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Reply #960 posted 08/12/09 5:38pm

SoulAlive

VinnyM27 said:

SoulAlive said:

Latest Rumor: This is the final tracklist,according to Warner Spain

Disc 1---
Everybody
Holiday
Lucky Star
Dress You Up
Material Girl
Like A Virgin
Into The Groove
Who's That Girl
Crazy For You
Open Your Heart
Papa Don't Preach
La Isla Bonita
Live To Tell
Like A Prayer
Express Yourself
Hanky Panky
Vogue
Celebration

Disc 2---
Erotica
Deeper And Deeper
Rain
Take A Bow
Bedtime Story
You Must Love Me
Ray Of Light
Frozen
Music
Don't Tell Me
American Life
Die Another Day
Hung Up
Get Together
Miles Away
4 Minutes
Revolver



thumbs up! I like this tracklist alot more than that rumored Japan tracklist.Neglected hits like "Who's That Girl" and "Dress You Up" are included,which would make many fans happy.

The only song that I would remove is "Hanky Panky",a novelty hit that really doesn't need to be here.Replace it with either "Causing A Commotion" or "Justify My Love" and this set would be perfect.


Also, where is "Beautiful Stranger". Easily more memorable than "Hanky Panky". But "Who's That Girl" and "Dress You Up"....very nice! And "Get Together" over "Sorry"....I don't know! "Secret" is not on there but "Bedtime Story" is? No way it's real.



I wish this tracklist was real lol I like it for the most part.
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Reply #961 posted 08/12/09 5:40pm

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SoulAlive said:

graecophilos said:



no, work on they album was much longer!

M and Stevie Bray wrote the songs in 1983 and reworked others for the album.

To this day Nile Rodgers praises the album and I believe he even said it's her best album ever.

When he said a lot of the songs were recorded in one take it was not meant dismissive, he is rather porud of that.

Anyway, they started to work on the album in early 1984 and it took about 4 months. In July 1984 she already wanted to release it, but because of the success of Borderline they waited til it fizzled out.

Into The Groove does not really belong there since it was written two years after the other M/Bray songs.

The three main songs were indeed LAV, DYU and MG. They helped to shape her image.

LDLHA is a characteristic choice from Nile Rodgers. It sounds like all the Chic ballads.

I still have mixed feelings on the album. Side A is great. LAV, Angel, MG, Over & Over is okay, LDLHA well...

It's side B that lacks of great songs. DYU is an excellent opener, but Pretender and Stay are horrible, just awful and Shoo-Bee-Doo I find not as bad as people say, still it's a filler.

So, the two songs that really ruin the album are the last ones.



That's exactly what I said lol It's those last two songs that aren't very good.Replace those with two stronger songs (I suggested "Ain't No Big Deal and "Don't You Know") and the album would be near perfect.


It'd be nowhere near perfect unless "Shoo Bee Doo" was jettisoned far, far away. lol
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Reply #962 posted 08/12/09 5:44pm

SoulAlive

I like "Shoo Bee Doo" music music music music


Moonbeam,what's your opinion of "Ain't No Big Thing" and "Don't You Know"? Would those songs have made the album better?
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Reply #963 posted 08/12/09 5:50pm

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tritoncin said:

Today I bought Diamonds & Pearls DVD and it had a DVD catalogue inside. On page 8 there are 3 DVD's from Madonna for sale and one of them is MADONNA THE ULTIMATE COLLECTION- 2 DVD SET..

It's a small pic, I don't know if's the definitive cover but it has a small pic of the TIC DVD cover (the light Blue one with a beige "M")among other 9 pics from the videos to Frozen, Take a Bow or You'll see (?), La Isla Bonita, Rain, I'll Remember, Open Your Heart Lucky Star, Ray of light. I can't recognize the last one (it could be LAP. It looks like crosses burning...)
The main pic is from the TIC era with black hair and black shorts and spotted blouse/T-shirt.

Hope it contains the Erotica and Justify videos...

