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Printableunique said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: it's not really the tabloids...it's the fact that people act like it is the gospel truth. You won't believe how many people believed that rumour about Rhianna having a std after the whole Chris Brown incident. nothing i've posted has been taken from tabloids. absolutely nothing at all. i've just cut and pasted from websites and given the direct links to the articles these days most newspapers are tabloids, at least they are in the UK, the times, the guardian, the most respected newspapers are all tabloids now, they stopped being printed as broadsheets years ago and who believes these articles are gospel? any idiot can smell the shit, it's just that there is usually no smoke without a fire, and regardless of the truth in a story, it's amusing when the bizarre articles are printed remember this, michael jackson was a child star, he could sing and dance pretty good for a kid, he got lucky and and got big with thriller, and then fucked up real bad and pissed it all away, starting with captain eo, and moonwalker and neverland, and then all his child abuse cases, his plastic surgery, change of skin colour, and financial fuckups. he was a pop star, but hasn't released nothing in a long time, or performed in a long time. he isn't Gandhi or JFK or even obama. he's not someone who is involved in a serious business or has done something worthy for the planet or humanity, he just sang a few songs and danced a bit, and did a bunch of weird shit that attracted a lot of celebrity gossip. if it wasn't for the weird stories and his child abuse cases he would have faded away like marvin gaye, al green, stevie wonder, etc, people who were great, but the kids these days wouldn't know who they were. these stories are what keeps his memory alive, in an ironic fucked up way. you kill the stories and you kill his memory. he wouldn't have sold so many tickets to the o2 if it wasn't for these stories. as many people have said before, he even spread some of these stories himself, as many other celebretards and publishits keep on doing these days. no news is bad news if someone involved with multiple child abuse cases can keep on selling concert tickets. if hitler was still alive he'd be raking in the benjamins let me ask you a question , are you white? | |
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Looks like a school pic. So cute!!!!! mj was definetly the cutest boy in that class 
i don't know why people are saying he too skinny. he's always been a bag of bones [Edited 6/17/09 12:06pm] | |
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unbelievable that someone though this was mj 
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: unique said: nothing i've posted has been taken from tabloids. absolutely nothing at all. i've just cut and pasted from websites and given the direct links to the articles these days most newspapers are tabloids, at least they are in the UK, the times, the guardian, the most respected newspapers are all tabloids now, they stopped being printed as broadsheets years ago and who believes these articles are gospel? any idiot can smell the shit, it's just that there is usually no smoke without a fire, and regardless of the truth in a story, it's amusing when the bizarre articles are printed remember this, michael jackson was a child star, he could sing and dance pretty good for a kid, he got lucky and and got big with thriller, and then fucked up real bad and pissed it all away, starting with captain eo, and moonwalker and neverland, and then all his child abuse cases, his plastic surgery, change of skin colour, and financial fuckups. he was a pop star, but hasn't released nothing in a long time, or performed in a long time. he isn't Gandhi or JFK or even obama. he's not someone who is involved in a serious business or has done something worthy for the planet or humanity, he just sang a few songs and danced a bit, and did a bunch of weird shit that attracted a lot of celebrity gossip. if it wasn't for the weird stories and his child abuse cases he would have faded away like marvin gaye, al green, stevie wonder, etc, people who were great, but the kids these days wouldn't know who they were. these stories are what keeps his memory alive, in an ironic fucked up way. you kill the stories and you kill his memory. he wouldn't have sold so many tickets to the o2 if it wasn't for these stories. as many people have said before, he even spread some of these stories himself, as many other celebretards and publishits keep on doing these days. no news is bad news if someone involved with multiple child abuse cases can keep on selling concert tickets. if hitler was still alive he'd be raking in the benjamins let me ask you a question , are you white? what kind of racist question is that? what the fuck does the colour of someones skin have to do with what they think or say? | |
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unique said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: let me ask you a question , are you white? what kind of racist question is that? what the fuck does the colour of someones skin have to do with what they think or say? answer the question | |
