CrozzaUK said:

True, but knowing Warner, it might just be a few tracks remastered, the rest is album versions/radio edits and a few remixes...

Yes, Orbit was asked to listen all of his old work with M, so he probably did some remastering indeed. But it's not a "big deal" that they managed to ask Orbit, Mirwais, Stuart or Patrick to do that... It's all the rest that has to be remastered (the pre-Bedtime Stories stuff) yet those people might not want to be a part of it...

As for the selling point argument, they still would have to use the most popular versions, so why not remaster the TIC mixes? I'm still convinced EY and "Vogue" have to be the remixes for a definitive GH aimed at casuals. "Erotica" would not be a selling point in its original version anyway, so I can see them throwing a bone to fans with the CT mix, along with the almost-made-it-into-CT mix of "Everybody".

The original version of ITG was only available on CD as part of a Japanese box set, the 1995 german yellow disc single reissues and the European version of the LAV album, but these are long out of print.

LiveToTell86 said:

we're getting the remixes. that's all.

errant said:

It changed the world if by changing the world you mean it was one of the album tracks people liked but then got burnt out on when it was actually released as a third single!

This was a lot of work. I could only find 45.



1. Frozen
2. Music
3. Deeper and Deeper
4. Erotica You Thrill Me
5. Like a Prayer
6. Skin
7. Get Into the Groove
8. Mother and Father
9. Impressive Instant
10. Gone
11. Isaac
12. Miles Away
13. Nothing Fails
14. Love Tried to Welcome Me
15. Words
16. Die Another Day
17. Waiting
18. Sky Fits Heaven
19. Get Together
20. Hollywood
21. Holiday
22. Swim
23. X-static Process
24. Sanctuary
25. Let It Will Be
26. Live To Tell
27. Nothing Really Matters
28. Something To Remember
29. Paradise (Not For Me)
30. Justify My Love
31. Nobody Knows Me
32. Material Girl
33. Secret
34. The Power of Goodbye
35. Intervention
36. What It Feels Like To Be A Girl
37. How High
38. Love Don't Live Here Anymore
39. Human Nature
40. Bedtime Story
41. Voices
42. Nobody's Perfect
43. She's Not Me
44. Sorry
45. Dress You Up

More news about the Celebration tracklist:
All songs will appear on their album version except:
a)4 Minutes, Everybody, Sorry, Secret, Erotica, Dress You Up, Miles Away & Don't Tell Me will appear in album edits
b)Vogue, Like A Virgin, Like A Prayer, Express Yourself, Open Your Heart, Borderline, Crazy For You & Cherish will appear in the Immaculate Collection versions.

Cool so we will get the original version of Into The Groove after all:)

jiorjios said:

W.

T.

F.









this is completely fucking stupid.

1. have the albums.
2. have the Immaculate Collection.



it's a fucking travesty, if this is true.

what's the source?


this better not be true. most useless piece of shit ever, if it is.

jiorjios said:

If this is true, I'm OK with it. I'll gladly sacrifice just about anything for "Who's That Girl" and the original version of "Into the Groove"!

The source is Madonna Tribe once again, so it's all true!

CD 1:
01) Hung Up - LP Version
02) Music - LP Version
03) Vogue - Immaculate Collection Version
04) 4 Minutes - LP Edit
05) Holiday - LP Version
06) Like A Virgin - Immaculate Collection Version
07) Into The Groove - LP Version
08) Everybody - LP Edit
09) Like A Prayer - Immaculate Collection Version
10) Ray Of Light - LP Version
11) Sorry - LP Edit
12) Express Yourself - Immaculate Collection Version
13) Open Your Heart - Immaculate Collection Version
14) Borderline - Immaculate Collection Version
15) Secret - LP Edit
16) Erotica - LP Edit
17) Justify My Love - LP Version
18) Celebrate

CD 2:
01) Dress You Up - LP Edit
02) Material Girl - LP Version
03) La Isla Bonita - LP Version
04) Papa Don't Preach - LP Version
05) Lucky Star - LP Edit
06) Burning Up - LP Version
07) Crazy For You - Immaculate Collection Version
08) Who's That Girl - LP Version
09) Frozen - LP Version
10) Miles Away - LP Edit
11) Take A Bow - LP Version
12) Beautiful Stranger - LP Version
13) Hollywood - LP Version
14) Die Another Day - LP Version
15) Don't Tell Me - LP Edit
16) Live To Tell - LP Version
17) Cherish - Immaculate Collection Version
18) Revolver

So ITG is the only one that I was wrong about. And of course the remixes, shocked that "Hollywood" is the album version...

I seriously doubt her beef with Stephen Bray is the reason there's a remix of EY on the iTunes version of LAP. it's probably just a mix-up at Warner/iTunes.

I mean, because the guy CO-WROTE the song with her. He's getting paid a lot more for that in royalties than he is for a producer's credit. Also, there isn't a remix taking the place of Keep It Together on there, and he wrote and produced that as well. nor do remixes replace anything on True Blue on iTunes. also, iTunes is the ONLY place that EY is replaced with a remix.

just seems like a mix-up to me.

oh, and SoulAlive, I prefer the remix too. however, the one I prefer most is the 7" remix because it's the best of both worlds. it's a Pettibone remix (slightly) and it's got the punchier bassline, but keeps the horns in.

AlexdeParis said:

these are already both on CD. WTG quite easily. ITG, less so.


