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PrintableTimmy84 said: jamgirl said: I knew I loved Mike b4...but now...  Why you try that stuff too?  How is it?Try that stuff? Try checkin my grocery bill weekly... Really GOOD!!!!! Esp, when ur always trying to be on a diet and lose weight like maself.  Michael Jackson -- the KING of my heart | |
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Coroner Delays Release Of Michael Jackson's Autopsy Results
3.10 pm July 29, 2009 By Mark Memmott His staff needs to "finish up a bunch of stuff," Los Angeles County Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter said today in announcing that results of singer Michael Jackson's autopsy won't be released for another week. Jackson, 50, died on June 25. The coroner's results had been scheduled for release this week. The Los Angeles Times reported this week that the county Sheriff's Department is investigating whether anyone in the coroner's office leaked or sold confidential information about Jackson's case. ---- Wonder what that "bunch of stuff" means. I knew they wouldn't be ready this week, didn't an early report the week before this said the results were gonna be delayed for two weeks anyway? So it ain't like they're far off. | |
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jamgirl said: Timmy84 said: Why you try that stuff too? How is it?Try that stuff? Try checkin my grocery bill weekly... Really GOOD!!!!! Esp, when ur always trying to be on a diet and lose weight like maself. Great! Maybe I should try that stuff out.  | |
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Timmy84 said: July 29, 2009 11:05 AM
Jackson's Role May Determine Doctor's Charges Posted by Andrew Cohen (AP) I'm not convinced that prosecutors would easily win a manslaughter case based upon what we now know. But if there was massive fraud in the creation of these aliases by Jackson so that he could get pills then the doctor or doctors involved might be in serious trouble for that, and that would be a much easier case to prove in court. There are two components here. The first is whether the doctors violated their oaths and medial ethics rules that would put them in the doghouse with a licensing board. The other is whether their conduct constitutes a crime. And there IS some legal room between the two standards. One key question no matter where the investigation goes from here is what role Jackson himself played in his own death or the steps leading up to it. If we DO see a criminal case here, one defense will be that Jackson knew the risks of taking all those meds and choose to continue to do so. The doctor or doctors are going to be in trouble no matter what. The question is whether a provable crime was committed. So you can bet that prosecutors are going to be checking with independent, neutral medical experts to determine whether and to what extent Jackson's doctors crossed any ethical or legal lines-- remember the patient here apparently was a willing recipient of the medication. Oh that's just bullshit. You don't give a patient everything they want. If I wanted to get a cast on my leg just for the hell of it would a doctor put one on there? Hell no. Doctors on TV have been saying that there is no justifiable reason for Diprivan ever to be used at home. How you gonna give someone that has a sleeping problem some damn surgery medication? If MJ told someone to shoot a loaded gun at him, and said, "It's O.k., I know the risk and I'm O.K. with it," and bullets from that loaded gun killed MJ, that person would be charged with murder. I don't see any difference in this situation. **************************************************
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nurseV said: Timmy84 said: I didn't think about MJ having brain damage from the effects of the drug but I wouldn't have been surprised.