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[Edited 6/17/09 12:30pm] Janet was so adorable in that pic. A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconciously translates what he hears into something he can understand. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: unique said: nothing i've posted has been taken from tabloids. absolutely nothing at all. i've just cut and pasted from websites and given the direct links to the articles these days most newspapers are tabloids, at least they are in the UK, the times, the guardian, the most respected newspapers are all tabloids now, they stopped being printed as broadsheets years ago and who believes these articles are gospel? any idiot can smell the shit, it's just that there is usually no smoke without a fire, and regardless of the truth in a story, it's amusing when the bizarre articles are printed remember this, michael jackson was a child star, he could sing and dance pretty good for a kid, he got lucky and and got big with thriller, and then fucked up real bad and pissed it all away, starting with captain eo, and moonwalker and neverland, and then all his child abuse cases, his plastic surgery, change of skin colour, and financial fuckups. he was a pop star, but hasn't released nothing in a long time, or performed in a long time. he isn't Gandhi or JFK or even obama. he's not someone who is involved in a serious business or has done something worthy for the planet or humanity, he just sang a few songs and danced a bit, and did a bunch of weird shit that attracted a lot of celebrity gossip. if it wasn't for the weird stories and his child abuse cases he would have faded away like marvin gaye, al green, stevie wonder, etc, people who were great, but the kids these days wouldn't know who they were. these stories are what keeps his memory alive, in an ironic fucked up way. you kill the stories and you kill his memory. he wouldn't have sold so many tickets to the o2 if it wasn't for these stories. as many people have said before, he even spread some of these stories himself, as many other celebretards and publishits keep on doing these days. no news is bad news if someone involved with multiple child abuse cases can keep on selling concert tickets. if hitler was still alive he'd be raking in the benjamins let me ask you a question , are you white? 
That quote right that shows a little you know on this subject. I'm not implying that you are stupid because on other topics with music, you are quite knowledgable. But that fact that you say that he sang a few songs and danced a bit really makes me shake my head. The reason why Michael is so famous is because of his talent. Yes, the crazy rumours have taken over when it comes to talking about him now adays but his incredible talent is what made him a megastar. Even with plastic surgery and skin diease, his music/talent was still at the forefront when it came to talking about him...way up until the first allegations. And considering that you grew up during this time, you should know. Michael became one of the first cross over artists being one of the first black artists on MTV. He opened many doors for black artists as well as Prince did. He was the first one to have dancing in his videos as well as line dancing in his video. He changed the whole game with mtv with his music videos or short films I should say. Every new music video of his was an event. Or how about the countless music awards he has won or humanitrian awards or various charities that he has donated money to. So please, he is not someone who just danced a bit and sang a few songs. 
I can remember you made a comment about Jay Leno and how Michael is a joke. He still may be a joke to White America but he is still respected and given due credit by the black community and the music industry as a whole. [Edited 6/17/09 13:12pm] | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: unique said: what kind of racist question is that? what the fuck does the colour of someones skin have to do with what they think or say? answer the question the colour of my skin is of no concern to you or anyone else and has absolutely nothing to do with discussing michael jackson if you were wrong, what would you say? if you were right, what would you say? | |
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cdcgold said: more rare pics
Looks like a school pic. So cute!!!!! mj was definetly the cutest boy in that class
i don't know why people are saying he too skinny. he's always been a bag of bones [Edited 6/17/09 12:06pm] That is the real Michael before all that surgery. He was ashamed of his broad nose and darker skin. It was nothing to be ashamed of. He was just fine before the plastic surgery! [Edited 6/17/09 13:14pm] [Edited 6/17/09 13:16pm] The message you are about to hear are not meant for transmission. Should ONLY be accessed in the privacy of your mind. Words are so intense so if you dare to listen.Take off your clothes and meet me between the lines.  | |
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Chic35 said: cdcgold said: more rare pics
Looks like a school pic. So cute!!!!! mj was definetly the cutest boy in that class
i don't know why people are saying he too skinny. he's always been a bag of bones [Edited 6/17/09 12:06pm] That is the real Michael before all that surgery. He was ashamed of his broad nose and darker skin. It was nothing to be ashamed of. He was just fine before the plastic surgery! [Edited 6/17/09 13:14pm] [Edited 6/17/09 13:16pm] funny how he had plastic surgery before he was diagnosed with vitiligo. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: let me ask you a question , are you white?
