASE IN POINT look at the fucking balloon kid story, how many jumped on that?? you know how many people were murdered that day, you know how many died in battle in the wars we started?? No because you want the simple fix, you dont want content, i when i say YOU i dont mean YOU in particular i speak of this public that is demanding it, watching it, buying it, suckinng on it. IF it makes you that ill, turn it off, dont buy the ringtone, dont buy the magazine, dont do it, sooner or later it will motherfucking crash and burn like a hair metal band did.

PurpleDiamond2009 said:

THATS the ONLY reason I watch hip hop videos!

It's a trend that doesn't seem to be going anywhere soon. The worst part of it is that artists with more creativity with their videos are pushed to the side. BETJ transition to Centric showed that they've had more creative videos in their possession and chose not to show them. It has created the impression that your videos has to fit in this 'pimped out, bottle popping, booty shaking' mold to get airplay. Even credible artists such as Beyonce are making booty videos. When she started out with Destinys Child they were covered up respectably. They started wearing less and less then when she went solo the progression continued till she just wearing leotards and heels in almost every video and front paging her ass over her vocal ability.

So what if it sells. Some people have no musical taste and want to follow a pack type mentality, I can bet you very few College Professors like Lil Wayne, or Lil Jon or any of these Soulja Boy type rappers.
I still stand behind my minstrel show analogy (There were many shows that had black troops of minstrels, who actually blackened their faces and made their lips look bigger) and white people suppported Minstrely in their thousands. Black music like this rap stuff today are just the latest ina long line of opposition to crude forms of music since the first jazz music critics in the 1910s talked about "Crude syncopated ebony rhythms from people like Fate Marabelle and the Dixieland Jazz band" (Who were not even black). What I am saying before you all start baying RACIST, is we need to start making and producing more socially responsible musical forms than having some gold toothed gang banging thug with a gun and bling bling next to a pitbull, scantily clad hos and a rimmed out Escalade, whose song glorifies violence, pimping, drugs and uses a curse word suggesting maternal incest all the time.
[Edited 11/18/09 12:54pm]

Huggiebear said:

Huggiebear said:

When do they ever mention the girls' names in a video??? Please, tell me ONE hip hop video that says a girl has a name like that. You REALLY have some odd fixation about "ghetto" names. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm gonna assume you're not black or American but it's interesting that you love to post these types of comments. What's that about?

SCNDLS said:

American degenerative culture, it wrecked our country amngst our Maoris and Pacific Islanders, I am a white New Zealander with some Maori blood, and I am on the warpath as one of my Maori cousins called her son "Lagetto Triniece" after some rap video she saw a couple of years ago. The silly little girl was 16 and she like many other less intelligent Polynesian New Zealanders worships these rappers like they are living Gods.

^ Wow! You make it sound like the occult. Dude, it's not OUR [America's/Hip Hop's] fault people choose to live as lemmings. I love Prince something fierce, but the stretch marks on my ass won't allow me to wear assless pants, so I don't. The girl, to which you refer, made her choice. Make your exit and let her drop off the cliff, buddy. In the meantime, you could try not painting in such broad strokes because this portrait is rather shitty...
[Edited 11/18/09 21:46pm]

GangstaCru said:

It is a cult buddy, its like these rappers want to be portrayed as stupid and ignorant (Eg. Their deliberately bad spelling (Mine is just typos mostly) and their use of ebonics and swear words). Why I have no problems with them acting this way themselves, I do when these fools are influencing other people too, and trying to spread the message, you can become wealthy off acting like a clown. I have never liked any music that has degraded a group of people as badly as rap has been for the African American people.

PurpleDiamond2009 said:

Wow how fucking racist is this?

Firstly, since when was the black races' development determined by an image an entertainer sells? The message YOU'RE sending alone reinforces a stereotype about us far more than any rapper. the "How Far We've come" argument shouldn't be measured by how well a select few of us perform as entertainers, why? because individuals are individuals, when I go out everyday I'm not thinking about being an exemplary model for my race/religion/nationality and neither I expect do you because we no longer live in Jim Crow era, Segregated America. So if you become embarrassed because YOU think these rappers make YOU look bad because they share the same color of skin as you do is YOUR problem. This is fucking 2009. Race is a social construct, how much emotional investment you put into it is entirely up to you.

