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Printablegraecophilos said: ehuffnsd said: dude, you are sad. oh, sorry, would "woman" be more appropriate?  you've just proven that you are the twat. it truly makes me sad to see that someone who suffers the same oppression as i and the rest of my gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender brothers and sisters would resort to such elementary school taunts. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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graecophilos said: how can you back up this "man", midnightmover.
I'm not backing anyone up. Your little tiff is way too much fun for me to intervene. I just thought it was a neat phrase. I always like it when I hear someone pinpoint something in concise language. Recently, on the P:M&M forum someone spoke about how he defected from MJ to Prince in 1984 because Prince's "dark, adult world was just too intriguing". That phrase stuck in my mind coz it pinpointed an impression I had myself as a kid looking at this Prince guy who was so different from anything I was used to. What MJ was doing was easy to understand. What P was doing was never meant for everyone to understand. That orger nailed the impression I had quite precisely. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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ehuffnsd said: graecophilos said: oh, sorry, would "woman" be more appropriate? you've just proven that you are the twat. it truly makes me sad to see that someone who suffers the same oppression as i and the rest of my gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender brothers and sisters would resort to such elementary school taunts. it's all revenge and I don't suffer anything. I'm not opressed and if I'd be, I would never fight it with female clothes and lingerie. | |
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midnightmover said: graecophilos said: how can you back up this "man", midnightmover.
I'm not backing anyone up. Your little tiff is way too much fun for me to intervene. I just thought it was a neat phrase. I always like it when I hear someone pinpoint something in concise language. Recently, on the P:M&M forum someone spoke about how he defected from MJ to Prince in 1984 because Prince's "dark, adult world was just too intriguing". That phrase stuck in my mind coz it pinpointed an impression I had myself as a kid looking at this Prince guy who was so different from anything I was used to. What MJ was doing was easy to understand. What P was doing was never meant for everyone to understand. That orger nailed the impression I had quite precisely. I could give you a undred of such catchphrases if we would start speakin German. | |
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graecophilos said: ehuffnsd said: you've just proven that you are the twat. it truly makes me sad to see that someone who suffers the same oppression as i and the rest of my gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender brothers and sisters would resort to such elementary school taunts. it's all revenge and I don't suffer anything. I'm not opressed and if I'd be, I would never fight it with female clothes and lingerie. we all suffer when one suffers. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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graecophilos said: midnightmover said: I'm not backing anyone up. Your little tiff is way too much fun for me to intervene. I just thought it was a neat phrase. I always like it when I hear someone pinpoint something in concise language. Recently, on the P:M&M forum someone spoke about how he defected from MJ to Prince in 1984 because Prince's "dark, adult world was just too intriguing". That phrase stuck in my mind coz it pinpointed an impression I had myself as a kid looking at this Prince guy who was so different from anything I was used to. What MJ was doing was easy to understand. What P was doing was never meant for everyone to understand. That orger nailed the impression I had quite precisely. I could give you a undred of such catchphrases if we would start speakin German. I'm always amazed at how well you bi-lingual people speak English. Even the slang and the colloquialisms you get. I can count from one to ten in French and that's about it. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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VinnyM27 said: midnightmover said: Her music was mediocre from Erotica onwards. She herself was boring throughout the '90s. In the '00s she switched from being boring to suddenly being unbelievably naff and corny. I would never have known it was even possible to be as dorky as she has been over the last decade. And her music shared this journey from competent blandness in the '90s to inept and cringe-worthy naffness in the '00s. But we're mixing separate issues here. The real point was that she is not a good enough songwriter to excel without collaborating with real writers. Her best songs have always been either written entirely by others or written in collaboration with skilled songwriters. Since Erotica she has just written songs over producers' tracks, and the results have been pretty poor. The better songs since then have always been when real songwriters have done the melodies. Some of her fans seem to be aware of this. Others not. This is a bitter Cyndi Lauper fan. That's just about all that needs to be said. As great of a talent as Cyndi is, does her recent dance album, her first studio album in umpteen years, really sound all that much better?  | |
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midnightmover said: graecophilos said: I could give you a undred of such catchphrases if we would start speakin German. I'm always amazed at how well you bi-lingual people speak English. Even the slang and the colloquialisms you get. I can count from one to ten in French and that's about it. English ain't no big deal, I started learning it at school from the age evleven. Nowadays kids learn it in kindergarten. The English and German lamguages are close relevants. To duck means dücken, to wonder "wundern", ground "Grund", house "Haus", angel "Engel". stool even sounds exactly the same "Stuhl", bush "Busch" Plus we inherited many words from eachother. kindergarten, wunderkind, sauerkraut, autobahn, klein, angst, Eisenhower (a smith basically, since a smith beats (hower from German hauen = beat, hit), Blitzkrieg, kindergarten = children's garden [Edited 8/4/09 14:21pm] [Edited 8/4/09 14:22pm] [Edited 8/4/09 14:23pm] | |
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errant said: VinnyM27 said: This is a bitter Cyndi Lauper fan. That's just about all that needs to be said. As great of a talent as Cyndi is, does her recent dance album, her first studio album in umpteen years, really sound all that much better? Well yes, the wit and invention of that post really did merit such an ecstatic response. 