It says: CAt No. 7599 38519 2
[Edited 8/12/09 17:35pm]


That's just a box set containing the Immaculate Collection and Video Collection 93-99 DVDs
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Reply #964 posted 08/12/09 5:52pm

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SoulAlive said:

I like "Shoo Bee Doo" music music music music


Moonbeam,what's your opinion of "Ain't No Big Thing" and "Don't You Know"? Would those songs have made the album better?

No Into the Groove and Gambler would have made it better.
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Reply #965 posted 08/12/09 6:02pm

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ehuffnsd said:

SoulAlive said:

I like "Shoo Bee Doo" music music music music


Moonbeam,what's your opinion of "Ain't No Big Thing" and "Don't You Know"? Would those songs have made the album better?

No Into the Groove and Gambler would have made it better.

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Reply #966 posted 08/12/09 7:01pm

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badujunkie said:

VinnyM27 said:



I'll give you "Everybody" and "Miles Away" (although is that confirmed by pages of the possible booklet?) but "Hanky Panky" over "Beautiful Stranger" I really question.


am i the only living M fan that likes Hanky panky???

I recently pulled out "I'm Breathless" and I like the song, but it's more of a song to consider right away if "Celebration" is a three disc affair. I would put it ahead of "Miles Away" and "Get Together", but those seem more likely choices.
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Reply #967 posted 08/12/09 8:07pm

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jiorjios said:

tritoncin said:

Today I bought Diamonds & Pearls DVD and it had a DVD catalogue inside. On page 8 there are 3 DVD's from Madonna for sale and one of them is MADONNA THE ULTIMATE COLLECTION- 2 DVD SET..

It's a small pic, I don't know if's the definitive cover but it has a small pic of the TIC DVD cover (the light Blue one with a beige "M")among other 9 pics from the videos to Frozen, Take a Bow or You'll see (?), La Isla Bonita, Rain, I'll Remember, Open Your Heart Lucky Star, Ray of light. I can't recognize the last one (it could be LAP. It looks like crosses burning...)
The main pic is from the TIC era with black hair and black shorts and spotted blouse/T-shirt.

Hope it contains the Erotica and Justify videos...

It says: CAt No. 7599 38519 2
[Edited 8/12/09 17:35pm]


That's just a box set containing the Immaculate Collection and Video Collection 93-99 DVDs

Oh!

Thanx!

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Reply #968 posted 08/12/09 9:09pm

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SoulAlive said:

I like "Shoo Bee Doo" music music music music


Moonbeam,what's your opinion of "Ain't No Big Thing" and "Don't You Know"? Would those songs have made the album better?


I like 'em both! I think they would have improved Like a Virgin, but they aren't classics.
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Reply #969 posted 08/13/09 3:12am

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Celebration debutes at No.71 in the Hot 100 sad
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Reply #970 posted 08/13/09 6:47am

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Moonbeam said:

SoulAlive said:

I like "Shoo Bee Doo" music music music music


Moonbeam,what's your opinion of "Ain't No Big Thing" and "Don't You Know"? Would those songs have made the album better?


I like 'em both! I think they would have improved Like a Virgin, but they aren't classics.


I think both sound more fitting to the first album than LAV. Dont You Know is the coolest track - i love love love it - particularly the Prince-like synth solo. Its testament to the fact that any future box set / anthology shouldnt start from 'Madonna', but instead right from the beginning of her recording in 1980.
Aint no Big Deal should have been on the record, but i guess they were going for a clean 8 track album - also wasn't it part of the deal Steve Bray and madonna struck. He got sole writing credit for that, and she kept her credits for the songs on the first album.