 Yeah what Murray did was very negligent.shortage of oxygen to the brain and any doc who would perform CPR on a soft surface is an idiot. They teach you not to do that from day 1 of nursing school or med school. I read somewhere that ole boy's house is in foreclosure  So he really needs money bad  He should just hook himself up to that needle,problem solved.  Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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Timmy84 said: Coroner Delays Release Of Michael Jackson's Autopsy Results
3.10 pm July 29, 2009 By Mark Memmott His staff needs to "finish up a bunch of stuff," Los Angeles County Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter said today in announcing that results of singer Michael Jackson's autopsy won't be released for another week. Jackson, 50, died on June 25. The coroner's results had been scheduled for release this week. The Los Angeles Times reported this week that the county Sheriff's Department is investigating whether anyone in the coroner's office leaked or sold confidential information about Jackson's case. ---- Wonder what that "bunch of stuff" means. I knew they wouldn't be ready this week, didn't an early report the week before this said the results were gonna be delayed for two weeks anyway? So it ain't like they're far off. Meanin : Chill the fuck out and wait! BTW, in the Jamaican papers, photo of Tito and his Spanish girlfriend para sailing. Michael Jackson -- the KING of my heart | |
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Timmy84 said: July 29, 2009 11:05 AM
Jackson's Role May Determine Doctor's Charges Posted by Andrew Cohen (AP) I'm not convinced that prosecutors would easily win a manslaughter case based upon what we now know. But if there was massive fraud in the creation of these aliases by Jackson so that he could get pills then the doctor or doctors involved might be in serious trouble for that, and that would be a much easier case to prove in court. There are two components here. The first is whether the doctors violated their oaths and medial ethics rules that would put them in the doghouse with a licensing board. The other is whether their conduct constitutes a crime. And there IS some legal room between the two standards. One key question no matter where the investigation goes from here is what role Jackson himself played in his own death or the steps leading up to it. If we DO see a criminal case here, one defense will be that Jackson knew the risks of taking all those meds and choose to continue to do so. The doctor or doctors are going to be in trouble no matter what. The question is whether a provable crime was committed. So you can bet that prosecutors are going to be checking with independent, neutral medical experts to determine whether and to what extent Jackson's doctors crossed any ethical or legal lines-- remember the patient here apparently was a willing recipient of the medication. OK, one thing is the drug itself, but WHAT the hell was that "doctor" doing from 9 am to 12 am? Damn, that´s three hours, an eternity when you know there´s someone lying not breathing. He must have been trying to keep it a secret, cause how do you explain, with all the people in the house, that nobody bothered to call an ambulance. YOu know I don´t wanna create some conspirative theories, but how do you explain that to me? [Edited 7/29/09 13:42pm] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: OK, so let´s sum it up. MJ´s give a drug which makes you stop breathing in 10 seconds BEFORE he goes to sleep, however he is found not breathing at 9 am and the ambulace is called at 12pm? I feel like killing someone....
MJ sealed his fate with the decision to alledgedly use Propofol for insomnia treatment. It wasn't a question of if he could die, but when. Propofol abuse has risen fivefold over the last 10 years, according to a study. The sheer horror and sadness of Michael's death has brought the recreational use of the Propofol to the forefront of media discussion, and that will hopefully dissuade others from destroying themselves. | |
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suga10 said: But as I also wrote at the time, Jackson had spent the better part of the five-month trial appearing in court as if he were stoned or sedated. His morning arrivals were always full of drama including one when he showed up in pajamas. LOL, b.s. Tom Mesereau said that he was the reason that he showed up in pajamas and the media just tried to spin that. He also said that Michael was very lucid during the trial. | |
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Copycat said: dag said: OK, so let´s sum it up. MJ´s give a drug which makes you stop breathing in 10 seconds BEFORE he goes to sleep, however he is found not breathing at 9 am and the ambulace is called at 12pm? I feel like killing someone....
MJ sealed his fate with the decision to alledgedly use Propofol for insomnia treatment. It wasn't a question of if he could die, but when. Propofol abuse has risen fivefold over the last 10 years, according to a study. The sheer horror and sadness of Michael's death has brought the recreational use of the Propofol to the forefront of media discussion, and that will hopefully dissuade others from destroying themselves. I don't know how anybody would even use propofol to help them with the problem they said MJ was having. | |
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dag said: Timmy84 said: July 29, 2009 11:05 AM
Jackson's Role May Determine Doctor's Charges Posted by Andrew Cohen (AP) I'm not convinced that prosecutors would easily win a manslaughter case based upon what we now know. But if there was massive fraud in the creation of these aliases by Jackson so that he could get pills then the doctor or doctors involved might be in serious trouble for that, and that would be a much easier case to prove in court. There are two components here. The first is whether the doctors violated their oaths and medial ethics rules that would put them in the doghouse with a licensing board. The other is whether their conduct constitutes a crime. And there IS some legal room between the two standards. One key question no matter where the investigation goes from here is what role Jackson himself played in his own death or the steps leading up to it. If we DO see a criminal case here, one defense will be that Jackson knew the risks of taking all those meds and choose to continue to do so. The doctor or doctors are going to be in trouble no matter what. The question is whether a provable crime was committed. So you can bet that prosecutors are going to be checking with independent, neutral medical experts to determine whether and to what extent Jackson's doctors crossed any ethical or legal lines-- remember the patient here apparently was a willing recipient of the medication. OK, one thing is the drug itself, but WHAT the hell was that "doctor" doing from 9 am to 12 am? Damn, that´s three hours, an eternity when you know there´s someone lying not breathing. He must have been trying to keep it a secret, cause how do you explain, with all the people in the house, that nobody bothered to call an ambulance. YOu know I don´t wanna create some conspirative theories, but how do you explain that to me? [Edited 7/29/09 13:42pm] I call it dumbassedness. | |
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Can we talk about that CHEF?