Still, it's good that you Madonna fans stick together.  “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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ehuffnsd said: jiorjios said: It's great when we see real debate on the forums sorry it's carry over hostility i have with him over his comments about the word fag and his basic lack of understanding of the word, because he isn't native American English speaker and lack of willingness to understand the role drag has played and continues to play in the gay rights movement. I'm with you on that one although my knowledge on drag and the gay rights movement stops on the Stonewall incident. | |
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midnightmover said: errant said: Well yes, the wit and invention of that post really did merit such an ecstatic response.
Still, it's good that you Madonna fans stick together. ran out of things to say, I see. it's okay. there's a simple solution to that: just stop talking
hell, I even agree with some of what you're saying, but you're transparent. | |
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errant said: midnightmover said: Well yes, the wit and invention of that post really did merit such an ecstatic response.
Still, it's good that you Madonna fans stick together. ran out of things to say, I see. it's okay. there's a simple solution to that: just stop talking
hell, I even agree with some of what you're saying, but you're transparent. Sorry dude, but you're deluded if you think I diss Madonna simply because I like Cyndi. Like I've already told you guys, I strongly disliked Madonna long before I really got into Cyndi. I'm not a fan of tasteless fakes using music as a stepping stone. I didn't need Cyndi to show me that. 
The fact that you guys can't conceive that someone could diss Madonna simply for artistic reasons just shows what a shallow and petty bunch of queens you are (but then that was already apparent anyway). Newsflash. I'm into ART! Performance and composition. That's all it's about for me. I recognize a trespasser when I see one and Madonna is the very definition of that. She disrespects art by presuming that she can hang with the real practitioners. The fact that she thinks she's a film director and an author is a clear example of that. None of this has anything to do with Cyndi Lauper. I don't do petty fan rivalries. I leave that to shallow folks like your good selves. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: errant said: ran out of things to say, I see. it's okay. there's a simple solution to that: just stop talking
hell, I even agree with some of what you're saying, but you're transparent. Sorry dude, but you're deluded if you think I diss Madonna simply because I like Cyndi. Like I've already told you guys, I strongly disliked Madonna long before I really got into Cyndi. I'm not a fan of tasteless fakes using music as a stepping stone. I didn't need Cyndi to show me that.
The fact that you guys can't conceive that someone could diss Madonna simply for artistic reasons just shows what a shallow and petty bunch of queens you are (but then that was already apparent anyway). Newsflash. I'm into ART! Performance and composition. That's all it's about for me. I recognize a trespasser when I see one and Madonna is the very definition of that. She disrespects art by presuming that she can hang with the real practitioners. The fact that she thinks she's a film director and an author is a clear example of that. None of this has anything to do with Cyndi Lauper. I don't do petty fan rivalries. I leave that to shallow folks like your good selves. art, haha. Then I could argue unless you listen to Mozart, Beethoven or Bach you never listened to music from REAL musicians. everything is relevant. whoever you're favorite artist is, I bet there would be millions who think he's lousy compared to the classical giants. | |
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graecophilos said: midnightmover said: Sorry dude, but you're deluded if you think I diss Madonna simply because I like Cyndi. Like I've already told you guys, I strongly disliked Madonna long before I really got into Cyndi. I'm not a fan of tasteless fakes using music as a stepping stone. I didn't need Cyndi to show me that.