That quote right that shows a little you know on this subject. I'm not implying that you are stupid because on other topics with music, you are quite knowledgable. But that fact that you say that he sang a few songs and danced a bit really makes me shake my head. The reason why Michael is so famous is because of his talent. Yes, the crazy rumours have taken over when it comes to talking about him now adays but his incredible talent is what made him a megastar. Even with plastic surgery and skin diease, his music/talent was still at the forefront when it came to talking about him...way until the first allegations. And considering that you grew up during this time, you should know. Michael became one of the first cross over artists being one of the black artists on MTV. He opened many doors for black artists as well as Prince did. He was the first one to have dancing in his videos as well as line dancing in his video. He changed the whole game with mtv with his music videos or short films I should say. Every new music video of his was an event. So please, he is not someone who just danced a bit and sang a few songs.
I can remember you made a comment about Jay Leno and how Michael is a joke. He still may be a joke to White America but he is not seen as a joke, still respected and given due credit by the black community and the music industry as a whole. was is the right word. he was, and then he fucked up right up royally, and that's when he lost all respect. sleeping with young boys and saying it's natural to the world in a tv interview. saying his kids were conceived naturally when his wife confirmed they never one slept in the same bed, let along had sex. his idea of natural is different to the rest of the world the fact is simple, he was a pop star and fucked it all up and now he's a joke to the world. he wasn't a human rights activist, he wasn't malcolm x or malcolm luther king, he sang and danced, he might have changed the music business, but that's of small consequence in the overall picture. he got on mtv because of music videos, but a team of people were involved in creating these, he just sang (or mimed) and danced the point is that we are discussing a pop star, and not a civil rights activist or president or politician or someone who's found a cure for a disease. he sold a lot of records, but he didn't change the world, he just sang about it. bob geldof was a pop star and changed the world, michael jackson could have used his money to change the world, but instead he blew it on buying useless crap | |
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unique said: BoOTyLiCioUs said:
That quote right that shows a little you know on this subject. I'm not implying that you are stupid because on other topics with music, you are quite knowledgable. But that fact that you say that he sang a few songs and danced a bit really makes me shake my head. The reason why Michael is so famous is because of his talent. Yes, the crazy rumours have taken over when it comes to talking about him now adays but his incredible talent is what made him a megastar. Even with plastic surgery and skin diease, his music/talent was still at the forefront when it came to talking about him...way until the first allegations. And considering that you grew up during this time, you should know. Michael became one of the first cross over artists being one of the black artists on MTV. He opened many doors for black artists as well as Prince did. He was the first one to have dancing in his videos as well as line dancing in his video. He changed the whole game with mtv with his music videos or short films I should say. Every new music video of his was an event. So please, he is not someone who just danced a bit and sang a few songs.