Secondly, I no longer watch rap videos. The only thing I used to watch them for was the fine ass girls. Now I just watch twerk team


[Edited 11/19/09 1:54am]

There are some decent ones out there, the video hoes are everywhere though:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...VZX-W3vo9I
(or any Kanye for that matter, except maybe Gold Digger)






(This one is even speaking out against the gangsta lifestyle/music).
[Edited 11/19/09 2:42am]

Huggiebear said:

Uh huh, whatever, but you didn't answer my questions:
When do they ever mention the girls' names in a video??? Please, tell me ONE hip hop video that says a girl has a name like that. You REALLY have some odd fixation about "ghetto" names.

Considering that you've started no fewer than FOUR threads this year alone specifically about "ghetto" names, I want to know what your issue is cuz from where I'm sitting at, it's just an excuse to espouse some real racist bullSHIT.
[Edited 11/19/09 7:45am]

Huggiebear said:

That's why African Americans are so looked down upon. Because the base of what people see from hip hop. Not that they have not in the past, however even my own partner told me that he thought African Americans were not that smart BECAUSE of it. I was angry, however I understood what he meant and cannot blame him because it is what was presented to him growing up.

Im hoping with Obama being president that we really can wash this away, however its going to take ALOT MORE action from the media to override negative stereotypes (which wont happen with shows like I Love New York and Real Chance Of Love and the mess coming out like that), which we know full and well that will not happen, so it is only up to us individually to change ourselves, our children and others around us alike away from the images of what they say we are supposed to be. No one is going to do it for us.

I'm not hip hop's biggest fan but i feel the need to respond. Most videos, not just hip hop, are overflowing with cheesiness, sex, and/or blandness.

Videos mean nothing to me. I refuse to take them seriously in any way. To me, they are like cotton candy- light, doesn't fill me up or meet any of my needs, but doesn't hurt me either, unless I have too much.

Maybe there was a millisecond in the beg when videos could have been more than a marketing tool. But even then the cheese factor was high. You only have to look at the very first vid MTV showed. There are some cheesetastic ones I like from that era. And it wasn't long after that people figured out that if you use sex, it helps (see Madonna, Duran Duran, and the metal bands lastdecember pointed out).

Maybe people are more overt now (although I don't know how much more overt than "Girls on Film" u can't get- I haven't seen that vid for over a decade but i can close my eyes and still see some scenes), but it's probably because they can get away with more than before.

If there's moral degredation, it started long before hip hop came along. And Hip Hop, like other genres, is a symptom and not the cause.

Quixotic said:

I don't know why folks are acting like ALL current popular music videos are NOT oversexed and degrading to women. I guess it just serves certain people's agendas, to place the focus on hip hop videos (read: black).
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SCNDLS said:

Hip Hop gets bashed on this point because it's the videos the channels choose to push over the ones they don't. It's noticeable that a mansion, some half naked women and cars will get airplay over a more conceptual storytelling video by another rapper. So the labels push the artists to make videos that will get airplay and the cycle continues. I'd like for music channels to be more diverse in the videos they show. I like a nice booty video as well but not 10 of them back to back. Mix it up and challenge the audience to evolve past the sterotypical rapper lifestyle that's been promoted.

Considering that you've started no fewer than FOUR threads this year alone specifically about "ghetto" names, I want to know what your issue is cuz from where I'm sitting at, it's just an excuse to espouse some real racist bullSHIT.
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I have started two, one in June, one in early October and both were popular, so there also, get your facts straight. There was one other I responded to, before my first one, and it was started by someone else not me. You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder with me and my fleeting interest in "Ghetto Names" as you put it. I also bought those threads up, as in my country they are planning on banning certain sorts of names mostly African American derivatives. I assume you are a radical of some sort? Let me guess H.Rap Brown?
As for calling me a racist, next time you do I will report you to the mods and get you define what racism is, like I do with my students who are usually Polynesian when I teach Black Civil Rights at my school, and I get the to go into my senior History class to explain to them what racism is (They usually go silent).
Besides what do you think Martin Luther Junior would have thought of people calling their kids names like Brianal and Emmesha, or rap videos by Plies and Lil Wayne?

Huggiebear said:

Fleeting interest my ass cuz you brought it up AGAIN here, when it's entirely irrelevant. And as for facts, again, name me a "hip hop" video that SAYS a girl has a name like the ones you mentioned since according to you it's such a prevalent occurrence.

