VoicesCarry said:

ater 3 listens in the car today, it's official. i hate it. this is down there with Ring My Bell

errant said:

I think that Madonna has realized that music is no longer her bread and butter. It's touring. She's going to keep releasing stuff but it's not going to be her primary focus anymore, artistically.

come on, it's just a song for a best of.

I'm sure she did have as much influence on the song as on Live To Tell or Oh Father. Songs where she even admitted to not have written the music.

She just did with Celebration what she always does: Asks a producer to come up with tracks, so she can write lyrics to it.

And to say music is not her main way to express herslef artistically is totally wrong.

1.) HC is great, 2.) she never said music was her real love. There are early interviews in which she admits to just use her music as a jump board into film biz.
3.) in 2003 she called herself "performance artist", so basically even then set the focus more on performing than on music?

After all, C is not that bad. And at least she gave us something new. Kylie did record a song called Celebration for her GH as well - the K&TG one.

graecophilos said:

if that's how she's going to handle her business, maybe she should go to a SONGWRITER first, and THEN hit up the producer. this has been a problem with a lot of her post-ROL work - barely-there melodies, sung in that thing boring technically proficient but charmless voice with lazy lyrics.

errant said:

I agree, she should work with songwriters again. Paul Oakenfold certainly ain't one.

ROL is a good example of how she could do her future music. Take a producer but also someone like Pat Leonard. His songs can be produced by someone else, but just the songs need to be written by someone who can write great songs.

On ROL the greatest songs were by Pat Leonard, Rick Nowels and the title which is a re-write og an 70s songs.

In fact, Erotica is the first example of how the quality of her music lacks when she focuses on a producer rather than a songwriter.

BS was okay, because the guys she worked with could write songs.

But the Music album has so many fillers, just because of the two great ones and the experimental feel it's halfway good.

Heard "Celebration". It's alright. It sounds very much like 90s house. It does it's job in the sense that it's a club jam that'll go good with your average raver and gay club kid. I don't think Madonna was aiming to prove a whole lot with this track(especially that it's a track on a GH set), so just take it for what it is and enjoy it.

That said, I don't know if it'll be a big Top 40 hit. It's too clubbish, which doesn't really fit well in a format where urban beats dominate. It'll hit really good on Dance Radio and in clubs, for sure. But outside of that, I doubt it. Still, I'd give it a good rating.

tritoncin said:

The missing videos are (excluding songs which didn't really have a video but just footage from older videos or live performances or just a straight cut from a movie)

1.Burning Up (available in the 'Madonna' VHS single)
2.Holiday (the video was never released officially but can be seen in YouTube)
3.Crazy For You (made entirely from scenes from 'A Vision Quest')
4.Into The Groove (made entirely from scenes from 'Desperately Seeking Susan')
5.The Gambler (made entirely from scenes from 'A Vision Quest')
6.Live To Tell
7.True Blue
8.True Blue (version without Madonna in it/never saw it, is it available on YouTube?)
9.Who's That Girl
10.The Look Of Love (made entirely from scenes from 'Who's That Girl')
11.Dear Jessie (Madonna does not appear in it)
12.Justify My Love (available as a VHS single)
13.This Used To Be My Playground (available in the 'A League Of Their Own' DVD)
14.Erotica
15.Deeper And Deeper
16.I'll Remember
17.I Want You (with Massive Attack)
18.You'll See
19.You Must Love Me (available in the 'Evita' DVD)
20.American Pie (available in 'The Next Best Thing' DVD)
21.Music (available as a DVD single)
22.Don't Tell Me
23.What It Feels Like For A Girl (available as a DVD single)
24.What It Feels Like For A Girl (cartoon version/available in the 'Drowned World Tour' DVD/Madonna does not appear in it)
25.Paradise (Not For Me) (available in the 'Drowned World Tour'DVD)
26.Die Another Day (available in the 'Die Another Day' DVD)
27.American Life
28.American Life (flag version)
29.Hollywood
30.Me Against The Music (with Britney Spears/available in the Britney DVDs 'In The Zone' & 'My Prerogative')
31.Love Profusion
32.Bedtime Story (Re-Invention Tour version)
33,Hung Up
34.Sorry
35.Get Together
36.Jump
37.Hey You (Madonna doesn't appear in the video)
38.Sing (the Annie Lennox song/Madonna does sing one verse but she doesn't appear in the video)
39.4 Minutes (feat. Justin Timberlake & Timbaland)
40.Give It To Me
41.Miles Away
42.Die Another Day (Sticky And Sweet Tour version)