She gave really nice insight into the lives of the kiddies...and how Paris was all...."Let's give thanks for this here food"...oh I'm sorry...that's Joe. But she really gave a good interview I think.
Cute
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More info on the autopsy delay, apparently Arnold Klein is still being investigated:
Jackson Autopsy Results...Don't Hold Your Breath Today 1:25 PM PDT by Josh Grossberg and Art Harris Michael Jackson Kevin Mazur/AEG via Getty Images The world can't wait for the whole Michael Jackson death mystery to be resolved. But apparently the coroner didn't get the memo. Just a day after telling E! News that his office was "still shooting for the end of the week" to announce an official cause of death, Los Angeles County Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter now says the results won't likely be out until next week. While Winter did not specifically state a reason for delay, it appears his office is still trying to gather evidence. Earlier today, a subpoena-packing Winter turned up at the Beverly Hills offices of Dr. Lawrence Koplin. Jackson dermatologist Dr. Arnold Klein reportedly once performed a procedure on the singer in Koplin's office. Asked if he had ever seen a case like this before, Winter simply said, "No, I have not." Authorities are trying to build a manslaughter case against Jackson's personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, and would like corroboration from the coroner. While Murray's lawyer has insisted otherwise, investigators with the LAPD and the DEA believe the doctor gave Jackson a lethal dose of the sedative propofol. Detectives have carried out raids on Murray's Las Vegas home and office and his Houston offices and storage facilities. Capt. John Kades, an investigator with the coroner's office, tells E! News that "every day we get a little closer to the cause of death...[but] nothing has been finalized. "The bottom line is [Jackson] died back on June 25, and at that time we were estimating four to six weeks before we could determine the cause of death. So we're still within that window," he said. | |
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Timmy84 said: More info on the autopsy delay, apparently Arnold Klein is still being investigated:
Jackson Autopsy Results...Don't Hold Your Breath Today 1:25 PM PDT by Josh Grossberg and Art Harris Michael Jackson Kevin Mazur/AEG via Getty Images The world can't wait for the whole Michael Jackson death mystery to be resolved. But apparently the coroner didn't get the memo. Just a day after telling E! News that his office was "still shooting for the end of the week" to announce an official cause of death, Los Angeles County Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter now says the results won't likely be out until next week. While Winter did not specifically state a reason for delay, it appears his office is still trying to gather evidence. Earlier today, a subpoena-packing Winter turned up at the Beverly Hills offices of Dr. Lawrence Koplin. Jackson dermatologist Dr. Arnold Klein reportedly once performed a procedure on the singer in Koplin's office. Asked if he had ever seen a case like this before, Winter simply said, "No, I have not." Authorities are trying to build a manslaughter case against Jackson's personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, and would like corroboration from the coroner. While Murray's lawyer has insisted otherwise, investigators with the LAPD and the DEA believe the doctor gave Jackson a lethal dose of the sedative propofol. Detectives have carried out raids on Murray's Las Vegas home and office and his Houston offices and storage facilities. Capt. John Kades, an investigator with the coroner's office, tells E! News that "every day we get a little closer to the cause of death...[but] nothing has been finalized. "The bottom line is [Jackson] died back on June 25, and at that time we were estimating four to six weeks before we could determine the cause of death. So we're still within that window," he said. That pointy eared fucker is who I want to go down.. Murray was a wreckless, IGnant, mofo. Michael Jackson -- the KING of my heart | |