I can remember you made a comment about Jay Leno and how Michael is a joke. He still may be a joke to White America but he is not seen as a joke, still respected and given due credit by the black community and the music industry as a whole. was is the right word. he was, and then he fucked up right up royally, and that's when he lost all respect. sleeping with young boys and saying it's natural to the world in a tv interview. saying his kids were conceived naturally when his wife confirmed they never one slept in the same bed, let along had sex. his idea of natural is different to the rest of the world the fact is simple, he was a pop star and fucked it all up and now he's a joke to the world. he wasn't a human rights activist, he wasn't malcolm x or malcolm luther king, he sang and danced, he might have changed the music business, but that's of small consequence in the overall picture. he got on mtv because of music videos, but a team of people were involved in creating these, he just sang (or mimed) and danced the point is that we are discussing a pop star, and not a civil rights activist or president or politician or someone who's found a cure for a disease. he sold a lot of records, but he didn't change the world, he just sang about it. bob geldof was a pop star and changed the world, michael jackson could have used his money to change the world, but instead he blew it on buying useless crap he definitely changed the music industry, that's for sure. Michael has given tons of money to various charities and won many awards for it so it's not like he blows all his money on crap. I think that problem with you, Unique when it comes to talking about Michael Jackson...you come in here with this self righteous attitude that everything coming out of your mouth is the gospel truth. A lot of things that you say about him are based on rumours that have basis in tabloids.....and you claim it to by the gospel truth. And I'm NOT talking about posting tabloid articles. As for saying that he is a joke around the world, he may be to white america....but he still widely respected and given due credit by the black community and the music industry as a whole. | |
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for those who have never seen heres a picture of rebbies son austin
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jermaines oldest kids with hazel their the three on the end of both sides ( left 2 , right 1) [Edited 6/17/09 14:39pm] | |
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novabrkr said: unique said:
wtF hello, is it me you're looking for... | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: unique said: was is the right word. he was, and then he fucked up right up royally, and that's when he lost all respect. sleeping with young boys and saying it's natural to the world in a tv interview. saying his kids were conceived naturally when his wife confirmed they never one slept in the same bed, let along had sex. his idea of natural is different to the rest of the world the fact is simple, he was a pop star and fucked it all up and now he's a joke to the world. he wasn't a human rights activist, he wasn't malcolm x or malcolm luther king, he sang and danced, he might have changed the music business, but that's of small consequence in the overall picture. he got on mtv because of music videos, but a team of people were involved in creating these, he just sang (or mimed) and danced the point is that we are discussing a pop star, and not a civil rights activist or president or politician or someone who's found a cure for a disease. he sold a lot of records, but he didn't change the world, he just sang about it. bob geldof was a pop star and changed the world, michael jackson could have used his money to change the world, but instead he blew it on buying useless crap he definitely changed the music industry, that's for sure. Michael has given tons of money to various charities and won many awards for it so it's not like he blows all his money on crap. I think that problem with you, Unique when it comes to talking about Michael Jackson...you come in here with this self righteous attitude that everything coming out of your mouth is the gospel truth. A lot of things that you say about him are based on rumours that have basis in tabloids.....and you claim it to by the gospel truth. And I'm NOT talking about posting tabloid articles. As for saying that he is a joke around the world, he may be to white america....but he still widely respected and given due credit by the black community and the music industry as a whole. i don't even live in america, and to say people have different views dependant on the colour of thier skin is a racist viewpoint as far as i'm concerned. i'm sure there are plenty of people of different colours in america alone that have different views on him i've never once said or suggested anything that the articles are gospel truth or otherwise, you've just interpreted that for yourself. in fact i've mostly posted the articles without personal comment, but what is for certain is that he's far from respected in the music business these days, and hasn't been for a long time. there may be one or two people like will-i-am who respect him, but those aren't people who in turn are respected themselves. the kind of people who publically back him are lunatics and egomaniacs like uri geller and david guest, or akon and KAYNE "CAPSLOCK" WEST the simple fact of the matter is that he is a popstar and not the pope, and he has done little to gain respect these days, but has done a lot to blow it. he's not a great man like thomas jefferson or thomas edison who changed history, he's just a singer and dancer. you have to put things into perspective. many great men did awful things too, but most will be remembered for the great things and the bad things will be forgotten about, but the reverse is truer for MJ at the moment at least, and he only has himself to blame for the situation he is in | |
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cdcgold said: for those who have never seen heres a picture of rebbies son austin
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jermaines oldest kids with hazel their the three on the end of both sides ( left 2 , right 1) [Edited 6/17/09 14:39pm] Austin suppose to been release a album , he was signed to interscope the last I heard | |
