Chic35 said:

I can believe you on that.

posting so i can remember to catch up on the rest of this tomorrow.


AWESOME thread, guys

What has been so bad about Anita's life? And why was her childhood rotten?

[color=blue][color=blue][b]Basically it is like two women in the same kitchen trying to cook at the same time...Divas and Divas' can't get along for shit...
Luther had run ins with Anita Baker, En Vogue and Aretha Franklin.
The one with Aretha resulted in the GET IT RIGHT album being temporarily halted n 1983. She addressed in her book, and he in his. They fell out on three different occasions. The '83 situation was meted out by Valeries Simpson and Cissy Houston. Luther said a few unflattering things to Aretha in the studio and he got called for what he was by the soul Queen (the eff bomb insult word according to sources there). The main problem, as was referenced by another blogger in regards to Curtis Mayfield, they both tried to tell Miss Ree how to sing - and she don't like that!
There was also a falling out over his producer guaranteed fees and over the duet of "Doctor's Order" (she hated the mix and wanted to replace Luther with Glenn Jones on it)...Aretha also has major problems with females, period, ones born with vaginas and ones that wish they had been born with them, LOL.
Martha Revees, Gladys Knight, Natalie Cole, Patti LaBelle, Mary J. Blige, Diana Ross, Mavis Staples, Carole King, Leontyne Price, Mahalia Jackson, Beyonce` Knowles, Tina Turner and James Cleveland.
BTW, Aretha chartered the plane to Martin Luther King's funeral in Atlanta, and Gladys Knight and The Pips hitched a ride with her down there, and she felt like they were ungateful.
When Natalie Cole exploded on the scene, several of the tunes on her first album were targeted for Aretha, but she turned them down, as she did with "Upside Down" and "I'm Coming Out" by Nile Rodgers and the late Bernard Edwards (Chic's two front men, and everyone knows those cuts ended up on Ross and were smashes). Aretha sent Natalie flowers and a congrats telegram. In concert during that time, Aretha did a cover of "This Will Be". Some of Aretha's camp heard Natalie giggle about 'old girl must be running scared, she doing my songs in concert now', and it was on and popping. Natalie tried to speak to Aretha backstage at either the Grammys or the American Music Awards with a 'Girl have you been getting my messages, I have been calling you and you haven't returned my calls' - according to sources, Aretha made a sound of like 'hmpgggh' and grunted and pushed Natalie aside and kept walking. One of The Pips recalled Gladys speaking to Aretha backstage once and Miss Knight was totally igged. Bubba spoke to her and she chatted with him, and was informed Gladys spoke to you, of which there was no response. Gladys recalled a similar incident in her book when as a child she met another child named Aretha Franklin, and she extended her hand and said, "Hi, I am Gladys Knight", of which the young Franklin girl looked at her like she was crazy. The stories are numeorus. Chaka once said according to sources, "I am glad she never has cussed me out" LOL.
Also the Joss Stone proposed duet with Aretha Franklin was called off after Aretha's demands were beyond the pale.
Aretha, Anita Baker, Whitney Houston, Mikki Howard, [color=blue]Diana Ross and Luther all have/had reputations for being absolute bitches and rude - Patti LaBelle is not too far behind with her phoney ass.[/color][/color][/color]
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Where did you get this from-I have never liked Patti either. She doesn't hide her bitch well. Then again, maybe that is the point.

RnBAmbassador said:


In this case, divas and one queen....

Still waiting to hear about Anita

Chic35 said:

Beyonce was wrong,but I think Aretha overreacted.It wasn't that big a deal Aretha seems insecure/paranoid about her legacy,which makes no sense.Everyone knows that she is the undisputed Queen of Soul.

People get cranky sometimes when they get old

scriptgirl said:

You better not let Sista Franklin hear you say that.


but true....

