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Reply #30 posted 07/29/09 10:51am

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Reply #31 posted 07/29/09 11:23am

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matthewgrant said:

jamgirl said:

The Chef told the whole story..

Showed that Michael raised his kids with God...

They knew to form a prayer circle and Paris says grace before every meal.


the whole story? I don't think anyone ever doubted Michael believed in a God and would raise his kids to do the same.


this one of the reasons i don't like quincy jones. back when mj was on trial, he wrote a blog at the huffington post about mj, something to the effect that this is what happens when you don't have god in your life. i thought that was an odd thing to say about mj who *always* got made fun of b/c he was a witness in his youth who went around 'spreading the gospel', b/c he thanked god in his award acceptance speeches, etc. i think it was bruce swedien, q's engineer, who related a story about mj asking him to pray and thank god for their creativity in the studio. even danny bonaduce said that when he met mj as a child, he asked him something like what he liked to do, and mj said, he was in constant contemplation of god. ( lol ). so no, apparently not everyone believed that mj believed in god and tried to live his faith, even though we all fall short of the glory sometimes.
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Reply #32 posted 07/29/09 11:26am

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Mike looking hot in the golden outfit.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #33 posted 07/29/09 11:32am

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As I've stated before I think the whole story is really sad. It gets worse as it unfolds everyday. It's really sad that MJ needed help, but was surrounded by people who only just wanted his money-he should've gotten help years ago. But also it is a shame that a doctor could be so incompetent to do some of the procedures that Dr. Murray did without even a thought. I hate to see a brotha go down anytime, but especially for stupid shit. One thing is for sure it all has the makings of a blockbuster movie-I know I'd pay to see it eek
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Reply #34 posted 07/29/09 11:34am

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Even if MJ survived, there are chances he would have had brain damage sad

I was listening to CNN yesterday they said Paramedics say the first 5 minutes of finding the person not breathing is the most crucial point, and after that brain damage starts occurring.



all true and what's up with the doc calling 911 @ 12pm? Didn't he find Mike around 9am? eek All sounds really negligent to me. Damn shame disbelief
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Reply #35 posted 07/29/09 11:38am

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I didn't think about MJ having brain damage from the effects of the drug but I wouldn't have been surprised. sigh Yeah what Murray did was very negligent.
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Reply #36 posted 07/29/09 11:41am

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A turf war between Las Vegas law enforcement on one hand and the DEA and the LAPD on the other could have compromised yesterday's raids on Dr. Conrad Murray's office and home ... according to multiple law enforcement sources.We're told the DEA and LAPD wanted to conduct simultaneous raids in Houston and Las Vegas to maintain the element of surprise ... but the Vegas raids were delayed 6 days.Sources say the D.A. in Vegas threw up road blocks and delayed for days before going to court to obtain a search warrant ... A member of the D.A.'s office told us it's routine for prosecutors to be "careful" in securing warrants.But sources in other agencies involved in the searches scoff at the D.A.'s concerns, claiming this was nothing more than the D.A. wanting to call the shots. And several sources say the Vegas police slowed things down by trying to take the lead over the DEA in executing the warrants.One top law enforcement official says, "There was more than enough probable cause to get a warrant." Another law enforcement officer called the actions of the D.A. and police "a power grab."The Vegas raids were conducted yesterday ... 6 days after the Houston raid. That gave Dr. Murray more than enough notice that the other shoe was about to drop.The Las Vegas D.A. would not comment. As for the Vegas PD, a spokesman told us "We're not aware of any feud over the action involving this warrant."

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Reply #37 posted 07/29/09 11:44am

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I didn't think about MJ having brain damage from the effects of the drug but I wouldn't have been surprised. sigh Yeah what Murray did was very negligent.


Not from the drug, but b/c if he wasn't breathing for too long. The oxygen would not have been going into his brain, which would have lead to brain damage. That's what CNN yesterday, that golden moment for Paramedics is the for 6 minutes after the patient stops breathing. After that its pretty much toast for the individual.
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Murray is an absolute idiot. The hospital was 3 minutes away.
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Reply #38 posted 07/29/09 11:44am

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Timmy84 said:

I didn't think about MJ having brain damage from the effects of the drug but I wouldn't have been surprised. sigh Yeah what Murray did was very negligent.



shortage of oxygen to the brain and any doc who would perform CPR on a soft surface is an idiot. They teach you not to do that from day 1 of nursing school or med school. I read somewhere that ole boy's house is in foreclosure eek So he really needs money bad confused
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Reply #39 posted 07/29/09 11:50am

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I guess the "official" leaking info is the cause of this delay:

Coroner delays release of Jackson autopsy results

By THOMAS WATKINS (AP) – 27 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES — The Los Angeles County coroner's office says release of Michael Jackson's autopsy results will be delayed.