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unique said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: he definitely changed the music industry, that's for sure. Michael has given tons of money to various charities and won many awards for it so it's not like he blows all his money on crap. I think that problem with you, Unique when it comes to talking about Michael Jackson...you come in here with this self righteous attitude that everything coming out of your mouth is the gospel truth. A lot of things that you say about him are based on rumours that have basis in tabloids.....and you claim it to by the gospel truth. And I'm NOT talking about posting tabloid articles. As for saying that he is a joke around the world, he may be to white america....but he still widely respected and given due credit by the black community and the music industry as a whole. i don't even live in america, and to say people have different views dependant on the colour of thier skin is a racist viewpoint as far as i'm concerned. i'm sure there are plenty of people of different colours in america alone that have different views on him i've never once said or suggested anything that the articles are gospel truth or otherwise, you've just interpreted that for yourself. in fact i've mostly posted the articles without personal comment, but what is for certain is that he's far from respected in the music business these days, and hasn't been for a long time. there may be one or two people like will-i-am who respect him, but those aren't people who in turn are respected themselves. the kind of people who publically back him are lunatics and egomaniacs like uri geller and david guest, or akon and KAYNE "CAPSLOCK" WEST the simple fact of the matter is that he is a popstar and not the pope, and he has done little to gain respect these days, but has done a lot to blow it. he's not a great man like thomas jefferson or thomas edison who changed history, he's just a singer and dancer. you have to put things into perspective. many great men did awful things too, but most will be remembered for the great things and the bad things will be forgotten about, but the reverse is truer for MJ at the moment at least, and he only has himself to blame for the situation he is in wow this posts just shows how little you know. Michael is respected by many in the music industry not just will i am etc. etc. Please come correct next time. | |
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unique said: it looks like stevie wonder dressed him in the dark after drinking absinthe lol, strangely I was thinking the same thing. Now back to my bottle of absinthe, it's all mine, back off! Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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midnightmover said: This is illogical. If he's trying to be a perfectionist, then why why would he sing anything live at all? Why on the Bad Tour did he only mime two songs? If perfectionism was the goal, then why only make two songs "perfect"? And you are still clinging to the discredited idea that he only mimes because he's dancing. You said... "Personally I don't agree with the whole lipsynching thing. And would rather have Michael sing and stand still than bother about elaborate dance routines." But there are no dance routines in "Heal The World" and "You Are Not Alone" yet he mimes them. By contrast, there's a lot of dancing in "Wanna Be Starting Something", yet he sings that live. Surely you can see that these facts DEMOLISH your theory about him miming because of heavy dancing. You're also ignoring the fact that MIchael's live vocals have declined over the years. Each tour he sounded worse and each tour had more miming. Is it just a coincidence that the increase in miming coincided with a decrease in the quality of his live vocals? Please think. [Edited 6/17/09 10:31am] Actually, I think you missed some points of my post, so let me re-iterate. I was agreeing with you that there has been increased lipsynching. I was just offering a different point of view, something that is key to debate. For you to dismiss outright and call it illogical is actually disrespectful. So to continue the debate... In the concerts I have personally seen including the 2 shows in the BAD tour (which for my shows at the beginning of the leg were 100% live) and the 3 shows in the History tour (which for my shows were about 40% live / 60% lipsynched). Now this doesn't mean that the ratio didn't increase or decrease as the tour progressed, as others can attest to this. I'm just establishing my own terms of reference. First off, if you read my post I said initially I think the lipsynching was due to the dance routines, but that Michael became more reliant on them as tours progressed due to a perfectionist streak. I was not saying he only uses them for dance numbers now days. Of course, the counter argument of his voice being shot is also mute as, as you have pointed out repeatedly, he does sing some portions of the show live, and from the shows I saw his vocal ability was still there, the guy could still sing. Have Michael's vocals deteriorated over the years, I think the answer is yes somewhat (and this is true with most artists), but to the extent to which you are saying it is shot and he can't sing, I don't agree. Unfortunately unless Michael sings the upcoming shows 100% live (which I think we all agree won't be the case), we won't really be able to resolve the whole issue to complete satisfaction. I think the truth of why he lipsynchs is probably a mix of both points of view, a lessening in his voice, and his desire (and pressure) to give a perfect show each time. I respect your point of view on this, and if I don't agree 100% I still respect that it is a considered argument. Maybe it's a matter of agree to disagree. Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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Seeing Jackson now is like seeing fat Elvis. BUT, like when Elvis was fat, Mike still has loads of fans and I woulda still loved to of seen him. Prefer new music mind, and definately something more eccentric like "little suzie" or slushy like "childhood", as I know its those songs Mike really loves to do, but even modern rnb songs I'd be cool with. Just anything new!
