Harlepolis said:

According the Lenon Honor's, the song Umbrella is about a woman (Rhianna) who allows herself to be rape AND possess by a demonic spirit (Baphomet) in order to have a success career despite of an upcoming economical crisis on the earth.

The way Lenon figured out the symbolisms throughout the video & song lyrics is very interesting.

TonyVanDam said:

Do you have a video/interview from him?

That guys a certified nut.

Harlepolis said:

part one (of twenty-one ) http://www.youtube.com/wa...EkANn1IBaQ

Harlepolis said:

Sending orgnote.

Cinnie said:

I told Harle that via orgnote.

TonyVanDam said:

WTF. I thought that song was about someone telling another person how they'd be with them no matter what they have or don't have.

TonyVanDam said:

Um, I have. That's why I think this thread is such utter bullshit.

BenaimanBawkah said:

If that is the case of your opinion, when why are you still posting in THIS very thread (assuming that setting up flamebaits isn't one of those reasons)?

You motives doesn't make any sense at all (not only in my opinion, but fact as well).

Its so easy to be condescending and pull the cop out "utter bullshit" sign I guess it gives some people comfort for lack of understanding from their part,,,,,or just PLAIN laziness.

I'm not fazed by all of this either, but I have a kid who's a huge fan of Rihanna,,,,,I cannot afford to be naive at all, how could I have this discussion with her if I'm NOT informed(which is the least thing I could do - EVEN If I wasn't a parent, just to get a clue).

No, I think not having an open mind to different possibilities(and YES, other ppl's beliefs) IS the utter bullshit.
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Harlepolis said:

Exactly. Plain laziness is all it is.

bboy87 said:

Its funny because its true.

TonyVanDam said:[quote]

Harlepolis said:

I'm open to anything, I've seen strange things in my life and always listen when i hear stories of Indian magic or other paranormal stuff. But I also don't jump into the stuff feet first. Just because they have rituals and so forth don't mean there is a devil, and the vids do show some evidence however, they discredit themselves and look foolish by reading every little gesture as some sexual thing or devil sign. More than anything, it makes these guys look like absolute losers who sit around thinking all this shit up. Now, that does not mean there are not some strange things going on, that is why i'm interested in spite of it all
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mozfonky said:[quote]

TonyVanDam said:

I'm inclined to think that not every discovered clue was intentional, however, the evidence overall is still compelling.

mozfonky said:[quote]

TonyVanDam said:

Fair enough from your end but I'll quote BlackKnight's earlier point....

It doesn't matter what you believe at this point anyway. If a person who believes that they are going to get 72 virgins if he blows himself up walks into a room with you in it, your beliefs or lack thereof won't matter because his beliefs will dictate the outcome of your existence. If a group of very rich men believe that you have to sacrifice someone in the name of a goat god, then what you believe wouldn't matter if they are holding the keys to the gate you are trying to enter.

And...

Whether one believes in any divine being or not does not negate the idea that others do. Although you personally may or may not believe in God or the devil or demons doesn't mean that other people don't.

Like I said earlier, I'm not fazed by other people's choice of belief,,,,,BUT I don't underestimate them either nor their influence.

but do we really believe that when Prince throws up the wild sign that he's actually throwing up 666? i mean REALLY?

TonyVanDam said:

It's not plain laziness, I'm just not a fucking dumbass who believes whatever the fuck is spoonfed to me. I have a mind of my own, and I use it for stuff that's not as fucking trivial as some fairy-tale fucking organization that might or might not take over the world.

The main reason 90% of symbols are misinterpreted is that they can't be interpreted. Different cultures develop different meanings for them, it's that simple. What's evil to one person is good to another.

The pentagram is a symbol for Venus, and the feminine form. The hexagram is a unity of male and female. Marriage, if you will. Other cultures disagree with this, because they've come to define these symbols as evil, and connected with Satan or like dark forces.


So please, don't act like I'm ignorant. I'm saying what I've learned, not what I assume based on my own biased and highly unintelligent opinion.

BenaimanBawkah said:

Ben. The two of us need
look no more.

piepie1976 said:

I don't think so.

But it makes ALOOOOOT of sense why so many of his unreleased music remain shelved.

Not saying by any means that he was part of the Illuminati, but I'll def say that he might've observed them from a close distance based on what I observed from some of his outtakes(82-87).

BenaimanBawkah said:

So if u hear or read something that you've never heard about before,
do u dismiss it as trivial/fairy-tale or do u research it?

Cinnie said:

Harlepolis said:

What is interesting about these comments is that no matter what u believe.....it does not change or impact the TRUTH.....and there is ONLY 1 of those.

Harlepolis said:

''I'm POSSESSED''

Cinnie said:

Thanx for bringing that to mind, I forgot about it,,,,,Crystal Ball drops some hints too(thats what I meant by his observation)

BenaimanBawkah said:

You don't want anyone to look at you like you're ignorant AND laziness. But yet, you also think it's OK to negativity stereotyped some of the people as "f***ing dumbasses" in THIS very thread simply because they're convince that there is something evil going on with the music industry and its use of symbolism.

You really need to be ashame of yourself for the double standards AND the name-calling.

TonyVanDam said:

Hey hey, I didn't call anyone anything. Read my post again. I made sure not to.

The use of symbolism is, yet again, what I said. Open to interpretation. It's not like everything is set in stone. The Christian cross is the frequent topic of debate, because people wonder if the thing that their Messiah was strung up on is the thing that they should really be using as a symbol for their religion. Some agree that it should be, to remember his sacrifice, some disagree.

My whole point is that I'm not a sheep. If I hear something outlandish, I tend to look it up, and actually research it, rather than relying on Youtube videos to show me what other people want me to see.


By the way, I wouldn't get so proud of yourself. Get off the high horse and proof-read.

BenaimanBawkah said:

Just so you know, I already knew plenty of information about symbolism (especially those of the occult) long before I knew of anyone else making/posting videos on YouTube about it. So don't get it twisted.

I didn't say anything about you in specific. I never mentioned names. Guilty conscience?

BenaimanBawkah said:

I have low to zero tolerance on flamebaits. Why? Are you pleading guilty of dropping them?

Harlepolis said:

I disagree.I don't have to have an open mind for garbage. This whole thread, IMO, is a joke.
That doesn't mean that I don't have an open mind to different possibilities but that doesn't mean you can feed me sh__ and I'm gonna be open minded enough to call it filet mignon.

TonyVanDam said:

Laziness?

For not believing the BS you choose to believe?
What's wrong with that picture?
Just because someone says it doesn't make it fact, doesn't make it real, doesn't mean it had to be listened to or believed.