The fact that you guys can't conceive that someone could diss Madonna simply for artistic reasons just shows what a shallow and petty bunch of queens you are (but then that was already apparent anyway). Newsflash. I'm into ART! Performance and composition. That's all it's about for me. I recognize a trespasser when I see one and Madonna is the very definition of that. She disrespects art by presuming that she can hang with the real practitioners. The fact that she thinks she's a film director and an author is a clear example of that. None of this has anything to do with Cyndi Lauper. I don't do petty fan rivalries. I leave that to shallow folks like your good selves. art, haha. Then I could argue unless you listen to Mozart, Beethoven or Bach you never listened to music from REAL musicians. everything is relevant. whoever you're favorite artist is, I bet there would be millions who think he's lousy compared to the classical giants. Maybe they'd be right, but that's comparing people from completely different worlds. I would never do that. A fake is a fake. Madonna's awful lyrics are shit whatever you compare them with. Her bad acting onstage (when she tries to "emote" during ballads for instance) is simply embarrassing to a person of taste. I could go on, but is Madonna really worth it? Not really. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: graecophilos said: art, haha. Then I could argue unless you listen to Mozart, Beethoven or Bach you never listened to music from REAL musicians. everything is relevant. whoever you're favorite artist is, I bet there would be millions who think he's lousy compared to the classical giants. Maybe they'd be right, but that's comparing people from completely different worlds. I would never do that. A fake is a fake. Madonna's awful lyrics are shit whatever you compare them with. Her bad acting onstage (when she tries to "emote" during ballads for instance) is simply embarrassing to a person of taste. I could go on, but is Madonna really worth it? Not really. her lyrics are no poems, but you seem to underestimate the strong little messages like Express yourself, don't repress yourself it's not the game it's how you play time goes by so slowly for those who wait if you wanna go higher get closer to the fire i'm not afraid of what I'll face but I'm a fraid to stay basically her stealing paraphrases and using them for her songs. that's her strength. | |
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SoulAlive said: midnightmover said: This has nothing to do with Cyndi Lauper. I only really rediscovered Cyndi in late 2003 and my feelings about Madonna started before then. Around about when American Life was released. I'd tuned out from her years earlier, but only then did it hit me just what a boil on the butt hole of music she really was. Oh stop lying Everyone knows that you're just a bitter Cyndi Lauper fan.You never got over the fact that Madonna surpassed her decades ago.Get over it,even Cyndi is a Madonna fan,lol.