I just did a search of some of your posts and for someone living in New Zealand you seem to love throwing the word ghetto around, referring to a ghetto lifestyle, and criticizing black/urban culture. Have you ever been to an American ghetto to intelligently determine what living in the ghetto is really like??? If not, it's crazy that you're sitting around watching hip hop videos and assuming that's a ghetto lifestyle whatever the fuck that is.

Here are a few examples of threads YOU have started recently:

http://prince.org/msg/8/321381 Trap rap should be banned (You came up with this after watching a single video and proceeded to make a bunch of wrong conclusions)

http://prince.org/msg/8/313621 What is the most offensive rap song or rapper of all time

Your comment on this thread: "Those big lipped muthafuckas are always ugly, same for Jay Z and Biz Markie, now they are ugly" http://prince.org/msg/8/322457?&pg=5


Oddly enough, I can't find all of your ghetton names threads which I found last month and posted when you created your last "ghetto names" thread.

I can't believe you're a teacher cuz I would expect a lil more sensitivity on your part regarding kids' names but apparently they're ghetto to you.

What is the most ghetto name you have heard http://prince.org/msg/100/309120

This ain't some fleeting shit.
[Edited 11/19/09 13:53pm]

Let me again say that the ignorance of some you is ASTOUNDING. Why should I feel that my entire race is misrepresented when a smaller part of the group is acting like a bunch of coons? I'm smart enough to walk out of the door everyday knowing that I don't dance unless there's music and I damn sure am not a monkey. You people must sip that kool aid through crazy straws because this is still complete and utter bullshit. The moment anyone lets a person they've never met DEFINE WHO THE FUCK THEY ARE they don't deserve your pity or consideration. Just live your life... Ooops! That's a positive rap song. Gotta go, my 15 chillen with GHETTO NAMES need their mammy. REALLY NOW!?

Peace, HIP HOP, & Purple Rain
Goddess Cru... Too Brown to Be Down
[Edited 11/19/09 14:48pm]

SCNDLS said:

I am starting to worry you are some kind of stalker,
[Edited 11/20/09 0:56am]

I just did a search of some of your posts and for someone living in New Zealand you seem to love throwing the word ghetto around, referring to a ghetto lifestyle, and criticizing black/urban culture. Have you ever been to an American ghetto to intelligently determine what living in the ghetto is really like??? If not, it's crazy that you're sitting around watching hip hop videos and assuming that's a ghetto lifestyle whatever the fuck that is.

Here are a few examples of threads YOU have started recently:

http://prince.org/msg/8/321381 Trap rap should be banned (You came up with this after watching a single video and proceeded to make a bunch of wrong conclusions)

http://prince.org/msg/8/313621 What is the most offensive rap song or rapper of all time

Your comment on this thread: "Those big lipped muthafuckas are always ugly, same for Jay Z and Biz Markie, now they are ugly" http://prince.org/msg/8/322457?&pg=5


Oddly enough, I can't find all of your ghetton names threads which I found last month and posted when you created your last "ghetto names" thread.

I can't believe you're a teacher cuz I would expect a lil more sensitivity on your part regarding kids' names but apparently they're ghetto to you.

What is the most ghetto name you have heard http://prince.org/msg/100/309120

This ain't some fleeting shit.
[Edited 11/19/09 13:53pm]
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My guess is you are trying to pin the label RACIST on me , because I take exception to stupid names, rap music and I mentioned someone having big lips, God I must be a new Nazi Considering I grew up in a low income ghetto (They exist outside of America you know, the term is actually a Venetian term referring to where the Jews were sequestered in Medieval European cities, it only got attached to America in the 20th century. I also have big lips myself and my term about "Biglipped Muthafuckas" comes from the fact they are not exactly attractive looking guys. I used swearwords a lot as its part of my upbringing and I drop my academic pretences at home, you obviously omitted to read the parts in my threads where I did like rap music years ago. I even defended Snoop Doggy Dogg, but unlike you I have outgrown this rubbish and have learnt how this music is wrecking our communities.
As for calling me ignorant and alluding me to being a racist I have already referred you to the mods. Don't call me ignorant and say I don't know what a ghetto is, I grew up in one, maybe you might want to read about a place called South Auckland.

Huggiebear said:

Please, don't flatter yourself. I see a pattern that is not "fleeting" and I'm perfectly entitled to comment on it.
[Edited 11/20/09 6:44am]