Mike, your legacy is secured man, just release something LOL. | |
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midnightmover said: seeingvoices12 said: The fact that you admit that Madonna can't sing throw your ridiculous debate out of window, your continuous attempts to convince people that Mj mimes because he lost his voice will always end up in failure, people still want to see MJ no matter what you say, i know this is a bitter pill you have to swallow, but you know why people still want to see him? because everyone on this freaking planet knows that Mj is a capable singer, a child prodigy, he doesn't need to sing live for you to prove to you that he is a capable singer, he did that already when he was at his peak, we already know he can sing, as of now , while you are at it still convincing people he lost his voice, go get of cyndi lauper flop albums from the garbage can and take a listen, or go to create another Cyndi lauper flop thread, obviously you dig her so much, waste your time on her. This post basically says it all. The sad thing is you will never know how laughable posts like this are.
Ridiculous Irrelevant response, or you didn’t know what or how to respond ?  I didn’t know that you are god who knows everything and always right and everyone else is wrong , I think you should go with the advice I posted in the last of my previous point, waste your time on positive things please.MICHAEL JACKSON
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Unique said: remember this, michael jackson was a child star, he could sing and dance pretty good for a kid, he got lucky and and got big with thriller, and then fucked up real bad and pissed it all away, starting with captain eo, and moonwalker and neverland, and then all his child abuse cases, his plastic surgery, change of skin colour, and financial fuckups. he was a pop star, but hasn't released nothing in a long time, or performed in a long time.
No denying that Michael has lost his way, but to say he got lucky with Thriller undermines his talent, and his understanding of the music business. And a lot of fans think his work post Thriller is his most valuable - but like any music its always going to be up for debate. If you map his success he certainly hit the heights with Thriller (but it's not like he came from no where) and the follow up albums of Bad and Dangerous certainly sold their fair share. Yes there has been a decline in sales post Dangerous, but they are still figures any modern artist would love to have. Like I said there is no denying Michael has made many a miss step in his career, but hopefully the O2 residency will help put the focus back on where the attention should be and that is in his music. he isn't Gandhi or JFK or even obama. he's not someone who is involved in a serious business or has done something worthy for the planet or humanity, he just sang a few songs and danced a bit, and did a bunch of weird shit that attracted a lot of celebrity gossip. if it wasn't for the weird stories and his child abuse cases he would have faded away like marvin gaye, al green, stevie wonder, etc, people who were great, but the kids these days wouldn't know who they were. these stories are what keeps his memory alive, in an ironic fucked up way. you kill the stories and you kill his memory. he wouldn't have sold so many tickets to the o2 if it wasn't for these stories.