Coroner's officials had said they were going to release the results this week but Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter said Wednesday the announcement will probably not come until next week.

Winter did not discuss reasons for the delay.

Jackson died June 25.

A law enforcement official has said investigators are working under the theory that the powerful anesthetic propofol (PROH'-puh-fahl) caused Jackson's heart to stop. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
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Reply #40 posted 07/29/09 11:50am

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Also the patient stops breathing 10 seconds after Dipravin has been administered. They were showing this on AC360 yesterday how Propofol is administered. That throws away the theory that Murray might have fell asleep during the time Dipravin was administered.

The more I read about this situation, the more pissed off I become.

See the video yesterday on CNN, where Sanjay Gupta shows Propofol being adminstered. The patient was not breathing after 10 seconds, and there were pumping something to bring him back to breathing in the medical setting.

http://www.cnn.com/video/...l.demo.cnn
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Reply #41 posted 07/29/09 11:51am

Timmy84

suga10 said:

Timmy84 said:

I didn't think about MJ having brain damage from the effects of the drug but I wouldn't have been surprised. sigh Yeah what Murray did was very negligent.


Not from the drug, but b/c if he wasn't breathing for too long. The oxygen would not have been going into his brain, which would have lead to brain damage. That's what CNN yesterday, that golden moment for Paramedics is the for 6 minutes after the patient stops breathing. After that its pretty much toast for the individual.
sad

Murray is an absolute idiot. The hospital was 3 minutes away.
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Murray sounds slow as fuck. confused
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Reply #42 posted 07/29/09 11:52am

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Something isn't right for these toxicology/autopsy reports to take so long eek
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Reply #43 posted 07/29/09 11:55am

Timmy84

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Something isn't right for these toxicology/autopsy reports to take so long eek


Someone keeps leaking info, that's why. People in the coroner's office are already being investigated for seeing MJ's death certificate and leaking info. I'm not surprised they're taking that long. When it's revealed, the propofol probably won't be found. Thanks a lot coroners. confused
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Reply #44 posted 07/29/09 11:55am

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Timmy84 said:

I guess the "official" leaking info is the cause of this delay:

Coroner delays release of Jackson autopsy results

By THOMAS WATKINS (AP) – 27 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES — The Los Angeles County coroner's office says release of Michael Jackson's autopsy results will be delayed.

Coroner's officials had said they were going to release the results this week but Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter said Wednesday the announcement will probably not come until next week.

Winter did not discuss reasons for the delay.

Jackson died June 25.

A law enforcement official has said investigators are working under the theory that the powerful anesthetic propofol (PROH'-puh-fahl) caused Jackson's heart to stop. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


This is getting on my nerves , I wouldn't be surprised if they never release it
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Reply #45 posted 07/29/09 11:57am

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Timmy84 said:

nurseV said:

Something isn't right for these toxicology/autopsy reports to take so long eek


Someone keeps leaking info, that's why. People in the coroner's office are already being investigated for seeing MJ's death certificate and leaking info. I'm not surprised they're taking that long. When it's revealed, the propofol probably won't be found. Thanks a lot coroners. confused


I'm sure they recorded Propofol their documents already. Since its a high profile case, they're taking all the time in the world to make the right call.
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Reply #46 posted 07/29/09 11:57am

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I'd like to repost this because I think it's quite beautiful. Thanks to ehuffnsd for posting this in part 9.


Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?
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Reply #47 posted 07/29/09 11:58am

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Timmy84 said:

nurseV said:

Something isn't right for these toxicology/autopsy reports to take so long eek


Someone keeps leaking info, that's why. People in the coroner's office are already being investigated for seeing MJ's death certificate and leaking info. I'm not surprised they're taking that long. When it's revealed, the propofol probably won't be found. Thanks a lot coroners. confused



Besides the leaks, I think something else is definitely wrong eek MJ has been dead a month and some days now-it shouldn't take that long. My next question is where are the investigations into these other physicians who have supplied MJ all this time? Yeah Murray was the last to do it, but he was definitely not the only one eek
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Reply #48 posted 07/29/09 12:00pm

suga10

If the family did in fact do their own autopsy, then thank god! Lets hope its true.
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Reply #49 posted 07/29/09 12:01pm

nurseV

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

I guess the "official" leaking info is the cause of this delay:

Coroner delays release of Jackson autopsy results

By THOMAS WATKINS (AP) – 27 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES — The Los Angeles County coroner's office says release of Michael Jackson's autopsy results will be delayed.

