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Reply #90 posted 09/08/09 11:55am

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Not at all. I blame him and JD for delivering such a horrible Rock With U tour.


You gave me flashbacks. Gil should find out which direction JD went and follow him.

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Reply #91 posted 09/08/09 11:58am

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I bet he be gone by next year, lol
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Reply #92 posted 09/08/09 11:59am

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let's hope janet will do michael justice. Hopefully it won't be an embarassment like the superbowl was. I'd prefer she lipsych...her singing live and her singing michael's songs live is scary. disbelief


She is doing Scream - her song as much as Michael's.


what other mj songs is she doing?
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Reply #93 posted 09/08/09 11:59am

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Janet sounds live exactly the way she sounds in the studio which is why sometimes you think she is lipsynching and she's not. Go check out those Fame videos. Especially when she starts singing the Jackson 5 song.
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Reply #94 posted 09/08/09 12:02pm

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Janet sounds live exactly the way she sounds in the studio which is why sometimes you think she is lipsynching and she's not. Go check out those Fame videos. Especially when she starts singing the Jackson 5 song.


i'm not a fan of her voice as a singer. that's no need to explain urself.
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Reply #95 posted 09/08/09 12:04pm

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I totally have to work and gonna have to catch a replay pout
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Reply #96 posted 09/08/09 12:19pm

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BoOTyLiCioUs said:

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She is doing Scream - her song as much as Michael's.


what other mj songs is she doing?


From what I know, that's it.

There are certainly a few of her own songs that would be appropriate - Together Again the primary candidate.
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Reply #97 posted 09/08/09 12:26pm

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Michael would be proud - he was always so proud of Janet - so for her, and all those choreographers that Michael discovered, worked with and inspired to dance in the essence of his eternal remembrance and legacy...that's really special.
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Reply #98 posted 09/08/09 12:30pm

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I don't know why, but I get the feeling that this will NOT be so much about Janet, but more about MJ's influence on dance. I can also see this being similar to the tribute that MTV did to Janet during the Icon tribute where Pink, Usher and Mya danced to Janet's music.
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Reply #99 posted 09/08/09 1:02pm

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I didn't think the choreography for "All Night" was that great either. Therefore, he should have never been hired. His choreography is always too much starting and stopping. People like Tina, Wade, etc. always have movement and flow, Gil doesn't have that.


Too many leg movements!



I agree. Gil has very sharp and on point dance moves. With his dancing, he will mostly have you hit the accent points in the song. Bringing Tina back would be amazing, but Gil is amazing also.
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Reply #100 posted 09/08/09 1:05pm

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ViintageJunkiie said:

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Too many leg movements!



I agree. Gil has very sharp and on point dance moves. With his dancing, he will mostly have you hit the accent points in the song. Bringing Tina back would be amazing, but Gil is amazing also.

I think my issue with Gil's choreography is that he doesn't know how to be "street".
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Reply #101 posted 09/08/09 1:24pm

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daPrettyman said:

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I agree. Gil has very sharp and on point dance moves. With his dancing, he will mostly have you hit the accent points in the song. Bringing Tina back would be amazing, but Gil is amazing also.

I think my issue with Gil's choreography is that he doesn't know how to be "street".


well, how do you define "street"?
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Reply #102 posted 09/08/09 1:29pm

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I think my issue with Gil's choreography is that he doesn't know how to be "street".


well, how do you define "street"?

It's hard to define. It's an edge that you don't get from a technically trained dancer. If you look at Janet's work prior to Gil, you will see something that had a certain flair. The flair was somewhat hip-hop from the streets, somewhat b-boy, somewhat sensual, somewhat technical.

To me, videos like "Alright", "If", "When I Think Of You", etc. had moves and choreography that was relatable on so many different levels. The choreography for ANDS lost that to me.


Another example would be the choreography for "Feedback". That song had funky written all over it and Gil gave us Janet rolling all over the floor and moving like a robotic doll. Not good at all.