I was really hoping for those early edits on CD

errant said:

Maybe not because of the beef, but I'm sure it's intentional. The 8 minute version was only available on the German single reissue and the Remixed Prayers, surely it was not a mistake to include a more popular version. Of course it's rewriting history, but oh well...

you know, it really pisses me off that they're using such a hodge podge of stuff for this release... some single edits, some album versions, some TIC remixes.

what a piece of crap, really. i added up the difference in track lengths for things that are longer TIC versions or album versions when there was single edit available and on both discs, if they'd just used the original single edits/mixes, they could have fit an extra track (or two!) on each disc. i get something like 6 extra minutes on disc 1 and around 4 minutes on disc 2 that is wasted with longer mixes and album versions.

was really hoping to get early edits of things like Holiday and the 7" remixes of Like A Prayer and Express Yourself on CD with this release.

what a waste. if they were going to do it, they should have done it right. what we've got here is so far from right that i don't know if i'll even bother buying it.

and when they call Into The Groove the LP version, does this mean the 4:40 original mix? or the You Can Dance version? because I've seen that one come up in CD databases as "LP Version"... wondering the same about Everybody, if it's the original 4 minute single edit or if it's the edit of the YCD "LP version"... know what I mean?

LiveToTell86 said:

all the other download sites i've checked have the regular album version in its proper place.

errant said:

Uh oh, that's possible! Those 2 versions were the base of the TIC mixes, so I can see it being true...

here's hoping they put a shitload of those "digital 45's" for her they've been releasing on iTunes lately to make up for this travesty of a tracklist.

errant said:

I really hope we get the original ITG. We already have the YCD remix and its shortened version which is the Immaculate mix. For Everybody I wouldn't mind the YCD remix, that one is pretty cool

jiorjios said:

Madonnatribe said, ITG will be the album version. In which way does it differ from the single version?

errant said:

It could be worse. I hadn't heard The Immaculate Collection in years, so I'll pulled it out and listened to some of it. First of all, the "Holiday" remix is dire! WTF is up with the weird drumming towards the end? I'd also prefer a single edit of "Holiday," but anything's better than that abomination.

For "Like a Prayer" and "Express Yourself," I'm not a fan of either 7" Remix. The former omits the initial "home" at the beginning and I hate the backwards choir. I'd be happier with a simple edit of the album version or even the TIC remix. As for EY, I'm not a fan of the horns at all. Shep or bust for that one IMO.

AlexdeParis said:

funny, I think the Immaculate version of Holiday is actually an improvement. the only one I feel that way about, though

and I didn't mean the 7" RE-mix of LAP. I meant the 7" version. two different things. the 7" version is like the album version but slightly remixed, not like the one that's an actual remix.

also, Shep did mix the 7" remix for Express Yourself. it's just that it's only slightly re-mixed to bring forward some of the elements. it is actually the one that's used for the video, as it's very much like the "Local Mix" but with the horns left in during the instrumental parts and it doesn't include that acapella & drums intro.

graecophilos said:

they said it's the album version, but which album? in most of the world, ITG only appeared on the albums You Can Dance and The Immaculate Collection.

i'm hoping they mean the original single version and not the remix.

if that shit is still "mixed in Q-Sound" i'm going to fucking spit!

errant said:

You're kidding!? I need you to explain to me what that drum breakdown is supposed to be. I was listening in the car and, well, I'm just glad I'm not hurt.


Oh, I only have Remixed Prayers. I guess I haven't heard the 7" version.


But there are two video versions.



I seem to recall the remix being played more often, at least in my experience.

AlexdeParis said:

remix was played more often only after the video was given a second life in its run with the remixed/re-edited video. it became the standard one after it was inclucded on the Immaculate Collection video as stations just played it from that instead of digging up their old copies when they wanted to play Madonna videos.

i seem to recall there being several different edits of the remix video at the time, so that probably had something to do with it being played more often as well based on time and content restraints.

errant said:

See thats why i dont get them including TIC versions. Almost all those tracks were remixed in Q Sound, so unless they've re-remixed them - theyll still be q sound - just remastered. Im almost over this project and its not even out yet. Its as lazy and half arsed as everything else she does nowadays. Its not even about not being able to please all her fans - that is of course impossible - its about showing respect to her own back catalogue.

CrozzaUK said:

what i'm guessing is that Pettibone just remixed them and some engineer came in and Q-Sounded them up. if they've abandoned the Q-Sound aspect of them, it might be neat to have the remixes without that useless 4-way stereo effect that never really worked in the first place.

but it would be neat to have them just on a re-issue of The Immaculate Collection. not on this release.

LiveToTell86 said:

I hope this isn't true.

anyway two questions
what is Q sound
and what's this beef with Stephan Bray?

This is bulls**t.

If they used the single versions and edits in place of LP versions, they could have added a few more cuts there.

At this point, 7'' versions need to be used in place of Immaculate Collection versions. This is a hits collection - give me the hit versions. That means the 7'' remixes of Express Yourself and Like a Prayer.

There are a ton of hits missing here, shunned to make room for non-hits like Hollywood and Miles Away. How did Sorry (#58 Hot 100) make the cut over Keep It Together (#8), True Blue (#3) or I'll Remember (#2)?
[Edited 8/17/09 17:24pm]

VoicesCarry said:

the whole thing is just getting worse. i was excited about this. i'm not now.


I wonder if Guy Oseary picked those versions because those are the ones he heard first!? punk.
[Edited 8/17/09 17:32pm]

VoicesCarry said:

This album is not just being released in the United States. Sorry was a huge hit all over Europe. I don't think Keep it Together was even a single in Europe.