Not sure if Jellybean's Sidewalk Talk had a video with or without Madonna.If I forgot something please correct me
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jiorjios said:

sure she does. there are just a lot of cartoony graphics effects on her

errant said:

OK I corrected it. I wasn't actually sure if that counts as appearing but I love that video anyway (not a big fan of the song itself)

graecophilos said:

Not to me.



LOL, well clearly that worked out well. Music is her career. I just do NOT see her having the same passion for it, anymore. Touring is going to be her primary focus, especially with her new LiveNation contract.



She's called herself an actress, too, so I really don't think we should go by one- or two-word monikers defining her entire career.



Again, it's a matter of opinion. I think Celebration is crap. She really phoned this one in.

Not sure what a Kylie cover from nearly 20 years ago has to do with it.
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newskin69 said:

It will do decently in Europe, where her core audience seems to be anyway. Anyways it seems to be getting a positive reception so far; i think it should fair decently. And if it doesn't who cares, it's good throwaway fun. Madonna's always best when she's not being pretentious, i don't see this being beneath her at all.

graecophilos said:

"Miles Away"? Seriously?! If that shit gets in ahead of "Burning Up", I'll be very disappointed!

And count me in with the group who loves "Dear Jessie". It's among my top 10 Madonna songs.

And I see we're down to 34 tracks now, 2 of which being new. What's the point? The more I hear about this compilation, the less I like it.

Moonbeam said:

34 of the songs are classic and there will be 2 new tracks for a total of 36 tracks.

jayaredee said:

That's a little better, but what about the 40 tracks that were reported?

Moonbeam said:

Not happening I guess. Seriously, just remaster the albums, i'll buy those instead

The dvd set is going to be 2 dvds totalling 180 minutes. According to amazon specs at least. I wonder if that will cover her entire video catalogue. Everyone's holding out for the tour videos too i.e. Paradise, Bedtime Story, Die Another Day

VoicesCarry said:

isn't Kylie the QUEEN of singing songs with the same title as other songs that have absolutely no relation?
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Moonbeam said:

yeah, I doubt this is the last compilation we'll be seeing of the Warner Bros. material. they'll work something out to milk her back catalog for years to come.

ideally, a comprehensive singles collection or re-issue would be nice, with all of the edits and remixes, b-sides, etc.

i won't settle for less

errant said:

She's up there! She even pulled a "Forbidden Love" by having 2 songs called "Love At First Sight".

errant said:

Me neither. I might actually just buy the singles if the tracklist disappoints as I fear it may.

errant said:

I'm thinking of making my own set. I think it'll be 5 discs as I'm going to include promo singles, etc. Mind sending me your tracklist with track times?

Moonbeam said:

4 discs includes the promo singles. i'll post it here when i'm not completely polluted

Moonbeam said:

what about them? that was a rumour?! There's only so much space on a CD.

jiorjios said:

Probably not - because it's so 'cute', I think people tend to overlook it. That, and the picture of Madonna wearing Minnie Mouse ears.

But it's a great little song - I've always loved it.

jayaredee said:

Ditto - on ALL points.

errant said:

I love the fact that the music geek in you HAS to put it on your compilations, even though you detest it.

onenitealone said:

I like that pic even though it looked weird for a single cover. It is more like a picture taken for a magazine photoshoot like the ones around 1986-1987 with that teddy bear.

VinnyM27 said:

Me too! Just the general reaction of most fans is . I can see why they think it's too saccharine and schmaltzy but I like it. We're in a minority.

onenitealone said:

I can't say I hate it but it's definitely not among Prince's best moments. But hey he has done much worse that that (New Power Generation?)

jiorjios said:

I think it's cute as hell.

Again, I think the reason most fans dislike that image/song is because she's goofing around and showing her fun side. People want her to be a ball-breaking sex siren 24/7.


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[Edited 8/2/09 6:17am]