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ehuffnsd said: Mstrustme said: I don't disagree w/ what he typed, it's his tone that wasn't correct  i'm a drug addict i've suffered with the result of meth addict for nearly ten years. i know first hand what it's like to have a drug problem. i know what it's like to show up to work high and what it's like to come up with excuses for my problem instead of dealing with the issue head on. yeah it's easy to blame my issues on my childhood, but in the end it's me the chose to pick up the pipe, not my dealer, not my tricks, not my friends at the time, not my parents, no one but myself. that is why i'm highly critical of all of you that try to make excuses for Michael and his addiction. he chose to not deal with his problems and escape through drugs. and as they say in NA there are only three results to drug addiction Jails Institutions and Death. - Please re-read the bolded part; notice how I responded to post #22 and how I responded to you; nice story and all but you are from a bullseye in this case | |
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Mstrustme said: ehuffnsd said: i'm a drug addict i've suffered with the result of meth addict for nearly ten years. i know first hand what it's like to have a drug problem. i know what it's like to show up to work high and what it's like to come up with excuses for my problem instead of dealing with the issue head on. yeah it's easy to blame my issues on my childhood, but in the end it's me the chose to pick up the pipe, not my dealer, not my tricks, not my friends at the time, not my parents, no one but myself. that is why i'm highly critical of all of you that try to make excuses for Michael and his addiction. he chose to not deal with his problems and escape through drugs. and as they say in NA there are only three results to drug addiction Jails Institutions and Death. - Please re-read the bolded part; notice how I responded to post #22 and how I responded to you; nice story and all but you are from a bullseye in this case   | |
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ehuffnsd said: dag said: I don´t think you can compare MJ to Janet or Kylie. Even though Janet is his sister and she did appear on TV, I am not sure if anyone actually cared till the Control album. I think she was able to lead a "seemingly normal" life. Not trying to excuse him, but MJ´s just a league of his own. Kylie has been on tv in Oz since she was 7, she's been an international icon since she was 17. Michael didn't really reach the height of his fame til he was in his ,late teens early 20s. the jacksons were no different from the osmans. it wasn't until Off the Wall and Thriller that Michael really became the star we know today. Michael became a mega, mega star with Thriller, but well before he turnt 21 he was world-wide known. I for one was not born in Africa and that's where I first knew of Michael and his brothers when I was about 4 and MJ was about 13. So lets not pretend no one outside America knew who he was before Thriller!! The fact of the matter is from the time he was a child he was more or less isolated from everyday life, the success of Thriller just compounded things. You can't compare MJ success with the success of Kylie, she ain't that famous in America so she is not as big as you think she is. | |
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This is such a freakin' shame. Each day I have to remind myself that MJ is no longer among the living. I never thought he would die so relatively young--and especially under such horrific circumstances. In the end, he died a tabloid sensation, something I had hoped the new tour would eradicate. Damn. | |
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whatsgoingon said: ehuffnsd said: Kylie has been on tv in Oz since she was 7, she's been an international icon since she was 17. Michael didn't really reach the height of his fame til he was in his ,late teens early 20s. the jacksons were no different from the osmans. it wasn't until Off the Wall and Thriller that Michael really became the star we know today. Michael became a mega, mega star with Thriller, but well before he turnt 21 he was world-wide known. I for one was not born in Africa and that's where I first knew of Michael and his brothers when I was about 4 and MJ was about 13. So lets not pretend no one outside America knew who he was before Thriller!! The fact of the matter is from the time he was a child he was more or less isolated from everyday life, the success of Thriller just compounded things. You can't compare MJ success with the success of Kylie, she ain't that famous in America so she is not as big as you think she is. 