Coroner's officials had said they were going to release the results this week but Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter said Wednesday the announcement will probably not come until next week.

Winter did not discuss reasons for the delay.

Jackson died June 25.

A law enforcement official has said investigators are working under the theory that the powerful anesthetic propofol (PROH'-puh-fahl) caused Jackson's heart to stop. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


This is getting on my nerves , I wouldn't be surprised if they never release it



Looks more & more like they won't
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Reply #50 posted 07/29/09 12:02pm

Timmy84

nurseV said:

Timmy84 said:



Someone keeps leaking info, that's why. People in the coroner's office are already being investigated for seeing MJ's death certificate and leaking info. I'm not surprised they're taking that long. When it's revealed, the propofol probably won't be found. Thanks a lot coroners. confused



Besides the leaks, I think something else is definitely wrong eek MJ has been dead a month and some days now-it shouldn't take that long. My next question is where are the investigations into these other physicians who have supplied MJ all this time? Yeah Murray was the last to do it, but he was definitely not the only one eek


I keep thinking that's why they're delaying stuff. They're investigating a lot of folks who "took care" of Mike over the years.
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Reply #51 posted 07/29/09 12:03pm

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Timmy84 said:

nurseV said:




Besides the leaks, I think something else is definitely wrong eek MJ has been dead a month and some days now-it shouldn't take that long. My next question is where are the investigations into these other physicians who have supplied MJ all this time? Yeah Murray was the last to do it, but he was definitely not the only one eek


I keep thinking that's why they're delaying stuff. They're investigating a lot of folks who "took care" of Mike over the years.



Sounds like it to me also-they better have their i's dotted and their t's crossed if the results are made public.
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Reply #52 posted 07/29/09 12:04pm

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nurseV said:

babybugz said:



This is getting on my nerves , I wouldn't be surprised if they never release it



Looks more & more like they won't


It's a real drag. Something's keeping them from revealing what really happened to him. It's already been six weeks.
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Reply #53 posted 07/29/09 12:04pm

suga10

http://www.mtv.com/news/a...hael.jhtml




Michael Jackson's Mom Just Wants More Information, Lawyer Says


Judge denied Katherine Jackson's request to obtain more information about her late son's estate.

By Gil Kaufman
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A day after a Los Angeles judge rejected a plea by Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine Jackson, to hold a special hearing on her request for more information about her late son's estate, the Jackson family matriarch's attorney explained her actions.

Speaking on behalf of Katherine, attorney L. Londell McMillan issued a statement Wednesday (July 29) explaining the impetus behind Tuesday's pleadings. "Mrs. Jackson continues to serve as her son's most trusted and loyal advocate even in death," the press release read. "In an effort to gain more facts concerning a suspicious circle of relationships, [an] unnotarized will and an undisclosed trust, both drafted in 2002, which grant the executors and trustees thereunder very broad powers, Mrs. Jackson has sought formal discovery of the temporary special administrators of her son's estate."

Those administrators, longtime Jackson attorney John Branca and former music executive John McClain, have been granted temporary power to oversee Michael's holdings. Katherine Jackson's legal team asked the judge in the case to put pressure on the men to hand over more information on the estate in advance of Monday's pivotal hearing, which could determine who permanently represents the pop star's estimated $500 million fortune.

According to The Associated Press, Katherine Jackson's lawyer asked Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff if they could interview Branca and McClain on Friday and asked that they hand over business contracts and other documents related to her son's business dealings. Beckloff denied the request.

Katherine Jackson has also asked the court for an allowance to cover her own expenses and those of caring for Jackson's three young children. That matter and the question of who will permanently handle the estate could be determined at Monday's hearing. Jackson's 2002 will placed his assets in a trust that named Katherine and the children as beneficiaries, as well as unnamed children's charities.

In addition to seeking personal, business and legal information relating to Jackson and his deal with AEG Live, Tuesday's filing sought the handover of "life-insurance policies, settlements and disputes, as well as agreements between the temporary special administrators and Michael Jackson (and others)," according to the AP. Responding to claims that Branca and McClain were "intent on keeping [Katherine Jackson] in the dark as much and for as long as possible," lawyers for the men said that the Jackson family matriarch had made "voluminous, burdensome and invasive discovery demands" that were impossible to meet in such a short time frame.