Again there is no denying that Michael has contributed tens of millions to needy charities, and has done work that many would see as worthy for the planet and humanity, for example helping steer the We are the World efforts to raise millions for the crisis in Africa. The people you reference though, Gandhi, JFK, Obama are all great men who dedicated their life to politics so the comparison is a little unfair. Also you can't deny Michael's musical legacy. You yourself did a great post about the full collection of music he has recorded. Tracks that still influence up and coming artists. How is it that albums 30 and 25 years after their release are still sited as influencing a whole slew of modern artists. I disagree that the bizarre stories sold so many tickets to the O2 concerts. If anything the tabloid rumours, child abuse allegations etc have greatly tarnished his reputation and have stopped people listening to his music. With tabloid fame their might be curiosity to book a few shows (a la Britney) but people are buying tickets for an iconic performer, someone with a musical heritage and someone who in the past has wowed audiences with his shows. It's this legacy of hits and performance (similar to Prince's that sold 21 nights) that people are turning up to see. Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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Swa said: Unique said: remember this, michael jackson was a child star, he could sing and dance pretty good for a kid, he got lucky and and got big with thriller, and then fucked up real bad and pissed it all away, starting with captain eo, and moonwalker and neverland, and then all his child abuse cases, his plastic surgery, change of skin colour, and financial fuckups. he was a pop star, but hasn't released nothing in a long time, or performed in a long time.
No denying that Michael has lost his way, but to say he got lucky with Thriller undermines his talent, and his understanding of the music business. And a lot of fans think his work post Thriller is his most valuable - but like any music its always going to be up for debate. If you map his success he certainly hit the heights with Thriller (but it's not like he came from no where) and the follow up albums of Bad and Dangerous certainly sold their fair share. Yes there has been a decline in sales post Dangerous, but they are still figures any modern artist would love to have. Like I said there is no denying Michael has made many a miss step in his career, but hopefully the O2 residency will help put the focus back on where the attention should be and that is in his music. he isn't Gandhi or JFK or even obama. he's not someone who is involved in a serious business or has done something worthy for the planet or humanity, he just sang a few songs and danced a bit, and did a bunch of weird shit that attracted a lot of celebrity gossip. if it wasn't for the weird stories and his child abuse cases he would have faded away like marvin gaye, al green, stevie wonder, etc, people who were great, but the kids these days wouldn't know who they were. these stories are what keeps his memory alive, in an ironic fucked up way. you kill the stories and you kill his memory. he wouldn't have sold so many tickets to the o2 if it wasn't for these stories.
Again there is no denying that Michael has contributed tens of millions to needy charities, and has done work that many would see as worthy for the planet and humanity, for example helping steer the We are the World efforts to raise millions for the crisis in Africa. The people you reference though, Gandhi, JFK, Obama are all great men who dedicated their life to politics so the comparison is a little unfair. Also you can't deny Michael's musical legacy. You yourself did a great post about the full collection of music he has recorded. Tracks that still influence up and coming artists. How is it that albums 30 and 25 years after their release are still sited as influencing a whole slew of modern artists. I disagree that the bizarre stories sold so many tickets to the O2 concerts. If anything the tabloid rumours, child abuse allegations etc have greatly tarnished his reputation and have stopped people listening to his music. With tabloid fame their might be curiosity to book a few shows (a la Britney) but people are buying tickets for an iconic performer, someone with a musical heritage and someone who in the past has wowed audiences with his shows. It's this legacy of hits and performance (similar to Prince's that sold 21 nights) that people are turning up to see. Swa  [Edited 6/17/09 20:08pm] | |
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MJ's performance of Ben on the Triumph Tour is amazing.
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thesexofit said: Seeing Jackson now is like seeing fat Elvis. BUT, like when Elvis was fat, Mike still has loads of fans and I woulda still loved to of seen him. Prefer new music mind, and definately something more eccentric like "little suzie" or slushy like "childhood", as I know its those songs Mike really loves to do, but even modern rnb songs I'd be cool with. Just anything new!
Mike, your legacy is secured man, just release something LOL. i've compared MJ to elvis in the same way before, seeing fat elvis or MJ now is something that many people would do whether they liked them for thier work. personally i think some of the fat elvis shows were great fun, he was out of his face on drugs the entire time, but he had a good band backing him and had a good catalogue to work from, including many cover versions, and because he just appeared on stage and sang the songs without any overblown stage productions it was a great experience. it's a shame MJ doesn't do something like that, instead of something more like a theatrical show. even if his voice isn't the same as before, it would be far better to see him stand and sing instead of dance and mime. he's done all that before, so time for something new and with the times | |
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Swa said: Unique said: remember this, michael jackson was a child star, he could sing and dance pretty good for a kid, he got lucky and and got big with thriller, and then fucked up real bad and pissed it all away, starting with captain eo, and moonwalker and neverland, and then all his child abuse cases, his plastic surgery, change of skin colour, and financial fuckups. he was a pop star, but hasn't released nothing in a long time, or performed in a long time.
