honestly, who really cares what the official tracklist is? we're just going to pillage it to make our own

errant said:

i think the only thing that will satisfy us would be a box set of every international single and promotional single release, remastered of course, all tours on dvd with backstage footage and all songs performed included, a complete video collection, unreleased songs, b-sides, a dvd of interviews, and a disc of all brand new songs. pretty big box set.

CHIC0 said:

see, i think the multi-disc partof this should have been a 4 or 5 disc box set with some hits, rare stuff and unreleased stuff, with the single disc version culling the "greatest hits" from that, a separate 2-disc comprehensive video collection.

i guess we'll have to wait awhile for that.


wouldn't it be a kicker if the single disc version of Celebration had stuff on it that isn't on the 2-disc version? my initial reaction would be but after about 5 minutes, it might be

errant said:

don't hold your breath on that one.




there's no initial reaction. you just buy it regardless.

Moonbeam said:

Your brother and I used to come up with this kind of thing all the time when we ordered all of those 4-CD jewel cases off of ebay. We'd joke that we should hire ourselves out to Prince, Madonna, Bowie, etc. to curate their back catalogs



I just made a 5-disc mock-up in iTunes and it looks pretty good. about 75 minutes per disc. Problem being that my old "6 tracks from each album" runs into a problem with Hard Candy. there aren't legitamtely 6 tracks that got any sort of attention beyond the 3 singles and then Beat Goes On charting on the Pop 100 chart. I never really included Mother And Father except when it was first released, because 7 tracks from the flop American Life seemed like overkill, but also because it was really a club promo from Peter Rauhofer's album and not really a Madonna release, per se.



it's a True Blue outtake (though remixed - probably only slightly - for YCD) and rumor is that YCD was actually prepared for release in late 1986 or early 1987 before WTG became a more in-depth project for her on the music side. also, it keeps me from having to break up WTG singles between discs and the flow of The Look Of Love into Like a Prayer is more satisfying than having Spotlight between them. finally, Everybody and Spotlight make great bookends for the first disc, thematically.



If I still listened to it in CD form, yes it would irritate me mightily. before Celebration (and theoretically Revolver), it kind of worked out okay. I just put Fever and Bye Baby at the end of disc 2 and started disc 3 with Bad Girl and Rain since that disc is so mellow anyway. with the new stuff, I had to re-shuffle and move Beautiful Stranger back to disc 2. and the longer Bad Girl had to switch with Bye Bye Baby on disc 2. but since i only listen to it in an iTunes playlist now, it doesn't really matter since there are no disc breaks





disc 4 currently stands at 1:16:47 so as long as it's no longer than 4 minutes, it'll be fine.

StarCat said:

Except the last one, I'd buy them all

Another tracklist at eil.com

It's in chronological order - I think.

http://eil.com/shop/morei...gid=480357

Tracklisting unconfirmed, but scheduled to include:
CD 1:
1. Everybody
2. Holiday
3. Lucky Star
4. Like A Virgin
5. Material Girl
6. Crazy For You
7. Into The Groove
8. Live To Tell
9. Papa Don’ t Preach
10. True Blue
11. Open Your Heart
12. La Isla Bonita
13. Who’s That Girl?
14. Like A Prayer
15. Express Yourself
16. Vogue
17. Justify My Love
18. Erotica
19. Rain

CD 2:
1. Take A Bow
2. Don’t Cry For Me Argentina
3. Frozen
4. Ray Of Light
5. The Power Of Goodbye
6. Beautiful Stranger
7. Music
8. Don’t Tell Me
9. Die Another Day
10. American Life
11. Hollywood
12. Hung Up
13. Sorry
14. 4 Minutes
15. Give It 2 Me
16. Celebration (New Track)
17. Revolver (New Track)

GirlBrother said:

I posted this already:P

jiorjios said:

Oops! I didn't realise. Soz!!!

GirlBrother said:

shame on you, not reading through all the pages and not reckognizing the ziollionst tracklist!

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

What?

errant said:

I care. I'm not looking for my own perfect compilation (I highly doubt both "Oh Father" and "Bad Girl" would make it), but I expect it to be competent and reasonable.

Absolutely Mandatory
1. Holiday (1st top-20 hit)
2. Borderline (1st top-10)
3. Lucky Star (1st top-5)
4. Like a Virgin (1st #1)
5. Material Girl
6. Crazy for You
7. Into the Groove
8. Live to Tell
9. Papa Don't Preach
10. Open Your Heart
11. Who's That Girl
12. Like a Prayer
13. Express Yourself
14. Cherish
15. Vogue
16. Justify My Love
17. This Used to Be My Playground
18. Erotica
19. Secret
20. Take a Bow
21. Frozen
22. Ray of Light
23. Beautiful Stranger
24. Music
25. Hung Up
26. 4 Minutes

Highly Recommended
27. Everybody (1st single)
28. Angel (#5, not on The Immaculate Collection)
29. Dress You Up (#5, not on TIC)
30. True Blue (#3, #1 UK, not on TIC)
31. La Isla Bonita (#4, #1 UK)
32. Causing a Commotion (#2, #4 UK, not on TIC)
33. Erotica (#3, #3 UK)
34. Deeper and Deeper (#7, #6 UK)
35. I'll Remember (#2, #7 UK)
36. You'll See (#6, #5 UK)
37. Don't Tell Me (#4, #4 UK)
38. Die Another Day (#8, #3 UK)
39. Sorry (#1 UK)

That's 39 tracks. I can see dropping "Angel" or "Dress You Up" (but not both), but not for any songs other than the ones I listed. As much as I like it, she should drop "Everybody" if this is supposed to be a hits compilation.