Does that make sense?
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Reply #103 posted 09/08/09 1:33pm

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Gil uses to many spirit fingers (Britney?) in his routines rolleyes
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Reply #104 posted 09/08/09 1:48pm

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Gil uses to many spirit fingers (Britney?) in his routines rolleyes


I never really noticed it, but you are right. His stuff is almost like the typical suburban dance teacher trying to teach a 10 year old how to dance hip-hop.
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Reply #105 posted 09/08/09 1:51pm

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daPrettyman said:

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well, how do you define "street"?

It's hard to define. It's an edge that you don't get from a technically trained dancer. If you look at Janet's work prior to Gil, you will see something that had a certain flair. The flair was somewhat hip-hop from the streets, somewhat b-boy, somewhat sensual, somewhat technical.

To me, videos like "Alright", "If", "When I Think Of You", etc. had moves and choreography that was relatable on so many different levels. The choreography for ANDS lost that to me.


Another example would be the choreography for "Feedback". That song had funky written all over it and Gil gave us Janet rolling all over the floor and moving like a robotic doll. Not good at all.

Does that make sense?
[Edited 9/8/09 13:30pm]


True, but each choreographer has a different technique. Her work prior to him was with Paula and Tina and I think Paulas choreography surpassed the others. As far as feedback goes, I think Gils routine fit the song. Like I said, Gil's technique involves hitting all accept marks in a song, which is what he did in that, along with "Rock Witchu" video also
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Reply #106 posted 09/08/09 1:59pm

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let's hope janet will do michael justice. Hopefully it won't be an embarassment like the superbowl was. I'd prefer she lipsych...her singing live and her singing michael's songs live is scary. disbelief


As long as Justin Timberlake isn't there, ripping off a lady's clothing a little too hard, it will be fine.

Beware of Justin Timberlake!
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Reply #107 posted 09/08/09 2:02pm

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BoOTyLiCioUs said:

let's hope janet will do michael justice. Hopefully it won't be an embarassment like the superbowl was. I'd prefer she lipsych...her singing live and her singing michael's songs live is scary. disbelief


Janet sounds very similar to Michael, and Scream was both Janet and Michael's song.
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Reply #108 posted 09/08/09 2:04pm

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Michael would be proud - he was always so proud of Janet - so for her, and all those choreographers that Michael discovered, worked with and inspired to dance in the essence of his eternal remembrance and legacy...that's really special.


Yes. Michael was always proud of Janet. Michael knew that Janet was also an amazing talente. He always felt a special connection to her. Michael said that they think alike and are very similar, and I agree.
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Reply #109 posted 09/08/09 2:04pm

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ViintageJunkiie said:

daPrettyman said:


It's hard to define. It's an edge that you don't get from a technically trained dancer. If you look at Janet's work prior to Gil, you will see something that had a certain flair. The flair was somewhat hip-hop from the streets, somewhat b-boy, somewhat sensual, somewhat technical.

To me, videos like "Alright", "If", "When I Think Of You", etc. had moves and choreography that was relatable on so many different levels. The choreography for ANDS lost that to me.


Another example would be the choreography for "Feedback". That song had funky written all over it and Gil gave us Janet rolling all over the floor and moving like a robotic doll. Not good at all.

Does that make sense?
[Edited 9/8/09 13:30pm]


True, but each choreographer has a different technique. Her work prior to him was with Paula and Tina and I think Paulas choreography surpassed the others. As far as feedback goes, I think Gils routine fit the song. Like I said, Gil's technique involves hitting all accept marks in a song, which is what he did in that, along with "Rock Witchu" video also


He didn't choreograph the Rock withu video. That was Tony Testa. Paula Abdul = Too many levels rolleyes
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Reply #110 posted 09/08/09 2:05pm

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BoOTyLiCioUs said:

BklynBabe said:

Janet sounds live exactly the way she sounds in the studio which is why sometimes you think she is lipsynching and she's not. Go check out those Fame videos. Especially when she starts singing the Jackson 5 song.


i'm not a fan of her voice as a singer. that's no need to explain urself.


Really? I lOVE Janet's voice. It's soothing yet silky smooth with an edge.

Janet's voice is very beautiful, without too much screaming or roughness. Janet sounds like an Angel.
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Reply #111 posted 09/08/09 2:08pm

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ViintageJunkiie said:

daPrettyman said:


It's hard to define. It's an edge that you don't get from a technically trained dancer. If you look at Janet's work prior to Gil, you will see something that had a certain flair. The flair was somewhat hip-hop from the streets, somewhat b-boy, somewhat sensual, somewhat technical.