I assume that the reason Gambler and Crazy For You weren't included on Like A Virgin was a record label thing (they were Geffen weren't they?) - as they were recorded by the time LAV went to pressing. Id love to hear how Nile Rogers would have made Gambler sound - more punch id expect.
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Reply #971 posted 08/13/09 7:02am

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jiorjios said:

Celebration debutes at No.71 in the Hot 100 sad



and what did you expect man? celebration isn't exactly as good or catchy as Ray of light, Music or Hung up...
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Reply #972 posted 08/13/09 8:22am

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JoeTyler said:

jiorjios said:

Celebration debutes at No.71 in the Hot 100 sad



and what did you expect man? celebration isn't exactly as good or catchy as Ray of light, Music or Hung up...


True I wasn't expecting much better.However I don't think that there are 70 better songs on the charts.
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Reply #973 posted 08/13/09 10:38am

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SoulAlive said:

graecophilos said:



no, work on they album was much longer!

M and Stevie Bray wrote the songs in 1983 and reworked others for the album.

To this day Nile Rodgers praises the album and I believe he even said it's her best album ever.

When he said a lot of the songs were recorded in one take it was not meant dismissive, he is rather porud of that.

Anyway, they started to work on the album in early 1984 and it took about 4 months. In July 1984 she already wanted to release it, but because of the success of Borderline they waited til it fizzled out.

Into The Groove does not really belong there since it was written two years after the other M/Bray songs.

The three main songs were indeed LAV, DYU and MG. They helped to shape her image.

LDLHA is a characteristic choice from Nile Rodgers. It sounds like all the Chic ballads.

I still have mixed feelings on the album. Side A is great. LAV, Angel, MG, Over & Over is okay, LDLHA well...

It's side B that lacks of great songs. DYU is an excellent opener, but Pretender and Stay are horrible, just awful and Shoo-Bee-Doo I find not as bad as people say, still it's a filler.

So, the two songs that really ruin the album are the last ones.



That's exactly what I said lol It's those last two songs that aren't very good.Replace those with two stronger songs (I suggested "Ain't No Big Deal and "Don't You Know") and the album would be near perfect.


I know you said that, but I don't agree on the two songs. Imo, they could have replaced I Know It and Think Of Me from MADONNA...

But speaking of old songs, Crimes Of Passion is another great gem, isn't it?

Anyway, as someone said, the BEST possible replacement/additions would have been Into The Groove and CFY.

Well, imagine those two on the album. Would have been an quasi-best of, like MJ's Thriller and Wham's Make It Big

Material Girl
Angel
Like A Virgin
Over & Over
Love...
Dress You Up
Shoo-Bee-Doo
Crazy For You
Into The Groove!

okay, so it would have had three slow songs, but maybe she could have used Crimes of Passion after all or someone else's songs, haha, but that's too much plastic surgery.
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Reply #974 posted 08/13/09 10:39am

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Moonbeam said:

SoulAlive said:

I like "Shoo Bee Doo" music music music music


Moonbeam,what's your opinion of "Ain't No Big Thing" and "Don't You Know"? Would those songs have made the album better?


I like 'em both! I think they would have improved Like a Virgin, but they aren't classics.


theyx are no classics because virtually noones knows these songs.
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Reply #975 posted 08/13/09 10:40am

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jiorjios said:

JoeTyler said:




and what did you expect man? celebration isn't exactly as good or catchy as Ray of light, Music or Hung up...


True I wasn't expecting much better.However I don't think that there are 70 better songs on the charts.


It's so surprise.

And the song is not great anyway. Spotlight is better!
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Reply #976 posted 08/13/09 11:37am

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JoeTyler said:

jiorjios said:

Celebration debutes at No.71 in the Hot 100 sad



and what did you expect man? celebration isn't exactly as good or catchy as Ray of light, Music or Hung up...

Even if it were, the song sort of just came out without any hype (at least in non Madonna world). I'm sure most people don't even know Madonna has a new single, let alone a greatest hits collection, coming out.

I know it';s over a month away, but I'm still a bit concerned about an offical tracklist not coming out. Could this low placing even delay this news as well as the release?
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Reply #977 posted 08/13/09 11:56am

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VinnyM27 said:

JoeTyler said:




and what did you expect man? celebration isn't exactly as good or catchy as Ray of light, Music or Hung up...