The lawyers for Branca and McClain also said they could not turn over the AEG contract because of confidentiality provisions but would do so if she agreed to those provisions. The two sides, however, reportedly could not agree on terms. Howard Weitzman, the attorney representing McClain and Branca, said in a statement released Tuesday that McMillan's in-court comments on behalf of Katherine Jackson, 79, indicate that she is trying "to rewrite Michael's will to make Mrs. Jackson 'Guardian of the Estate' and have her appointed as an Executor and Trustee of Michael Jackson's Estate."

McMillan denied those claims in Wednesday's statement, saying, "To be clear, neither Mrs. Jackson nor her representatives seek to rewrite her son's will. Her concerns are and remain the welfare of her son's surviving children, the preservation of his legacy and the protection of his estate. Unfortunately, and contrary to their public statements, lawyers for John Branca and John McClain have either denied Mrs. Jackson access to critical information or insisted on such onerous and unreasonable restrictions on her access to and use of such information as to be tantamount to an outright refusal," specifically referring to the contract Jackson signed with promoter AEG for his planned 50-show string of comeback shows at London's O2 arena.

"Mrs. Jackson is looking for transparency in terms of the administration of her son's estate," McMillan said. "Because this transparency has not been forthcoming, she was forced to resort to making formal discovery requests. Such measures will not be necessary if Mrs. Jackson is appointed a co-executor of the estate." The lawyer claims that Katherine Jackson was the only person who served as a trustee and co-manager of her son's business interests at the time of his death and that the will allows for the appointment of a third executor. Katherine Jackson was initially appointed temporary administrator of Jackson's affairs, but Beckloff transferred the title to McClain and Branca after the 2002 will surfaced, counseling them to seek Mrs. Jackson's opinion on any major business deals.

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Reply #54 posted 07/29/09 12:05pm

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matthewgrant said:

Mstrustme said:




flipped off

no no no! no need for that. I would actually agree.

when are the fans going to stop blaming everyone else but Michael Jackson for his drug problem?
You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Reply #55 posted 07/29/09 12:07pm

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Timmy84 said:

nurseV said:




Looks more & more like they won't


It's a real drag. Something's keeping them from revealing what really happened to him. It's already been six weeks.

Can you believe it? sad
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #56 posted 07/29/09 12:09pm

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Mstrustme said:

matthewgrant said:

no no no! no need for that. I would actually agree.


smile I don't disagree w/ what he typed, it's his tone that wasn't correct no no no!

i'm a drug addict i've suffered with the result of meth addict for nearly ten years. i know first hand what it's like to have a drug problem. i know what it's like to show up to work high and what it's like to come up with excuses for my problem instead of dealing with the issue head on. yeah it's easy to blame my issues on my childhood, but in the end it's me the chose to pick up the pipe, not my dealer, not my tricks, not my friends at the time, not my parents, no one but myself. that is why i'm highly critical of all of you that try to make excuses for Michael and his addiction. he chose to not deal with his problems and escape through drugs. and as they say in NA there are only three results to drug addiction Jails Institutions and Death.
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Reply #57 posted 07/29/09 12:10pm

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dag said:

Timmy84 said:



It's a real drag. Something's keeping them from revealing what really happened to him. It's already been six weeks.

Can you believe it? sad

a pending investigation maybe and the DA doesn't want to reveal what it knows so that way the suspects don't get a lead.
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Reply #58 posted 07/29/09 12:13pm

nurseV

ehuffnsd said:

Mstrustme said:



smile I don't disagree w/ what he typed, it's his tone that wasn't correct no no no!

i'm a drug addict i've suffered with the result of meth addict for nearly ten years. i know first hand what it's like to have a drug problem. i know what it's like to show up to work high and what it's like to come up with excuses for my problem instead of dealing with the issue head on. yeah it's easy to blame my issues on my childhood, but in the end it's me the chose to pick up the pipe, not my dealer, not my tricks, not my friends at the time, not my parents, no one but myself. that is why i'm highly critical of all of you that try to make excuses for Michael and his addiction. he chose to not deal with his problems and escape through drugs. and as they say in NA there are only three results to drug addiction Jails Institutions and Death.


I really applaud you for even telling us this-it takes a strong person to be able to deal with any addiction. I for one am not blaming anyone for the death of MJ-it will happen to use all eventually. But you can't deny the facts that these doctors and other takers share some responsibility. There comes a time when you have to say "NO" even to Michael Jackson.
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Reply #59 posted 07/29/09 12:14pm

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dag said:

Timmy84 said:



It's a real drag. Something's keeping them from revealing what really happened to him. It's already been six weeks.

Can you believe it? sad



It still bothers me, I try not to think about it. I only wished that he could see how much the world really did love him.
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