To me, videos like "Alright", "If", "When I Think Of You", etc. had moves and choreography that was relatable on so many different levels. The choreography for ANDS lost that to me.


Another example would be the choreography for "Feedback". That song had funky written all over it and Gil gave us Janet rolling all over the floor and moving like a robotic doll. Not good at all.

Does that make sense?
[Edited 9/8/09 13:30pm]


True, but each choreographer has a different technique. Her work prior to him was with Paula and Tina and I think Paulas choreography surpassed the others. As far as feedback goes, I think Gils routine fit the song. Like I said, Gil's technique involves hitting all accept marks in a song, which is what he did in that, along with "Rock Witchu" video also


I totally get that each choreographer has their own style and tecnhique, but, imo, "Feedback" was the worst so far. You have to admit that the dancing with milk bubbles and crawling on the floor did not fit with the song. That aside, I do think that "Rock witchu" was good.

To me, Paula is credited with defining J as a dancer, but Anthony Thomas and Tina are the ones who created her most memorable routines. People will forever associate their choreography with Janet's image.

Same for MJ. Jeffrey Daniels and Michael Peters aren't given as much credit as they should be for MJ's dancing styles. If it had not been for them, we never would have gotten the moonwalk or any of the iconic videos . Sure, MJ may have assisted in the choreography, but those guys refined what he did.
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Reply #112 posted 09/08/09 2:08pm

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midiscover said:

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True, but each choreographer has a different technique. Her work prior to him was with Paula and Tina and I think Paulas choreography surpassed the others. As far as feedback goes, I think Gils routine fit the song. Like I said, Gil's technique involves hitting all accept marks in a song, which is what he did in that, along with "Rock Witchu" video also


He didn't choreograph the Rock withu video. That was Tony Testa. Paula Abdul = Too many levels rolleyes

Really? NO wonder it was good. lol
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Reply #113 posted 09/08/09 2:09pm

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midiscover said:

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True, but each choreographer has a different technique. Her work prior to him was with Paula and Tina and I think Paulas choreography surpassed the others. As far as feedback goes, I think Gils routine fit the song. Like I said, Gil's technique involves hitting all accept marks in a song, which is what he did in that, along with "Rock Witchu" video also


He didn't choreograph the Rock withu video. That was Tony Testa. Paula Abdul = Too many levels rolleyes


I stand corrected. smile
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Reply #114 posted 09/08/09 2:10pm

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He didn't choreograph the Rock withu video. That was Tony Testa. Paula Abdul = Too many levels rolleyes

Really? NO wonder it was good. lol


Hell yea! Tony Testa is sooo hott! love His choreography is very unique! I hope Janet works with him more
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Reply #115 posted 09/08/09 2:11pm

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daPrettyman said:

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True, but each choreographer has a different technique. Her work prior to him was with Paula and Tina and I think Paulas choreography surpassed the others. As far as feedback goes, I think Gils routine fit the song. Like I said, Gil's technique involves hitting all accept marks in a song, which is what he did in that, along with "Rock Witchu" video also


I totally get that each choreographer has their own style and tecnhique, but, imo, "Feedback" was the worst so far. You have to admit that the dancing with milk bubbles and crawling on the floor did not fit with the song. That aside, I do think that "Rock witchu" was good.

To me, Paula is credited with defining J as a dancer, but Anthony Thomas and Tina are the ones who created her most memorable routines. People will forever associate their choreography with Janet's image.

Same for MJ. Jeffrey Daniels and Michael Peters aren't given as much credit as they should be for MJ's dancing styles. If it had not been for them, we never would have gotten the moonwalk or any of the iconic videos . Sure, MJ may have assisted in the choreography, but those guys refined what he did.