Possibilities
40. Gambler (#4 UK, never on a Madonna album)
41. Keep It Together (#8, but completely overshadowed by "Vogue")
42. Rain (#14, #7 UK)
43. The Power of Good-Bye (#11, #6 UK)
44. American Life (#2 UK)

^It's not supposed to be a hit compilation as in "which 34 songs reached the highest peak". I can't understand fans insisting on the likes of "This Used To Be My Playground" when nobody remembers that. It's obvious why she wants all 3 singles of HC included: because they are on TOUR. Also, Erotica will have 1 song at most, Warner knows it's not a selling point.

Unfortunately there are too many fake tracklists around....

graecophilos said:

yes lol

LiveToTell86 said:

This Used To Be My Playground is her best ballad for me. It came from the soundtrack of her most successful movie, it was her 10th number 1 in the states, it spent 20 weeks in the Hot 100. If people don't remember it as much as other ballads is only because she never bothered to perform it live and because everyone started to hate her soon after when Sex was released. But it is one of her best songs.

And by the way if she wants just to put what is on her tour tracklist, she should just re-release Hard Candy
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jiorjios said:

But it was seventeen years ago. The people who are looking for this song are much less than those who would want to get the track she sings as the final song of her current tour.

Also, many of her songs became classics without having the chart record "...Playground" has. I don't think nowadays they would compile a GH solely based on chart history, there are lot more other factors. For example this song is barely played on the radio anymore, was not included on GHV2 and like you said, Madonna never performed it. To me that makes it irrelevant for a double CD set.

LiveToTell86 said:

I still disagree. She needs to include her biggest hits especially those left off GHV2 and TIC otherwise what's the point? And there is plenty of room to include also her 3 singles from HC, and also some fan favourite smaller hits.

jiorjios said:

The hits that were left off TIC and GHV2 are not "needed", in terms of business. Both of those albums are being deleted anyway. The point of this album is that it's a contractual obligation and Warner wants to get a few bucks from it. Contrary to popular belief, they will not release dozens of Madonna compilations in the next years, because there's not much profit left in that.

This album is going to sell on the back of the likes of LAV, ITG, LIB, LAP, Vogue, ROL, Music, HU, 4M the "usual" ones.

And no, there's no room to include 3 HC songs, fan favourite smaller hits AND these big but forgotten hits. It could have been a "for the fans project" but they decided to make it the definitive Madonna GH, with including 2 new songs for the fans.

These are the songs that appear in those official hints:

1. Everybody
2. Holiday
3. Lucky Star
4. Like A Virgin
5. Material Girl
6. Into The Groove
7. Live To Tell
8. Papa Don’t Preach
9. Open Your Heart
10. La Isla Bonita
11. Who's That Girl
12. Like A Prayer
13. Express Yourself
14. Cherish
15. Vogue
16. Justify My Love
17. Erotica
18. Secret
19. Take A Bow
20. You Must Love Me
21. Frozen
22. Ray Of Light
23. Beautiful Stranger
24. Music
25. Don’t Tell Me
26. Die Another Day
27. Hung Up
28. 4 Minutes
29. Miles Away

So, there's only room for 5 songs, to me these are the most likely ones:

Borderline
Crazy For You
Dress You Up
Sorry
Give It 2 Me

jiorjios said:

Agreed. The release of The Holiday Collection was a clear omission that those songs were important IMO. As for GHV2, I think it's reasonable to assume "This Used to Be My Playground" and other hits didn't make it because they were already on Something to Remember. And FWIW, I think it's exactly the type of song someone who buys a 2-disc retrospective of Madonna would appreciate, particularly older fans who remember the movie.

BTW, plenty of people remember that song (and plenty more would like to be reminded of it).
[Edited 8/9/09 6:58am]

AlexdeParis said:

Edited because I included "Erotica" twice

Oops, I meant to edit but I replied
[Edited 8/9/09 7:03am]

AlexdeParis said:

I pretty much agree with your list although I do not consider Open Your Heart or Cherish mandatory. I think La Isla Bonita, You Must Love Me or even Don't Tell Me and Die Another Day are much more important than those two (for different reasons).
[Edited 8/9/09 7:30am]

AlexdeParis said:

Gambler won't make the album because it's owned by Geffen. I doubt WB will license two songs, when one is only remember by Madonna hardcore fans and the other is classic. Angel will not make it on the list either because its bside clearly outshines it, so much so they placed it on the end of the repackaged Like A Virgin. I don't think True Blue, Who's That Girl or Causing Commotion will make any set because they are tied to her relationship to Sean Penn.

LiveToTell86 said:

i've heard the Muzak version of this used to be my playground at many places.

jiorjios said:

If she's doing "songs that changed the world" open your heart has to be included because of the controversy of the video

ehuffnsd said:

I totally understand about "Gambler." I'd be fine with "Angel" not making it if "Dress You Up" does. Sean Penn or not, "Who's That Girl" is essential! I understand that chart performance isn't everything, but I can't stand it when these hits compilations ignore #1 hits (unless they're embarrassing, like her UK #1 "American Pie" or Chuck Berry's "My Ding-A-Ling").

AlexdeParis said:

How Who's That Girl is relevant to the Sean Penn affair?

AlexdeParis said:

or a 50+ woman singing like a virgin? i don't view Who's That Girl as essential. I've never been a big fan of the song. It's like she took La Isla Bonita and Open Your Heart and threw it into a blender.

jiorjios said:

The original name of the movie was Slammer and changed after Sean went to the Slammer.