Paris9748430 said:

Give Me Kylie!!!

lol...


Madonna fucks her audience while Kylie makes love to them.

9 Days Until Opening Night of Kylie Minogue's First North American tour
[Edited 9/21/09 13:27pm]

GirlBrother said:

NAIL MEET HEAD! there you have it.
in a recent interview Kylie even noted that she knew she had a following in the states and wanted to tour but her management (or lack there of) was against it.

though i understand the 'gay friendly' point of view. i find it sad that people still stereotype over what someone listens to. as far as Madonna's dancers are concerned it's nice to that she's representing more masculine men dancers. Kylie's glitter balls and feathers act seriously needs to be put to rest. that point has been well put across for ages! and in part i think that's all a lot of people associate her with unfortunately. her classic pop songs and performances have been overlooked because of it. i agree that Americans don't seem to get the camp (another annoying term lol) factor, but they do GET dance music. how could they NOT?!? lol. however, it can't be heard if you DO NOT promote it. put in the work if you want to be heard.

they did attempt (again) earlier in her career with Better The Devil You Know and Shocked. though the second was scrapped and the BTDYK was featured in a flop movie. at the end of the day, America is not the world and Kylie has done quite well for herself. 20 plus years?!?!

MADONNA & KYLIE .... no need for anyone else really.

Paris9748430 said:

the same was said to Tina Arena when they were trying to get her to crack the U.S. market. "We Already Have A CELINE DION". there's plenty of room for everyone.

GirlBrother said:

To those critics that said that, I don't buy that at all. There were plenty of straight people on Madonna's bandwagon during the success of her first 4 (non-soundtrack and/or remix) albums. The homophobic-ness didn't show up from some of those same straight fans until the debut of Justify My Love video.
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TonyVanDam said:

For alot of reasons. Kylie broke here at a time of Samantha Fox, Bananarama and tons of Stock Aiken Waterman tracks, when that faded out, so did she in America, we dismissed her. But its not really different than the way we dismissed a-Ha as nothing more than a keyboard/synth band and yet they are the leaders in the pack of 80's bands still going and making relevant music, and showing growth when others phone it in at this point. So Kylie is much like a-Ha and much like QUEEN, huge everywhere but here.

ehuffnsd said:

Kylie IS the definition of "making love".

CHIC0 said:

This is definitely a factor as well. However, I still think that there is something to the American mainstream rejecting dance music. I can count only 10 or so pure dance songs that have been hits on the Billboard Hot 100 over the past 10 years. Kylie's had quite a few "hits" on the US Dance charts over the years, but only a few of those have gone on to mainstream success:

I Should Be So Lucky: #10 Dance (#28 Hot 100)
Locomotion: #12 Dance (#3 Hot 100)
Butterfly: #14 Dance (-)
Can't Get You Out of My Head: #1 Dance (#7 Hot 100)
Love At First Sight: #1 Dance (#23 Hot 100)
Come Into My World: #20 Dance (#91 Hot 100)
Slow: #1 Dance (#91 Hot 100)
I Believe in You: #3 Dance (-)
All I See: #3 Dance (-)

ehuffnsd said:

lastdecember said:

I don't know about that. Queen had a good run in the USA until the release of Hot Space.

TonyVanDam said:

i think it had more to do with Debbie Gibson and Tiffany than anything else.

TonyVanDam said:

Queen had problems here though, they were nowhere near as popular here as in any other market, they are royality around the globe, and here they are the "wanyes world" band

Queen were huge in the States following "The Game" album and the accompanying singles "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" and "Another One Bites The Dust". Unfortunately as Freddie's image became increasingly more stereotypically "gay" around "Hot Space", their record sales dropped off (blame ignorant fuckers in the Mid West).

lastdecember said:

Excellent! (j/k )

Here in the USA, some of their songs are more popular than the band themselves. At any sport event today, you can still hear the tunes of We Will Rock You, We Are The Champions, & Another Bites The Dust at any moment during the day.
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Mong said:

The disco backlash was a total bitch, no doubt. And Freddie go from being macho (The Game) to dance floor campy (Hot Space) within the course of 2 years was too much for America's Mid West OR The South.

