Timmy84 said:

that girl is bad I think i've just found one of my favorite new singers, and together with that quantic orchestra thanks timmy

vainandy said:

Different taste, same cause!

Sandino said:

You're welcome, man!

TIMMMMMY !! never heard of KINNY ! THIS IS MY KINDA GROOVE !

each one teach one and TIMMY is the professor ! schools in .... I got homework

to do

MrSoulpower said:

Without question, horn-driven funk is THE best funk. And most of the New Funk bands are doing a good job with that formula.

But when it comes to the kind of funk that I listen to the most often, it's still synth-driven funk.

utopia7 said:

@Tony, I love synth driven funk too but I DO love the horn-driven funk. Nothin' like it, horns or synths, I like either with my funk be it JB, P-Funk, funk rock, fuck ever.

TonyVanDam said:

And that's cool, if that's what you like. We're not trying to limit the definition of Funk here, quite to the contrary. Because a lot of people in this forum seem to dis the early, raw and horn driven Funk, acting like later Funk and synth Funk is the only truly great Funk, and that's utter B.S. Maybe it's because this is a Prince site, and many folks are into the 80s sound.

A lot of people here seem to be completely ignorant of early Funk and the whole worldwide movement connected to this sound. I'm not saying at all that you are. The other day, I posted a thread with examples of rare Funk 45s, and he said "that sounds like Blues".

MrSoulpower said:

seriously?

MrSoulpower said:

When did this happen?

Well, I'm more into funk from the late 70s and early 80s. Probably from around 1976-1984. But after 1984, there was still a lot of funk around but it wasn't as strong sounding as funk before 1985. Most of the funk from the late 80s was synth heavy such as Ready For The World, Madame X, Jody Watley, Janet Jackson, etc. and yes it was very heavily influenced by Prince. That may be the favorite type of funk for a lot of people around here, especially those a few years younger than me, and the fact that this is a Prince site. But my favorite funk is before the late 80s and Prince was just one of many acts with total different styles of their own. In the early 80s, Prince was a major player on the funk scene but the whole scene didn't revolve around his sound like it did in the late 80 (the little bit of funk that was left).

As for the horns and things, the funk I love has horns in it....Rick James, Cameo, The Barkays, Con Funk Shun, Brick, etc. The horns just aren't completely all over the songs like they were in the early 70s. In other words, the sound didn't sound near as much like jazz as it did in the early 70s and that's what I like about it. The tempo was more faster and danceable also. The songs of the late 70s/early80s were mixed with the traditional instruments as well as some newer modern ones. Now, as for the late 80s, that's another story. Those songs seemed to get rid of all traditional instruments and that made them sound weaker because you need those real drums and bass to give the songs strength. Drum machines are cool too but they have to be mixed with real drums for strength. But as for the early 70s, most of those songs do sound more raw to me and I guess the best word to describe it would be, they sound "primitive" to my ears almost like they were still bleeding off of the 60s style. When it comes to early 70s funk though, my absolute favorite would be "Soul Makassa" by Manu Dibango. It's got horns in it but it sounds like straight up, down and dirty, ass shakin' funk and doesn't sound anything like jazz to me. See, it's not the presence of horns, it's how they are used. And the less something sounds like jazz to me, the better. I'm not trying to shit on the music or anything, I'm just telling you what I like. And I notice that a lot of people complain about Prince's use of the horns lately. I don't think they dislike horns, it's more that they dislike him using them in a way that sounds like jazz or "Las Vagasy". We just come from a generation that wasn't into jazz.




Who me? I didn't say blues, I said "bluesy". I'll put it this way....it sure as hell didn't sound like no Con Funk Shun, Brick, or Lakeside.
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FuNkeNsteiN said:

Flow Festival in Helsinki, August 2005, if I remember correctly.

vainandy said:[quote]

Yeah, I figured that this is more your sound. And that's cool, of course. I got lots of mid- to late 1970s Funk, and there is some really good stuff. It's just that some people here are trying to reduce Funk to this era. Interestingly, there were many, many more Funk bands in the earlier days, and the majority of Funk records were recorded and released between 1967 and 1973. Those are the so called magic years of Funk.

I like Funk the dirty way, that's where the music got its name from. Funk isn't about clean and polished production, it's about raw and energetic sounds. When the mainstream picked up on Funk, that's when Funk lost its edge. There were still some great records coming out in those later years, I just don't find them very interesting.