Even if it were, the song sort of just came out without any hype (at least in non Madonna world). I'm sure most people don't even know Madonna has a new single, let alone a greatest hits collection, coming out.

I know it';s over a month away, but I'm still a bit concerned about an offical tracklist not coming out. Could this low placing even delay this news as well as the release?

the clubs know. i had a couple djs ask me for some info on the track.
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Reply #978 posted 08/13/09 2:12pm

Cinnie

I'm quite pleased that I found a CD copy of You Can Dance: SINGLE EDITS OF ALBUM REMIXES.

Un-segued! w00t:

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Reply #979 posted 08/13/09 2:12pm

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ehuffnsd said:

VinnyM27 said:


Even if it were, the song sort of just came out without any hype (at least in non Madonna world). I'm sure most people don't even know Madonna has a new single, let alone a greatest hits collection, coming out.

I know it';s over a month away, but I'm still a bit concerned about an offical tracklist not coming out. Could this low placing even delay this news as well as the release?

the clubs know. i had a couple djs ask me for some info on the track.


What kinda clubs? [Snip - luv4u]
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Reply #980 posted 08/13/09 2:17pm

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ehuffnsd said:

VinnyM27 said:


Even if it were, the song sort of just came out without any hype (at least in non Madonna world). I'm sure most people don't even know Madonna has a new single, let alone a greatest hits collection, coming out.

I know it';s over a month away, but I'm still a bit concerned about an offical tracklist not coming out. Could this low placing even delay this news as well as the release?

the clubs know. i had a couple djs ask me for some info on the track.



if the dj's are asking you about it, then i guess the clubs DON'T know yet...? confuse
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Reply #981 posted 08/13/09 2:43pm

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errant said:

ehuffnsd said:


the clubs know. i had a couple djs ask me for some info on the track.



if the dj's are asking you about it, then i guess the clubs DON'T know yet...? confuse

well they are clubs in San Diego, none of LA dj contacts are coming to me.
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Reply #982 posted 08/13/09 4:08pm

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Top stars rumoured for 'X Factor' appearances

Simon Cowell is celebrating after reportedly recruiting a host of stars including Madonna, Rihanna and Whitney Houston to appear on his U.K. TV talent show The X Factor.
Ratings for the competition soared last year after pop star Beyonce agreed to make an appearance on the show.
Now Cowell is hoping to draw even more viewers after inking deals with Madonna, Houston, Robbie Williams and Rihanna, according to Britain's The Sun newspaper.
The publication alleges news of the superstar deals leaked after The X Factor choreographer Brian Friedman boasted about the talent due to perform on the show.
A source tells the tabloid, 'Brian is really excited about this year's show because there are some great artists involved. He is proud to be part of it and admires Simon's ability to attract A-listers.'
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Reply #983 posted 08/13/09 6:36pm

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graecophilos said:

SoulAlive said:



That's exactly what I said lol It's those last two songs that aren't very good.Replace those with two stronger songs (I suggested "Ain't No Big Deal and "Don't You Know") and the album would be near perfect.


I know you said that, but I don't agree on the two songs. Imo, they could have replaced I Know It and Think Of Me from MADONNA...

eek There's no need to replace any songs on Madonna! I'd welcome those two as bonus tracks, though.
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Reply #984 posted 08/13/09 6:41pm

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I wouldn't dream of replacing Think Of Me.

I Know It is supercorny, though, with its Legend Of Zelda melody and instrumentation.


really kind of weird to be seeing so many people thinking that Ain't No Big Deal is so great. i mean, yeah, in a bonus, novelty rare b-side barely known kind of way.

but if it was on any album, it would be the one we'd all be saying needs to be replaced by something else, anything else.
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Reply #985 posted 08/13/09 6:44pm

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I wouldn't dream of replacing Think Of Me.