I actually learned who Kylie Minogue was from an old KMFDM song back in the 90's called 'Sucks'. They referenced Kylie Minogue, and all my buddies were like "Who's Kylie Minogue". I said, "how the fuck should I know?"

So while browsing records I saw an album of hers and previewed it at the store. I truly thought it was the blandest, most sucktastic thing I'd ever heard. To this day, I couldn't tell you what the name of the album was. Moreover, an hour after hearing it I couldn't even remember the songs--I just remember thinking, "Ok, I understand the KMFDM diss lyrics now "


But after incorporating the gay dance club environment into my routine, I've expanded my tolerance of dancefloor music to euro-pop and quite enjoy alot of it, including Kylie's music. You'd never find me sitting down actually listening to her songs, but that's true of Madonna and DEFINITELY true of Janet Jackson. But in a club, their songs actually are pretty good.


I think she hasn't done hugely in America because we already have Madonna, Janet, Mariah, Pink, Britney, and Christina. The market is saturated with other 'diva' acts, and to break into it, you need real, substantial talent, a gimmick, or an already entrenched female following (a gay following is a given, but being only 5% of the US population you need straight, young, females). Kylie simply has ALOT of competition here, and nothing that really makes her stand out above the fray.

I can honestly see Lady Gaga filling a slot Kylie probably should have long ago filled based on the fact she does have some talent, is definitely gimmicky, and courts fame without getting all "Peaches" about it.

GirlBrother said:

I don't know if its the understanding of camp or being too "gay" but she doesn't have much of a following in the gay community either from what I can tell. The only song they ever play is that locomotion song at the chicago bars. N that's cause of the camp factor.

What do you mean by "Peaches"?

Imago said:

If it was this album, you'd be right on the money.





I think another element of it is that Kylie isn't sassy and bitchy like the American divas you mentioned. Kylie really is a sweetheart, and somehow I think America just can't handle that.

lazycrockett said:

Kylie has a huge gay following at least on the West Coast and the East Coast and I'm assuming since Chicago was selected for her tour there as well.

same old euro dance trash every time out?

some of it's alright, but it gets tired. we already have Madonna, then Britney. do we really need Kylie too?

errant said:

misguided gay

Kylie has class something Britney and Madonna lack.

ehuffnsd said:

Ive been in chicago for the past bout 20 years and worked in numerous bars, Kylie doesn't get played. N I don't think I've ever met a Kylie fan even. So they must be some sort of secret underground society in the windy city.

lazycrockett said:

maybe. we have release parties for her cds and dvds in all the bars here. in SF it's like crazy up there.

ehuffnsd said:

THEN WHY LADY GAGA AND KATY PERRY SO POPULAR?

ehuffnsd said:

ugh. Kylie wouldn't even know how to brush her teeth if Madonna hadn't done it first on tape to provide instruction

ehuffnsd said:

oh dear.

Moonbeam said:

but people also have to realize that there are different styles to dance music.
and a lot of what people in America consider 'dance' music is nothing more than just a pop song in Europe. Kylie has a more disco feel (if you will), while in American they prefer something with a harder edge. i.e. house style. i think that is why Can't Get You Out Of My Head and it's infectious bassline was the perfect song to get her across the pond. However her promotion and follow through was lacking. Madonna emerged at a time where disco was considered dead yet people needed someone to fill a void for discoteques. there was no one like her and she also became a voice of sorts for young girls, club heads, gays, and others that may not have had an icon or representative in the mainstream.

i understand some of the comparisons, but i also feel both of them stand very much on their own. they've both expressed admiration for eachothers work and sem to be constantly attending eachothers shows. lol. Kylie's North American tour tickets sold like fire. she definitely has the chance to make it big in the states, but needs to learn how to strike while the iron's still hot and not luke warm. Anastacia are you listening?

errant said:

and now Madonna rips off Kylie. look at the videos i posted above LOL.

ehuffnsd said:

i lived with Moonbeam. i've sat through enough Kylie videos. i'm not going to do it here. and yeah, it's disappointing that Madonna seems to be settling for imitating her imitators, but well, whatever....