And these new Funk bands that we were discussing over the past days, they went back to Funk's original sound of the early years.
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vainandy said:

I wasn't referring to you. I'm sorry if that's how you read it.
Have you ever heard some early Con Funk Shun? Like Mr. Tamborine? Now that's something I can feel.

No, the earliest I've probably heard would be "Ffun" or "Shake And Dance With Me". I only have one of their full albums, "Touch" from 1980, a few 45s and 12 Inches, and a "Best Of" CD.

vainandy said:

Con Funk Shun were formed as early as 1969, but I know little about their earliest releases. Mr Tamborine Man is definitely the earliest one that I got, released in 1974. That may be very early for you, but I think you'd still like it. I think it's much better than any of their later material. It always packs every dancefloor.


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Kool 'n' the Gang go back to around 1964 under a different name but they began recording as Kool... in '69.

Timmy84 said:

They started off in 1964 as The Jazziacs and changed their name in 1969, when they signed with De-Lite Records.

MrSoulpower said:

You comin' back any time soon?

FuNkeNsteiN said:

Dunno. I was there as DJ for Marva Whitney, and we had a not-so-nice experience with the promoter. Originally, he booked Gwen McCrae from us, but Gwen fell sick three days before the festival, so we brought in Marva. Certain issues related to this incident lead to a dispute and I think I won't be welcome to play at Flow anytime soon.

MrSoulpower said:

Right. And what's more important is that a major element in some funk was JAZZ (that's why we had fusion in the '70s). But Kool's roots were in the jazz realm more than the soul realm.

Timmy84 said:

You can definitely hear that in their live albums, especially Live at P.J.'s.

MrSoulpower said:

Right. It just humors me how with one drastic change for, I think 10, 11 years, they became this pop group. Now they're back doing what they used to do pre-J.T. though they still performed those songs in concert. Gives them variety, I guess.

MrSoulpower said:

There are also vault-recordings from 1972-1973 which were released later in 1980 on the album Memphis Sessions (51 West Records) :



A1 - Con-Funk-Shun - Con-Funk-Shun (1:02) (written by : Con-Funk-Shun)
A2 - 7:15 Funk (Do It For Yourself) (7:15) (written by : Con-Funk-Shun)
A3 - Lonesome Highway (3:23) (written by : LaVorn Smith)
A4 - Another World (4:38) (written by : Felton C. Pilate II)
B1 - The Way It Should Be (Felton's Song) (3:05) (written by : Felton C. Pilate II)
B2 - You Shure Love To Ball (4:55) (writte by : Marvin Gaye)
B3 - Without Your Love (4:12) (written by : Con-Funk-Shun)
B4 - Discovery (3:37) (written by : Con-Funk-Shun)

"Con-Funk-Shun - The Essence of Dignity..." a direct quote from Ted Sturges (the first producer of Con-Funk-Shun for
3 years at Audio Dimensions Studios in Memphis, Tennessee). I was privileged to meet both Ted and Con-Funk-Shun
in 1972 just prior to Crankshaft Productions, Inc. first sessions with Con-Funk-Shun. There is a special magic about these
recordings, unique only to Memphis. For this truly "Memphis Music" of Con-Funk-Shun will soon be heard around the world.
From the beginning Ted and Con-Funk-Shun were "Perfectionists"-literally hundreds of hours went into the production of this music...for you the listener.
Con-Funk-Shun has now attained Superstar Status as both Ted and I knew they would.
This album is dedicated to Memphis, Tennessee and its beautiful people."

http://www.discogs.com/Co...se/1612764

http://cgi.ebay.it/FUNK-S...0367679393

http://www.facerecords.co...s_id/19107

I'm definitely one of the few keeping it alive:

http://vids.myspace.com/i...d=46176364

The only time I hear funkiness regularly is the West Coast hip hop scene.
I know it was around in the 90s, but there is some serious funky stuff now, too!

Producers such as Battlecat, DJ Quik, Meech Wells, Fredwreck

Here is one track with Suga Free, Kokane and George Clinton.

http://www.imeem.com/peop...next-shit/

Where's Funk? Here's Funk


http://www.youtube.com/wa...HwcaNOOtUM

http://www.youtube.com/wa...h16NFV_1Zk


http://www.youtube.com/wa...r61hUCRF8E
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