No denying that Michael has lost his way, but to say he got lucky with Thriller undermines his talent, and his understanding of the music business. And a lot of fans think his work post Thriller is his most valuable - but like any music its always going to be up for debate. If you map his success he certainly hit the heights with Thriller (but it's not like he came from no where) and the follow up albums of Bad and Dangerous certainly sold their fair share. Yes there has been a decline in sales post Dangerous, but they are still figures any modern artist would love to have. Like I said there is no denying Michael has made many a miss step in his career, but hopefully the O2 residency will help put the focus back on where the attention should be and that is in his music. he isn't Gandhi or JFK or even obama. he's not someone who is involved in a serious business or has done something worthy for the planet or humanity, he just sang a few songs and danced a bit, and did a bunch of weird shit that attracted a lot of celebrity gossip. if it wasn't for the weird stories and his child abuse cases he would have faded away like marvin gaye, al green, stevie wonder, etc, people who were great, but the kids these days wouldn't know who they were. these stories are what keeps his memory alive, in an ironic fucked up way. you kill the stories and you kill his memory. he wouldn't have sold so many tickets to the o2 if it wasn't for these stories.
Again there is no denying that Michael has contributed tens of millions to needy charities, and has done work that many would see as worthy for the planet and humanity, for example helping steer the We are the World efforts to raise millions for the crisis in Africa. The people you reference though, Gandhi, JFK, Obama are all great men who dedicated their life to politics so the comparison is a little unfair. Also you can't deny Michael's musical legacy. You yourself did a great post about the full collection of music he has recorded. Tracks that still influence up and coming artists. How is it that albums 30 and 25 years after their release are still sited as influencing a whole slew of modern artists. I disagree that the bizarre stories sold so many tickets to the O2 concerts. If anything the tabloid rumours, child abuse allegations etc have greatly tarnished his reputation and have stopped people listening to his music. With tabloid fame their might be curiosity to book a few shows (a la Britney) but people are buying tickets for an iconic performer, someone with a musical heritage and someone who in the past has wowed audiences with his shows. It's this legacy of hits and performance (similar to Prince's that sold 21 nights) that people are turning up to see. Swa when i say he got lucky with his fame, i don't mean his fame was the result of luck, i mean he was lucky he became so famous. there are plenty of talented people who don't make it big, talent is only part of the fame process. take rapheal saddiq for example, great artist but most people wouldn't know who he was. likewise common, it took a long time for him to get commercial recognition and the comparisons to the politicians were to highlight my point in that we are talking about a pop star, so we have to keep things in perspective. the media circus surrounding him is only reserved for people of a certain nature. at the moment it's the lindsay lohans of the world that get all the stories, those who just get on with things without scandals don't get many column inches regarding the o2 shows, yes he has the musical legacy, but so do many other artists, such as stevie wonder, but he couldn't sell umpteen nights at the o2 even if his catalogue is at least as good as MJ's. having the catalogue is only part of it, it's the hype and hoopla created by the bizarre stories that kept his name in the publics minds and helped sell tickets. look at susan boyle, hyped by the media and an overnight success, paris hilton wasn't well known until her sex tape, same with kim k, a "bad" story isn't as bad as some might think. no news is bad news in showbusiness, the only bad thing is not being talked about | |
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JackieBlue said: dag said: That is like one of the worst outfits ever. While the hair and shades are OK, the rest is terrible.How can you see the hair? I thin I see a few strands on the right.It´s not a wig so it is OK. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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