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jamgirl said: Timmy84 said: More info on the autopsy delay, apparently Arnold Klein is still being investigated:
Jackson Autopsy Results...Don't Hold Your Breath Today 1:25 PM PDT by Josh Grossberg and Art Harris Michael Jackson Kevin Mazur/AEG via Getty Images The world can't wait for the whole Michael Jackson death mystery to be resolved. But apparently the coroner didn't get the memo. Just a day after telling E! News that his office was "still shooting for the end of the week" to announce an official cause of death, Los Angeles County Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter now says the results won't likely be out until next week. While Winter did not specifically state a reason for delay, it appears his office is still trying to gather evidence. Earlier today, a subpoena-packing Winter turned up at the Beverly Hills offices of Dr. Lawrence Koplin. Jackson dermatologist Dr. Arnold Klein reportedly once performed a procedure on the singer in Koplin's office. Asked if he had ever seen a case like this before, Winter simply said, "No, I have not." Authorities are trying to build a manslaughter case against Jackson's personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, and would like corroboration from the coroner. While Murray's lawyer has insisted otherwise, investigators with the LAPD and the DEA believe the doctor gave Jackson a lethal dose of the sedative propofol. Detectives have carried out raids on Murray's Las Vegas home and office and his Houston offices and storage facilities. Capt. John Kades, an investigator with the coroner's office, tells E! News that "every day we get a little closer to the cause of death...[but] nothing has been finalized. "The bottom line is [Jackson] died back on June 25, and at that time we were estimating four to six weeks before we could determine the cause of death. So we're still within that window," he said. That pointy eared fucker is who I want to go down.. Murray was a wreckless, IGnant, mofo. Arnold Klein, right? Me too. That fool's as suspect as Murray. | |
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Timmy84 said: Copycat said: MJ sealed his fate with the decision to alledgedly use Propofol for insomnia treatment. It wasn't a question of if he could die, but when. Propofol abuse has risen fivefold over the last 10 years, according to a study. The sheer horror and sadness of Michael's death has brought the recreational use of the Propofol to the forefront of media discussion, and that will hopefully dissuade others from destroying themselves. I don't know how anybody would even use propofol to help them with the problem they said MJ was having. Michael always went to the extreme with things *sighs* | |
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Copycat said: This is such a freakin' shame. Each day I have to remind myself that MJ is no longer among the living. I never thought he would die so relatively young--and especially under such horrific circumstances. In the end, he died a tabloid sensation, something I had hoped the new tour would eradicate. Damn.
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babybugz said: Timmy84 said: I don't know how anybody would even use propofol to help them with the problem they said MJ was having. Michael always went to the extreme with things *sighs* His life was always to the extreme. There was never a calm moment. Remember he grew up in "Dirty" Gary, Indiana. That was the start of it. | |
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Timmy84 said: jamgirl said: That pointy eared fucker is who I want to go down.. Murray was a wreckless, IGnant, mofo. Arnold Klein, right? Me too. That fool's as suspect as Murray. Suspect? I think he straight up crooked. Murray is just an imbecile.... But Klein. As for all this tabloid ish..... Just hope the fam is keeping the kids away and by all accounts...and from that chef...good ol' family fun is doing it. Michael Jackson -- the KING of my heart | |
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Copycat said: This is such a freakin' shame. Each day I have to remind myself that MJ is no longer among the living. I never thought he would die so relatively young--and especially under such horrific circumstances. In the end, he died a tabloid sensation, something I had hoped the new tour would eradicate. Damn.
I try not to think about it because his whole story is sad | |
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Timmy84 said: babybugz said: Michael always went to the extreme with things *sighs* His life was always to the extreme. There was never a calm moment. Remember he grew up in "Dirty" Gary, Indiana. That was the start of it. it's true ..but what he was using to put him to sleep is insane , he honestly must not have cared about the outcome of using that .. it's just sad | |
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