I love how you pop up in every Janet,Madonna and MJ thread,trying to piss off the fans of that artist.Your game is tired.  | |
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SoulAlive said: jiorjios said: What? Justify My Love is a great song (even if it is mostly spoken) and Rescue Me is great too. OK it sounds a bit similar to Vogue but so did most of her next studio album Erotica. "Rescue Me" is unispired filler."Justify My Love" is interesting and I did like it at the time but looking back,it's not even much of a song Madonna didn't put alot of effort into those songs.I think that she only feels inspired/motivated when she's doing an actual album,and not just a few new songs tacked onto the end of a compilation.What about Something to Remember? "You'll See" and "I Want You" are fantastic! Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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graecophilos said: midnightmover said: I'm always amazed at how well you bi-lingual people speak English. Even the slang and the colloquialisms you get. I can count from one to ten in French and that's about it. English ain't no big deal, I started learning it at school from the age evleven. Nowadays kids learn it in kindergarten. The English and German lamguages are close relevants. To duck means dücken, to wonder "wundern", ground "Grund", house "Haus", angel "Engel". stool even sounds exactly the same "Stuhl", bush "Busch" Plus we inherited many words from eachother. kindergarten, wunderkind, sauerkraut, autobahn, klein, angst, Eisenhower (a smith basically, since a smith beats (hower from German hauen = beat, hit), Blitzkrieg, kindergarten = children's garden [Edited 8/4/09 14:21pm] [Edited 8/4/09 14:22pm] [Edited 8/4/09 14:23pm] it's because German and English are from the family of languages, the Germanic branch of the IndoEuropean Languages. English Grammar is German in structure but the overwhelming amount of English vocabulary is Latin, French or Greek. Though Eisenhower is a name not necessary a word that used in common day to day speak. The whole last list are modern loanwords more than anything. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: graecophilos said: oh, sorry, would "woman" be more appropriate? you've just proven that you are the twat. it truly makes me sad to see that someone who suffers the same oppression as i and the rest of my gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender brothers and sisters would resort to such elementary school taunts. sorry to interrupt. I was just wandering if graecophilos is a gay man who is against drag or trans? thats what i got from it [Edited 8/4/09 16:29pm] | |
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Moonbeam said: SoulAlive said: "Rescue Me" is unispired filler."Justify My Love" is interesting and I did like it at the time but looking back,it's not even much of a song Madonna didn't put alot of effort into those songs.I think that she only feels inspired/motivated when she's doing an actual album,and not just a few new songs tacked onto the end of a compilation.What about Something to Remember? "You'll See" and "I Want You" are fantastic! Well, "You'll See" is...  "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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LightOfArt said: ehuffnsd said: you've just proven that you are the twat. it truly makes me sad to see that someone who suffers the same oppression as i and the rest of my gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender brothers and sisters would resort to such elementary school taunts. sorry to interrupt. I was just wandering if graecophilos is a gay man who is against drag or trans? thats what i got from it [Edited 8/4/09 16:29pm] yes it all starts here fag is deprecatingly. I think as long as people like the SS get publicity, people who dress literally GAY (colourful etc...) and act effeminate the general public and especially not the homophobes will ever be able to accept gays. I think just because you're gay you don't have to act in such a disgraceful way. You can still be act normal and not wound up. http://prince.org/msg/105/312755?&pg=7 it's downhill from there. quite sad if you ask me. I know fag is a bad word and okay, I'll replace fag with camp I still think it's awful when gays act like they're women. There's no need for this.
And the fuckin' CSD is rubbish and doesn't remind people of how bad gays were threated as long as some crazy ass gays let their balls hang out and act like every gay cliche of the world would expect them to. It's that effeminate behaviour most homophobes hate. This gay pride crap doesn*'t take the gay acceptance far. There's a lack of decent role models, George Michael would be a good one. Double nos!
It was in a park's public toilet and he just wanted to wank, okay? And finding effeminate behaviour silly does not mean I'm homophobic. Did I say anything bout their feelings? I just am gainst that behaviour. It will do nothing for tolerance and stuff. People will accept gays more if they realize that they can be ordinary guys as well. Most homophobes just can't handle the effeminate behaviour. also, are you trying to suggest that just because someone's gay he has to act effeminate? I find that's because most gay teens don't have role models so many of them stick to girls and copy their behaviour but it's stupid though. As said before, if more people in good positions would be openly gay young gays would have good role models. But so they only see those crazy effeminate gays on telly or girls... Just because you're gay and think it's cooler to act macho this doesn't mean you're suffering of internal homophobia. Because most of the ones really out there are militant and may even practice signs of heterophobia, and promote themselves as separatist rebels, they push camp homosexuality down peoples throats (I mean Carson always makes camp and bitchy remarks and tries to come onto straight men), and I think they are poor role models for the 85% of gays not so inclined, no doubt I am going to have some flamer who objects to my comments, I mean why do gay guys even have to come out in public, straight people don't declare their sexuality in parades and shit, why should we.