Well, you can't blame Gil for the "dancing with milk", which I thought was pretty pointless. I agree, I think Paula gave Janet the style of dancing and Tina took it to another level in a way. Like, I couldnt see Paula doing the choreography to "If" and I couldnt see Tina doing choreography for "Nasty".
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Reply #116 posted 09/08/09 2:13pm

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True, but each choreographer has a different technique. Her work prior to him was with Paula and Tina and I think Paulas choreography surpassed the others. As far as feedback goes, I think Gils routine fit the song. Like I said, Gil's technique involves hitting all accept marks in a song, which is what he did in that, along with "Rock Witchu" video also


I totally get that each choreographer has their own style and tecnhique, but, imo, "Feedback" was the worst so far. You have to admit that the dancing with milk bubbles and crawling on the floor did not fit with the song. That aside, I do think that "Rock witchu" was good.

To me, Paula is credited with defining J as a dancer, but Anthony Thomas and Tina are the ones who created her most memorable routines. People will forever associate their choreography with Janet's image.

Same for MJ. Jeffrey Daniels and Michael Peters aren't given as much credit as they should be for MJ's dancing styles. If it had not been for them, we never would have gotten the moonwalk or any of the iconic videos . Sure, MJ may have assisted in the choreography, but those guys refined what he did.


Um Janet co-choreographs all of her dances as well and Paula didn't define Janet as a dancer. Janet choreographed this

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Reply #117 posted 09/08/09 2:14pm

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I totally get that each choreographer has their own style and tecnhique, but, imo, "Feedback" was the worst so far. You have to admit that the dancing with milk bubbles and crawling on the floor did not fit with the song. That aside, I do think that "Rock witchu" was good.

To me, Paula is credited with defining J as a dancer, but Anthony Thomas and Tina are the ones who created her most memorable routines. People will forever associate their choreography with Janet's image.

Same for MJ. Jeffrey Daniels and Michael Peters aren't given as much credit as they should be for MJ's dancing styles. If it had not been for them, we never would have gotten the moonwalk or any of the iconic videos . Sure, MJ may have assisted in the choreography, but those guys refined what he did.


Well, you can't blame Gil for the "dancing with milk", which I thought was pretty pointless. I agree, I think Paula gave Janet the style of dancing and Tina took it to another level in a way. Like, I couldnt see Paula doing the choreography to "If" and I couldnt see Tina doing choreography for "Nasty".

What do you think about Anthony's work? He was the principal choreography during the RN era.
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Reply #118 posted 09/08/09 2:17pm

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I totally get that each choreographer has their own style and tecnhique, but, imo, "Feedback" was the worst so far. You have to admit that the dancing with milk bubbles and crawling on the floor did not fit with the song. That aside, I do think that "Rock witchu" was good.

To me, Paula is credited with defining J as a dancer, but Anthony Thomas and Tina are the ones who created her most memorable routines. People will forever associate their choreography with Janet's image.

Same for MJ. Jeffrey Daniels and Michael Peters aren't given as much credit as they should be for MJ's dancing styles. If it had not been for them, we never would have gotten the moonwalk or any of the iconic videos . Sure, MJ may have assisted in the choreography, but those guys refined what he did.


Um Janet co-choreographs all of her dances as well and Paula didn't define Janet as a dancer. Janet choreographed this


How can u say that? Sure, Janet may be a co-choreographer, but I know she couldn't have come up with something as technical as the "If" routine.

When I look at the Control videos, all I see is Paula. Not saying Janet didn't do any of the choreography, but the attitude, moves, "pops", etc. are all Paula.
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Reply #119 posted 09/08/09 2:23pm

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Um Janet co-choreographs all of her dances as well and Paula didn't define Janet as a dancer. Janet choreographed this


How can u say that? Sure, Janet may be a co-choreographer, but I know she couldn't have come up with something as technical as the "If" routine.

When I look at the Control videos, all I see is Paula. Not saying Janet didn't do any of the choreography, but the attitude, moves, "pops", etc. are all Paula.


Darling Janet co-choreographed "If" as well. Not all of her dance moves are created by other choreographers! And yes. Paula did create most of Janet's memorable moves. But has she moved on?

Apparently not. Heres's Paula giving us Control with a little touch of Rock with u attire (Stupid bitch!)



Besides most of Janet's most memorable dancing was from RN814. Which Paula took no part in. Janet was the head choreographer along with Anthony Thomas.
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