I am not afraid of Jugs. I can outrun her anyday and I have a tongue like a razor. Trust me, she has NO idea.

scriptgirl said:

Just don't get to close to her. She'll squeeze your
face to death with those Weapons of Mass Destruction.

phunkdaddy said:

I'll just wave a hamhock at her.
But seriously, what is the deal with Anita's childhood and bad early life. No one is talking and I want dirt!

Teena Marie, the influential soul singer who set stages on fire with Rick James in the early '80s, shares her favorite memory of Luther Vandross.

"The last time I saw him [was when I was performing] in Los Angeles at the Forum three years ago," she said. "That night was magical. Everything that came out of my mouth, God touched me. When I came off the stage, the audience was screaming, next thing I knew I was up in the air. I was like, 'Oh my God, somebody is holding me up in the air.' I looked down and saw the face of Luther Vandross. He was like, 'Girl, you were up in the rafters!' He was just smiling. I was like, 'I've died and gone to heaven. I'm in the air, in the arms of Luther Vandross.' "

phunkdaddy said:

scriptgirl said:

Well, the stories I've heard about her reacting to fans in public when they see her walking in the mall or something. I was told they often receive the cold shoulder from her or are told outright she doesn't want to be bothered.

Anita can be very rude, showing up for shows and interviews several hours late and offering no excuses or apologies. My aunt went to one of her concerts recently. Anita takes the stage almost 3 hours past her scheduled time, acting as if there was nothing wrong.

I work for a local newspaper. A couple of years ago, she showed up over 2 hours late for an interview and when she finally arrived, she was acting like the ultimate diva, being nasty and very demanding.

And her general attitude about being better than a lot of people. Miki Howard did an interview a couple of years back and said when she won a Black Gold Award (remember those?) in the 80's, Anita stopped her back stage and informed her she better cherish that award because it was the only award she was ever gonna get!!! Now, mind you, she was right but I think that was a real bitchy thing to tell one of your contemporaries.

kitbradley said:

Really, Ms. Baker should get over herself. It takes my mamma to talk about her, "She sounds like she singing with mash potatoes in her mouth."

TD3 said:

Do we have the same mother? My mother cannot stand Anita's voice either. I'm glad I didn't let that influence me though since I'm a fan of her singing style.

blessedk said:

Celie is that you?!

Girl, every other year my mother and I take a road trip. The 1st thing she'll say, "I'll listen to anything and everything but "NO Anita Baker."

TD3 said:

Your mother is funny. I can kind of see where people like our mothers are coming from concerning Anita's voice. To be honest, I don't know how well Luther's and Anita's voices would've meshed in these duets they were trying to have together but never came to fruition.

RnBAmbassador said:

Oh Big Bird chose her victims and she chose 'em VERRRRY carefully,,,,,thats why Chaka never got cussed Ol' aunt big bird knows what time it is.

If Chaka was the type of woman who kicked Miles Davis & Rick James' ass withoout hesitation, you know PETTY ReRe won't start some shit she could never finish.
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kitbradley said:

Anita ain't the nicest person,that's for sure.

TD3 said:

I like Anita's music,but sometimes it IS hard to understand what she's saying....lol...

Somebody TELL the story of Chaka beating down Rick and Miles
Also, I have a hard time believing these stories of Anita being nasty. I never thought she was that interesting
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scriptgirl said:

why is that hard to believe?

I'd be mean as hell too if I had to constantly perform and listen to those boring ass songs that she's made over the years. I can't stand Shitney because she's the first to ruin music, but actually, Anita Faker's music is much more boring than Shitney's.
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btw,Luther was one cocky dude during his interviews,he made it clear that he was all that....lol...very confident.

"Truthfully,alot of other male singers are imitating me"---he made this comment in the late 80s.He didn't mention any names,but I know he was referring to Freddie Jackson.

In another interview from the late 80s (or early 90s),he talked about breaking attendance records at Wembley...

"I'm breaking the attendance records of artists who are supposedly bigger "crossover" acts than I am"---again,he didn't mention any names but I suspect he was referring to Prince,who had just played there a few months earlier.

Still waiting to hear about Chaka beating down Rick and Miles