They are to gays, what Lil Jon, Lil Wayne and 16 year old unemployed welfare ho mothers with names like Shanquiqui latomika Washington are to black people. The thing is, you easily get stamped conservative or even homophobic the moment you dare to say you don't like this effeminate (i.e. "fag") behaviour. [Edited 8/4/09 16:39pm] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Moonbeam said: SoulAlive said: "Rescue Me" is unispired filler."Justify My Love" is interesting and I did like it at the time but looking back,it's not even much of a song Madonna didn't put alot of effort into those songs.I think that she only feels inspired/motivated when she's doing an actual album,and not just a few new songs tacked onto the end of a compilation.What about Something to Remember? "You'll See" and "I Want You" are fantastic! she should have stopped at those. don't forget One More Chance is dire and there's a completely unnecessry second version of I Want You taking up space that Bad Girl and The Look Of Love should have occupied. | |
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errant said: Moonbeam said: What about Something to Remember? "You'll See" and "I Want You" are fantastic! she should have stopped at those. don't forget One More Chance is dire and there's a completely unnecessry second version of I Want You taking up space that Bad Girl and The Look Of Love should have occupied.I Want You is a great track! You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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errant said: Moonbeam said: What about Something to Remember? "You'll See" and "I Want You" are fantastic! she should have stopped at those. don't forget One More Chance is dire and there's a completely unnecessry second version of I Want You taking up space that Bad Girl and The Look Of Love should have occupied.This is true! I also quite like "Justify My Love". My point is that not all of her bonus songs are trash. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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Moonbeam said: errant said: she should have stopped at those. don't forget One More Chance is dire and there's a completely unnecessry second version of I Want You taking up space that Bad Girl and The Look Of Love should have occupied.This is true! I also quite like "Justify My Love". My point is that not all of her bonus songs are trash. oh, I agree! and I like Rescue Me. and I Want You and You'll See. I like Spotlight too (though I'm not going to go so far as SoulAlive and keep wishing for it to show up on a setlist ). | |
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ehuffnsd said: errant said: she should have stopped at those. don't forget One More Chance is dire and there's a completely unnecessry second version of I Want You taking up space that Bad Girl and The Look Of Love should have occupied.I Want You is a great track! did I say it wasn't? | |
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errant said: ehuffnsd said: I Want You is a great track! did I say it wasn't? yeah but i'm glad we got it, because it didn't appear on the Marvin Gaye Tribute album like it was supposed to, so if it wasn't put on Something To Remember we'd never have it to admire. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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midnightmover said: VinnyM27 said: Yes. Madonna is the boil, not the snitty obsessed Cyndi fans that feel the need to wax philosophical about how awful she is. She must be doing something right in order to get you all upset over a thread about her upcoming hits set. LOL, I'm not upset at all. It's just fun once in a while to drop a dose of reality into these crazy fan get-togethers. Madonna is not someone I pay much attention to these days. Oh, I just found something positive to say about her. Some plastic surgeon finally put her face right. Last year she looked like she had two icecubes stuffed into her cheeks. Now her face is looking similar to how it did in the early '90s. I hate to say it but I probably would..... It's been a long time since I've been able to say that about Madonna. Just enough attention to waste some precious minutes out of your highly cultured existence to post your thoughts about her on the org. We all appreciate it. Its always nice to hear the opinions of true art lovers. Btw, when will you get round to reconciling this whole "ART love" with your "Cyndi love". Dont get me wrong....i love Cyndi, but she's no more "ART" than Celine Dion is. [Edited 8/4/09 17:02pm] | |
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ehuffnsd said: errant said: did I say it wasn't? yeah but i'm glad we got it, because it didn't appear on the Marvin Gaye Tribute album like it was supposed to, so if it wasn't put on Something To Remember we'd never have it to admire. it was on the Marvin Gaye tribute. | |
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ehuffnsd said: errant said: did I say it wasn't? yeah but i'm glad we got it, because it didn't appear on the Marvin Gaye Tribute album like it was supposed to, so if it wasn't put on Something To Remember we'd never have it to admire. He's saying that we don't need 2 versions of "I Want You" on the album when there were great ballads left off of it. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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