I Know It is supercorny, though, with its Legend Of Zelda melody and instrumentation.


really kind of weird to be seeing so many people thinking that Ain't No Big Deal is so great. i mean, yeah, in a bonus, novelty rare b-side barely known kind of way.

but if it was on any album, it would be the one we'd all be saying needs to be replaced by something else, anything else.


I love "I Know It". mad

I even like it more than "Holiday" and "Borderline".
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Reply #986 posted 08/13/09 6:46pm

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Moonbeam said:

errant said:

I wouldn't dream of replacing Think Of Me.

I Know It is supercorny, though, with its Legend Of Zelda melody and instrumentation.


really kind of weird to be seeing so many people thinking that Ain't No Big Deal is so great. i mean, yeah, in a bonus, novelty rare b-side barely known kind of way.

but if it was on any album, it would be the one we'd all be saying needs to be replaced by something else, anything else.


I love "I Know It". mad

I even like it more than "Holiday" and "Borderline".



yeah, you would razz lol
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Reply #987 posted 08/13/09 6:52pm

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errant said:

I Know It is supercorny, though, with its Legend Of Zelda melody and instrumentation.

Comparing something to The Legend of Zelda is certainly not going to make me like it less. lol

really kind of weird to be seeing so many people thinking that Ain't No Big Deal is so great. i mean, yeah, in a bonus, novelty rare b-side barely known kind of way.

Have you heard the '81 version? It's on Pre-Madonna. I'm telling you, it's a billion times better than that terrible b-side version.
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Reply #988 posted 08/13/09 7:08pm

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AlexdeParis said:

errant said:

I Know It is supercorny, though, with its Legend Of Zelda melody and instrumentation.

Comparing something to The Legend of Zelda is certainly not going to make me like it less. lol

really kind of weird to be seeing so many people thinking that Ain't No Big Deal is so great. i mean, yeah, in a bonus, novelty rare b-side barely known kind of way.

Have you heard the '81 version? It's on Pre-Madonna. I'm telling you, it's a billion times better than that terrible b-side version.



of course i've heard it. i'm one of those people that ordered it from stephen bray before it was even available in stores lol

and yeah, it is better in a neat curio sort of way but that pinching her nose to create an effect on her voice stuff was not going to fly. the song just isn't that impressive melodicaly or lyrically or vocally, in any version i've heard.

if this song was on her first album instead of Holiday (which replaced it) and years later, Holiday just showed up out of the blue as a b-side, and you knew that it could have been on her debut instead of Ain't No Big Deal, what would you say? you'd say "oh my god, I can't believe they left this off her debut album and put that piece of shit on there instead" because that's what everyone would think of "Ain't No Big Deal" if it was on an album. a piece of shit that should have been replaced at all costs. lol

sorry, i like the song alright, but let's not get carried away. it's not better than anything on her debut or even LAV, as much as i dislike a few tracks from that album in particular.
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Reply #989 posted 08/13/09 7:23pm

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errant said:

AlexdeParis said:


Have you heard the '81 version? It's on Pre-Madonna. I'm telling you, it's a billion times better than that terrible b-side version.



of course i've heard it. i'm one of those people that ordered it from stephen bray before it was even available in stores lol

and yeah, it is better in a neat curio sort of way but that pinching her nose to create an effect on her voice stuff was not going to fly. the song just isn't that impressive melodicaly or lyrically or vocally, in any version i've heard.

if this song was on her first album instead of Holiday (which replaced it) and years later, Holiday just showed up out of the blue as a b-side, and you knew that it could have been on her debut instead of Ain't No Big Deal, what would you say? you'd say "oh my god, I can't believe they left this off her debut album and put that piece of shit on there instead" because that's what everyone would think of "Ain't No Big Deal" if it was on an album. a piece of shit that should have been replaced at all costs. lol

sorry, i like the song alright, but let's not get carried away. it's not better than anything on her debut or even LAV, as much as i dislike a few tracks from that album in particular.

there really are reasons Madonna's unreleased tracks are unreleased
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